Category talk:City quarters
Hi,
I'm wondering whether it might not be better to rename this category "City neighbourhoods" (or "City neighborhoods"), as the word "quarter" is rarely used in English (British or American) to describe what the French, Italians and Germans call "quartiers", "quartiere" and "Stadtvierteln" respectively.
In the UK, the terms "area" or "suburb" (for outlying areas) are often used (or sometimes "district", but this term is open to confusion with administrative districts), while "neighborhood" is almost universally used in the US.
The term "quarter", on the other hand, is used only in the names of certain historic neighbourhoods in the centre of cities (e.g. the Northern Quarter of Manchester, the Jewellery Quarter of Birmingham (UK), the French Quarter of New Orleans).
Furthermore, in Wikipedia, the terms "area" (UK) and "neighborhood" (US) are used in articles about communities within cities (never "quarters").
What do you think?
--Karldupart (talk) 12:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
@Karldupart: Thank you for your explanation and opinion. We have category trees
- Category:City quarters
- Category:City districts
- Category:Boroughs
- Category:Neighborhoods
- Category:Suburbs
They are used also other terms in subcategories, as "city parts", "municipal parts" etc. In some coutries, the word "district" is paralelly used for more different meanings (e.g. for Czechia it is used for "okres" as well as for "Stadtvierteln" in some cities).
Maybe, come countries can feel some of the terms as specific, but other countries (especially non-English speaking) use the terms and categories arbitrary, accidentally, chaotically. Can we define a universal hiearchy of the terms, or even merge some of the category trees as duplicate or redundant to make the categorization structure more clear? How to apply them to plenty of various countries around the world? --ŠJů (talk) 03:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- Strong Disagree: large citeis make a distrinction between districts and quarters, the former being composed of the later (which themselves have neighborhoods). E.g. in France: Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Rennes. There are lot of examples in other large/dense cities all around the world where these cannot be merged. Don't assume thing for your single country: it's possible that for your living region there's no difference. But look at most capital cities aroudn the world, they have a more complex organization.
- Otherwise make sure that each country is sorted coherently: City districts are generally larger than City quarters, themselves containing Neighborhoods. As well City districts (Arrondissements municipaux in French) may at the same time part of a Borough (not necessarily municipal in Alaska) or Suburb or Sector (in Marseille) or "District" (e.g. in Germany and France, "Arrondissements départementaux" in French). In London some Boroughs are subdivided into "Metropolitan boroughs"!
- It's almost impossible to merge these without creating confusion or errors. Each country has its own specificities. verdy_p (talk) 16:38, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Karldupart, Verdy p, and ŠJů: it is a massive topic. Probably enwiki has discussed it thoroughly. Category tree is here: en:Category:Types of country subdivisions--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Estopedist1: Themightyquill opened a discussion in February 2019, please discuss there. en:Category:Types of country subdivisions is simply a category page, not an analysis. I'm not sure the categorization structure for city division at en-wiki is well thought out and sophisticated. I would rather say that it is also a coincidental result of natural development. If you think that someone has solved the problems we are solving here in the discussion there, then try to briefly reproduce the key problems and conclusions of the discussion there in the discussion here. We can judge whether this is as applicable to the Commons as it is to the English Wikipedia. --ŠJů (talk) 08:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Verdy p: You are absolutely right that "each country has its own specificities". That's why I proposed to merge or simplify the root category tree, because many local systems and types of division units are not fully compatible and comparable with each other. It is difficult to clearly identify the 5 terms listed above with the specific levels of division used by specific cities. E.g. "suburb" can be a city or town affiliated to an agglomeration, as well as an integral city part outside the historical (medieval) city center, and its formal status can be various. --ŠJů (talk) 08:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- discussion about city quarters takes place there: Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/02/Category:City quarters--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Verdy p: You are absolutely right that "each country has its own specificities". That's why I proposed to merge or simplify the root category tree, because many local systems and types of division units are not fully compatible and comparable with each other. It is difficult to clearly identify the 5 terms listed above with the specific levels of division used by specific cities. E.g. "suburb" can be a city or town affiliated to an agglomeration, as well as an integral city part outside the historical (medieval) city center, and its formal status can be various. --ŠJů (talk) 08:05, 22 June 2020 (UTC)