Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives December 13 2019

Consensual review edit

File:Île_de_Gorée_-_Sélégal.JPG edit

 

  • Nomination Vue de l'île de Gorée au Sénégal --Fawaz.tairou 12:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •   Support Good quality. --Kritzolina 14:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose I disagree. The picture looks out of focus to me. --Imehling 15:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose - yes, and noisy. -- Ikan Kekek 07:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Like Imheling and Ikan Kekek. --Steindy 14:51, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose →   Declined   --Peulle 07:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

File:Pierre_Billaux.jpg edit

 

  • Nomination Portrait of Pierre Billaux, member of the French Resistance --Kvardek du 16:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •   Question Is User:Gary.B.RZ author and uploader or only uploader of the image? --Poco a poco 17:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Both. It's an argentic photograph from 1988, that he scanned himself. --Kvardek du 23:23, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
    null --Kvardek du 23:23, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment - That seems like very poor quality for 1988. Is there something that I'm missing? Are argentic photographs particularly full of what presents as large noise? -- Ikan Kekek 07:39, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Grain could have been meant as a design element then. But the "scan" added digital artifacts and is of very low quality. Impressive portrait, but by no means a QI. I'd suggest VIC. --Smial 08:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Poor quality. --Steindy 23:30, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Total: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose →   Declined   --Peulle 07:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

File:Wawel_-_Sigismund_Bell.jpg edit

 

  • Nomination Krakow Wawel - Sigismund Bell --Imehling 13:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •   Oppose Insufficient quality: too much of the bell is too soft, imo. --Peulle 14:17, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak   Support. @Imehling: I think the image can be improved. For me it is a bit too bright and the contrast should be better. -- Spurzem 20:27, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Per Peulle. Also unsufficiant lighting. I don't know how to fix hard shadows, reflections etc. caused by direct flash. --Smial 12:52, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I've uploaded a new version. Maybe it's better now. --Imehling 13:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 2 oppose →   Declined   --Peulle 07:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

File:Thurner_RS_(2015-09-12_3745_Sp_r).JPG edit

 

  • Nomination Thurner RS based on NSU 1200 C. 121 of these cars were built between 1969 and 1974. -- Spurzem 17:38, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Decline
      Oppose Sorry, not sharp enough for QI --MB-one 19:06, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
    @MB-one: So what is called "return coach". Right? I would like to hear other opinions. -- Spurzem 20:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
It took me a while to figure that one out. Kudos for the pun. But jokes aside, I urge you to refrain from these kind of allegation in the future. I assess QI candidates on technical merits alone and not based on my personal relation to the nominator. Thank you --MB-one 10:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose per MB-one. -- Ikan Kekek 06:36, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
@Ikan Kekek: About your reviews, I can only wonder. Do you permit me to regard them as ridiculous? Photographically unsuccessful pictures are good in your eyes, good pictures are bad. -- Spurzem 08:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Is it up to me to permit you to have a differing opinion, or are you asking my permission for you to be rude and dismissive? -- Ikan Kekek 11:57, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
It's amazing what kind of competence someone suggests, who does not contribute pictures himself.   Support Given the circumstances, a higher sharpness would have been possible only with increased noise, both has advantages and disadvantages. It simply was not better possible. --Ralf Roletschek 14:37, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
So a viewer should shut up here and not participate? Do you really want to make that elitist argument? Do you think when I perform, I can tell my audience that only fellow musicians, nay flutists, have the right to appraise my performance? If your audience is only fellow photographers, I don't think Commons, a repository of photos for anyone to use, is the right place for you. But I suppose your feeling is, you provide the photos for anyone to use, but they should be merely passive viewers. OK then... -- Ikan Kekek 21:54, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Also, two other things: (1) one or more participating photographers usually agrees with my votes; (2) I can be wrong, but there is a corrective: I have but one vote and can be outvoted. And there is at least one person who's voting contrary to other voters routinely in CR, so I'm not sure why a couple of you are so dismissive toward me in particular, but whatever makes you happy. -- Ikan Kekek 23:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
I just wanted to show that under the given circumstances with today's technology it is almost impossible to make this photo better - and that is quality to me. For pictures of concerts, sports and moving objects like here you have to cut corners. A 1.1 monster lens from Leica may do the trick better, but that can not be the benchmark here. --Ralf Roletschek 00:56, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
I appreciate that. But why do two other people agree that this is not a QI? Perhaps because it's not only about what's possible in a given situation but that some situations might not be possible to produce a QI from. I'll again make an analogy. Suppose I choose to perform a piece of music that's too hard for any flutist to perform well. If I perform it as well as I can, is it a good performance? Food for thought. -- Ikan Kekek 03:50, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
I would say yes. You can not achieve excellent results in all situations. But you can deliver good quality. If a piece of music is so difficult that no one can do it perfectly, then you can still play good quality. Sorry, all my threads are Google-Translate, my english is too bad. --Ralf Roletschek 18:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
You replied to a question I didn't ask. I'm entirely uninterested in perfection. I said "Suppose I choose to perform a piece of music that's too hard for any flutist to perform well." -- Ikan Kekek 07:43, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Sorry, Lothar, das entspricht nicht deinem gewohnten hohen Standard. Sieht verwischt aus. Aber schönes Auto. --Smial 18:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
@Smial: Mir soll's recht sein. Aber wie schon gesagt: Es fällt auf, was hier alles an Knipsbildchen hochgejubelt wird – nicht nur Autos und Motorräder –, und wenn auf einem meiner Fotos die kleinste Plakette nicht lesbar ist, dann ist das Bild Sch… Von „verwischt“ kann bei der hier zur Diskussion stehenden Aufnahme keine Rede sein. Wenn es so wäre, hätte ich sie nicht vorgestellt. Dieser Tage wurde ein Bild besprochen, das oben links zu dunkel und unten rechts zu hell war – Ergebnis: ein Qualitätsbild, weil die Tageszeit der Aufnahme und/oder der Raum kein anderes Ergebnis zuließen. Aber ist ja egal: Ich kann mir – wie man so schon sagt – „nichts dafür kaufen“, wenn ein Foto als QI bewertet wird, und umgekehrt macht es auch nichts aus, wenn rot eingerahmt ein Decline da steht. Trotzdem macht das Spiel allmählich keinen Spaß mehr. Viele Grüße -- Spurzem 19:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Das Alternativbild vom selben Auto mit der hochgeklappten Tür ist perfekt scharf, das hier vorgestellte halt nicht. Das Thema hatten wir doch schon, daß hier öfters grottig gestaltete Autobilder promoted werden, aber willst du dir die wirklich als Maßstab nehmen? Du bist für mich hier Maßstab, was die Präsentation von Autos angeht, auch wenn andere vll. die höher auflösende Kamera oder das fünfmal so teure Objektiv haben. Mir liegt nichts ferner, als dich vergraulen zu wollen. Versuch es sportlich zu nehmen ;-) --Smial 23:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Although many of Lothar's automobile pictures are sharper than this one, IMO it's still good enough for QI. --Palauenc05 09:26, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose I don't think this one is sharp enough. 1/125 may not have been a high enough shutter speed for a moving car.--Peulle 20:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
@Peulle: I had missed your rating yet. Thank you for the valuable instruction, how to photograph a moving car; I will keep that in mind. The pictured car however is not moving. -- Spurzem 23:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, if it's not moving, it's definitely not sharp enough. I thought the only possible explanation for this lack of sharpness was movement.--Peulle 09:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak   Support. --Steindy 15:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Total: 3 support (excluding the nominator), 4 oppose →   Declined   --Peulle 07:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)