Commons:Quality images candidates/Archives January 09 2017

Consensual review edit

File:St._Andreas_in_Antlas_Ritten_Innenraum.JPG edit

 

  • Nomination Interior of the Saint Andrew chapel in Antlas --Moroder 21:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •   Oppose There is presence of overexposure and the left border is cropped too tight. I understand that this is a very small chapel and there's not enough space for shooting but IMO the image is not good enough for a QI, sorry. --Basotxerri 16:35, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Comment I disagree --Moroder 23:16, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Comment - That's a beautiful chapel! I find the uppermost crop strange, as we see the node of the beam (I don't know the technical terms) but not the end of the beam itself. That said, I don't find any of the crops disabling, but there are two places with overexposure that I'd like you to work on: (1) the hymnal near the lower right corner, whose left side is blown and posterized, and the view through the window. You might want to recrop slightly on the top edge of the picture frame, too. Anyway, if you make the edits, this has a real chance of being a relatively uncontroversial QI, I think. -- Ikan Kekek 23:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
    Thanks for your comments. The crop depends very much on the space inside the chapel and the kind of lense used. Surely it is not perfect and I understand that you'd prefer to see the whole arch but imo it's not unesthetical. I did my best to correct overexposure, otherwise it would have been necessary to use HDR but y believe very sophisticated techniques go beyond the scope of QI and imo the overexposed spots are irrelevant to the whole of the picture.--Moroder 11:35, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I don't think I agree with you. Anything that distracts the viewer is a legitimate point for discussion, and if the distraction is significant enough, it could be a justification for a "decline" vote. How significant is significant enough is a subjective reaction on the part of each viewer. -- Ikan Kekek 13:58, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Total: 0 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose →   Declined   --Peulle 14:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

File:Saint petersbourg, cimetière de Tikhvin Tombe de Moussorgski.jpg edit

 

  • Nomination Tombe de Moussorgski dans le cimetière de Tikhvin à Saint-Petersbourg.--PIERRE ANDRE LECLERCQ 11:15, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Decline
  •   Support Good quality.--Scotch Mist 11:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Sorry, I disagree. Missing sharpness. --A.Savin 18:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Oppose - This file's size is over 13 MP, so it might make sense to allow some latitude here, except for the fact that since Mussorgsky was a composer, it is essential to be able to see and read the music notation clearly. That I cannot do, so I agree with A.Savin and oppose. -- Ikan Kekek 07:32, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Oppose per A.Savin: missing sharpness. --Sandro Halank (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  • That doesn't help me see the music, so no change in my votes (here or in VIC). -- Ikan Kekek 14:00, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Total: 1 support (excluding the nominator), 3 oppose →   Declined   --Peulle 14:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

File:Zaleszany_Cemetery_11.jpg edit

 

  • Nomination Dominik Horodyński Plaque at Horodyński Family Chapel in the cemetery in Zaleszany, southeastern Poland --Scotch Mist 07:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Promotion
  •   Oppose Blurred letters. --A.Savin 15:54, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment Thank you for your review - the lettering of this plaque is engraved in granite in-laid with gold-coloured paint and when viewed at full size on screen is probably more than double the size of the actual lettering so may appear slightly blurred, but for reference the edges of the plaque do not appear to me to be blurred so I propose sending this for consensual review (although admittedly my record here is not great!:) --Scotch Mist 17:39, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
  •   Support Good enough for a quality image. -- Johann Jaritz 04:50, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Although I have no idea why, the letters do actually appear out of focus to me. For such an easy-to-shoot subject, I think they shold be sharper.--Peulle 20:23, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Support It appears to me good quality image and it doesn't seem to be blurry to me. Adamdaley 13:39, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Comment New Version --Livioandronico2013 20:16, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
    •   Comment Thank you for sharpening this image - do you think it is possible for 'amateurs' such as myself to efficiently achieve such results without investing in software like the latest version of Photoshop (I currently use GIMP & RawTherapee for any perspective correction or de-noising required but my attempts at sharpening have not been great to say the least) and perhaps spending many hours attempting to achieve such results? --Scotch Mist 09:25, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Neutral now --A.Savin 07:08, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
    •   Comment Scotch Mist ... To answer your question concerning such photography software it is upto the individual. I cannot afford the outright cost of Photoshop some AU$1,000+ cost of it, which was roughly the price then. Since Christmas 2016, I'm on a monthly plan of about AU$14 per month and I get the full program of Photoshop (2017) and Lightroom (2015). That is all I can afford and I hope to do a Photoshop course later this year. Adamdaley 10:00, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
    •   Comment Adamdaley ... Thanks for your feedback - don't know of any such 'deals' here at the moment but looks good and allied with the training will no doubt produce positive results that I look forward to seeing as well as to providing evidence to support a similar investment! --Scotch Mist 12:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
      •   Comment Scotch Mist ... Keep an opened mind and a look out for such deals. Whether online, in newspapers or other forms of advertising from your local stores. Even from friends or friends of friends. Maybe ask your friends to keep an eye out for you? Because the more people that know about you looking to improve your photography programs the better chance you may get a program or two. Adamdaley 20:52, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
        •   Comment You need to marry a teacher to get a good price on Photoshop. Charlesjsharp 11:16, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
        •   Comment Honestly, guys, I think it would be cheaper to just buy a tripod. :D--Peulle 20:36, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
          •   Comment Funny thing is, I have a tripod and my "ship" image still came out fuzzy, a little. Adamdaley 20:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Support QI for me--Ermell 07:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Support Maybee we should find some other way to deal with pixelpeepers than wasting our money for expensive software or wasting our time with resharpening --Moroder 12:02, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   meta comment I think there are two issues here. The first is what should in our collective judgment constitute an image of quality? To make an analogy, when trying to achieve a performance of quality on the flute, the skill of the performer is undoubtedly the most important factor, as long as his/her flute is at least playable (no-one can rescue a flute that has leaks from here to eternity). But to achieve a high level of performance, you do normally have to pay some money for a good flute and also for periodic maintenance. $1,000 is a lot of money, but for a flutist, let alone for a pianist or violinist, it actually is not. $1,000 (maybe around $900-1,500 or so) is probably not too far from the minimum necessary to buy a very good (probably not great) student flute in the U.S. today, though it is also possible to rent one and thereby gradually pay for an eventual purchase. There have been efforts to help provide funds for one great photographer, so that he can get better equipment. I think that having a more organized fund for talented photographers who need help to procure excellent equipment and software would be a great thing for Wikimedia to do, even though I am not in a position to contribute at this time.
  • The second issue is what to do about "pixel-peepers". Digital photography enables people to pixel-peep, and I think we can expect this to continue to be an issue, analogous to what musicians have been dealing with for decades, since the beginning of analog splicing enabled the creation of sound recordings of inhuman perfection, with unreasonable audience expectations to match. In the last couple of decades, this has helped lead to a most unmusical result, the prevalence of auto-tuning and other much grosser digital falsifications of in-studio performance than splicing. I would suggest that the best way to deal with excessive attention to minute details in huge files is through efforts at patient dialogue and education. What and how many allowances should be made for imperfections in what size of digital photo is definitely not self-explanatory, especially since so much of evaluation is subjective. It might be useful to have a discussion board on this site that specifically addresses this question (I'm struggling for a name - maybe something like Standards of Evaluation, with a description that it is a board for meta discussion, not a policy board?), perhaps with reference to files uploaded with free licenses by non-Wikimedians, in an effort to try to avoid any kind of personal recrimination. -- Ikan Kekek 14:33, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  •   Comment Ikan Kekek ... I agree with you. I have to say that I am relatively new here. There is more to add about "meta data", not only to registered but to unregistered users on Wikimedia Commons. Which of course if there was a dedicated page for discussion on "meta data" then I would certainly be active on that page. Adamdaley (talk) 22:27, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • For the record, I haven't been reviewing at QIC for that long, either. -- Ikan Kekek 03:47, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Total: 4 support (excluding the nominator), 1 oppose →   Promoted   --Peulle 14:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)