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Commons:Valued image candidates/Notre-Dame de Paris, South view 20140131 1.jpg

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Notre-Dame de Paris, South view 20140131 1.jpg

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Image  
Nominated by Martinvl (talk) on 2015-12-12 13:41 (UTC)
Scope Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope:
Notre-Dame de Paris from the South-East
Used in Global usage
Reason A few weeks ago I organised an MVR run-off between this and a number of other images of Notre Dame (I had no connection with any of the photographers). Nobody bothered to vote. I have now chosen this image that I believe to be the best from the point of view of a VI and am re-submitting it as a VI. I have chosen this image because the trees are bare and therefore hide fewer details of the cathedral. -- Martinvl (talk)
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  Question@Archaeodontosaurus: I do not see any such statement on Commons:Valued image scope stating that the scope must like to a catagory that contains the image. If you read that page, you will see "You are encouraged to add relevant links in the scope ... Only the most specific part of the scope should be linked". In this case, the most specific part is "Notre-Dame de Paris". The section goes on to specifiy a hierarchy that should be searched. The hierarchy is:
  • Commons gallery;
  • Commons category;
  • Article on the English Wikipedia;
  • Article on another Wikipedia;
  • Don't link
In this case I linked to the Commons Gallery. At least one of the categories is descended from this gallery. Martinvl (talk) 22:02, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment Must connect the scope to the category that contains the image. Because: is useful, and it is a courtesy to the one to look for. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 05:55, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment@Archaeodontosaurus: A courtesy to who? If the user knows exactly what he is looking for, he will go straight to the relevant category. If he does not know exactly what he is looking for, then he will look for a picture that contains a VI. As an example, why did this writer choose the picture that she used? I suspect that she went to Category:SI units, pressed the "Good images" icon and selected and chose one of the images that came up.
The only question to be asked is: why all the competitors follow this recommendation and why you do not follow. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:08, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Archaeodontosaurus: It appears to me that ignoring the rules in the VI project has become a cancer. If you read this posting, you will see that others who have similar misgivings about the VI project have just stopped participating. Please also read The Emperor's New Clothes or if you prefer Les Habits neufs de l'empereur and ask yourself why nobody else is willing to speak out. Martinvl (talk) 07:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the rules say you should put gallery before category, but I also agree that it is much more helpful to link to the category, because the guidance is that every image should be categorised - there is no emphasis put on galleries. I personally do not put my images in the galleries and I'm not sure why we have both categories and galleries. It seems a wasteful and time-consuming duplication. So I have opened a discussion on the talk page. Charles (talk) 11:38, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Here the problem here is not the gallery, but the scope is wrong. The scope should point to the category that contains the image, not a generic category. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 14:59, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Martinvl:
  1. I think you are confusing Galleries and Categories. You linked your scope to category:Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris, which is a category, not a gallery as you claim - this is a gallery: Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris,
  2. I agree with Archaeodontosaurus that if you link to a category (as you did) that it should be to one as specific as possible, and not to the most general possible (as you did above). Doing so makes reviewing easier as you don't need to trawl through layers and layers of sub-categories.
  3. Which VI rule do you think has been ignored?
DeFacto (talk). 19:09, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Result: 1 support, 1 oppose =>
undecided. --Medium69 You wanted talk to me? 14:28, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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