Funny logic. Yeah maybe there were no Manchu people lived there before, but other ethnic groups. However, why it cannot be called Outer Manchuria? There were no Russian people lived in Siberia before, why it is also now called Russia?
Manchuria is a word coined by the West for Northeast China anyway. Sakhalin was a part of Qing Empire. Qing didn't lose it officially, until lost the Second Opium War to France and Britain, then Russia forced Qing to cede a part of Northeast China at the same time. Plus, FYI, the name Sakharin is from Manchu language "sahaliyan ula angga hada". User:Wwbread (Open Your Mouth?) 18:46, 9 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
It seems like sir you didn't read my messages above while repeating your twisted definitions of geography and ethnic groups. There are Manchu lived in Beijing, so Beijing is Manchuria? Many places in Manchuria has no Manchu, it shouldn't be called Manchuria? Manchuria geographically is a part of China, although Manchu originally lived in Northeast China geographically. Sakhalin is the same, we call it Northeast China, or Manchuria in English. I hope this is clear. User:Wwbread (Open Your Mouth?) 11:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
In my personal assessment and based on this 1960 map, it seems that the northern boundary of the Outer Manchuria concept is not really correct in the Manchuria.png map. Further, it seems implied that Sakhalin is not part of the issue here, but I don't know enough about this aspect of the issue. More authoritative maps and more sources should be pooled together so that a more objective and useful map can be generated. Parallel to File:Outerne.png. Geographyinitiative (talk) 11:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
This map of 1820 Qing shows Sakhalin in Qing, with a note that it was 'claimed but not explored'. I don't know how this affects the claim that the island is or is not part of this geographical unit. Also, as with the other maps, the northern boundary is much more clear than Manchuria.png 1st mapGeographyinitiative (talk) 13:11, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
This second map of the Qing situation in 1820 doesn't include Sakhalin 2nd map 14:18, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
On the Sakhalin page, there is an article called 被俄国吞并之前，清朝在外东北和库页岛是如何管辖的？, which seems to be imply Wai Dongbei and Kuye Island need to be listed separately because they not overlapping. Whether or not Sakhalin was part of the Chinese Empire at any point, we should be clear about whether it has formed a part of Wai Dongbei or Outer Manchuria concepts. Geographyinitiative (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Geographyinitiative: Urup is not claimed by Japan, so that connecting line should be removed. I rv'd to the 2005 version because of that, but it's not as clean/legible as the more recent versions.
As for Sakhalin, AFAICT China has recently changed its name on its maps, suggesting that they see it as part of their claim. But they also named places in Zabaykalskiy, which it would appear lie outside the boundaries of the Qing in your "1st map", so I don't know what the implications are. Kwamikagami (talk) 09:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
