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,אם ישנו צורך בדברים נוספים אנא הודיעי לי בר Barco123 (talk)

הוספתי את האישור. להבא אני מבקשת כשאתה מעלה תמונה שלא אתה יצרת, אז אל תכתוב שאתה בעל זכויות היוצרים. תעבור על הקבצים ותראה את התיקונים שהכנסתי. Hanay (talk)

OTRS permissions

Hi, I see you brought me to the 'user problems' notice board without notifying me. That's not good practice. Anyway, I noticed that you, as a self proclaimed 'experienced OTRS volunteer', are accepting permissions from the depicted person, even mentioning them to be the author, where the real author and copyright holder of course is the photographer. I will be away for the next few weeks. Please resolve those cases in the meantime. Jcb (talk) 23:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello @Jcb: I pinged you in the notice board the same as I ping you now. why do you say that I did not notified you?
There an OTRS permission that came directly from Dudi Hasson. If you look carefuly you can see -> From: Dudi Hasson [mailto:dudihasson@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:57 AM To: Perry Kafri Subject: Re: FW: Yael wiki picture permission.
I am sorry that I have to go to the 'notice board'. But I felt that there is no way I can convince you to re open the DR. Hanay (talk) 04:52, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


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Thank @Hedwig in Washington: Hanay (talk) 09:30, 31 July

Talk page

Hi,

Since your talk page was vandalised a couple of times by dynamic IP-adresses I decided to semi protect your talk page for a short time. If you disagree please let me know.

Regards,

Natuur12 (talk) 18:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

And now I also protected your userpage. If you want me to undo this pretection please let me know. Natuur12 (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi @Natuur12: Thank you for protecting my pages. I know who is doing it. This is someone that was declared as a troll in He:wiki. she can not edit in any wikimedia project. She did it also in meta here She did the same to User:Matanya. I think it would be better if you can extend the protection for a week. Thank you again. Hanay (talk)
I changed the duration of the protection to 1 week. Thanks for the info. Natuur12 (talk) 14:28, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello Hanay

I am in Israel. Thank you for teaching me how to upload my photography to Commons.--Dani Lavi 0007 (talk) 04:58, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Dani, I hope you will enjoy to be here and I hope to see many of your wonderful pictures. Face-smile.svg Hanay (talk) 17:52, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Ein Gedi questions

Hello Hanay, user Talmoryair send me to you. Maybe you can help me with these questions about "nature reserve/national park/antiquities national park/nature park/or possible other protected areas" at Ein Gedi?

The background why i'm asking is that i'm sorting Commons images of (nature) protection areas of many countries. So i do not need to know many details, only the basics :) But with hewiki articles I'm completely lost (language barrier).

Additionally to the questions on Talmoryair's talk page: How are the different Ein Gedi protected sites actually named? (i think especially enwiki has things/terms often messed up, so they might be wrong) Is maybe one site part of the other (like the nature reserve part of the national park), or are they at different locations? And is the "Ein Gedi antiquities national park" as named on enwiki (an archaeological site?) the same as the "Ein Gedi national park" (nature conservation site)? Holger1959 (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Holger1959, What we have is: "Ein Gedi national park". This park include also "Antique National Park Ein Gedi". Part of the park are several archaeologicl sits:
  1. The ancient synagogue at Ein Gedi
  2. Chalcolithic Temple of Ein Gedi
  3. Tel Goren
You can read in english En Gedi Nature Reserve and National Park at the site of "Israel Nature and Parks Authority". I hope that I helped you. Hanay (talk) 18:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
thank you very much! now it is more clear. Holger1959 (talk) 18:26, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
You welcome. Hanay (talk) 18:57, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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Jcb (talk) 16:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

What I have to say about this unnecessary deletion request I wrot in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ofra Strauss.jpg. Hanay (talk) 05:48, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

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Jcb (talk) 20:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

What I have to say about this unnecessary deletion request I wrot in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ory Slonim.JPG. Hanay (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

אני מניח שפיספסת

את זה, זה, וזה. Eitan96 (talk) 14:06, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

בהחלט פספסתי, תודה על ההפניות. Hanay (talk) 16:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Category:Kikar HaSefer

Hi Hanay,

I cant find anything about that. Can you help her. Geagea (talk) 22:01, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Geagea, the name of the square is Kikar Sefer not Hasefer see here. I looked and I did not find any pictures of the square itself. I should take some pictures. Hanay (talk) 01:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Fixed it. Thanks. Geagea (talk) 01:28, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Districts of Haifa

Good morning!

I made the template {{Districts of Haifa}} according to the article in the he.wiki. It not changes nothing in wikipedia. Can you check if it is o.k. or maybe there are corrections. Geagea (talk) 02:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

משמר הירדן

היי, נדמה לי שCategory:Mishmar Hayarden, Moshav היא כפילות של Category:Mishmar HaYarden (Moshav). אם אכן כך אז אחרי האיחוד צריך לבדוק שגם Category:Mishmar HaYarden מעודכן. Neukoln (talk) 19:30, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

כן זו כפילות, כשצילמתי את התמונות לא ידעתי שיש קטגוריה כי היא לא קושרה לערך בוויקיפדיה העברית. צריך לאחד, אני לא יודעת מה עדיף מבין השניים. אם תבחר בקטגוריה עם הציון: מושב בסוגריים, אז צריך גם לתקן את הקישור לוויקישיתוף בערך בוויקיפדיה העברית. Hanay (talk) 02:53, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

File:David Polonsky 01.jpg

Hi, you confirmed OTRS permission for this image. But there is any license template missing on the description page. Could you please recheck an correct this? thx. PS: Pls. remove the Category:Items with OTRS permission confirmed but no license afterwards. --JuTa 19:28, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

The same applies to:

regards. --JuTa 19:34, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice. I asked the user that uploaded the pictures to add the license CC-BY-SA-3.0. I will follow. Hanay (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Lee Zeitouni affair

Hi Hanay. It seems that you have upload a photo for the hebrew version of the Lee Zeitouni affair (קובץ:הפגנה להסגרת דורסי לי זיתוני בחיפה.jpg). Is there a way to upload it to Commons for the others versions of this article ? Thanks. Like tears in rain {-_-} 12:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I will ask user:Matanya to move it to Commons. Hanay (talk) 12:56, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
File:הפגנה להסגרת דורסי לי זיתוני בחיפה.jpg ✓ Done -- Geagea (talk) 13:01, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
This file was published File talk:הפגנה להסגרת דורסי לי זיתוני בחיפה.jpg. -- Geagea (talk) 10:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Geagea. But There is no credit under the picture/ Can you do somthing? Hanay (talk) 10:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I have mentioned it in the template {{published}}. You can sent the sites mail. -- Geagea (talk) 10:23, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
I do not know Russian. I asked User:Amire80 for his help in Hebrew Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) here Hanay (talk) 11:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Kossou Dam

Fisher on Lake Kossou near Kousso in Côte d'Ivoire
part of the dam in the right side

I very much like this photograph. Do you have by any chance a photograph of the dam or power plant of Kossou Dam? --NearEMPTiness (talk) 05:54, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi NearEMPTiness thank you. I also like this picture I hope that the users that decide in Commons:Wiki Loves Africa will love it too Face-smile.svg
I found 2 pictures they are not very good. I almost went to jail for those pictures. The The local commander that was in charge demond that I will give him my camera because I took some pictures without getting his permission. What he realy wanted is money. It was crazy, my camera cost more than 3,000 Shekel it is about 500,000 Frank. I refused to give it to him. I deleted the picture that I took, but he demond the film......
I later took some pictures from the car with my mobile phone I will upload them. You can find part of the dam in the right side of the other picture. Hanay (talk) 04:02, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
See Category:Kossou dam. Hanay (talk) 04:41, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the link and for inserting the two best pictures into the article. I am glad that you didn't go to jail for these. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 06:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

File:MeirGoldberg.jpg

With this edit you added an OTRS ticket but did not add a copyright tag. I presume this was a mistake but it is now listed at Category:Media without a license: needs history check. Ww2censor (talk) 22:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done thanks. Hanay (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Degania

Could you please find out, if there is any picture concerning de:Miriam Singer, who lived in en:Degania Alef from 1920 onwards for almost 70 years and has probably been buried in Degania. thx. --Goesseln (talk) 22:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I will ask. It is nice that you found out that I can do it Face-smile.svg. The article Degania in the German Wikipedia should be seperate to 2 different articles. There are 2 seperate Settlement Hanay (talk) 03:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thx. --Goesseln (talk) 09:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Goesseln, I added to Commons 2 pictures that I received from Degania Alef. Hanay (talk) 18:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
the world wide Wissen will welcome your good will. ;) --Goesseln (talk) 19:49, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg. I understood everything except Wissen..... Hanay (talk) 20:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
ask leo.dict, they know how to teach you about not Wissen wollen.  ;) --Goesseln (talk) 18:34, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:הקרן לידידות- התנגדות הרב קרליץ.JPG

Hi,

Could you please give your opinion on this DR? It is rather impossible to close this DR properly without a comment from someone who speaks Hebrew. Thanks in advance! Natuur12 (talk) 21:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Natuur12, Thank you for the turning to me. I would appreciate more notices when pictures from Israel are nominate for deletion. I was astonished to find Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Israel. This is not the way to nominate pictures for deletion. What is the conection between File:Israel Gate at Church of the Pater Noster, Israel (8269491222).jpg and File:גלרית קדם.jpg? except that there are both was taken in Israel? why not open Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:United States? or Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:world. I think that administrators in Commons should close immediatly such a bulk of deletion requests. I tag also user:Geagea and User:Matanya. Also User:Alan Liefting that seem to like to nominate many pictures from Israel for deletion. Thanks. Hanay (talk) 05:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi, yes those DR's are problematic and it took a lot of time to sort it out. While some of them are really out of scope most just need to be cleaned up. It was discussed at an/u a couple of times. Most of the red links are from files already deleted by Geagea as part of a clean-up btw. Perhaps you find User:SteinsplitterBot/DR/hewiki interesting. And thanks for the reply at the DR :). Natuur12 (talk) 21:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

ticket:2015072810021634

Dear Hanay,

If you have some time, could you please take a look at this ticket? It has been lying around for quite some time and I don't believe that anyone else will pick this one up anytime soon. Natuur12 (talk) 13:19, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi' sorry for the delay. I saw that every thing is OK. Hanay (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Mishmar HaEmek

another Kibbutznika, and I just copy the text of my last inquiry: Could you please find out, if there is any free picture concerning w:en:Irma Lindheim, who lived in w:en:Mishmar HaEmek from 1933 onwards for about 40 years. I just finished the german edition of Rama Lindheim. thx. --Goesseln (talk) 16:00, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry i do not know any one in Mishmar HaEmek. But I suggest her name to a project in Kibuzzim college see here. If they will decide to write an article about her, I am sure they will try to get pictures. Hanay (talk) 14:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Category:Eliezer_Mayo

Ldorfman (talk) 06:54, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

File:איתי לוי הופעה.jpeg

עברית: .מה פשר השחזור? לפי איכות התמונה, סיכוי לא רע שלא מדובר בתמונה פרטית. כמו כן, העלה אותה משתמש חדש, ורוב המשתמש החדשים לא כ"כ מודעים לנהלים. אם לא שמת לב, פניתי אליו בדף שיחתו. OmriTalk 23:42, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
הייתה לנו כבר שיחה בעניין התמונה. היא הועלתה בתחילה עם סימן מים. לא נראה על פניו שמדובר בהפרת ז"י. -- Geagea (talk) 23:48, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
לפי שם המשתמש שלו, הוא כנראה קשור בצורה כלשהי לחברה שמיחצ"נת את האמן הזה. האם עצם זה שהוא העלה אותה לוויקישיתוף אומרת שהוא מסכים לשחרר אותה ברישיון הזה? הוא בכלל רשאי לשחרר אותה ברישיון זה מטעם החברה? חלק ניכר מהמשתמשים החדשים כלל לא מודעים לעניין זכויות היוצרים ומעלים תמונות בחופשיות תוך התעלמות מההנחיות. במקרה הזה הייתי נוקט משנה זהירות. במיוחד בשביל המקרים האלה נועדו אישורי OTRS. את ודאי מודעת לכך יותר ממני. OmriTalk 22:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
ידידי, לא נראה לי שיש בעיה פה במיוחד בגלל שהוא העלה את התמונה עם סימן המים היא פחות חשודה. ואכן, עצם זה שהוא העלה אותה לוויקישיתוף אומרת שבעל הזכויות שחרר את התמונה ברישיון חופשי. ההעלאה היא בהתאם להנחיות. -- Geagea (talk) 10:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
פניתי אליו בדף שיחתו בוויקיפדיה העברית התייחסתי לבעלות על התמונה וביקשתי שיעלה ללא סימן מים וכך עשה. אני מאמינה שזאת תמונה שהוא צילם Hanay (talk) 15:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

מטבע גמלאפני מטבע במרכזו גביע העומר וסביבו הכתובת העברית לגאלת

את העלת לויקישיתוך צילום של המטבע פני מטבע במרכזו גביע העומר וסביבו הכתובת העברית לגאלת

מסתבר כי המקורי קצת שונה מניין הצילום הנה כתובת המקור http://www.antiquities.org.il/article_heb.aspx?sec_id=17&sub_subj_id=312&id=504 Daniel Ventura (talk) 22:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

אין לי מושג על מה אתה מדבר. תן קישור לקובץ שאוכל להתייחס. Hanay (talk) 14:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

File:DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE Israel Wwwm1876.jpg

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Triggerhippie4 (talk) 14:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

צביה כהן ויקיפדיה

חנה שלום רב,

תודה רבה על ההערה לגבי התמונות בדף. לגבי התמונות האישיות של צביה, קיבלתי אותן ממנה, במידה וצריך אצרף אישור שלה בכתב. למי להפנות? לגבי הלוגויים שחסמת, ממי מבקשים אישור לכתב עת מלפני 50 שנה שלא קיים? האם קיים פתרון? אשמח לייעוץ שבוע טוב, זיו Ziv shemesh (talk) 11:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

אתה צריך לדאוג לקבל אישור ממנה כמו שהסברתי לך בוויקיפדיה העברית. לא נוח לי להתכתב כאן כי זאת לא מערכת נוחה למענה בעברית. קקיבלת הסבר שם להיכן לשלוח Hanay (talk) 17:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


Hana hi,

I've just noticed that Zivia has no images on her Viki page, i realized that you are behind that :-). Anyway,i got Zivia's permission to upload her pictures + some other pictures were taken with Rabin,Peres,Shamir,Navon,Sadat ... I'll fill relevant OTRS form but where do i send it to?

Best Regards, Ziv

תשלח לכתובת permissions-he@wikimedia.org
למה איננו יכולים להתכתב בוויקיפדיה העברית. הסברתי לך שם את הנושא מספר פעמים. Hanay (talk) 16:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

CropTool

עברית: היי חנה,

יש כלי שנקרא CropTool שנוח מאוד לעבודה. אתה צריך לסמן בהעדפות את האפשרות: CropTool: A tool for cropping images at Wikimedia Commons. Runs at Tool Labs and uses OAuth for authorization to upload the cropped image under your username ואז הכלי מופיע לך בצד. מאוד נוח ופשוט. -- Geagea (talk) 15:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Geagea הי
סימנתי את האפשרות, אבל למרות ששמרתי, בעת היציאה מהעדפות אני מקבלת הודעה שהשינוי לא נשמר. לא התווסף לי מצד ימין כל אפשרות נוספת. אלי לא לכל אחד יש את האפשרות להשתמש באופציה זאת ואני צריכה לקבל הרשאה מסוימת? Hanay (talk) 16:45, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
לא צריך הרשאות. כשיוצאים מקבלים הודעה אבל השינוי נשמר. תנסי שוב. -- Geagea (talk) 16:49, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Geagea, מופיע, לא בדקתי במקום הנכון. תודה Hanay (talk) 17:58, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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Could you possibly look in at Commons:Help_desk#Unnamed_section_by_5.102.254.72? Thanks. - Jmabel ! talk 17:37, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Jmabel, I wrote there, If he wiil answer I'll see if there is a real problem. Hanay (talk) 16:25, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Ellin Beltz, I did not upload this picture, I just improved it. Thank you for paying attenssion. Hanay (talk) 18:16, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
See User_talk:בר_שרמטיוק for the other notice! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:19, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
I wrote to him also in Hebrew wikipedia. Hanay (talk) 18:44, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Umm Junieh

You should read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degania_Bet: Umm Junieh belongs there, not under Degania Alef. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Huldra/Jisr_al-Sidd: Deanna Alef was Umm al-Kanatir Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry, but the area Umm Junieh were the place where the first settlment of Degania Alef start the kibbuz, and the area still beloge to Degania Alef. You should read the article in Hebrew wikipedia here/ Use google translate. All the picture in the article is from the first settlment of Deganya Alef. I know the place very well and visit it several time. Degania Bet is sitting near by. read also en:Degania Alef article. Hanay (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I don´t read Hebrew, and Hebrew WP is not a WP:RS-source. But what you say does not agree with what scholars write: Karmon, 1960, p. 167 writes that Jacotin´s Umm Junieh was at Degania B. Grootkerk, 2000. pp. 332-334 says that Degania A was Umm al-Kanatir, Degania B was by the ruined bridge Jisr es Sidd. And Jisr es Sidd was besides Umm Junieh. Please look at the old Jacotin and SWP-maps. Huldra (talk) 21:14, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
All the pictures in Category:Um Juni are from the area that belong to Degania Alef. Deganya B is sitting near by. There nothing there from the arab vilge Umm Junieh. ThIs is the name of this place in Israel. Hanay (talk) 16:52, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
In The article in english wikipedia it is written "After the first phase at Umm Junieh, the group and its settlement was simply called Degania, "Alef" being added only after the establishment of the associated kibbutzim of Degania Bet". Thier first place at Umm Junieh is belong to Degania Alef. Hanay (talk) 17:08, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I see that in Degania Alef. I also see that it has no source, which makes it pretty worthless. Please look at some maps, say, the British Mandate 1940´s maps, where "Kh. Umm Juna" was printed just besides Degania Bet. How do you explain that? I´m pinging User:Zero0000, who knows much more about maps, than me, Huldra (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure exactly what the dispute is here, but if you want to see a precise geographical layout go here and look at map "20-23 21-23". I'm not 100% sure that "Kh. Umm Juna" is where the village Umm Juna was located when Deganiya was formed, but it seems to match the location shown on the PEF map. From this we can see that neither D(a) nor D(b) was located exactly on the ruins of UJ, but both are quite close with D(b) the closest. This tract of land was commonly called "Umm Juni lands" when both places were founded. Shilony's book "Ideology and Settlement" has many pages on this. Zero0000 (talk) 00:43, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
The first hut from 1910 of Degania Alef at Umm Junieh
Umm Junieh Heritage Sites sign telling the story of the first settlment of Degania Alef

There are many sources in Hebrew for this information, but you refused to use google translate to read them. This is a multilanguage project and I am not obligated to bring source in English. Here some:

  1. An article in newspaper Haaretz that telling the celebration of 100 years to Degania Alef by restoration the first hut in Umm Junieh. See here
  2. A page in Degania web site that telling the story of the first settlment in Umm Junieh.See here
  3. I have at my home the book "hundred years of Degania. This is of course a hard copy. and this is also a legitimate source in Wikipedia
  4. I found also a source in English in the book "Reshaping Palestine: From Muhammad Ali to the British Mandate, 1831-1922" pages 100-101. Pay attention that the name of the kibbutz or Kvutzah Degania belong to Degania Alef. until to day in Israel when people mention Degania they usually do not say Degania Alef, but just Degania. When they refer to Degania Bet they always say the full name.
  5. Another source in English Berl: The Biography of a Socialist Zionist: Berl Katznelson 1887-1944 pages 36-37

The area that called Umm Junieh is in the south part of Degania Alef and there are Palm plantations that belong to Degania Alef between Umm Junieh and the houses of Degania Alef. Umm Junieh is sitting to the west of Degania Bet, physically closer to Degania Bet but the area do not belong to Degania Bet. Maybe Karmon was confused because of it. See here in google map

I visited the site several time, and the only way to go to Umm Junieh is through the gate of Degania Alef. There is a fence between the area of Umm Junieh and Degania Bet.

The area of Umm Junieh with the famous first hut is recognized as an Heritage Site of Degania Alef by the Council for conservation of Heritage Sites in Israel. All the pictures in the category are from the Heritage Site and part of Degania Alef. In Israel when we use the name Umm Junieh we refer only to this place. I ping some Israeli editors that read Hebrew. I am sure that they will say to you the same.User:MathKnightת User:דוד שי, User:DGtal, User:Neukoln, User:Geagea. Hanay (talk) 16:10, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

The first settlers of Degania (a) lived in the huts of Umm Junieh for a few years and then moved to the new site. Later Degania (b) was founded at a location closer to the site of Umm Junieh. So despite D(b) being closer, it is D(a) that can be said to displace/replace Umm Junieh. Meanwhile, there are some things missing from both the English and Hebrew wikis:
  • (a) The circumstances of the founding of Degania (b) are not explained. Usually having two places of the same name results from an ideological dispute. What explains it this time?
  • (b) The 1952 Yearbook of Israel has a list of all settlements. Deganya (b) has 21.9.1920 as its founding date; ok. Deganya (a) has founding date 1.12.1949. Why? Some part of the history is missing.
Zero0000 (talk) 10:17, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Deganya (a) in Hebrew דגניה א was founded on 1910 not on 1.12.1949. On 1912 they moved from the site that was called Um juni to the north closer to the Sea of Galilee, but they kept the ownership of the area that called Um Juni and they still own it. They celebrated 100 years on 2010. See on youtube here
en:Degania Bet in Hebrew דגניה ב, was a new Kibbutz with new settlers that settled near by on 1920. They used the same name because of lack of imagination no other reason.
Later on a another new group start a settlment near by. They called themself Degania Gimel (דגניה ג) en:Gimel is the third letter in Hebrew. But they moved to Jezreel Valley and change their name to en:Ginegar. lucy for us Face-smile.svg Hanay (talk) 11:45, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
User:Zero0000 good afternoon. Umm Juni is located within the boundaries of Degania Alef. You are more than welcome to visit the place Face-smile.svg, as I have many times. there is no doubt about its current location, it is well documented. Thus, as for the category, it should be under Degania Alef not Degania_Bet, because it is simply not there. Regards Assayas (talk) 12:12, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Well, as the the google map (and every other map) shows, Umm Juni is closer to Degania Bet, than to Degania Alef. If you say it presently *belongs* to Degania Alef, then I have no reason to doubt it. It does not change the fact, that historically, it is Degania Bet that is the continuation of the Palestinian village of Umm Juni, not Degania Alef, Huldra (talk) 14:14, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi Huldra, That what I said from the beginning. This area was always belong to Degania Alef. not only presently. The pictures in the category are from the area of Degania Alef. By the way an effendi family that originated was from persia, was the owner of the area. The arabs that lived their were their workers and tenancy. The family sold the land in 1905 to the Jewish Colonization Association, and the land was given on 1910 to a group of people that settled the first kibbutz named it Degania - ten years later the name was changed to Degania Alef. Hanay (talk) 16:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Hana asserstion is backed by various sources (most of them in Hebrew) and it still belongs to Degania Alef. MathKnight (Talk) 17:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Hana, you don´t seem to get what I´m saying. And that is that Degania Bet that is the continuation of the Palestinian village of Umm Juni, not Degania Alef, Huldra (talk) 20:48, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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