User talk:VízPart/PANONIAN

What did others say about PANONIAN POV pushing?

See the discussion for the source of QOUTES QOUTES:

• On map are Serbia borders which has never been international accepted. Hungarian territory under Serbia occupation is shown like Serbian territory. Part of territory under occupation will be given to Romania, part will stay with Hungary and greatest part will be given to Serbia with peace agreements 1919/20. Simple speaking this map which show borders on 26 november 1918 is false so it must be deleted. More about that on talk page. —Rjecina 02:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC).

• The whole point is that this is Serbia that "should have been" not "that was". In short this is not a historical map, Serbia never had these borders in reality nor it was recognized by them, Serbia joined with Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia-Herzegoina to form Kingdom of Yugoslavia. --No.13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:No.13) 19:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

• This map is not a historical map and shows borders of supposed Serbia that never was. --No.13 19:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

• the map is misleading because Serbia never existed as a state shown here. 1918 demarcation lines weren't internationally recognized borders. Vojvodina, Baranya and Banat were occupied by the Serb army but borders were finalized in 1920 Trianon peace treaty along different lines. The map makes no distinction between demarcation lines and borders, occupied territories and recognized Serb territory. The creator refused any cooperation to improve the map which in present form seems Serb nationalist propaganda. 89.133.142.105 19:08, 29 July 2007 (UTC) User: Zello on en.wiki ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zello )

• It is truth that borders shown on map were not internationally recognized,

• This map is absolutely not a historical map, this is a falsification. V79benno 22:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

• Oh, Mr. PANONIAN, if you really dont want to create a falsification, Hungarian territory under Serbian occupation must be indicated on the map properly, with clearly distinctive coloration. That's the end of story for any apparently normal adult human beeing... V79benno 13:05, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

• (First: there's no need for proof that you are a POV-pusher, it's clear as the daylight, my dear, don't play games. Who else on Earth would spend so much time with hardly defending such a ridiculous falsification?! Oh, my God.) ... I wish you to find a better activity than this poor old game... You cannot change the past, but you can learn from it. :) It's never too late. V79benno 14:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

• What a disgrace, this map is serbian propaganda and big falsification not a historical map. This map need to be deleted, soon as possible. -- Kingstone93 01:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• - falsification, not a historical map. Note that this is not the first time that we have false maps of Serbia. --Ante Perkovic 07:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• Note: Everybody not familiar with the history of Central Europe should know that Pécs, Baja and Timisoara weren't recognized as part of Serbia in 1920 when international borders were finalized. Instead these areas became part of Hungary and Romania and their status never changed since then. The borders are recognized by the Serb government. The northern border shown here was never accepted by the international community. 89.133.142.105 User: Zello 21:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• This map is a clear fabrication, and an attempt at falsification of history. This map is born out of either complete ignorance of historical facts, or the desire to spread extreme propaganda, take your pick. Hamada2 12:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• As Rjecina clearly explained, prime exemplar of panserbian propaganda. -- Ivan Štambuk 21:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

• I can understand that person which is not honest is always making questions about honesty of others but this is starting to be too much. This second time in 40 days (first time on wiki) that this user which support chetniks ideology, this PANONIAN question my honesty. Can please somebody block this misleading editor of commons and wiki. Be good PANONIAN and please do not question why I have writen misleading. -- Rjecina 14:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• Fact is, that the Kingdom of Serbia as it is shown in this map, never existed. -- j.budissin^+/- 09:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• Map need to be deleted. Greatserbian propaganda. --Flopy 09:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
• Regardless of the accuracy of the de facto borders in 1918, the caption of the picture is obviously POV: It says "unification" with Banat and Backa, while, clearly, it would be more accurate to say that Timisoara and Pecs were "occupied" at the time. Fossa 12:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• falsification, not a historical map . Why there are no Hungarian and Romanian users here? They'd also say something about this. Kubura 11:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
• very big falsification, not a historical map. In 1st Dec. 1918 Timisoara was part of the Greater Romanian state. This map is false.--Wallak 15:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

• Map is great Serbian propaganda, made by a very dangerous Great Serbian Propagandist, Panonian. It shows occupied Croatian Territory as already part of Serbia in 1918, this is falsify of history, this land was stolen from Croatia by Serbs, and this was lawful Croat land in 1918 even if Serbian radicals gained control of the land in an illegal way. Illegal occupation is not the same as lands being lawfully part of one country. 78.3.29.49 18:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• The Entente recognized the existence of the independent Hungary in the Belgrade Armistice. Of course you are right that they didn't recognize the 1914 borders with this act, this was never their intention. But similarly they didn't recognize the occupation lines as final borders of Serbia. The legal situation was the same for both countries: their existence was recognized but their desired borders were not. This map shows the Serb dream of Greater Serbia. You simply allotted the disputed territory to Serbia not taking into consideration that its status remained unresolved until 1920 when the real borders were only laid out and the Entente divided the disputed territory into three between the aspirant countries. Zello
• I can only repeat the words of my honourable predecessor... V79benno 09:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The above QOUTES from the discussion clearly show that this map's factual accuracy is highly disputed. Occupied territory that was never part of Serbia must be clearly noted as occupied territory in the opinion of many users. Propaganda and fantasy maps are not appropriate. Please see here that all the qoutes illustrated the dispute over this maps factual accuracy are here word for word discussion about PANONIAN extreme POV pushing Please also note that NONE of this is my opinion it's all the opinion of others. VízPart (talk) 13:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

PANONIAN Sockpuppet Investigation

Status: open • view • edit • history • watch
Filed: 02:54, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• PANONIAN (talk • contribs • Luxo's • SUL • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)

Suspected sockpuppets of PANONIAN

• PANONIAN (talk • contribs • Luxo's • SUL • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• SlovenskoSlovákom (talk • contribs • Luxo's • SUL • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)

Evidence for sockpuppeting of PANONIAN

The obvious sockpuppet of PANONIAN was created exactly at a time when sockpupeteer PANONIAN was blocked for 1 day on march 10. See the block log of PANONIAN 14:18, 10 March 2010, blocked PANONIAN with an expiry time of 1 day (account creation disabled) ‎(Disruptive editing: Edit warring) , the block on march 10. And now see the creation of the sockpuppet SlovenskoSlovákom 20:08, 10 March 2010 SlovenskoSlovákom New user account. Less than six hours after PANONIAN's block, the sockpuppet is created and reverts exactly the same edits as PANONIAN was blocked for. Including on the Atlas of World War II [1]. Reverting to the same version PANONIAN did. Please block the sockpuppet indefinitely and the sockpuppet master as well, PANONIAN. Thank you for your assistance regarding this CheckUser request. The sockpuppet even mentions PANONIAN in this edit "page edited by panonian is more balanced" Also there is clear block evasion is going on with regards to PANONIAN. It seems that altough attempting to misrepresent a Slovak before the sockpuppeting was revealed it is in fact proved that SlovenskoSlovakom edits from Serbia and is in fact the sock and or meatpuppet of user PANONAIN. Therefore this request is for dual purposes, the investigation thus far was conducted by Martin H., but he shows no further interest in the case, so the case should be finished and closed and the sockpuppet and the sockmaster still needs to be blocked. And it does not matter if it is a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet really what is clear that the account is opened during the block of PANONAIAN immidiately reverting the same edits he were blocked for therefore the express purpose of the sockpuppeting is to evade the block. If someone is interested in investigating further and handling the sock, any help is welcome. Another proof is that PANONIAN says his block is not a problem. OF COURSE it is not when there is a sockpuppet immidiately appearing to do the reverts, and dirty work. OF COURSE the block is not a problem for him as he can create an unlimited supply of sockpuppets. VízPart (talk) 03:11, 12 March 2010 (UTC)