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User talk:PANONIAN

Stop..Edit

..double-tagging everything, and posting double-notifications, please. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:19, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

I done that simply because after first tagging I got message that request is incomplete. That is technical error, not my intention. PANONIAN (talk) 07:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Ok. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 11:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

vaznoEdit

Promeni licensiju ovoga, [1] , nek bude nesto poput ovoga, [2] - tako je kako varjarcic inace lista stvari na srpskoj vikipediji, i smatram da je to najbolji nacin da zastitis svoj rad. (LAz17 (talk) 17:46, 5 June 2011 (UTC)).

Ne znam da li mogu menjati licencu ako sam već stavio ovu. A i Varjačićeve mape nisu baš zaštićene sa tim licencama, jer su mu neke i obrisali. Ovakve stvari se povremeno dešavaju i navikao sam na njih. PANONIAN (talk) 11:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Naravno da mozes da promenis licensiju. Samo uzmes i promenis. Pogledas neku drugu mapu i promenis. Varjarciceve stare mape nisu sve imale to, jer su napravili gresku u prebacivanju mapi. Inace, molimte promeni to. Jedino sa time moze da se poteraju oni koji su odrali mapa od tebe. (LAz17 (talk) 16:13, 6 June 2011 (UTC)).
Dal mozes da mi das dopustenje da promenim licensiju na tvom fajlu? Ti si stavio pogresnu licensiju. (LAz17 (talk) 19:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)).
Nemoj menjati licencu. Kad bolje razmislim to nije dobra ideja. Slike i stavljam u public domain da bi svi mogli slobodno da ih koriste i često vidim da se moje mape objavljuju u raznim novinama i knjigama (pre neki dan mi je jedna objavljena u Blicu). Ako promenim licencu, onda mape neće biti potpuno slobodne za korišćenje. Što se tiče one mape koju je napravio Direktor, pitanje korišćenja iste treba rešiti na engleskoj vikipediji. PANONIAN (talk) 19:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Svi mogu isto da koriste mape ako se promeni licensija. Ali nemogu da ih menjaju. Dakle mislim da nebi bio problem da se promeni licensija.
Ako nesmeta, dal mozes da mi pokazes gde je koriscena ta mapa na blicu o kojoj pricas? (LAz17 (talk) 21:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)).
Ok, razmisliću još o licencama, ali moram prvo detaljno proučiti šta koja licenca podrazumeva (što me trenutno mrzi). Inače u Blicu je pre neki dan objavljena mapa države cara Jovana Nenada kada su pisali o njemu, ali i razne druge mape koje sam radio su objavljivane po štampi i nekim knjigama - jednu sam video čak i na omotu za neki CD. PANONIAN (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Ma lagano je, samo promenis i cisto zavrseno.
Slike se lagano brisu ako se nekoriste igde i ako nema izvor. Probaj i na taj nacin da ih brisess. Nedavno sam dao podrsku brisnaja nekoliko od stvari koje si ti ponudio. Sad je pitanje dal ces ti da uradis isto za mene, ili ces da opet kontriras brisanje problematicni mapa - pravila su da nesmes da stavljas mapu preko neke druge ako ima mnogo razlika. (LAz17 (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)).
E sad. Ja tvoju podrsku kod brisanja tih mapa nisam trazio, a da li cu ja podrzati brisanje neke mape ili ne zavisi od same mape. Brisanje Cehinih mapa necu da podrzim iz principa, jer ne diram rad onih korisnika koji ne diraju moj rad (osim u slucaju kad njihov rad nije teska bolestina i zesca propaganda). Medjutim, kad su u pitanju problematicni korisnici kao direktor ili mladifilozof koji unistavaju moj rad, onda ni ja njihov rad ne cenim i ne postujem. PANONIAN (talk) 18:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Pa pazi, ima trenutna mapa, hrvatske opstine u bih. Ceha je napravio mapu - iako imaju vec mape o tome. Sad, problem je sto je napravio mapu za izmisljenim opstinama. Mozes barem da das misljenje na to? Nije moguce da mozes da podrzis da to ostane. Nisi pre podrzao - ali nisi ni glasao protiv na zlao. (LAz17 (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)).
Bilo bi dobro da promenis licensiju, da bi se izbrisala direktove kopije tvoji karti. Ali ipak, vidju ovo, [3], vidju kartice na stranici. Tvoje, zar ne? (LAz17 (talk) 12:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC))
Ma da, kazem ti mnogi to objavljuju. Nego, sto se tice licence, PD licenca je bolja, jer kod one druge nije zabranjeno kopiranje i menjanje slika, ali je obavezno da se navede ime autora. Posto ja ne volim da dajem svoje licne podatke na internetu, onda i ne zelim da navode moje ime (ili korisnicki nadimak). Ja zelim da mape koje napravim budu svima dostupne i potpuno slobodne za upotrebu i ovi problematicni korisnici kao sto je direktor koji se povremeno pojave ne bi trebalo da budu razlog zbog kojeg bi se slobodna upotreba tih mapa ogranicavala. PANONIAN (talk) 18:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Mislim da mogu da koriste mape cak i ako ima ime - a nemora a bude pravo ime.
Inace, kazem ti, to sto dajes stvari djaba te pravi da izgledas ko komuninsta u oci neki amerikanaca! Evo ti libertariansi [4] (LAz17 (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)).
Haha. Nije ni Somalija više kao u tom filmu, nema tamo više anarhije, već 6-7 državica koje međusobno ratuju. Meni mnogo znači da ja ne moram da plaćam da postavim svoj rad na Internet, pa ne vidim razlog ni da drugima ograničavam da ga upotrebljavaju. Znači, ne bih da menjam licence, a direktor, uostalom, i nije uništio moju mapu već je napravio svoju verziju. Moja mapa se ionako još uvek koristi na više Vikipedija nego njegova. Na engleskoj Vikipediji ne smem da imam revert war s njim da me ne bi blokirali, ali to na drugim Vikipedijama nije slučaj. PANONIAN (talk) 08:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Archiving talk pagesEdit

Hi PANONIAN; Please read the guidance of COM:TALK#When_there_is_too_much_text.[5] Archiving talk pages can help others communicate with you. Thank you, Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I did not thought that something important could be seen in these old discussions, so I did not saw some good reason to keep them archived. It is just my personal private correspondence with other users and I do not think that someone would find that interesting for reading. :) PANONIAN (talk) 19:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

SastanakEdit

U nedelju (26. juna) će biti održan sastanak viki(m/p)edijanaca u Novom Sadu. Ranije si se interesovao za to, pa reko' da te obavestim. Ja ću možda da navratim samo na kratko jer sam prilično zauzet. Mislim da će biti najmanje desetak ljudi na sastanku, pa bi mogao i ti da dođeš :) Jesi li zainteresovan? mickit 14:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Javiću ti detalje kasnije, jer još ne znam tačnu satnicu. mickit 17:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Sastanak je u kafeu Giardino na vrhu robne kuće Bazar u 14h. Mislim da će trajati bar nekoliko sati (prošli put smo ostali do 19h) tako da imaš vremena da navratiš. Pozdrav! mickit 06:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Nisam ni ja bio tamo. Pretpostavljam da se ulazi iz Bazara onim stepenicama unutra. Ako budeš imao problema pošalji mi sms na broj koji ću ti pustiti na mejl. mickit 10:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

skrozanyourimbododoEdit

Sta mislis, dal mozes da napravis ovaku mapu, [6] ? Malo je cudno, ali mislim da mozda nebi bilo lose da se ima takva mapa. Takodje, odose ovi kurci [7] [8] Nisam siguran, mislim da si imao jos jednu kreten-mapu za listanje. Daj link da vidimo sta mozemo uraditi. (LAz17 (talk) 23:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)).

A za koji ti članak treba ta mapa vinskih regiona? Mogu je napraviti, ali tek kad nađem vremena za to jer trenutno imam neke druge stvari u planu. Bila je još jedna mapa za brisanje ali nisu još odlučili šta će s njom: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Greater_Serbia_claims_early_93.png PANONIAN (talk) 09:05, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

PreimenovanjeEdit

✓ Done Promenio sam naziv slike. Inače, taj problem sa prikazivanjem starije verzije je prijavio veliki broj korisnika u poslednjih nekoliko dana. Izgleda da je problem do servera. Neko je primetio da preimenovanje zapravo rešava ovaj problem. Naravno da nećemo to koristiti za sve slučajeve, ali se potrefilo da si tražio i preimenovanje ove slike, tako da je i taj problem sada rešen :) Pozdrav! mickit 11:33, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

odgovorEdit

Hm, pa mislim da nisu na censusu bili grkokatolici. Al kazi mi koja su to naselja? (Lilic (talk) 22:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)).

Imam vecu rezoluciju te 1961 karte. Neznam tacno gde je trenutno, ali je imam negde. Na nekom pipku/jumpdriveu mi je.
Dal mozda imas popis 1910 po naseljima? (Lilic (talk) 16:08, 22 July 2011 (UTC)).
Mozda znas na kojim su stranicama podatci za mesta u vojvodini? (Lilic (talk) 19:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)).

Could you add the military German-Italian military demarcation line to the 1941-1943 map of the Independent State of Croatia?Edit

The map shown in the infobox of the Independent State of Croatia article for English Wikipedia is very good, however I think it should include the military demarcation line between German and Italian military forces that occupied those territories. Also a "split bar" shading of the Italian-occupied region and the German occupied region would be useful as well. What I mean by "split bar" shading is that it show both the colour used to represent the Independent State of Croatia in one bar of colour on the map followed beside by another bar of colour of the country of the occupation force, (Germany or Italy).--R-41 (talk) 12:50, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Here's an idea for how to mark the demarcation line and both the German and Italian zones: have a thick outline in the general colours each used to represent Germany and Italy around each of the German and Italian-controlled regions, within the outline would remain the reddish colour used to represent the NDH. The text "Independent State of Croatia..." should appear right along the middle of the line between the two zones, essentially in the centre of the NDH so the viewer is not confused that it represents one of the two regions.--R-41 (talk) 00:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Inaccurate map: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Great_Schism_1054_with_former_borders.pngEdit

Hello! I know you are an experineced wiki maps maker, so I'd like to make you a sort of request.

I've found on the page of the History Department of the University of Pisa this document [9] that containts the following paragraph:

<<Following the wide program of conversion, the Italian humanist chronicler Antonio Bonfini estimated that due to the joint effort of the king and the Church around 1380 more than a third of the kingdom “was part of the holy Church” . That is, almost half of Hungary’s inhabitants at that time were Catholic and this was the outcome of an unprecedented effort at proselytizing.>>


Consequently, at the time of the East-West Schism, Hungary wasn't for sure a predominantly a Catholic country, as it is represented in the map. Can you please make the necessary correction by presenting Hungary as a country with mixed religious confessions? If you have any questions, please contact me at d**********@yahoo.com (Iaaasi (talk) 09:42, 10 September 2011 (UTC))

Preimenovanje slikeEdit

Da ne bi nastao problem oko toga, pitao sam Direktora da potvrdi da se slaže sa preimenovanjem. Ukoliko se saglasi, slika će biti preimenovana bez odlaganja. U suprotnom, bolje je prvo prodiskutovati o nazivu (recimo na stranici za razgovor same slike) kako bi se izneli argumenti za i protiv i kako bi se izbegli nesporazumi. Pozdrav! mickit 18:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)


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Donja PanonijaEdit

Molim za pregled ove karte: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pannonian_Slavic_Duchy-serb.png u vezi sa pravopisnim greškama. --Bostjan46 (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

PreimenovanjeEdit

✓ Done mickit 19:40, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Lezgin mapEdit

Thanks for the advice. I just made the change. As you can see, all previous version did have the legend, but for some reason I didn't put the legend for that oen. I really appreciate your cooperation.--Yerevanci (talk) 20:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

IvanOSEdit

...Sada je aktivan na različitim wikipedijama. Na našoj (češkoj), poljskoj, italijanskoj, slovenačkoj i neznam već kakoj. Šta se tiče većih projekta, tamo ga revertiraju, samo na malim neznaju šta sa time ili to nisu već prepoznali. On se bavi stvarno budalaštinama (ubacuje turska i mađarska imena za srpske gradove i za te u Hrvatskoj gde Srbi žive izbacuje njihova imena u ćirilici). Smatram da on neće da raširi Wikipediju, nego nastavlja glupe i zaboravljene konflikte na našem projektu. Šta misliš o tome ti? --Aktron (talk) 17:59, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Pa slažem se da je tu u pitanju veoma problematičan korisnik. Pokušao sam s njim da pričam o tome na engleskoj Vikipediji, ali ne vredi, dečko ima neke lične komplekse i tu nema nikakve pomoći. Valjda će mu takvo ponašanje dosaditi. Za sada ga možemo jedino revertovati tamo gde napravi veću glupost. PANONIAN (talk) 05:43, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Ja sam isto pretražio njegovu domaću wikipediju (hr) da prepoznam bolje šta on tamo radi. Hrvatsku wikipediju je napustio zbog nekih "ličnih nesporazuma" ili bilo čega drugoga. Mislim da si u pravu sa ovim kompleksima, zbog toga mu nisam ništa pisao (to je bacanje mog vremena) ali upozorio koga sam mogao. Micki je rekao da će ga pratiti i to je bitno. Ako budem imao dovoljno vremena za to, pomoćiću mu. --Aktron (talk) 17:22, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Lombard state 526.pngEdit

An identical svg map exists and that's why we have the vva tag for. Wikimedia Commons encourage the conversion from raster graphics to vector graphics (see Commons:Transition to SVG).--Rafy (talk) 21:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

No. Your SVG map is not identical to my PNG version. There are notable differences between the two and the "encouragement of conversion" is not same as "obligation of conversion". I do not mind that you link your map version in "Other versions" sections, but I absolutely disagree that PNG version is generally replaced with your SVG plagiate of poor quality. PANONIAN (talk) 22:26, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
You published the map under Cc-zero, that is: any one can modify and make derivatives of the map without even attributing it to the maker, which I did by the way. Any accusation of plagiarism is nonsense. Next time if you don't want to see your maps used elsewhere don't upload them to commons.--Rafy (talk) 00:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
No. I am accusing you for revert warring. Cc-zero license does not mean that you are free to revert war with me over inclusion of SVG tag. PANONIAN (talk) 08:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Well you started the revert war here, you then accused me of plagiarism. The tag clearly says "It should be used in place of this raster image when superior" and is very justified. Just to remind you neither you or me own those images uploaded here.--Rafy (talk) 14:29, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I opened discussion on image talk page, so please discuss the issue there. Personal issues are irrelevant. PANONIAN (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for Flag CreationEdit

Hi PANONIAN, I read your request to create SVG versions of the flag and arms of Serbian Vojvodina. Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not getting involved in any more Serbian vector flags/arms. Sorry, but after what happened to my last flag/arms (with first DIREKTOR stealing it, then TRAJAN stealing it and then nominating my original for deletion as a copy, I've had enough! On a plus note though I shall be continuing the series of WWII balkans admin maps. The one for Albania is 95% complete, but I cannot confirm a couple of details so won't publish it yet. For the others I am still researching better source data. Thanks again for your interest in my work and I hope you find another graphic designer for your flags. XrysD (talk) 00:07, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

About West Ukraine.pngEdit

3gpacBbime & Dobroden, Pannonian,

OK, I taked off the Soviet border (1940 in Bukovina, 1945 in Galicia & Transcarpathia) and drawed only the WUPR claims of 1918-19 since Meyer's Atlas & old maps (1919) of the Geographical Institute Library (Bibliothèque de l'Institut de Géographie, Université Paris IV-Sorbonne, 193 rue Saint-Jacques, 75005 Paris). The soviet border of 1940-1945 is generally not in concordance with the WUPR claims and included new towns (Chernivtsi) but not all the areas claimed in 1918 (Iza valley in Maramuresh, ruthenian areas in West-Galicia & Slovakia).

Primary sources are the documents of the time when some event arrived. Secondary sources are later studies, books and maps about this events. Primary sources about WUPR claims ? I mean the Austrian-Hungarian military maps, printed 1911, where the WUPR claims (and other border claims and border changes) are drawed in 1919, maps conserved in the Cartothèque de l'Institut de Géographie de l'Université de Paris IV-Sorbonne, 193 rue St-Jacques, 75005 Paris (<http://www.univ-paris1.fr/bibliotheque/bibgeo/cartotheque/>), where I was a student, and a scholar. I'm sure this type of maps exist also in other universitary libraries, in the main towns of Europe. I think it's also possible to find reproductions on the web, for young people who knows the internet world. Today I don'l live in Paris, but if I return and if I'll have time, I can ask the exact referencies of these austrian maps. Wishes, --Spiridon Ion Cepleanu (talk) 20:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

About the year 1918 in BukovinaEdit

You misuderstand me : I'm not so stupid and lier you think, the austrian military maps are printed 1911 without WUPR claims, and in 1919-1920 the geographers of this time draw this claims on these austrian maps. Later (after WW2) this maps were provided in Paris. About the 1918 events in Chernivtsi, three commitees proclaimed in november 1918 their unifications : the "ruthenians" (Ruthener) with WUPR, the "wallachians" (Wlachen) or "moldovans" (Moldauer) with Romania, and the bolcheviks (some young students, polish, ukrainian or jews) with Soviet Russia. But only the cities of Zastavna, Vashkivtsi, Vizhnitza and Iablonivtsa were temporarely under the WUPR control, and the border draw by your main source and you between ukrainian northern Bukovina, and romanian southern Bukovina, are established by a soviet-romanian commission in july 1940. You can verify all this if you want, or not if you don't ; if yes, you will do this for yourself and for Ukraine's history, not for my pleasure. At end, in French the expression "pays baltes" (baltic lands) mean geographically "of the Baltic sea" and have not not linguistic sense (the linguistic sense concern only the expression "langues baltes"), and I wrote in the legend of this map : "Distribution géographique des langues dans les pays baltes : l'Estonien est finno-ougrien, les autres (actuelles ou éteintes) baltes. En outre un cinquième de la population en moyenne est constitué de colons russophones, surtout dans les villes" (you understand, isn't it?).

Don't be sorry, but please work WITH the other contributors, not AGAINST them, even if you don't like their affirmations ; the different POVs must be presented and sourced, but not inevitably by the same contributor who write ; the problem is not WHO write this or this other information, but IT's or ISN't TRUE ! In the Czernowitzer Allgemeine Zeitung, Thursday, Novembre 7, 1918, on Gemeinsame Kriegs-Ausgabe. Czernowitzer Allgemeine Zeitung / Tagblatt. Donnerstag, 7. November 1918, S. 1 and also in the books of Emanuel Turczynski (Geschichte der Bukowina in der Neuzeit. Zur Sozial- und Kulturgeschichte einer mitteleuropäisch geprägten Landschaft (=Studien der Forschungsstelle Ostmitteleuropa an der Universität Dortmund 14). Verlag Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden 1993, ISBN 3-447-03295-2) and Kurt Scharr (Die Landschaft Bukowina. Das Werden einer Region an der Peripherie 1774-1918. Böhlau Verlag, Wien/Köln/Weimar 2010, ISBN 3-205784-63-4) everybody can find the story of the events in Bukovina in 1918, and I insist, the soviet-romanian border of June 28, 1940, IS NOT the border claimed bu the WUPR in 1918, and the Bukovinian territory controlled by WUPR in Novembre 1918 IS NOT the northern Bukovina given to Ukraine by USSR in Juny 28, 1940. As a Wikipedian contributor, your duty is to verify this, not to denied my information taking pretext my "inverifiable" sources (today ALL is verifiable). Your source is verifiable, but about Bukovina it's WRONG, because it's a secondary, not a primary source. I'm not personnaly involved in this question, and i'm indifferent about the romanian or ukrainian POVs ; with time, the real FACTS at last ever rise to the surface ! Only is better for you, for your capacities as a scholar, a cartographer and a human being, if YOU search and do this yourself. Wishes again.

I speak about it because the border of West Ukraine Republic in your map IS, in Bukovina, IDENTIC with border of Soviet Ukraine institued Juny 28, 1940. This is not wrong because I say so : I say so because it's wrong, and if you want to be right, you must draw your black line of the claims around the ENTIRE Bucovina, because WUPR claimed "Bukovina" without details about the border. I'm an old teacher who loves BOOKS (in PAPER), my languages are French, Greek and Romanian, the english language and the "Web" aren't my world, I must ask help to my students, so, if you want to have goodwill, you can verify this LITTLE problem of the border in Bukovina, an not loose your time crossing your swords with me. The border of West Ukraine Republic in your map, in Bukovina, anticipating the 1940 border of Soviet Ukraine, have a name in history : this is an "Anachronism". So long, --Spiridon Ion Cepleanu (talk) 17:02, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, we are in progress together. In 1918 "Bukovina", similary as Banat, were claimed by two ethnic groups living inside. Since the time sources, in the both territories, a tacite agreement exists, between the most moderate national leaders, about a taling and a border across the land. The situation in Banat was resolved, for the relative satisfaction of the two nations, by the international commission for borders. In Bukovina, the fall down of the WUPR under the polish and romanian offensives, give all the land to Romania, and all the Galicia to Poland (Ukrainians were not admitted at the Congress of Versailles for expose their claims and the "popular" aspect of WUPR feared the deciders : France, GB and USA). If you read english, sure you know A History of Ukraine, by P. R. Magocsi, University of Toronto Press (1996, ISBN 0-8020-0830), p. 420 about Bukovina. In Bukovina, the taling were realised only in 1940 in the context we know. So, you'll do what you want evidently, and for my part, I thing the better is to draw a dotted border as in your derivative version "West_ukraine_2.png", ant to upload this new map instead of the first, which is the starting point of our discussions. This is not a "claim", but a suggestion, OK ? "Don't worry, be happy" (Bob Marley), --Spiridon Ion Cepleanu (talk) 11:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

West Ukraine possible claims
Sorry to intervene here, but I would like to know how comes that the W.U.P.R. claimed-territory in Bukovina perfectly matches the 1940 Soviet-Romanian frontier? The 1940 border was to a large degree a straight line which didn't follow the existing local administrative limits in Bukovina. So, if the W.U.P.R. claimed certain villages near the 1940 frontier, the 1918 claimed limit should have been a lot more "fuzzier", something like this:
P.S. Actually I only intended to let PANNONIAN know that I created an updated version of his ethnic map of Mures, Harghita and Covasna counties containing the 2011 census results: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Szekely04.png
Regards, Andrein 19:55, 23 March 2012 (EET)
Thank you for your reply.
Well, my issue with the 1918 claim limit is that it is 100% impossible to be the same or simillar with the 1940 frontier. For example, the village of Shepit/Sipotele Sucevei (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Шепот_(Ивано-Франковская_область), with a 90% Ukrainian population was cut in 2 by the 1940 border. Likewise the Romanian villages of Straja and Vicovu de Sus were left without their forested land, which fell to the north of the new border.
Now, if the WUPR claimed the village of Shepit, the border should have included the southern part of the village, which was renamed as Izvoarele Sucevei within Romania in 1940 or 1941. Simillarly, if the Ukrainian claim did not include the villages of Straja and Vicovu de Sus, the border should have been about 10-15 km. north of the 1940 frontier.
The idea is that you have to follow the internal (cadstral) administrative limits of Bukovina because it is highly unlikely that the WUPR claimed half-villages and uninhabitad land parcels. In the case of the post-1918 Romanian-Hungarian and Romanian-Yugoslav borders, the new frontier, with very few exceptions strictly followed the former Austro-Hungarian local administrative limits. In case you can't find a list of the claimed settlements, I suggest you to go after the ethnic boundary (something simillar to this: http://www.royaltombs.dk/ukraina/ukraina_hist1.gif).
My map is just an example of a possible Ukrainian claim. I left the administrative territory of Shepit and Seletin in Ukraine, but returned the northern parts of Straja and Vicovu de Sus to Romania.
The Mures, Harghita and Covasna ethnic map was based on the preliminary census results, available on the websites of the county statistical directions: http://www.bistrita.insse.ro/main.php?page=_judete The final results (which will not differ very significantly from the preliminary results) will be published somewhere this summer or autumn.
Andrein 20:51, 23 March 2012 (EET)

I was trying to be helpful, not to push you over Wiki policies. When I said to go after the ethnic border, I had in mind exactly 2 or 3 maps from your reference list.

Again, I must question you how on Earth is it possible that a highly approximate and questionable border claim can be identical or nearly identical to the 1940 frontier? Do you have any sources saying that the 1940 border was based on the 1918 WUPR claim? If you don't, than your border and your map are Original Research and should not be used for any wiki articles.

In the end you should decide if you want to depict the Ukrainian claim or the Ukrainian area of control. In the first case you should include Bukovina in its entirely, while in the second case you ought to limit the border to the northern and north-western stretch of Bukovina.

Andrein 22:06, 23 March 2012 (EET)

Fine, if you trust your selected sources and believe this is how the southern border of the WUPR should be depicted, than I won't continue arguing with you anymore. Best wishes. Andrein 22:50, 23 March 2012 (EET)

SvgEdit

Nisam ja toliko vest. Ali mozes probati ovde Commons:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop -- Bojan  Talk  19:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Malo onako spamuj onaj tvoj zahtev, pre ce ljudi primetiti. Recimo dodaj sta pise ispod orla ili tako nesto. Nego mozes li da prevedes na naski clanke o svim kvartovima Novog Sada, napravio sam lep sablon, specijalno za NS i BG. -- Bojan  Talk  06:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Mozda bi moglo da prodje, posto je to slika dvodimenzionalnog predmeta koji je star vise od 150 godina. -- Bojan  Talk  21:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Pa PD-OLD vazi u ovom slucaju. Taj grb je nastao 1848, a njegov tvorac sigurno nije poziveo do 1. januara 1954. A jos preciznije je {{PD-Art|PD-old-70}} -- Bojan  Talk  20:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Ne ynam stavrno. Moyda ce se to vremenom ispraviti. Najbitnije je da se poslednji fajl prikayuje u clancima. -- Bojan  Talk  01:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

FotosiEdit

Poslao sam nešto od onih fotki koje si tražio. Svetlo nije bilo baš najbolje, ali mogu proći. micki 19:31, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, ubacio sam ih u članke. Hvala na saradnji. :) PANONIAN (talk) 04:41, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

InvitationEdit

Hi! Would you like to participate at the discussion regarding the main map on Central Europe article? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:CentralEurope.png . By your opinion, which areas should be colored in dark green and which one in light green? Iaaasi (talk) 17:09, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

MapaEdit

Mogę w każdej chwili poprawić mapę, jeśli będzie to merytorycznie uzasadnione, posiadam oryginalny plik wektorowy. Z tej dyskusji nie bardzo rozumiem o jaką datę chodzi. Mogę prosić o dokładniejsze wyjaśnienie o jaką zmianę chodzi? Jednocześnie z góry uprzedzam, iż nie będę przedstawiał żadnych koncepcji "Wielkich Węgier" nie mających jakiegokolwiek oparcia w polskich źródłach. Pozdrawiam Poznaniak (dyskusja) 18:59, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


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File:Crimea republic map.pngEdit

Hi!

Thank you for your work, but, please, note that actual borders of Sevastopol municipality are differen from those, you have drawn on your map. You can see actual borders here. Don Alessandro (talk) 22:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

However, please clarify something for me: did borders of Sevastopol changed recently?
No. Borders, that are very close to current ones were set in 1957. Since than they were changed slightly in late 1980s (1988 or 1989, I don't know exactly) when two villages of neighbour Bakhchisaray raion were given to Sevastopol municipality. Don Alessandro (talk) 15:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Serbia Maps sort_keysEdit

Hi Panonian. I reverted the sort_keys that you added to my maps as they were badly formed. Somehow they had your versions of the map in them. I can't see any reason to add them anyway as the maps already appear in the category you list and the order is unimportant. So please do not try and add them again. XrysD (talk) 19:08, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

If you are so keen to group the maps together in the category you can simply add a sort_key to your version that references mine. That way they will all appear together, and the original (mine) will be listed first not the derivative (yours). XrysD (talk) 19:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Kingdom of PrilepEdit

Hello, I will try to make the SVG version of the the new map sometime this week if I have the time. Regards.--Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 07:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Done!--Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 16:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! If you want to give SVG a try (I must say I am no expert), I would suggest you take a look at inkscape. I find it rather easy to use...--Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 10:51, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I suppose it is a question of habit... By the way, the new version of the second map is now in place.--Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 21:35, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

JLicencaEdit

Ja mislim da je to public domain jer je obljavljeno pre 1923. vidi Template:PD-1923. Naravno, najbolje bi bilo kada bi je ti nacrtao, posto umes dobro da crtas, samo koliko imas vremena, to je problem. -- Bojan  Talk  05:38, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

useful link, banat uprisingEdit

Štokavski dijalektiEdit

Zdravo, dugo nismo pričali :). Pogledom na demografski kartu BiH, kod opštine Livno zapaža se na zapadu srpsko stanovništvo (plava boja), pa sam na osnovu toga ispravio istočno-hercegovački dijalekat. Takođe, obuhvatio sam i kninsko selo Strmicu u Hrvatskoj koja je takođe naseljeno srpkim stanovništvom. Ako sam pogrešio, molim te za odgovor. Pozdrav, --Pokrajac (talk) 08:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, hvala. --Pokrajac (talk) 12:04, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Your license tag on the Italian Social Republic map indicates it is free for people to modify without asking for permissionEdit

I provided sources for the material, included the sources on the info section, and you have reverted it on the grounds that it should be uploaded separately. That will cause needless duplication of images. And as noted above, your license tag on the image clearly states "The person who associated a work with this deed has dedicated the work to the public domain by waiving all of his or her rights to the work worldwide under copyright law, including all related and neighboring rights, to the extent allowed by law. You can copy, modify, distribute and perform the work, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission.". So if you are reneging your license agreement on the image, I suggest that you replace the license tag with one that says that your permission is required to change the file.--R-41 (talk) 22:58, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Why do you disagree with the modifications?--R-41 (talk) 23:13, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Pitanje u vezi karte "Srpske zemlje u 9. veku"Edit

Poštovani, zanima me na osnovu kog izvora ste izradili kartu "Srpske zemlje u 9. veku"? Naime, počeo sam sa uređivanjem teksta u vezi Duklje i primetio da je postavljena vaša karta. Međutim, nameravam da je uklonim iz prostog razloga zato što u 9. veku nisu zabeležene navedene zemlje, već u 10. veku, tako da karta najviše nalikuje opisu Porfirogenitovog DAI. Potom, ono što najviše bode oči jeste nepostojeća zemlja "Panonska Hrvatska". Tu zemlju niko nikada nije zabeležio, već je ona plod mašte nekih hrvatskih istoričara (na osnovu jednog pomena Porfirogenita o odlasku jednog dela Hrvata u Panoniju), koja se, na žalost, specifičnom propagandom premestila i u udžbenike i knjige mnogih drugih stranih autora. Čak i neki vodeći hrvatski stručnjaci za srednji vek, poput Nade Klaić, osporavaju postojanje bilo kakve "Panonske Hrvatske". U prvoj polovini 9. veka, u Ajnhardovim "Analima", pominje se Ljudevit, koji je knez Donje Panonije (postojale su provincije Gornja i Donja Panonija u to vreme, koje su zauzete od strane Franaka). Pozdrav. --Zmaj Vretanijski (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

InvitationEdit

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HelpEdit

The editor Borsoka is contesting one your maps, please make some clarifications here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Romania_in_the_Early_Middle_Ages. Thanks in advance TheDacian (talk) 14:23, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Request for helpEdit

Hello! I'd like to draw a map starting from this http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/550061_589363957744688_637566076_n.jpg. Can you help me? What program should I use? Iaaasi (talk) 10:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


Šumadija unutar SrbijeEdit

Bog!

s obziron da si već napravi ovu kartu:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sumadija_region.png

onda bi li moga da se vidi unutar granica Srbije -bar otprilike??

na osnovu ovakve karte npr:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Serbia_Varvarin.png

Poput ove di se vidi koji dio Njemačke spada pod Švabiju http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Modern_Swabia-map Quahadi Añtó 09:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


Ova karta je OK ali samo dilomično. Ne vidi se uopće koji gradovi spadaju tamo. Bar oni veći. I ni jasno na toj karti je li to zemljopisno-kulturna razdioba ili na nikoj drugoj osnovi (upravna, jezična)Quahadi Añtó 09:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Serbian Vojvodina - illustration request completeEdit

Hi, I've completed your Illustration Workshop request. Please check if everything is all right. Thanks!

--Jembezmamy (talk) 12:50, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

February 2013Edit

A thread has been posted on COM:AN/U concerning your recent conduct. Regards --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:54, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

E ja yaboravio na ono. Prebacio sam. -- Bojan  Talk  05:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Belgrade MapEdit

✓ Done, thanks for informing me:-) --باسم (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Belgrád kerületeiEdit

Zdravo! Samo stari grad nije dobro, to je Óváros. Község se žnači općina ili selo, kerület je engleski district. Pozdrav. Zastava S. Jugoslavije.png Szajci pošta 15:55, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Hm, imam jednu novu ideju. Pitaj mađarske novine u Vojvodini. Oni znaju sve. Novi Beograd je na mađarskom Novi Beograd. Da opštine Beograda je "Belgrád község". Zastava S. Jugoslavije.png Szajci pošta 17:43, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Kretanje snaga jvuo 1945.pngEdit

G'day PANONIAN, Any chance you'd do an English version of this map for use on en WP? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (talk) 03:56, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Chetnik liberated mapEdit

Panonian, user Peacemaker67 is questioning the map as unsourced. See this discussion... FkpCascais (talk) 02:03, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I cannot help there, I left en wikipedia. PANONIAN (talk) 09:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Anyway, my main source was a map from a book named "Ravnogorska istorija", which is same as this map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sh/7/77/Četničko_ostrvo_slobode.jpg I hope this helps. PANONIAN (talk) 09:51, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Јој моја грешка, извини --НиколаБ (talk) 15:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


Не разумем шта хоћеш и не разумем зашто то хоћеш. Име фајла лепо каже File:Location map of Sandzak within Serbia and Montenegro.png и мапа то треба и да приказује. Nikola (talk) 12:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Дупликати могу бити обрисани за више година, ако их ико примети. И даље нејасно зашто би ова слика са Косовом стајала под оним именом а не под овим. Таман да Србија сутра призна Косово, у доба СЦГ Косово није било независно те на мапи мора бити и Косово. Nikola (talk) 17:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Dear PANONIAN. Happy New Year! It is nice, that you like our historicsl maps. You have two ways to get more informations: 1) open this map https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_map_of_Iran_328_BC.svg and click on it in order to get better image and description. 2) you can go to my web-site and find all my maps, including maps of Iran http://www.lena-dvorkina.narod.ru/_tbkp/ASIA/Iran/G_875_Iran.html Best regards, Istkart

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slavonia and ...Edit

Sorry, but the politics-demo situatione during past time in this region is more confuse as you think. Camyllae, 7.02.14

File:Crimea republic map.pngEdit

Hallo PANONIAN, I can understand that you "save" your graphic, but I worked in compliance with the official guidelines Commons:CROP and Commons:Exif. The white border and the caption belong not in the picture. I see no improvement in the original version from you. Greetings --Ras67 (talk) 23:58, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Files nominated for deletionEdit

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Hello PANONIAN. Thank you for your work on (Iraqi) Kurdistan maps. Can you...

Thank you.--Çalak talk 12:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Kumanovo UprisingEdit

Hi! Is there any chance you would want to help making a map of the Kumanovo Uprising?--Zoupan (talk) 22:36, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Stvarno nemam ni jedan takav izvor. I don't have such sources.--Zoupan (talk) 02:06, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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Zoupan (talk) 17:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Đurađ Branković's possessions in HungaryEdit

Đurađ Branković's possessions (underlined) in Hungary.--Zoupan (talk) 22:19, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

File:Banatski ustanak.pngEdit

Is there a possibility that you could line the administrative borders in the image? It would be constructive. Thank you, keep up the good work!--Zoupan (talk) 03:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

File:Pagania Zahumlje Travunia Duklja.pngEdit

It seems that Ceha (talk · contribs) disputes your map, having uploaded his own version.--Zoupan (talk) 01:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

File:Kosovo03.pngEdit

Sanjak of Novi Pazar was under Austro-Hungarian occupation, which should be noted in the image (dual colours, pink/yellow). You have uploaded this map of the sanjak.--Zoupan (talk) 16:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

PaganijaEdit

Sorry, radio sam drugu kartu (onu dijalektalnu), pa sam ti dao krivi link. Ovo sam ti mislio dati http://free-zg.t-com.hr/Andelko/Slike/DAIzupanije.jpg . Avojevska granica kod Imotskog nasred Imotskog polja nema smisla, a lokalne vlasti; http://bolji-ljubuski.com/tragom-proslosti/item/824-srednjovjekovni-grad-ljubuski.html https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinovci Tvrde da se hr. prostirala da Neretve. https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imota Ona prva karta (po kojoj si kasnije mijenjao kartu) je starije gledište hr povjesničara... --Čeha (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

p.s. evo ti još par karata na tu temu; Klaićkina karta s hrvatskom do Konjica;
http://www.google.hr/imgres?imgurl=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/krilnik/Klaic-PHursv.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?p%3D3933433&h=405&w=508&tbnid=EsbQsgTYHFfb-M:&zoom=1&docid=eYnY_DgaRQTdaM&itg=1&ei=tlBWVaWNGceuswGvrYCwDQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CBoQMygSMBI4rAI
Karte koje govore o početku 9.st-a, mislim da su korištene u dokumentarcu hr. kraljevi (bitna su Liburnija i Dalmacija na Neretvi)
http://www.google.hr/imgres?imgurl=http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotografija/albums/userpics/10001/Sl_%2525201_%252520Liburnija%252520i%252520Dalmacija%252520u%252520doba%252520Borne.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?p%3D52079344&h=1255&w=1416&tbnid=hhVcA67Cwby0aM:&zoom=1&docid=i--dMmZgP2hO1M&ei=2lFWVZO7OeGiyAOo1oDwCA&tbm=isch&ved=0CHcQMyhWMFY
Geografski profil Imotskog polja;
http://asimkamber.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/geografske-karta.jpg
Kasnije karte tog područja;
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hr/a/a0/Kre%C5%A1imirova_Hrvatska_1070.jpg
Biskupijske granice;
http://www.vrilo-mudrosti.hr/razno/vm-karta-crkva%20uoci%20turskih%20osvajanja.jpg

--Čeha (talk) 20:17, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Ova zadnja karta koju si dao je (ako se ne varam) goldsteinovo djelo. Karta je poprilično neprecizna, što se i vidi na primjeru Bosne.
Uglavnom, noviji trend je micanje granica Hrvatske do Neretve, što bi bilo više u skladu s DAIem, a uostalom, tako se slažu i sa srpskim izvorima o granicama Zahumlja... Mislim da je prvenstveni razlog tomu teren...
Ili hrvatski povjesničari kopiraju srpske :)

--Čeha (talk) 20:40, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Nešto ovog tipa ? http://oi62.tinypic.com/i2k611.jpg
Ma problem je da se većina povjesničara slaže da je granica Zahumlja bila na Neretvi, zato sam dao i ovaj izvor koji je korišten u hr. kraljevima http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotografija/albums/userpics/10001/Sl_%201_%20Liburnija%20i%20Dalmacija%20u%20doba%20Borne.jpg

A to je početak 9.st-a. Rekao bi da Klaićka pretjeruje. A kombinacija bi bila još gora; http://oi59.tinypic.com/2rg25j9.jpg

Također, kao što se primjećuje kod Golsteina, http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotografija/albums/userpics/10001/Sl_%202_%20Zupe%20Lika,%20Gacka%20i%20Krbava%20u%20srednjem%20vijeku.jpg Biokovo je granica Neretve, ona nejde skoro da Rame...
Dakle karta je kombinacija tri izvora;
Originalne karte iz hr. povijesnih zemljovida; http://www.croatia-in-english.com/images/maps/tomislav.jpg
Širenja granica hr. do rijeke Neretve, kao što je prikazano u hr.kraljevima; http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotografija/albums/userpics/10001/Sl_%201_%20Liburnija%20i%20Dalmacija%20u%20doba%20Borne.jpg
Smanjivanja Paganije/Neretve do Biokova, čime se bavi Goldstein i srpski izvori; http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotografija/albums/userpics/10001/Sl_%202_%20Zupe%20Lika,%20Gacka%20i%20Krbava%20u%20srednjem%20vijeku.jpg

--Čeha (talk) 23:49, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Ove 3 verzije su ok. Ako hoćeš, napravi još i Goldsteinovu verziju.
Ovo je karta iz kasne antike http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotografija/albums/userpics/10001/Sl_%201_%20Liburnija%20i%20Dalmacija%20u%20doba%20Borne.jpg , ali se koristi u dokumentarcu hr. kraljevi u opisu područja kojima vlada Borna (knez Dalmacije i Liburnije)... --Čeha (talk) 16:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Super, tnx. --Čeha (talk) 22:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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