Commons:Valued image candidates/6836 Le Caroni.jpg

6836 Le Caroni.jpg

declined
Image  
Nominated by Berru (talk) on 2010-02-10 21:29 (UTC)
Scope Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope:
Caroní River
Used in Global usage
Reason The only pictures where the river itself is shown in Commons. Other pictures show dams and falls, mainly Llovizna and Cachamai. Here we see the river as it streches it's rather untamed flow through the forest. -- Berru (talk)
Review
(criteria)
  •   Comment It's somewhat difficult to say if the nominated image illustrates the Caroní River well enough (criterion 3), because "one of the characteristics of her water is the dark color, caused by the high amount of humic acids due to the incomplete decomposition of the phenol content of the vegetation. The Caroni therefore belongs to the blackwater rivers." according to en:Caroní River. Can we tell that this main feature appears clearly here? (in comparison, see the dark color in those images: 1 and 3, showing the confluence with the Orinoco river however). The fact that it is pictured during he low-water period due to the dry season might be a difficulty to reach criterion 3 too. --Myrabella (talk) 18:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Dry season levels of a river is not more neither less typical than wet season level. Both season last around 6 month. The caroni river is a black river, but it true that this is not very visible in this picture. Nevertheless, it is the color it did have when I took it. I have other images of the Caroni taken the same day, and the color always is like coffe with milk. And it is the Caroni... In the Gurri lake, the color of the water is dark. bellow this lake, the river is dark, but it became more a staircase of dam lakes than a river. A river starts as a small stream and sometimes finishes as something enormous. It is very difficult to have a 'typical' view of the river. Here, we have an image of an unremarkable strech of the midstream of the Caroni. --Berru (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's often hard to have a 'typical' view of the chosen scope, but it's the aim and ideal of VIs :-) It seems that being a black river is a strong characteristic of that river; a second one is to be suited to generating hydroelectric energy. That NASA image is an interesting candidate in this respect. It is poorly documented in Commons but fully commented here. Perhaps the scope would deserve a MVR. --Myrabella (talk) 20:35, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose Criterion 3 not met, IMO, see dicussion above. I also vote for keeping this nomination open—this case is interesting! I intend to set up a MVR but the possible alternative image needs to be more documented, and I need a small delay to do it. --Myrabella (talk) 13:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am of course a bit biased since this is a picture I made, but I would like to make two comments. First, a general comment about plane/ground photography versus satellite. Be carefull not to alway chose satellite images: they are too abstract in my opinion. Concerning the Caroni river, it is a > 770 km long river finishing with a large dam lake and a dam staircase totaling 200 km. The 570 km of unspoiled wild river are also part of the Caroni river...--Berru (talk) 10:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
MVR Scores: 
1. 6836 Le Caroni.jpg: -1 <--
2. Embalse Guri.JPG: +1
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File:6836 Le Caroni.jpg: Declined. <--
File:Embalse Guri.JPG: Promoted.
--Myrabella (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]