Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Ruine Neideck PA300138-PSD.jpg
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- Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Places/Architecture/Castles and fortifications
- Info all by Ermell -- Ermell (talk) 11:40, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support -- Ermell (talk) 11:40, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support Now this one I like; lovely light and colours, the composition is great too. :) --Peulle (talk) 12:30, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support -- Johann Jaritz (talk) 12:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - Great, except that it seems to my eyes to be slanted down to the left. Optical illusion on my part? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Oversharpened a bit everywhere, mostly in the sky. In reality nothing looks so sharpened.Paolobon140 (talk) 13:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Paolobon140, I'm not sure I understand your oppose here. I see a very high contrast scene, and possibly that is enhanced (+ Clarity, say) but hard to tell here as the light should be high contrast already. But I don't see the artefacts one would expect from over-sharpening -- there's no noise in the sky nor halo round high-contrast edges. The lens used here (7mm, equivalent to 14mm on a full frame) is an ultra-wide so I'd expect large depth-of-field giving near-to-far sharpness, excellent centre sharpness but less good towards the edges. -- Colin (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment Der Colin, the pic iss absolutely overshaped, nothing in real looks so sharp, even the sky. Its not a matter of lenses, cameras, mm, focus, apreture. This pic is so sharpened with Photosho that looks more like a cartoon, in my opinion. ANd, more, there must have been something interesting around the ruins to show, as the ruins themselves arae not an interesting subject, at least for me. Paolobon140 (talk) 13:16, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Paolobon140, I can only think we are talking about different things. When I think of sharpening I'm thinking of (sub)pixel contrast enhancement. I suspect what you are complaining of is local (a region of several pixels) contrast enhancement which with Adobe Lightroom and ACR is achieved using the Clarity control. This can indeed make textures look hyper-real and artificial and perhaps that has happened here. Would Ermell tell us if the image has been boosted in that way, or with some sharpening tool? The EXIF data doesn't indicate any clear adjustment because it has been through four programs (Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.12, Adobe Photoshop CC 2017, Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 9.12, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.7) and the last one didn't apply any adjustments that are recorded. -- Colin (talk) 15:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment @Colin: @Paolobon140: In Lightroom I corrected perspective, raised the shadows and reduced the lights. Then in Photoshop I removed some lensflares and branches sticking into the picture and then sharpened the picture with Nik sharpener which might not have been necessary. In Lightroom I reduced the highlights again. Sorry for answering so late, I didn't follow the dialogue properly.--Ermell (talk) 09:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the details Ermell. I'm not familiar with Nik sharpener to be able to spot its flaws so well as with the Adobe sharpening. But still, I don't see any evidence the sky is sharpened, which seems to be Paolobon140 criticism. -- Colin (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- I always skip the sky when sharpening because it usually doesn't make sense like in this case.--Ermell (talk) 09:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the details Ermell. I'm not familiar with Nik sharpener to be able to spot its flaws so well as with the Adobe sharpening. But still, I don't see any evidence the sky is sharpened, which seems to be Paolobon140 criticism. -- Colin (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment @Colin: @Paolobon140: In Lightroom I corrected perspective, raised the shadows and reduced the lights. Then in Photoshop I removed some lensflares and branches sticking into the picture and then sharpened the picture with Nik sharpener which might not have been necessary. In Lightroom I reduced the highlights again. Sorry for answering so late, I didn't follow the dialogue properly.--Ermell (talk) 09:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- Paolobon140, I can only think we are talking about different things. When I think of sharpening I'm thinking of (sub)pixel contrast enhancement. I suspect what you are complaining of is local (a region of several pixels) contrast enhancement which with Adobe Lightroom and ACR is achieved using the Clarity control. This can indeed make textures look hyper-real and artificial and perhaps that has happened here. Would Ermell tell us if the image has been boosted in that way, or with some sharpening tool? The EXIF data doesn't indicate any clear adjustment because it has been through four programs (Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.12, Adobe Photoshop CC 2017, Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 9.12, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.7) and the last one didn't apply any adjustments that are recorded. -- Colin (talk) 15:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Support --Uoaei1 (talk) 13:56, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 14:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support Side light brings out the detail in the wood and stones. -- Colin (talk)
- Support Christian Ferrer (talk) 16:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support PumpkinSky talk 17:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support Poco2 19:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support Very nice -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support --Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 16:45, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Qualified support I wish more could have been done to tamp down the highlight on the clouds at upper right, but realistically I don't think you could go much further than this without making other compromises. Daniel Case (talk) 17:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support I cant see any sharpening effects. Defishing from 7 mm, I think more than good. --Mile (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support Really very nice. Jacopo Werther iγ∂ψ=mψ 14:00, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support -- Llez (talk) 06:43, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support − Meiræ 04:10, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
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