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This workshop is part of the Graphics Lab, a project aimed at picture retouching to improve the graphical content of the Wikimedia projects. More information about the lab can be found on its main page and requests pages (Illustrations ; Photographs ; Maps ; Video and Sound). To ask questions or make a suggestions, see the talk page of the graphic lab page.

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Excel .xlsx spreadsheets that automatically generate XML code for .SVG graphicsEdit

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General concept above; examples below.
Warming stripes (composite)
Line charts
Bar chart (vertical)
Pie chart

I've uploaded .xlsx (Microsoft Excel) spreadsheets that automatically generate XML code for charts in SVG format.

You simply paste your X-Y data into the spreadsheet, and specify image dimensions, number of grid lines, font sizes, etc. The spreadsheet instantly and automatically generates a column of XML code that you simply copy and paste into a text editor and save as an ".svg" file. It produces lean SVG code, avoiding the "extra stuff" that Inkscape inserts, and should save you time.

Feedback and suggestions on my talk page are welcome. RCraig09 (talk) 23:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Click HOW TO for detailed explanation.
  • Warming stripes (download v3.8) produces XML code for applications of Ed Hawkins' warming stripes graphics. User chooses vertical or horizontal stripes; or concentric ellipses, globes (with longitude lines/meridians), hearts, triangles, diamonds, rectangles, pentagrams/stars, hexagons, or octagons; chooses normal or reverse data ordering (updated 3 June 2021).       Click here to see examples of warming stripes embedded in different shapes.
  • Line charts (download v2.2)— Accepts up to five datasets for LINE charts (example at right) (updated 12 June 2021).
  • Vertical bar charts (column charts) (download v1.1)— Accepts up to six datasets for VERTICAL BAR CHARTS (COLUMN CHARTS)—toggle between clustered and stacked charts; user can adjust "Yfloor"—the Y level (usually=0) from which columns rise or fall; user chooses to keep or ignore negative input values (example at right) (updated 30 April 2021).
  • Horizontal bar charts (download v1.0)— Accepts up to six datasets for HORIZONTAL BAR CHARTS—toggle between clustered and stacked charts; user can adjust "Yfloor"—the value (usually=0) from which bars extend; user chooses to keep or ignore negative input values (updated 9 June 2021).
  • Scatter plots (download v1.0)— Accepts up to five datasets for SCATTER PLOTS (updated 14 June 2021).
  • Pie charts (download v1.0)— Accepts a series of up to 36 items for PIE CHARTS (updated 25 March 2021).

See examples in Category:SVG diagrams created with spreadsheet.

Arms of the House of Fisichella (convert to SVG)Edit

Article(s): en:Fisichella family

Request
Please, convert the 2016 image to SVG.
No background. Thanks, --Est. 2021 (talk) 12:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

  Request taken by Krupadeluxe (talk) 11:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)   Done

@Est. 2021, Krupadeluxe:
I'm unhappy with the licensing claims of these images.

  1. I'd expect the 1875 image to be public domain, yet it has a CC-BY-SA 4.0 license. Maybe copyright laws are different in Italy, but border cropping, resizing, and converting to PNG are minimal effort.
  2. I'd expect the 1912 image to be public domain, yet it has a CC-BY-SA 4.0 license. Same rationale.
  3. The 2016 JPEG clearly deserves its CC-BY-SA license. However, the author is stated to be Massimo Ghirardi but the required attribution includes Daniele Fisichella. That suggests the uploader is not Ghirardi but rather Fisichella. The source of the image is "private correspondence". That suggests the uploader (now using Est. 2021) did not do the work but got it from Ghirardi in that "private correspondence".
  4. The 2016 PNG is a derivative (cropped, increased contrast, and format conversion) of the 2016 JPEG. It claims the author is now Daniele Fisichella, but the attribution line includes Ghirardi.
  5. The 2021 SVG is clearly a derivative of the last two, but it claims to be a CC-BY-SA 4.0 "own work" of Krupadeluxe with no mention of any of the earlier images. A derivative work does not erase the rights of the original work. Please follow the rules for CC-BY-SA artwork and credit the original author.

It looks like Ghirardi may be this person, who is a trained artist. If that is true, then it looks like an OTRS ticket is needed for the last three images. Glrx (talk) 19:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@Glrx:
You're absolutely right, my mistake. I've added the missing information. I'm not sure who I should attribute the licensing to though. (Krupadeluxe (talk) 00:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC))

@Krupadeluxe: Thanks for changing the info for File:Arms of the House of Fisichella.svg. Est. 2021 made some additional changes to show where you got the material to work on (the bitmap images rather than the private correspondence), and she removed the claim that the PNG was a derivative of the SVG. Glrx (talk) 16:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Glrx, Krupadeluxe: Sorry, I'm not good with licenses, but you're right, the 1871 and the 1912 images are legally public domain by now, while I (Daniele Fisichella) personally commissioned the 2016 image to the artist Massimo Ghirardi, who made it for me (that's why I chose to include his name in the license), and later I personally retouched and converted the jpg file to png. Thanks, Est. 2021 (talk) 03:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Est. 2021: Thanks for the work and the explanation. I do not know Italian copyright law. Under US law, the artist retains the copyright for commissioned works unless a contract states otherwise ("if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be con-sidered a work made for hire", https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ30.pdf). The JPEG file probably needs a COMMONS:OTRS ticket to show that Ghirardi has granted a free license. Glrx (talk) 16:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
It needs a ticket to show that he has granted a free license (i.e., he needs to personally send in a statement to OTRS indicating this), or it needs a ticket showing a contract that he has created the work as a work for hire, and has transferred the copyright to someone else (i.e., someone else needs to send in a ticket showing his signature on a contract transferring rights to them). Either one would be fine, but it should be one or the other, I believe. KDS4444 (talk) 04:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
@Est. 2021:
With no OTRS submission in a month and a half, reluctantly nominated for deletion:
request includes
Glrx (talk) 15:40, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
@Glrx: No, under Italian law I have the copyright. Est. 2021 (talk) 23:58, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
@Est. 2021: That would only be true if the image is an "industrial design". Please provide an authoritative interpretation of Article 12ter at the deletion request (DR) page. Debate here will not be seen by those who decide the DR. Glrx (talk) 01:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


  An email has been received at VRTS concerning this file, and can be read here by users with a VRTS account. However, the message was not sufficient to confirm permission for this file. This may, among other reasons, be because there was no explicit release under a free license, or the email address that the permission came from is not associated with the location where the content was originally published. For an update on the issue, please contact the user (Ruthven) who added this template to the page, or someone else with a VRTS account, or the VRT noticeboard. If a valid permission is not provided within 30 days of the first response by a VRT agent, this file will be deleted. Please do not file an additional deletion nomination for permission reasons.

Ticket link: https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketNumber=2021063010002551


Proposed flags of Norway (1821)Edit

Article(s)
Flag of Norway
Request
Could someone please create SVG files of the above proposals for the flag of Norway from 1821. More information on them can be seen on this page here. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinions
@Snow Lion Fenian:
Other source images can be found at Forslag til flagg, for year 1821. Those are same images, but with layout paper for color expectation. En rouge (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
I think that the second (2nd) proposal can simply be made by taking the flag of the Dominican Republic (or "Santo Domingo") and removing the coat of arms. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

England General Election Maps for 1997, 2001 and 2005Edit

Article(s): Various

Request
Please can maps be created in the same formula as above be created showing the results from the 1997, 2001 and 2005 UK General Election results within England not forgetting to change the boundaries to reflect those used at the time. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 09:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC))
Graphist opinion(s)

MOTORAL1987 Same as your request further down on this page. The graphic workers here do not do research for a request. It's always up to the requester to provide all the needed information to be able to fulfill the request. We have probably zero knowledge of your request but it might be your special interest so you have the knowledge to provide us with needed information. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:27, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

  • The 1997 U.K. general Election Result

  • The 2001 U.K. general Election Result

  • The 2005 U.K. general Election Result

  • All you need to do is remove the results from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and then use the same template for the England as I have provided for the 2019 result in England but using the 1997 boundaries (as 2019 boundaries are different to 1097) and then we would have a set of England only results for the years 1997, 2001 and 2005. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 13:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC))

    schematic sketch surge tank = WasserschlossEdit

    Article(s): de:Wasserschloss (Ingenieurwesen) and en:surge tank and es:Torre piezométrica and fr:Chambre d’équilibre

    Request
    The article en:surge tank and its localized versions lack a decent sketch like this one [3] for understanding. --Alex42 (talk) 17:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
    de:User:JuTe_CLZ pointed me to the third picture. But the surge tank in the picture should be more to the right, just before the valve. Even better would be an animation. --Alex42 (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
    Deutsch
    Dem Artikel de:Wasserschloss (Ingenieurwesen) fehlt eine Prinzipskizze, daher ist er nur scher verständlich. Das wurde schon 2008 auf der Diskussion angemerkt. --Alex42 (talk) 17:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
    translations
    english en en:water hammer en:surge tank en:valve valve destroyed upper lake
    upper reservoir
    lower lake tailrace closed aqueduct
    tunnel
    en:turbine
    deutsch de Druckstoß Wasserschloss Schieber Schieber zerstört Oberwasser Unterwasser Druckstollen Turbine
    français fr coup de bélier chambre d’équilibre vanne d'arrêt vanne d'arrêt détruite lac de retenue bassin aval conduite forcée turbine
    español es golpe de ariete torre piezométrica válvula de compuerta válvula de compuerta destruida serbatoio? fiume? tubería forzada turbina
    svenska sv svallschakt turbin
    italiano it colpo d'ariete pozzo piezometrico valvole valvole distrutta serbatoio? galleria di derivazione in pressione? turbina
    日本語 ja サージタンク
    中文(Traditional Chinese) zh 水錘 平壓塔 閥門 閥門損壞 封閉式水道 渦輸發動機
    your-language
    Graphist opinion(s)

    Alex42 Image 1 and 2 has copyright on them so they can only be used as information. Where the image uploaded here comes from exactly and/or if it had copyright there (if so it can not be uploaded here) I can't know. If you want an illustration and animation I can help you with that. If I accept this I will need your help during the process, so let me know, thanks. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 17:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

    Hi Goran tek-en, thanks for your offer. Is it possible, that i do a sketch on a piece of paper based on the three images, send it to you and you paint a SVG out of it? Perhaps i do 2-3 sketches (with only minor changes) to show the flow of the water? --Alex42 (talk) 18:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
      Request taken by Goran tek-en (talk) 15:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
    Extended content
    Alex42 I'm always depending on the requester's knowledge of the subject so that is just great. Just use "Email this user" on me and I will replay and then you can attach a photo or scan of your sketches, please try to make them with high resolution, thanks. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 15:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
    Hej då Goran tek-en, i made nine images: animation[1-9].png and one description.png, but the descriptions should be on every image. image gallery. --Alex42 (talk) 21:44, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
    Amendment: The areas with the blue and brown squares should be filled in. The red valve is so tiny it can barely be seen. To make it seen better, perhaps make it more bold and more intense red. If that does not help, an border to show the valve chamber (de:Schieberkammer) can be painted:valve closed valve open --Alex42 (talk) 07:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42 Thanks for illustrations and info. I will start with making each of the steps as svg files before making the animation. In this way I have more editing control and if we later on decide to upload the illustrations we can. First I will do one so we can agree on the overall look and size. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    Goran tek-enUploading the svg would be helpful to others too. --Alex42 (talk) 16:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Alex42, Goran tek-en: french ortho + added french terms En rouge (talk) 13:33, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    Merci ! --Alex42 (talk) 16:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42 I don't understand what images animation_1-3 has to do with what you asked for.
    • So this draft here is as a base illustration that we should agree on as it will be used for them all so check it also for size and so on. This would be your image animation4. This draft is a PNG version of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons. Draft 4-1-. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 17:20, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    Goran tek-en Surge tank, valve and turbine are looking really well. The shading of the water is great. animation_1-3 is to explain why a surge tank is needed in the first place, but it can be left out, if it is to much work. Can you draw the depth of the upper lake less deep? And double the falling height. The dimensions then do not resemble the reality, but it's easier to understand the problem. --Alex42 (talk) 21:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en: The Google Drive image has some issues. The aqueduct should not be near the surface of the upper lake; typically the draw is done near the bottom of the upper lake so that water is available when the lake is not full. Also, water drawn near the top of the lake will be low pressure, so pressure drop / hydralic gradient in the aqueduct is more of an issue. Increase the altitude of the upper lake and decrease the altitude of the lower lake. The aqueduct should not be such a large diameter, especially in relation to the surge tank diameter; just a short stretch of aqueduct will overwhelm the surge tank. The narrow inlet to the surge tank means the surge tank cannot accept a significant flow from the aqueduct. (There are orifice surge tanks with restricted inlets, but figure 11.2 of Chaudhury, Applied Hydraulic Transients, VNR 1979, shows surge tank inlets as similar in size to the aqueduct.) The rounded-top surge tank looks like it is closed off at the top; such closed surge tanks exist, but I do not think you intend to show one. The top of the surge tank should not be significantly higher than the upper lake level. The skinny surge tank inlet and fat penstock also means the surge tank will have trouble supplying a increase in demand by the turbine (it takes time to accelerate the water in the aqueduct; do not empty the surge tank before the aqueduct can supply the increaded demand). Chaudhury typically draws penstocks skinnier than the aqueduct. The bottom of the penstock is under higher pressure and can support a faster flow rate. It is not necessary to have the surge tank next to the valve as stated above. Glrx (talk) 23:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    p/s Typical turbines exhaust below; see File:Hydroelectric dam.svg. Glrx (talk) 23:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en, Glrx:Glrx' comments are correct, as far as i can see. And apparently he has more knowledge than me in this domain. @Glrx: Do the english words upper lake / lower lake / closed aqueduct fit or are there better words? Thanks for your time, Goran. --Alex42 (talk) 10:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42, Glrx This is a principal illustration of this. This means that not everything is illustrated in correct dimensions or is actual technically correct, that is a completely different thing. Of course it should be as close as it can to reality but not on the cost of not being legible or easy to understand. So I will use my knowledge and experience regarding this new information.
    Also it would had been great if this information was available to start with as this is extra work to me. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 15:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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    @Alex42, Goran tek-en: Chaudhury's "Figure 11.1 Schematic diagram of a hydroelectric power plant": "upper lake" → "reservoir", "closed aqueduct" → "tunnel", "surge tank" → "surge tank", "penstock" → "penstock", "turbine" → "turbine", and "lower lake" → "tailrace". To me, "lakes" are natural bodies of fresh water, and "reservoirs" are bodies of water formed by dams; more generally, a "reservoir" is a store of material. The diagram does not show any valves. In the book, Chaudhury uses the terms "pipe", "piping system", "open channel", and "tunnel" to carry fluid. To me, "pipe" is the typical manufactured product or the abstract idea, an "aqueduct" is a man-made usually open channel (Roman aqueduct), and "tunnel" is a closed channel that is cut through the earth. The tailrace is the discharge, and it is important that it not flood the powerhouse. In the en:Oroville Dam crisis, the tailrace (the Feather River) was clogging and threatening the powerhouse. The tailrace need not store water (that is, it need not be a lake). The Oroville Dam has a small downstream reservoir to control the flow down the Feather River. Here are some wikidata items. They should show your user language (uselang=de).

    Translations added to this section should be free of copyright claims (either CC0 or public domain).


    water hammer ≅ water hammer (Q826849)
    water hammer
    reservoir ≅ reservoir (Q131681)
    reservoir
    reservoir ≅ water reservoir (Q2551525)
    reservoir
    aqueduct ≅ aqueduct (Q474)
    aqueduct
    tunnel ≅ tunnel (Q44377)
    tunnel
    pipe ≅ pipe (Q41551)
    pipe
    surge tank ≅ surge tank (Q1368524)
    surge tank
    valve ≅ valve (Q208443)
    valve
    penstock ≅ penstock (Q1260995)
    penstock
    turbine ≅ turbine (Q130760)
    turbine
    tailrace ≅ tailrace (Q81282092)
    tailrace

    Glrx (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

    Alex42, Glrx Now I'm getting confused here.
    • Should I follow your sketches Alex42 or something else?
    • I don't really understand what you Glrx mean with your "word → word" and the stuff below because that is something else than what Alex42 sent me.
    • Alex42 is the requester here so I need you to tell me.
    • I really need clear instructions on what to illustrate, it's confusing right now. Give me clear straight information. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 17:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
     
    Walchensee
    @Goran tek-en, Glrx: The en:Walchensee Hydroelectric Power Station was model for the image. The terrain is a little bit exceptional there, see image to the right. It is not a blueprint for every hydroelectric plant. I think we should concentrate on the explanation of "surge tank" and the draft does this very well, also explains many other parts of a plant. Things to change:
    • The depth of the upper reservoir should be halved. (as Glrx said)
    • The altitude of the lower lake should be lowered. (as Glrx said) (I tried to use the dimensions of Walchensee, but that was a bad idea.)
    • The diameter of the aqueduct should be smaller to match the inlet of the surge tank. (as Glrx said)
    • The top of the surge tank should not be significantly higher than the upper lake level. (as Glrx said)
    • The rounded-top surge tank looks like it is closed off at the top. (as Glrx said)
    • Chaudhury typically draws penstocks skinnier than the aqueduct. (as Glrx said) This is already depicted correct.
    • Here is a sketch
    Regarding the technical terms:
    • closed aqueduct is not widely used, so tunnel is the better word.
    • upper lake, because upper reservoir is more general. (The Walchensee is natural, but this is the exception, mostly there are dams.)
    • It's no lower lake but a tailrace.
    --Alex42 (talk) 22:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Alex42, Goran tek-en: Instead of upper reservoir, use reservoir; there's only one reservoir. Glrx (talk) 22:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
    I am ok with this. --Alex42 (talk) 09:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42, Glrx Draft-2. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 18:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en, Alex42: When there is flow, the dashed red line should have a slight downward slope to reflect the head loss in the pipe. Glrx (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42, Glrx I don't agree with you Glrx as that dashed line is a level line, it shows a horisontal level to compare two sides of the hill, it has nothing to do with losses in the pipe. That is my understanding. The water level in the surge tank should be lowered a bit more to indicate that lost (lost in pressure) if I understand this process. That is one of the functions of the surge tank. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 12:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en, Alex42: Correct, the red line is horizontal, like a en:spirit level. And yes, there is a loss of pressure in the tunnel. The tunnel should be horizontal, since the rest of the picture shows a high head power plant. Otherwise Draft-2 is fine now. --Alex42 (talk) 17:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42 But I was told before that the tunnel should have a larger inclination than my first draft, which I added. So what is it, horizontal or angled? --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 17:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en: It has to be horizontal, because it is the style of a "pumped storage plant". A minor issue: The top of the surge tank should be flat and not convex. --Alex42 (talk) 17:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42 Draft-3. To me the top of the surge tank should be slightly rounded as it's a cylinder and the top inside is viewed a bit up. But I have made it straight as you wanted. Check this now and I will start with the next. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 18:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en: Beeing an idealized cross section the cylinder and the water inside should be flat (in stationary state). The draft looks good! --Alex42 (talk) 22:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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    Alex42 Here are the next four drafts referring to your sketches. I haven't added the in between that I might add to the animation, that's for later.

    @Goran tek-en: They are fine! --Alex42 (talk) 21:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42 I just realized I made mistake on the outlet, it can't be the same all the time. New drafts on the way. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 16:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42 Here are six new drafts referring to your sketches (numbers). Changes has been made within the tunnel, surge tank, tailrace, turbine, arrows, etc. The water flow in tunnel and surge tank has to change when the valve is closed. I have tried to think what will happen but I'm not sure I got it right. So really think and check them.
    @Goran tek-en:
    • 4 Valve open flow. Flow in tunnel is slow compared to penstock (pipe feeding turbine). I'd use short arrows in tunnel.
    • 5 Valve shut. (Real world shuts valve gradually.) OK (but I'd still use short arrows in tunnel).
    • 6 Flow diverts/starves. I'd draw a tunnel arrow bending into surge tank. Penstock has vacuum, but pipe should be empty just after the valve. The water is moving, so the vacuum forms behind the slug of water; the water does not stop instantly and stick to the pipe right after the valve.
    • 7 Tunnel stagnates; the tunnel arrow should disappear because there is no flow; the flow is about to reverse because the surge tank has water at higher pressure. Penstock is empty.
    • 8 Tunnel flow has reversed, so very short arrows should point to the left as surge tank drains back to the length.
    • 9 Stagnation. All good.
    Glrx (talk) 19:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
    Glrx Thanks for your information. I will use it and make changes.
    Alex42 I have been thinking, as we are working on this should we not do it for the full cycle: Valve open ⇒ valve closing ⇒ valve closed ⇒ valve opening ⇒ valve open. I think it will be a better animation. I will make drafts and show you if that's fine. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 09:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42 Here are now twelve illustrations of a full cycle. I have added arrows to show which way the valve is moving. I have also added some informativ text but you have to say if you want it, also when I do the animation it will be time depending so you can read them if we keep them. The numbering now is not related to your sketches any longer.
    @Goran tek-en, Glrx: I am sorry for my late reply.
    Depicting the full cycle is a great idea.
    Also good: the arrows to show which way the valve is moving.
    I have also added some informativ text but you have to say if you want it. I like it.
    The numbering now is not related to your sketches any longer. That is fine.
    Answer to Glrx ideas:
    4 Valve open flow. Flow in tunnel is slow compared to penstock (pipe feeding turbine). I'd use short arrows in tunnel. One possibility, but Goran_tek's pale and dark arrows are also ok.
    5 Valve shut. (Real world shuts valve gradually.) The gradually closing valve is a good idea. And it's nice depicted in 2-3-4.png
    I have a few remarks about 1-11.png but will write tomorrow. --Alex42 (talk) 20:48, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
    Alex42 Could we continue on this? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

    Batavia's flagEdit

    Article(s): Batavia (Indonesian, but it can be used in English version too)

    Request
    Could someone recreated two Batavia's flag (image 1 and image 2, fig. 212) in vectorized version? Thanks. AnsyahF (talk) 01:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
    Graphist opinion(s)
    @AnsyahF: Hi!
    1. FYI, I've found this picture of the first flag. It corresponds to the french text description #212. But it doesn't seems in accordance with the drawing fig. 212. What is your opinion? Thanks En rouge (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
    2. And, what about the svg version of the escutcheon?
    1. @En rouge: At first I didn't believe about that, but I found the colored one and it confirmed your findings. Seems the author don't have the image colored.
      (By the way, your "first" flag is likely originated from Nieuwe Tafel van Alle de Zeevarende Vlagge des Werelts. See the bottom part, third from left)
    2. The escutcheon is taken from File:Coat of Arms of Batavia (1930).svg. Both of these SVG are created by same author. The author said that he took some freedom to draw these coat of arms as long as it fits the blazon (verbal description). So, I think it's OK. AnsyahF (talk) 05:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
    @AnsyahF, En rouge:, I found a different "Flag of Batavia" in this flag chart from 1864. It looks similar to the first image, but the field within the coat of arms of Batavia is blank. But note that a lot of the flags in this chart are inaccurate, for example the Kingdoms of "Holland" and Belgium don't typically have their coats of arms, furthermore, I have noticed a lot more errors in the flag chart, but it does show an alternative flag of Batavia. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
    @Donald Trung: I like it, but it would be nice if you standardize the "escutcheon" theme to paper-style (for example). AnsyahF (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
    And what about the ratio of the flags to be changed to be like this flag? Do you mind? AnsyahF (talk) 02:12, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
    @AnsyahF:, my bad, I forgot to add my standard disclaimer that I am not a WikiGraphist, well, not a very skilled one. 😅 I created the concept image as a reference for WikiGraphists to work with. Ever since discovering this page I just wanted to help out in whatever small way I could as I asked quite a lot of requests when I "got started" here and I am trying to expand my Inkscape skills. But for whatever reason I cannot change the proportions of images in Inkscape (which is why I rarely take on flag requests) and I tried to create "as close an approximation" as I could with how I know Inkscape works. Also I hated how this request got ignored for so long, but unfortunately I can't help beyond what I did above.   --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
    @Donald Trung: I'm sorry for pushing you a bit hard, I understand it. And I want to say thank you for making the concept. I used your concept as reference to new flag that I just created. I managed to standardize the element theme though it needs more file from the others. Moreover, this flag is documented on several flag charts and it was described as naval flag, and it shows transparent background of the herald (look at the gallery to find out more). AnsyahF (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


    Holkham National Nature Reserve Map to SVGEdit

    Article(s): Various

    Request
    Please can this map be converted into a SVG file and have its details updated as it’s now a little out of date as it was a homemade map. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 10:49, 30 May 2021 (UTC))
    Graphist opinion(s)

    MOTORAL1987 The graphic workers here do not do research for a request. It's always up to the requester to provide all the needed information to be able to fulfill the request. We have probably zero knowledge of your request but it might be your special interest so you have the knowledge to provide us with needed information. --always ping me--Goran tek-en (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

    Faraweyne COAEdit

    Article(s): en:Faraweyne

    Request
    Could someone please create SVG file of Faraweyne Coa.
    Many Thanks… --Siirski (talk) 18:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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    Greater Coat of Arms of the Russian Empire (convert to SVG)Edit

    Article(s): en:Coat of arms of Russia

    Request
    Could someone please convert svg of this 3 coa.
    Many Thanks… --Siirski (talk) 23:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
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    Please fix errors in emblem of Garda SíochánaEdit

    Article(s): en:Garda Síochána, ca:Garda Síochána, et al.

    Request
    The current emblem for the Garda Síochána (the Irish national police) contains a number of errors.
    • The first error is that the name is wrong. The current graphic says Sarda Síochána. This is likely because the original graphic used the insular G (Ᵹ), which at first blush can look a lot like an S.
    • Letters are inconsistent in their size, positioning, and shape.
    • Text baselines are inconsistent (e.g. the 'na' in the lower left and the 'hÉireann' in the lower right)
    • The triquetras are slightly lopsided. While some of that imbalance is found on the original (in order to make a negative space cross), these are also slightly lopsided laterally as well.
    • The GS letter mark in the centre could likely use a bit of smoothing
    As a reference, this is the current emblem being used by the Gardai on social media and elsewhere [4]. This version opts to no longer use the insular G/Ᵹ and moved toward a more anglicised G. This version also makes the triquetras balanced (i.e. isometric) and uniform.
    Thank you for your attention. --73.254.89.77 06:45, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
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    Create SVG version of woodprintEdit

    Could someone create an svg version of this woodprint and made it all black? Thanks. Languageseeker (talk) 23:15, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

    @Languageseeker:   Done File:Shen of the Sea Dragon.svg. Pbrks (talk) 15:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
    @Pbrks: Can you fix the "EH" (illustrator Else Hasselriis (1878-1953) / Else Hasselriis (Q107282264)) at the lower left? The E merges with the border.
    @Languageseeker: The license claims in the Category:Shen of the Sea often include the statement "This work is in the public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 70 years or fewer." The information box says author is Chrisman, Arthur Bowie, 1889-1953. The US-published book is PD, but the author died less than 70 years ago. {{PD-old-auto-expired}}, en:Shen of the Sea,, Arthur Bowie Chrisman (Q4798061).
    Glrx (talk) 16:59, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
    @Languageseeker: All set! Pbrks (talk) 14:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

    Coat of arms of the Lính tậpEdit

    Article(s): [[]] (Dunno, Musée Annam socks will gradually add them).

    Request
    While patrolling a Musée Annam sock I came across this addition:
    Now I did my own investigation… I don't think that it's illegitimate (as this Globally Locked Sockmaster is known for uploading a lot of fantasies, but also almost 75% (seventy-five percent) of alk the good flags and coat of arms of Vietnam here on Wikimedia Commons are here thanks to this Globally Locked Sockmaster, so I have mixed feelings about him). As this is what I suspect is kind of the intent of this person I will request this creation here. If anyone doubts the legitimacy of this coat of arms I will be open to research it further (after I am done researching this Globally Locked Sockmaster's other assertions as they make a lot of claims but rather than uploading the sources, which are often PD, they will just make a PNG and call it a day). --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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    Ocean thermostatEdit

    Article(s): en:Ocean dynamical thermostat

    Request
    Is it possible to make a freely licenced equivalent of this image? --Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
    Graphist opinion(s)

    Jo-Jo Eumerus I could probably help you but I don't understand that illustration. You would have to explain it to me and be available for feedback during the time I make it. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

    @Goran tek-en:Well, I need only an equivalent of that image. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
    Jo-Jo Eumerus As this source is not free we can't make a "copy" of it. To me that illustration is not very nice looking or easy to understand any way. So if you want a "copy" I can't help you. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:32, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

    Flag hybridEdit

    Article(s): Flag of Rhodesia and Flag of South Africa (1928–1994)

    Request
    Please create a flag hybrid of Rhodesia and South Africa like flag of Austria and Germany shown above. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 03:55, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
    Graphist opinion(s)

    @ColorfulSmoke:, Are the above to your satisfaction? I made them in A4 (Landscape) format as I am still learning this whole Inkscape thing, hopefully this is useful for what you want. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:52, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

    @Donald Trung:, could you or anyone please fix it to a 3-2 ratio, those hybrid flags are tall. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 20:26, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

    @ColorfulSmoke:I've fixed them.--Mike Rohsopht (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

      This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

    New Taipei MetroEdit

    Article: Several

    Request
    Reduce the file sizes, all contains raster images. --Minoraxtalk 14:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
    Graphist opinion(s)
      Request taken by LX | Talk 15:43, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
    @Lệ Xuân: The K, S, and F characters are too thin. In {{Igen}}, the ! character (→ {{BadSVG}} → embedded bitmap) should be removed. Glrx (talk) 18:53, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
    @Glrx I'm working on it right now. Since I dont have the original font on my computer, it could take a bit longer. LX | Talk 19:08, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
      Done LX | Talk 20:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
    @Lệ Xuân: Thanks! Minoraxtalk 12:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
    Sorry for jumping in, but is there a reason why these icons have at least 4 different and distinct fonts? Does the Metro use differing fonts like this? 73.254.89.77 16:06, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

    Flag of the State of DirEdit

    Article(s)
    Dir (princely state)
    Request
    [5] there is information about missing subtitles in the file description, after 14 years it would have to be fixed. the inscription at the top meant "in the name of a benevolent and merciful God", in the middle a shahada in Urdu ("Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his prophet"), and at the bottom in Arabic "help God's victory is near."

    In the file description we can read: ,,A simplified flag of the historical Pakistani state of Dir. The flag also contains text in Arabic, but I couldn't find a high-resolution source.`` The file was made based on the information from there, this source mentions the red version, this Italian website confirms both projects. The flag without inscriptions is not confirmed by any source known to me, but sometimes it appears as an illustration, however, appears information about the missing text. I think this may be due to a wrong flag posted on wikipedia for the last 14 years. Flag without inscriptions should be treated as speculative.

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    Discussion:

    Not a graphist: apparently, there was three versions of this flag, one of which has no text. Maybe it is worth investigating and bringing a reliable source before discussion any change. I could not find more information in English, but there may be more information in Urdu. Veverve (talk) 22:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

    more information:
    In the file description we can read: ,,A simplified flag of the historical Pakistani state of Dir. The flag also contains text in Arabic, but I couldn't find a high-resolution source.`` The file was made based on the information from there, this source mentions the red version, this Italian website confirms both projects. The flag without inscriptions is not confirmed by any source known to me, but sometimes it appears as an illustration, however, appears information about the missing text. I think this may be due to a wrong flag posted on wikipedia for the last 14 years. 213.192.68.53 11.7.2021
    The source for crwflags is from 1993/4 (the original is here). The source for rbvex is from 1990. Both have a text, as well as an eagle flying instead of the current unmoving bird. So you are right, it seems the flag needs to be corrected, but the bird must also be changed to be more faithful to the source. Veverve (talk) 00:18, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

    SVG version of Nuvola imagesEdit

    Article(s): Vikifons Hodernia, Vikifons Genera

    Request
    Could you make a faithful recreation, in SVG format, of those PNG? Thanks in advance! --Veverve (talk) 23:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
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    Flag of South AfricaEdit

    Article(s): en:Flag of South Africa

    Request
    Please create a flag hybrid of South Africa like flag of Austria and Germany shown above. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 03:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
    If it's of interest, I did make a template for Wikipedia for a previous "hybrid flag" request that would allow you to mix and match flag components as necessary. Details are here and I would be happy to create compatible components for these flags. NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 12:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
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    Imperial Hotel, DublinEdit

    Article(s): Imperial Hotel, Dublin, not yet ready but being worked on in user sandbox space here

    Request
    can someone make a decent SVG of this image? I can supply a tiff of the same image at same pixel resolution, or greater if requested, but it is a scan of a reprinted book illustration. I've already improved the png as much as possible, sharpness and contrast wise. --Ww2censor (talk) 22:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
    Graphist opinion(s)

      Request taken by --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
    Ww2censor Do you want line drawing of this just like your source or something with surfaces, colors etc?
    Is there no other types of images around depicting it? --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

    Goran tek-en: A line drawing seems fine to me. I don't know what else we could do with it. I can't find anything else online and this image is from the reprint of an 1850 Dublin city directory. I scanned it at 1200dpi tiff but that is likely not much better than the png I made from it but if you want to work from that I can email you. This image is a section of a street view of part of a street in Dublin but I don't need the rest as I am in the middle of writing an article about this hotel. It was heavily reconstructed or rebuilt a few years after this so without going to archives I think this is it. Ww2censor (talk) 18:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
    Ww2censor I will make a line drawing first and then I might make one with surfaces from that.
    • What are the numbers at the bottom?
    • Is the hotel the part between 20,5-22,5?
    • Could you write here the texts that are on the different building.
    • Do you have any idea of how the decorations besides the word IMPERIAL looked like?
    • When you talk about scans or any resolution within the digital world it's ppi (pixel per inch), dpi (dots per inch) is for the physical world, printing were dot is the smallest point a particular "printing machine" can produce. I know it's very often talked about dpi in the digital world also but it's actually wrong. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:29, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
    @Goran tek-en:
    The directory is 1850, but File:Dublin Sackville Street 1853.jpg shows a bigger hotel. Was it rebuilt or is the directory just an impression? See Category:Imperial Hotel, Dublin. A 1916 image of Imperial Hotel Dublin on Sackville Street is much larger: https://repository.dri.ie/catalog/3b5918699
    Glrx (talk) 20:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
    • @Goran tek-en: As Glrx states they are the street numbers and the hotel is 21 and 22.
    • Those look like imperial crowns above the doors and some sort of flourish in the areas either side but I have no idea what. Just fudge it. I would not use the crown Glrx mentioned but the one in this crest w:File:UK Government Crown Crest.svg
    • I would leave out the names above the buildings but on the right building it is indeed G MITCHELL and HAVANNAH CIGARS and WALSH is obvious next door.
    • In the draft I am working on, as linked above, w:User:Ww2censor/Sandbox2#History you can discover the hotel was rebuilt in 1853 and again in 1902.
    Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 20:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
    Ww2censor This draft is the line version and a PNG version of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons, ID-1. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 20:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
    Goran tek-en: that's a great start. I would keep the pavement in front as well as the street numbers, possibly also use a heavier outline as this one looks extremely thin; perhaps at least double the point size. The crowns above the doors look really weird. Just use the one I linked File:Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom 1952-12-13.jpg and maybe just ignore the flourish either side though they might actually be reduced size simplified rampant lion and unicorn from that crest. Otherwise good work. Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
    Ww2censor
    • I think you linked to the wrong file, I think you meant this one, w:File:UK Government Crown Crest.svg. However this one is not something I can use at commons (a bit different rules) but I found this one Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom (HM Government) and I have used that one and edited it.
    • I have added streets numbers but not on the pavement so do you really still want the pavement? To me it doesn't add any value.
    • I don't agree with you regarding the thickness of the lines. I have worked on the lines and increased many of them.
    • ID-2. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
    Goran tek-en: You are correct that I linked to the wrong file and while you say this file w:File:UK Government Crown Crest.svg is not usable, being non-free though that is debatable) I was only referring to the crown element which, in it basic form, has been used for a long time, so there should be no problem. I suppose the crown elements from the one you found will be fine too. However you have added the complete crest which is clearly not on the original which just has the crown and some sort of flourish on either side, it does not show the full crest. The two panels either side of the crown are rather unidentifiable and placing the unicorn and lion there so clearly seems too much of artistic license to me. I would add something less recognisable but I understand well that svg is not an amorphous type format.
    I see your current version but putting the street numbers on the buildings implies they were actually there. If you prefer not to add then below, I would put them above the buildings but in doing so you are straying away from the original. Also see what you did with the lines which do look better.
    Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 21:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

    Ww2censor It's so hard to understand what someone writes and thinks, I did what I believed you meant. Having the numbers on the pavement is strange to me but the original is like that. ID-3. --always ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:14, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

    Achievement of the Việt CộngEdit

    Article(s): en:Emblem of Vietnam#List

    Request
    Hello fellow people online… I would like to create the creation of an SVG version of the above achievement (coat of arms), the preferred file name would be "File:Coat of arms of the Việt Cộng.svg". --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
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    Not a graphist: @Donald Trung: are you sure the word "Achievement" is the word you want? Do you know the French word of what you are trying to say for "Achievement"? Veverve (talk) 12:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

    @Veverve:, I'm simply using the word Hubert de Vries uses. He's an expert in heraldry, vexillology, and general iconography and he used the term for this type of coat of arms. If you know a better word then please change it. Also, I'm not familiar with the French word for "Achievement". --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
    Dictionary.com defines achievement: Heraldry. the full display of the armorial bearings of an individual or corporation. I'm not sure it's what is intended here. RCraig09 (talk) 19:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
    Perhaps the term "Coat of arms" is better in this context then. In Vietnamese we just use the general terms "Quốc huy" and "Huy hiệu" which can be used to translate "Achievement", "Emblem", "Coat of arms", Etc. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

    HunzaEdit

    Article(s): en:Hunza (princely state)

    request(s)

    1 request is a restore of the old version of incorrect flag [6] sources:[7] [8] [9]   Done

    2 request is the addition of the Mir standard [10], which also requires an emblem.

    I have not found a reliable source with the correct image of the coat of arms, but it was certainly a lion holding flag, with a ribbon on the mast with the word Hunza state and inscription above the flag [11] [12], most likely no formal draft exists.

    standard name ,,Flag of Mir of Hunza`` coat of arms name ,,Emblem of Hunza (Kanjut)``

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    Flag of TurkeyEdit

    Request
    Please review the x-position of the crescent and star, they seems do not match the construction sheet. --Mike Rohsopht (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
    Graphist opinion(s)
    I agree. The crescent is shifted by exactly 25px (2.083% of the width of the flag). The star is shifted by approximately 26.667px.
    I created a new file, but I do not have permissions to overwrite File:Flag of Turkey.svg.
    I noticed that two people have created and uploaded "fixed" files in the past. One was okay; one still had the star in the wrong place.
    For better or for worse, I took my new file and overwrote both of the "fixed" files: File:Turkey Flag 2 per 3.svg and File:Flag of Turkey (3-2).svg.MapGrid (talk) 06:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

    Hyderabad State (1948–1956)Edit

    Article(s): w:Hyderabad State (1948–1956)

    Request
    please vectorize stamp of Hyderabad State (1948–1956),on the ribbon is the national motto of india. It's best to remove the background but leave the white fill.

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    Improving flags of MaltaEdit

    Article(s): w:Flag of Malta

    Request
    A user sent a request on my talk page for the corrections for the flag of Malta, according to the materials he provided, I saw some issues for the George Cross. First, beneath the Saint George and the Dragon there should be an outline of rose (looks like "Tudor Rose") between two dots. Second, between each arms there should a letter G inserting the Roman numeral VI in serif face surrounding the circle. He found no any proper SVG image that has such detailed drawing, so I hope everyone who have good techniques at drawing SVG cold help to improve these flag images. Also, the same changes could be applied to other SVGs including the George Cross, especially for the coat of arms of Malta.

    Here are some materials gave to me:

    I've just searched the FOTW and I saw a page including comments related to the George Cross, and we also have some photos at Category:George Cross, I hope they would help.--Great Brightstar (talk) 18:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

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    Olympic medals 2000 - 2016 and Olympic gold medals 2000 - 2016Edit

    Article(s): 2020 Summer Olympics medal table

    Request
    Would you please update this to 2020? Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympics is starting --SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 02:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
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    "History of Korea" for template headingsEdit

    Article(s): en:Template:History of Korea.

    Request
    Hello fellow humans… I created these two above images, but I couldn't create good looking Chinese seals, the texts read "History of Korea" in Seal script but I couldn't make a good transparent looking one. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
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    Wiktionary Logo modificationEdit

    Article(s): English Wiktionary Logo, potentially other Wiktionary projects

    Request
    I would like to propose a new Wiktionary logo that includes the character
    instead of 维. See here for a discussion I started on this topic at English Wiktionary. One detail is that, as User:justin(r)leung suggested, it would be nice for the character to be set in the same style as it is on the en:Wikipedia logo (ie, to look like
    rather than
    . In text this can be done by tagging the character as Japanese rather than Chinese, and it might also depend on the font. I hope it is not terribly complicated to switch the character from 维 to
    , and I think having such a version would make proposing the change much more fluid. Thanks, --ChromeGames923 (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
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