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Alexis Jazz

Joined 13 October 2007

Commons is corrupted.


Admins are appointed by a mostly democratic process. No big issues there. But what if the community loses faith in an admin over time?

WELL TOUGH LUCK.

Admins are appointed for life. Most countries recognize there should be some limit (China sucks), term or other way to remove people from office. Not on Commons though! An admin has to severely abuse their powers or piss off the WMF to be desysopped. Community consensus resulted in a requirement of a 50% majority to desysop an admin. Well, that's acceptable, isn't it? It would be, but to actually launch the desysop request you need "some consensus for removal" which is generally interpreted as roughly 75% or even more, otherwise the request can be closed by a bureaucrat as inadmissible.

Bureaucrats use this line to screw over community consensus. De-adminship is a FUCKING JOKE. This de-adminship analysis shows we had 15 successful de-adminship requests in 11 years (with 200+ admins that's already ridiculous), 10 of those were formalities and 4 had no proper consensus. For INeverCry, there was the opposite of consensus to start a request. In Jcb 2 it was even mentioned, and Rd232 said something sensible:

“Taken literally, that badly worded and vague policy requires an informal deadmin discussion hardly less voluminous and unpleasant than the formal one, in order to establish consensus for launching the formal one. The spirit of that policy is clearly to ensure that there is discussion of issues before launching into a deadmin procedure. You can't say that hasn't happened, given the prior deadmin discussion and discussions around the place as well directly with you. If that policy means anything, it's that frivolous requests may be swiftly shut down by bureaucrats; that hasn't happened, partly because it's very clear that the concerns are widely shared. Frankly, the only thing that taking the policy literally will achieve is Commons:Administrators/Requests/Jcb (de-adminship 3) being opened in short order, with this discussion being evidence of "some consensus for removal".”
—Rd232

But today we are here. Bureaucrats abuse this line in policy (which was boldly added in 2007) to protect admins. And any attempt to even discuss this broken policy is swiftly shut down without any serious countersuggestion.

What the fuck do we need vandals for when admins enjoy this kind of immunity?

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Some admins are good, some admins are bad. You know who you are. Or not.

Contents

Other issuesEdit

Things on this page may not be related to each other. If you'd rather look at pictures you might enjoy Great images with captions.

Chipping away at imagesEdit

If a new version of a file is uploaded that is not obviously worse, nobody cares. Compression could be increased, file headers invalidated, poor crops be done or micro-graffiti added somewhere in an image. Especially with a vague comment like "improved version" or "better source" these don't get noticed. If it does get reported eventually, the report will go away without administrator action in a few days.

Images removedEdit

There is an easy way to remove images. Add {{subst:npd}} to an image and 9 times out of 10 it will go away after just one week. Especially if the uploader hasn't been active on Commons for a few months or more. If a user removes the nonsense template, an admin will put it back.

Scans of coins and similar objects could be removed by finding a non-free scan of the same object that is older than the file on Commons. The file on Commons could be nominated for deletion by claiming COM:DW.

It's also possible to nominate a file and linking any other place on the web where it occurs. When a file is marked {{copyvio|source=URL}} the odds of it being removed are even bigger. This will also not trigger a DR.

Images keptEdit

If an image can't be found with Google image search (search by picture) or TinEye and has no visible watermark it is very unlikely to be removed. Social media photos often can't be found this way. A copyrighted photo that is photoshopped can also be hard to find.

Breaking descriptionsEdit

It's possible to remove (parts of) the description on a page, then remove the license information, then put the description back and add {{subst:nld}} to the page. Either the image will be removed or the description will be broken by an admin after 7 days.

Useful selfiesEdit

Commons doesn't have a lot of typical selfies from reliable sources. Whenever we do get one, they likely get deleted as "unused personal photo". Photos of journalists may also be removed as "unused personal photos". Just any unused photo of people who are not famous in the US may be nominated for deletion as "unused personal photo". If you have never heard of them, they can't possibly ever be notable!!

Closed file formatsEdit

 
Unhelpful.

When trying to upload a video with .mp4 extension, the upload wizard bluntly informs you it's not gonna happen. You shot the video yourself? It's a video you downloaded from YouTube that is actually in the public domain? Don't care, get lost. Sure, the wizard could offer you to convert the file to an open format that is allowed by Commons. Maybe link to video2commons. But this is much easier!

Stressing users to lieEdit

When media is uploaded after (local) midnight and the user enters the correct date, the upload wizard will tell the user that "The date that you selected is in the future.". The user must lie about the publishing date to make this message go away. It can be ignored, but it's just wrong.

OTRS is broken by design, the lawyers did itEdit

Very broken.

Templates and release generatorEdit

There is a Release Generator that works quite well. (although it's only available in English) But various places (including the {{No permission since}} template!) are still referring to mail templates. Increasing the workload of the OTRS team and reducing the chances of ever getting proper permission.

Right holders are expected to contact OTRSEdit

First of all, OTRS can't contact right holders. So either right holders need to contact OTRS all by themselves (sure..) or a user needs to ask them to contact OTRS. I did that a couple of times, I've never seen anyone else doing that. You would get a lot more response if OTRS could actively contact right holders, but for some stupid legal reason they can't. WMF is afraid it would look like WMF is contacting them and OTRS is somehow legally not WMF.

You still with me? No? Good.

So what is the difference between that and a user contacting a rights holder asking them to send permission to OTRS? Slim to none. When they are sent to wmflabs.org, wouldn't they still think they are dealing with WMF? Yes, they would! But legally, it's watertight.

The problem is WMF is technically just a hoster, not responsible for the content uploaded. YOU are. More on that later.

And this process is completely fucking invisibleEdit

So when you ask a right holder to contact OTRS, what happens next? Nobody knows! You'll never know if they even tried to contact OTRS if the permission is not obtained. If you contact OTRS, how long will it take to get a response? Your guess is as good as mine, but if you know where to look you would find the current backlog is 137 days.

Is this a WMF lawyer?
This has got to be one.

Where the lawyers at?Edit

With all these complicated copyright issues, you need some lawyers right? They are here. Nobody knows where exactly, or how to contact them. They are like Bigfoot. Everybody knows Bigfoot exists, because everybody knows somebody who claims to have seen somebody who saw Bigfoot. The result of this is that when a legal decision needs to be made, it will be made by an administrator who may or may not be able to read.

Upload to Commons, get suedEdit

As you just learned, WMF is just a hoster. YOU are responsible. So okay, maybe you upload a logo that you later find out is likely copyrighted by UK law. So you request for it to be deleted. The administrator decides UK law can kiss his ass and keeps it. Now the uploader is at risk of a lawsuit, even though they did nominate it to be deleted. But uploaders have no "delete" button.

Legally, WMF may not have a problem. As long as the image in question is covered by either fair use or not eligible for copyright in the US, WMF can host it. Commons does not want fair use content, but the judge won't care about that. It's origin doesn't matter. What may matter is the country the uploader performed the upload from:

“You have to respect the laws of the country you upload from, that's why we have the "country of origin" requirement, as 99% of works are uploaded from their country of origin (random figure, but I would be surprised if that's not the case).” - As said by an admin

About 87% of statistics is made up, 72% of that is made up poorly. So you upload something from Italy while you are not in Italy or the US? Just uploading a photo that was already here which you only retouched also counts! You are doing something the administrators did not think could ever happen and you could be at risk of a lawsuit.

In Soviet Russia, copyright owns YOU!Edit

Law of the Republic of Belarus No. 262-Z of May 17, 2011, on Copyright and Related Rights: "Objects of copyright are: literary works; dramatic or dramatico­musical works; audiovisual works; works of architecture, municipal engineering, and landscape development; works of photography; (yada, yada, yada); other works.'

Other works! (why did they even bother making the list?) Basically you can literally copyright a turd in Belarus. A mother should technically, when interpreting the law literally, be able to copyright her own child. NEVER tell a mother childbearing is not work unless you're suicidal! This shouldn't be too surprising considering they also have an extensive law to patent plants. I'm not saying Monsanto send over free hookers to politicians and then blackmailed them with footage from hidden cameras. How could I possibly know how exactly they would do such a thing?

Pepe the frog can officially go fuck himself.Edit

Pepe the frog is a cartoon that is under copyright. We generally remove those.

IS IT CUZ I IZ BLACK????

Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse (YOU'RE NEXT), Bugs Bunny (YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE), Frog. WE DON'T CARE. But Pepe has been adopted by the alt-right movement, and boy, it brings out the very best in humanity!

I was considering to start a discussion on Commons to see if Commons should maybe allow a bit more. After this, I will not be starting that discussion anytime soon now. So instead, I'll just start patrolling to make sure that goddamn frog stays off Commons until the creator sends their permission to OTRS. Which will never happen because the creator has publicly expressed his dismay at Pepe being used as a hate symbol. So really, I'll be doing the creator a favor.

DIOS Y LIBERTAD, YOUR BELOVED LEADER, ALEXIS JAZZ