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North American Aviation vs NASA ImageEdit

This image is tagged as a NASA image, but the image itself says it was taken by NAA. Instinct is to nominate it for deletion since NASA did not take the photo, NAA did and there is no evidence those rights transferred to NASA. The source does not really clarify it at all. Thoughts? Kees08 (talk) 21:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Kees08, I agree, it should probably be nominated. It is clearly of NAA origin, though others will argue that either "well, it was published on a NASA site, so they must have acquired the rights", which is nonsense...NASA publishes private and foreign images all the time, or "this was likely a for-hire or under-contract work", of which there is zero evidence this is the case. I'm sure you've noticed, folks around here really don't want to give up images, even under our precautionary principle (which is policy). Huntster (t @ c) 04:37, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
I started the deletion request on it. What do you think of replacing it (on enwiki) with this image? It has the Space Facts watermark on it, but the NASA page credits the image to NASA. Kees08 (talk) 02:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Kees08, the image to be deleted shows Borman, Stafford and Collins for the cancelled Apollo 2 backup crew, but your suggested image shows Anders, Collins and Borman for the cancelled Apollo 3 prime crew. What is the image intended for, exactly? Regardless, I would think the image should be fine, but the problem is I cannot find a NASA source and so cannot prove it; a higher resolution version is at Huntster (t @ c) 03:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
For en:Michael_Collins_(astronaut)#Apollo_program. I think either image would work, and that the Space Facts image might even be better. AmericaSpace has a logical credit for it, I might use that credit (with the high res image). That should be fine, yeah? Kees08 (talk) 03:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Kees08: So long as you can enunciate how you came about the credit line if asked, then sure, that seems good to me. Huntster (t @ c) 03:27, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of Soviet era space imagesEdit

I wish to express my very strong concerns about your recent nominations for deletion of Soviet era space images on assorted Wikipedia pages. These images are of significant scientific and historic value and their removal would significantly reduce the educational value of the Wikipedia pages concerned. That is particularly unfortunate since Wikipedia is a free educational resource that is open to anyone to access irrespective of income or location.

While I might concur that NASA simply reposting Soviet space images does not solve the original intellectual property rights issue, there are also issues with Wikipedia's own guidelines on this matter regarding Russia because those guidelines are in themselves just a crude and incomplete summary in English of a situation that is, in reality, a more complex and more nuanced state of affairs.

I am now in the process of seeking advice from intellectual property experts within the Russian Federation on this matter and they are the ones who are best placed to provide the best possible and most authoritative advice on this matter. That is no doubt going to take some time and in the meantime I would be grateful if you could kindly consider showing some restraint on the matter of Soviet era space image deletions.

DigitalTim, Thursday 30 May 2019

DigitalTim, I am following our procedures for dealing with potential copyright violations, and the scientific and historic value plays no part in whether or not they are copyrighted or not. If you can determine beyond doubt that Soviet-era photographs taken by spacecraft have fallen into the public domain, then we will be richer as a community for it. However, as it stands this moment, all indications are that they are not freely licensed/without license. Thus, they violate our policies by being here. There is no ill-will or malice intended, certainly. As a whole, we upload and delete, upload and delete, every day and work to find a balance that is acceptable under national and international copyright laws. Huntster (t @ c) 21:21, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for providing the above response for that is appreciated. I must also thank you for not nominating any new Soviet era images for deletion at the present time for that is also appreciated.

I confirm that obtaining clarification of the status of these images is an absolute priority for me and it will take some time. As soon as I have any definite answers, I will report back as soon as possible.

There is no shortage of copyright and intellectual property rights information, guidance, advice and legal cases and precedents pertaining to English speaking countries in English language media. Regrettably, there is a dearth of comprehensive and useful equivalent information in respect of non-English speaking countries and that particularly applies to Russia and the old Soviet Union hence my concern that the real status of these images ought to be thoroughly determined first before any action is taken.

Thank you for your patience in this matter.

DigitalTim, Saturday, 1 June 2019

Consolidated plot of KIC 8462852 dip maximaEdit

Can you please merge upload histories for both PNGs? Dumb deletion would make certain events not traceable, which is frowned upon. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 04:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Incnis Mrsi: Sure, since your okay with it that is no problem. I'll take care of it. Huntster (t @ c) 05:19, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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