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Skyscrapers in La Défense, 20 August 2021, not featured edit

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  • Gallery: Commons:Featured pictures/Places/Architecture/Towers#France
  •   Info created by Pierre Blaché (Flickr) - uploaded and nominated by Paris 16 -- Paris 16 (talk) 06:09, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support -- Paris 16 (talk) 06:09, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment I am very sorry, but someone has to ask this question: Are these (very exciting!) photos allowed on Commons? AFAIK, there is a big problem with French law: there is no real Freedom of Panorama in France, so commercial use of photographs of buildings is allowed only when the architect has died more than 70 years ago, or maybe de minimis when the building is not the main subject. On Commons, we can never exclude commerical use of photos, so we must assume that this law applies to all photos. Here the skyscrapers are clearly the main subject, so we have to ask: are the architects of all these buildings dead for more than 70 years? Yes, that is a stupid condition, but please do not blame me, contact French politicians and urge them to change, finally, that embarrassing law. I am very sorry, --Aristeas (talk) 07:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment PS: Or, if French law has changed recently or if there is some exception which applies here, please correct me, I would be very happy to be wrong in this case ;–). --Aristeas (talk) 07:48, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's no doubt that if France changed its law towards commercial FoP, we would immediately have got aware of this. --A.Savin 15:02, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that de minimis applies to an image like this ... there are several different copyrights involved and none of them can be said to be the subject of the picture. That's how we have been able to host plenty of nighttime Paris cityscapes showing the Eiffel Tower and its lighting scheme. Daniel Case (talk) 17:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, the building at the right is WAY too prominently depicted. --A.Savin 12:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My approach to photos that are not obviously violations of FoP is always: discuss only the photographic merits of the image at FPC. Then if it shows up at DR, we can discuss its copyright status. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:35, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry, I will not mention that problem anymore. --Aristeas (talk) 10:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Daniel’s argument: I would normally share this view and defend it vehemently against deletion advocates. But these two photos, as far as I understand the situation, show only recent buildings, which are therefore all (or almost all) subject to copyright under French law. Even if de minimis may now apply to each individual building, I still have a bad feeling because the pictures consist practically exclusively of de minimis components. It therefore seems questionable to me whether the de minimis rule really still applies in such a case. – But please, I am not a deletion fanatic, I just wanted to make the problem clear. --Aristeas (talk) 10:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment OK, seems that there is more or less a consensus that this kind of photographs does not raise any legal problems. That’s nice, I am sorry for disturbing the discussion here and will shut up my mouth regarding any kind of FoP questions in the future. Sorry, --Aristeas (talk) 19:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Aristeas: There's not need to apologize! That was a legitimate and important question to ask. This kind of thing may be second nature for long time regulars here, but it is certainly worth bringing it up again occasionally for those who are new to this. Cheers, --El Grafo (talk) 09:04, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 2 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--A.Savin 13:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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