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PikiWiki and Dutch National Archives

Dear Shaula, I am trying to find a solution for the PikiWiki files of photographs by Willem van de Poll, made in Israel 1948-1949 and 1964-1965. Ca. 200 of these photographs in Commons (with link to PikiWiki) are duplicates with the same files in Commons from the Dutch National Archives (Nationaal Archief). Example: (1) original at Nationaal Archief, (2) Commons file with link to Nationaal Archief and (3) Commons file with link to PikiWiki. General rule on Commons is: there shouldn't be two identical files. As (2 - Commons NatArch) links to the original, has the correct license (CC-0), mentions the original id-number and has the correct name of the photographer, this file is preferable to keep over (3 - Commons PikiWiki). I thought that including the short English & Hebrew description and copying the PikiWiki link was enough to ensure keeping the link to PikiWiki. This doesn't seem to be the case. I guess all PikiWiki items have a permalink. As I am trying to make things work, I want to include this permalink to PikiWiki in the description of these 194 files. Could you give me the permalink to (example) (4) this file at PikiWiki? {{pikiwikisource|user=The Israel Internet Association|id=51165}} doesn't work properly in this case. Vysotsky (talk) 14:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Shaula (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Pikiwiki interface

Hi, I will come back after 11.00 and write a reply. The problem is that the link is the name of the file. When you change it the connection is lost and it disappers. When we began the project in 2009 it was the only solution to establish a link.Shaula (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Understand. And if I would use the regular URL, like https://www.pikiwiki.org.il/image/view/51165 - would that work? Vysotsky (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Shaula (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2018 (UTC)let speak later, this explains the project. sorry if I sounded unpolite. https://www.pikiwiki.org.il/content/21

hi

Can we talk tomorrow by mail? I am sure we will find a good solution. (removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaula (talk • contribs) 20:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

No problem. We will find a good solution. Vysotsky (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

The most important issue is not to remove the redirect. Anyway the license was wrong but Vysotsky you can mention that they were first uploaded by Pikiwiki Israel. -- Geagea (talk) 00:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

We might also think about creating a template for these images warning for no further file-renaming. --Túrelio (talk) 07:38, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

It will be the best solution -- Shaula (talk) 08:09, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Template with generated text "Please consider notifying the project before renaming or deleting this file" is already in use. Vysotsky (talk) 10:13, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

solution

First of all some words about Van der Poll. No photographer in Israel, nor any organization offered their photographs to the public. It is pure luck that we can use freely the important pictures of Van der Poll to help in depicting an important era in Israel history. When I lecture about Pikiwiki and copyright issues, I always refer to him.

The pikiwiki project was created to facilitate the interface to wikicommons that is unfriendly and not adapted to non-technical persons. Ironically, it was a request of Wikipedia volunteers that did not have enough free pictures by the time (not any more). Pikiwiki contains only thumbnails.

The permalink exists as far as the thumbnails points to the original picture address.

The solution to the problem of the pictures that were uploaded by pikiwiki and disconnected is the following: I will update in pikiwiki the new link and you will add the words PikiWiki Israel to the name of the picture ( the number of the picture can be skipped)

As for new pictures you have uploaded, I will be happy to get their name and create a link in pikiwiki like the one I have done here https://www.pikiwiki.org.il/image/view/52925 It says that the picture was transferred from Wikicommons ~~Shaula (talk) 04:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Great. Willem van de Poll was a good and productive Dutch photographer, who travelled all over the world. 30,000 of his photographs are now in Wikimedia Commons, uploaded from the originals at the Dutch National Archives. Van de Poll was three times in Israel (as far as I know): end 1948-1949, in 1953 and in 1964-1965. See also: Louis Zweers: Willem van de Poll. 1895-1970. Warnsveld, Terra, 2005. ISBN 90-5897-471-5 Van de Poll made more than 6,000 photographs in Israel. About 194 of these photographs were doubled in Commons (same original, from the Dutch Nationaal Archief, but different metadata and different uploaders). That is not a real problem, but the Van de Poll photographs deserve correct metadata, and the PikiWiki versions do not have the best metadata: (1) incorrect name of the photographer (Van der Poll instead of Willem van de Poll), (2) incorrect license (PD instead of CC-0), (3) no link to original at Nationaal Archief. (The descriptions of buildings etc. are sometimes more accurate and specific, though.) That's why I started to merge these 194 photographs (keeping the best of both worlds, and duplicating-deleting-redirecting one version), until the problem with the PikiWiki link came up. There are in fact two problems with the 194 doubles: when duplicating-deleting-redirecting the files, the link from Commons to PikiWiki needs to be restored, but the link from PikiWiki to Commons also needs to be working. We will work on these things together, and find the right solutions. Vysotsky (talk) 11:05, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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