First edit

Hello - thank you for providing images to the wikimedia commons. Please keep in mind that images uploaded to the commons should be useful to all users of wikimedia projects - this is possible only if the images can be found by other people. To allow others to find the images you uploaded here, the images should be in some place that can be found by navigating the category structure. This means that you should either place the images on topic pages (galleries), or put the images directly into a category, or do both. Which of those possibilities is preferred is however a matter of debate, see here.

The important point is that the images should be placed in the general structure somewhere. There is a large number of completely unsorted images on the commons right now, see Commons:Really unused. If you would like to help to place some of those images where they can be found, please do! Thank you. -- Duesentrieb 11:32, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not that familiar with the structure of commmons so for the moment im just contributing some pics. I hope others will organize the structural part of this project. Then it's most efficient in my opinion.-Svdmolen 11:56, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Not really, because it is quite difficult to even find images that need categorisation. Please do put them somewhere, the categorisation structure is not that difficult. To find an appropriate category, start with the categories listen on the main page and work your way down to where you think the images would fit. If you're not sure where to put them exactly, put them in a "general" category. For instance for your pictures of cristaline sulfur, i would suggest Category:Minerals.
You are right that finding and creating good categories can be difficult and time consuming. But keep in mind that if you con't do it, someone has to do it for you. I took part in an effort a few months ago to find and categorize all the "lost" images on the commons - several thousands. It took weeks to sort through them, and there are not many people who are willing to do that. I fear right now there are again many thousand pictures that are lost to the world because thy are not categorized - that's similar to "orphan" pages in the wikipedia: if it is not linkd, it's no good. So, please make your imnages useful for others by putting them somewhere they can be found. -- Duesentrieb 13:51, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I just wanted to say thanks for putting your images into categories now! And thank you for the many images :) sorry for nagging earlier, but structuring our content is really important. -- Duesentrieb 18:56, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No problem at all. It takes little affort to at least give it some category. I can't promish that it will be the correct one but I'll try. -Svdmolen 20:18, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)


First of all: Thanks for categorizing, we have far too many unsorted images here. As to your problem with User:Factumquintus: as far as I saw he one "uncategorized" images that where already on a gallery page in one of the relevant categories. As long as the pictures can be found by navigating the category structure, I don't see a problem. Cases where there exists a page and a category for the same topic are a little problematic - it is unclear if images should be in both, the page and the category, in such cases...

I belive User:Factumquintus meant no harm - I hope you can work together to find a good solution for structuring that part of the commons. Thanks! -- Duesentrieb 8 July 2005 22:05 (UTC)

Some annoying pictures edit

Hi, I have some unidentified species uploaded for determination.

  • [1] no idea... Some kind of a butterfly.
  • [2], [3] These two pictures show a carterpillar that lives at the underside of an acacia leaf. I have seen up to three of them living together on one leaf.
  • [4] Is this a bug?
    Greetings, --Olei 22:12, 15 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
  1. looks like a Eupithecia dodoneata.
  2. link doesn't work
  3. link doesn't work
  4. Could be a Cydnidae tritomegas.

Greetings, Svdmolen 15:27, 16 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

I have repaired the links, thanks for the first hints, I will look over it later. Greetings, --Olei 22:44, 16 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Category:Unidentified Images of Butterflies edit

Hi, thanks for your help ordering these pictures. :-) I have a question about the following picture: Butterfly Morpho Anaxibia (M) KL.jpg

 

. It shows the name Morpho anaxibia you changed it to Morpho helena. Is this same species? Best regards, --Olei 19:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hi, no its not the same species, but this picture is of a Morpho anaxibia. -Svdmolen 19:09, 23 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Oops Morpho helena i mean of course lol ;o) -Svdmolen 19:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I got it! ;-) Here's another one: Moth on white cosmos by pattimeado.jpg.
File:Moth on white cosmos by pattimeado.jpg
My guess is: Colias phicomone (female). Greetings, --Olei 20:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
I agree on the Colias phicomone. What do u think of Image:Swallowtail by Splonko.jpg is it a papilio alexanor? -Svdmolen 20:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
I think it's possible, but most of all pictures (found with google) only show the upper side. And I have no idea how variable colors can be. The Tolman says: "females bigger and upper side more yellow (wing basis)". Not much, and nothing about variations. So this guess is very uncertain. --Olei 21:40, 23 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Triodia.sylvina edit

Hi, before writing an article I want to ask you for this little Butterfly. According to [5], [6] it should be Triodia sylvina. Do you agree? Greetings, --Olei 19:05, 28 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Wow, great pictures. I agree on the determination for the pic's on Triodia sylvina. Best regards, Svdmolen 19:49, 28 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! :-) So I have to write this article..., Best regards, --Olei 09:43, 29 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Deletion request edit

You put Image:Butterfly2.jpg up for deletion, claiming it is replaced by Image:Limenitis populi-02.jpg. This is obviously not the case, did you perhaps mean a different photo? Thuresson 21:09, 3 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Timandra comae edit

Hi, I belive this image

 
Timandra comae

is Timandra comae. The north-east species of europe should be Timandra griseata (according to some german literature). Whats your opinion? Gretings, --Olei 20:53, 4 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

I'm sorry i have no idea :o( -Svdmolen 19:46, 5 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I have seen that you have set a redirect from T. griseata to T. comae. Please remember we have two different species here. T. comae is very common and wide spread in middle Europe and griseata has a boreal spreading (Estonia, Sweden, Finland and the north-west of Russia. In case of the "french" picture I agree that this is possibly T. comae. But the 2nd one - I have no idea. Consequently this one should be left in the article T. griseata. So I think the redirect is not a good solution! What do you think about my suggestions? Greetings, --Olei 20:51, 13 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
Hi, ya I'm sorry I forgot this remark by you when I made it a redirect. I think you'r right. I looked on site, I trust, [7] and must say it might be difficult to determinate the specie at all. Perhaps it's best to undo the redirect and leave it like it was. -Svdmolen 15:04, 14 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

deletion warning edit

Image:Michelangelo-pieta.jpg edit

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Syntomis spec. edit

 
Syntomis spec.

Hi, some time ago I put the following image in the german determination page. But there is no response until now. Maybe you will have a try? I found similar species at www.leps.it . The first is Syntomis kruegeri, second Syntomis ragazzi and last but not least Syntomis phegea. I tend to Syntomis ragazzi, but I have no idea how variable the wings can be. What do you think? Greetings, --Olei 18:53, 17 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hi, perhaps this site might be of help. I would say Syntomis ragazzii aswell since colors and size of spots match more but there is only one on the internet to compair the picture with... -Best regards Svdmolen 19:50, 17 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Paolo edit

Hello,
Thanks for your message. Indeed, there is a problem. I will write in Paolo to obtain his agreement (or not) for the use of his images in this way.
If it does not agree, it will be a pity, because there is not much photograph of butterfly on Wikipédia.
Regards.--Valérie75 11:47, 25 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hello,
I didn't receive any response but I send a mail today again. Please to wait sometimes still. :-) --Valérie75 18:02, 8 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Image:Haile Selassie (nps-gov).jpg edit

Hi, please add your source for this photo as quickly as possible. Thuresson 00:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Antoni Gaudí edit

Hi. I've tagged Image:Antoni gaudi.jpg with {{Incomplete license}}: in the upload description you wrote it came from es:, but the image was deleted there because it lacked from source. Regards. --Dodo 11:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

quick categorising edit

Hi, thanks for categorising Udaspes folus. I just wanted to know how you did it so quickly. I mean I hadn't even categorised the pics and you found them and put them in a category within 2 minutes of my having uploaded them. Its amazing. --Viren 18:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I was in the proces of categorising other butterflies when I saw your contribution. So it was no problem categorising them quickly :o) -Svdmolen 22:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC) BTW I spotted them using the function "latest files" which can be found on the left under the wikimedia logo.Reply

Image:Oil-spill.jpg edit

Hi Svdmolen, can you maybe specify the link where you found this picture? Thanks in advance, --Flominator 13:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

It's to long ago for me to remember the exact location of the image. But I'm sure its from NOAA. -Svdmolen 14:45, 15 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Invitation edit

Hallo Sander,

Ik wil je graag uitnodigen voor Commons:WikiProject Tree of Life

TeunSpaans 20:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Awesome picture edit

LOL, Image:Procyon lotor (xndr).JPG is great. Paroxysm 03:13, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, :o) -Svdmolen 17:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Image:Lechwalesa.JPG edit

Hi, please add a link to a resource where the institute release all photos as public domain. Thuresson 22:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

If I could I would, but I was trusting the en: source. Do what ever you want with the picture. -Svdmolen 17:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Butterlies edit

Hi. I see in the category PD-other reasons a lot of images of butterflies uploaded by you like this. We have the specific template PD-Australia. Do you think that I could change your PD-because with this tag? Is the same law that says that your images are PD? I hope that my sucks english was clean. If not I'm sorry. Bye --RED DEVIL 666 08:48, 26 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Red, I prefer to let it stay how it is. Now a clear link to the PD statement is given and there is no discussion about the rights. When a standard claim is made I think some over active users here will try to get it deleted. But as long as all links stay in the description, [8] en to the family of butterflies is might be not a big problem. -Svdmolen

Image:Unidentified plant-02 (xndr).JPG edit

Hi! This photo shows Pulicaria dysenterica --Franz Xaver 12:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks :o) -Svdmolen 17:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Image: Proba (nasa).jpg edit

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It is the same picture as Image:PROBA.jpg but only in small Uwe W. 12:08, 10 April 2006 (UTC)Reply


Image Tagging Image:Viola riviniana-02 (xndr).jpg edit

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Admin edit

You are now an administrator here on the Commons. Congratulations, Sander! Just remember that images cannot be undeleted, so please be careful when deleting them. User:dbenbenn 21:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. -Svdmolen 13:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Image:Unidentified-02 (xndr).jpg edit

Hello Svdmolen,

Firstly I was thinking that was maybe a Neottia nidus-avis or a Neottia or other saprophytic orhid. But now I think it's an 'Orobanche sp. -- Pixeltoo 18:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your help Pixeltoo. Someone on a Dutch site suggested Orobanche minor. -Svdmolen 21:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Commons:Village_pump#Caricatural_vandalism.3F edit

Hi Svdmolen, I would be grateful if you could do something about this (like block User:Fecal if you think he has acted deliberately harmfully, it looks like it to me) as I feel uncomfortable acting when I can't read the cartoons he uploaded. Thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 09:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Elise, I can't even find the cartoon is the history so I geuss it has been deleted already. So I can't judge the situation. On the Dutch wikipedia we are used to give a warning before blocking. Perhaps we should start with that. What do you think? -Svdmolen 20:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Yes, OK. pfctdayelise (translate?) 00:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


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Image:Vdwaals.jpg edit

Is het je mogelijk om te duikelen waar je dit plaatje vandaan gehaald hebt? Zonder die informatie loop je nl de kans dat het vroeg of laat verwijderd zal worden. Zie Image:Johannes Diderik van der Waals.jpg als voorbeeld hoe je dat kunt vermelden. JdH 14:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hoi, ik zou niet meer weten waar het vandaan kwam en weet eerlijk gezegd ook niet of ik het puur op ouderdom onder PD heb geupload. Als het weggegooid wordt zal ik het niet tegenhouden..... -Svdmolen 17:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
OK. Ik heb een nieuwe versie ge-upload van http://www.science.uva.nl/research/itf/images/vdwaals_large.jpg om zeker te stellen wat de bron is; zal wel dezelfde file zijn want het is dezelfde maat en omvang. JdH 19:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

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Image:Lichen (xndr).jpg edit

Hi Svdmolen, I've identified your image as Parmelia sulcata. So I completed the description and used it in de:Parmelia sulcata. Kind regards --Density 16:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Density, thanks for the determination. Cheers, Sander

Your Photo Orthetrum cancellatum-01 (xndr).jpg edit

Hi Svdmolen, your very good photo in commons mentioned above seems to be in the wrong category (Orthetrum cancellatum). It seems to show a female of Sympetrum sp. (possibly S. striolatum or vulgatum) rather than orthetrum cancellatum. So I suggest, you should move it to the category sympetrum. Best regards Günter User:g-u-t


Hi Günter, thanks alot for your correction. I deleted the old picture and uploaded it as Image:Sympetrum sp.-01 (xndr).jpg. Best regards, Sander

Image Tagging Image:Arthur-seyss-inquart.jpg edit

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Hoi Niels, ik weet niet meer waar deze foto exact vandaan komt. Ik vermoed een .gov site, daar haalde ik toe veel afbeeldingen vandaan. Doe met de afbeelding wat je wilt. -Svdmolen 17:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Category:Unidentified Images of Butterflies edit

Hi Sander,

zou je eens een kijkje in deze category willen nemen om te zien of deze category wat opgeschoond kan worden? TeunSpaans 03:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Image:Phlogophora meticulosa-01 (xndr).jpg edit

 
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Your image was nominated and promted congraulations on such a fine contribution to Commons Gnangarra 11:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

That's nice :o) Thank you. -Svdmolen 15:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Idea leuconoe edit

Hello Sander, you just identified this butterfly as Idea leuconoe. But there are some subspecies of this species. Are you able to identify the subspecies on this photo, too? Thank you, DocTaxon 18:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Doc, I'm sorry I can't say which subspecies it is. -Svdmolen 21:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

Greta morgane edit

Hi Svdmolen, some time ago you moved Greta oto to Greta morgane. I can't remember the reason. Actually there is one image thas was determined as G. oto. At The Global Lepidoptera Names Index I did'nt found any hint for a synonym. Greetings, --Olei 20:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Olei, It's along time ago since I made that change. I had to think for a while but I remembered that I did change it because the name was not possible. I again searched a site that I use often for name and date of author an location. That site tells me that Greta Oto is an old name for Greta Morgane Oto. So I resond that Greta Oto is a subspecies of Great Morgane. I remeber that the difference between the Greta Morgane Oto and the Greta Morgane Morgane had something to do with the white band but I can't find it. -Svdmolen 07:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

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Hi, despite searching, I have not been able to find Image:Oil-spill.jpg and Image:Thick oil on rocky beach.jpg at the NOAA web site (NOAA Advanced Search). Please add a source who can verify that these photos come from NOAA. Thuresson 02:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi do what ever you want with the picture. I'm sure it's from NOAA but cant find it there anymore. Regards, Svdmolen 16:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

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Cicindela maritima edit

High, my name is Siga, I am not really a specialist, but I have at least the Freude-Harde-Lohse, which is Standard for beetles, and I know to read it. And from that I mean, that the Cicindela maritima, that you put in the corresponding articel, is a C. hybrida. Somewhere maritima was a subspecies of hybrida, but now it is a species of its own and there are two differences between the two species. The one is, that maritima has spare whity hairs between the eyes and hybrida not. But unfortunatly you usualy don't see that on pictures. The second difference is, that the white waved band in the middle of the elytra with hybrida only soflty goes back, whereas with maritima the inner part is esential more back than the outer part. You can see that very clearly at the picture of Reitter, which is also in the gallery of the article C. maritima. Perhaps you may discuss that with another person and then decide yourself. Cheers --Siga 21:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC) (I'm writing with the same name in german and greek Wiki)Reply

Hi Siga, to start with I'm not an expert myself aswell. The reason why I named it Cicindela maritima was because I read that it had white hairs between the eye's and C. hybrida didn't. If you look at the picture closely and zoom in between the eye's I see some white hairs. Best regards, Svdmolen 17:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
I will not insist, so this is my last remark in this matter. C. m. as we both agree, have hairs. They are hairy with thin hair in a field in the middle of the eyes, as you can see in http://www.koleopterologie.de/gallery/, any as you also can well see on your photo, there are only some thicker hairs near the eyes. On those photos you can also compare the white vaved band. But if you don't agree, feel easy with that too. --Siga 11:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Please don't stop this discussion, for me it's important to get it right. Still I'm convinced it Cicindela maritima and after a new search even more. Give me the change to show you more evidence ;o). First look at this link and give special attention to the middle white waved band. Now look at this link, they are similar both Cicindela hybrida. And now the next: please look at this link and notice the broader band like on my picture. Next to that on the russian site the Cicindela maritima has some but not execive hair, like some pictures on the site you mentioned. Those pictures where of an larve I think not of an Imago. I would appriciated it very much if you would take a look to the links and give me your opinion. -Svdmolen 15:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

High, here I am again. First of all, I didn't want to stop the discussion, because I feel my knowledges somehow superior to yours, but on contrary don't be enough specialist to decide in this difficult question. So just let me tell what I am thinking: Freude-Harde-Loose has its main aspect in the determination keys. It is speaking about beetles of middle Europe. The furcation for determination is a: middle of the front without hairs, (Only some long hairs at the edge of the eyes). This leads to C.gallica and hybrida. The other posibility is b: middle of the front with long hairs. This leads to C. campestris, C.soluta, C. silvicola and C. maritima. Going on till maritima, it says: formerly as subspecies of hybrida, but from this easily to recognize by the middle band, where the inner splotch is much more back to the outer splotch and the two splotsches of this band are only thinly connected. From this I deduct 1. that the main difference is the hair on the front, which you can see clearly on the link, I gave you. Now about your links. On the first you see three pictures. In the first the band is like maritima, in the last it is like hybrida and in the middle it is middle. But you don't see hairs on the front of either. Now to your second link. There are two pictures, the first is C.hybrida koshanki.... wich is a subspecies that doesn't exist in middle Europe. I would say, the band is really like C. maritima. The second picture is C hybrida hybrida, which is ours here, and you see the typical middle band, discribed by Freude-Harde-Lohse. No hairs in both cases. Now to your last link: C.maritima kirgisica, that is another foreign subspecies. You can see the spare hairs in between the eyes, and the form of the band differs extremely from our C. maritima and in fact looks very like C. hybrida. So alltogether, the form of the band seems to verify, especially in subspecies, but the hair for maritima and no hair for hybrida is right for all the subspecies. Which, by the way, is new to me, but not very astonishing. I see that you are deeply interested and I think you will agree after thinking it over. Let me know your decision. --Siga 21:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Siga, I asked it on a forum and they agree with you [9]. I replaced the picture by Image:Cicindela hybrida-01 (xndr).jpg. Best regards and thanks. -Svdmolen 18:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
And I used it already in the greek Wikipedia. Thanks too, --Siga 07:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

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Would you help me? edit

 

Hi, I am not able to identify this Sphingidae found on a olive tree in Sardinia. Are you able to give me some information? Thanks --gian_d 08:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

This is Acherontia atropos (Linnaeus, 1758). If you have more images, please upload! Best regards, --Olei 09:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply
Thanks a lot, I never saw the larva of A. atropos although I know well the adult! I have more pictures from various sizes, I'm going to upload them in Wikimedia Commons. Regards --gian_d 18:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Pictures from nl.wiki edit

i´ve got 3 pictures from the nl.wiki ([10], [11] and [12]), that would fit very well into the commons, but i don´t know which license is the right one. all of them are from the same author, with the same permission, only the 1. but only the first one does have a license tag. could you please look at them? thx --Kulac 16:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

The pictures are uploaded by me. The author hasn't given a specific license but the closes that matches the requirements of his statement is Cc-by. As far as I know that license is not allowed on Commons anymore. -Svdmolen 16:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Reply
so we can´t use them in other wikis? thats bad, because there are more of them, showing quite rare butterflies...--Kulac 14:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Reply
You could try to contact Cor Zonneveld on his site and ask him if he is willing to release some pictures under GFLD or an other license which is allowed on Commons. -Svdmolen 16:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)Reply


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Wow! Thank you ... edit

... for this marvellous picture of the blossoms of Crataegus monogyna; its one of the best I've ever seen in the Wikipedia. I add it to the "European Trees"-WikiReader (German Wikipedia). Best wishes, Migas 22:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Image:Six degrees of separation.png edit

 

Please delete the current version and make the new currend. I had made a mistake in the nubbers of middleman. Thanks in advance. LaurensvanLieshout.

Ik heb de 2006 versie verwijderd, maar het vreemde is dat de 2006 versie nog steeds blijft verschijnen op de artikelen. Waarschijnlijk laad de computer het plaatje uit mijn tijdelijke geheugen (of zoiets). Als het zo blijft is het het makkelijkst om het bestand onder een nieuwe naam te up loaden, dan wis ik de huidige versie. -Svdmolen 08:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
versie Image:Six degrees of separation 01.png up loaded . LaurensvanLieshout
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Image:Viking2lander1.jpg edit

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Campaea margaritatia edit

Hoi Sander, Ik zag dat je C. margaritata hebt gecorrigeerd in C. margaritatia. Moet het niet C. margaritaria zijn? Groetjes, Floor. Fvlamoen 20:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Je hebt gelijk. Trouwens al een flinke hoeveelheid nieuwe vlinderartikelen van jouw hand op nl. Mooi werk. Groeten, Svdmolen


Image Tagging Image:Flu Vaccine.jpg edit

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Image Tagging Image:Silk road.jpg edit

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Image Tagging Image:Thick oil on rocky beach.jpg edit

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Commons:Picture of the Year/2007 edit

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Image:Malcolm_X_-_child.jpg edit

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Please write deletion reason before deleting. Now, undelete these images, which was deleted by you and write a reason in deletion log. Thanks!--OsamaK 19:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)Reply
All images that are deleted were uploaded by my under temperary names for determination perpuse. Next time I'll put it in the deletion log -Svdmolen 20:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

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Inactivity edit

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Image Tagging Image:LocationKaliningrad.png edit

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Image Tagging Image:Wolframite.jpg edit

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Image Tagging Image:ManWithPetriDishes.jpg edit

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