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Picture of the Year 2015 ResultsEdit

The 2015 Picture of the Year. View all results »

Dear Wikimedians,

The tenth Picture of the Year competition (2015) has ended and we are pleased to announce the results:

In both rounds, people voted for their favorite media files.

  • In Round 1, there were 1322 candidate images.
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There were 5822 people who voted in either round, and there were 1862 people who voted in both rounds.

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Article titles of countries/territories with multiple official languagesEdit

For a long period of time the Israel article was at ישראל - إسرائيل, reflecting that the country has both Hebrew and Arabic as official languages, with both used in drivers' licenses, on signage, on ID cards, etc. It is true that Hebrew is the language of governance and has precedence over Arabic, but the Israeli Supreme court has ruled that both are official (see Talk:ישראל)

A Commons user argued that it should be at ישראל (Hebrew only) because "Israel is a Jewish state and Hebrew is more important and prevalent language"

My opinion on the matter: I think the position taken is partisan, and could alienate Arabic-speaking Israelis and other Arab speakers from the project. Article titles should reflect the current political realities of the countries and also reasonably accommodate points of view in ethnic and sectarian conflicts. @Triggerhippie4: WhisperToMe (talk) 06:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Technically, Commons doesn't have "articles", just "galleries". I agree that both languages should be used in the title - not because of hurt feelings, but because both appear on Israeli government issued stamps, banknotes, etc... AnonMoos (talk) 08:02, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
P.S. Anyway, إسرائيل is one of several Arabic words (also including أورسالم), which are more common in Israeli government terminology than among the generality of Arabic speakers)... AnonMoos (talk) 08:17, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
As far as I know, we aren't restricted to only one page/gallery for any given category, so we could have galleries with all the above names, and even others. The only rule I know about concerning choice of language for page names is for categories; if that's the only such rule, gallery names can be in any language. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:48, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, but what would be the difference in subject matter between gallery "ישראל" and gallery "إسرائيل"? -- AnonMoos (talk) 04:12, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
There might not be a difference. The content of gallery pages is whatever people decide to put in them. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
If there is no difference (and I wouldn't expect any), I think the best solution would be a gallery Israel with redirects from both the Hebrew and the Arabic title. This way, the majority of users, who speak neither Hebrew nor Arabic, have a chance of reading the page title and users who search for the Hebrew or Arabic name are redirected to the correct page. --rimshottalk 12:12, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Indeed, this is also the (often sole practical) approach chosen for other geographical entities with multiple official languages, like the European Union.    FDMS  4    12:50, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Redirects are fine, too, but there's no reason not to create separate galleries if someone wants to, just as we can have multiple images of the same thing. One person might build a gallery one way, and another person might want one organized a different way. As far as I know, there's no restriction on that. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Different galleries on the same subject are fine, if somebody wants to make a gallery a different way. Somebody turning up making a fork for political reasons is entirely a different matter. I suppose the gallery has worked fine so far, and in that case I see no reason to split it up now. I for one would be quite upset if I had made a bilingual page (on some topic in Finland, say) and someone would split it into two because "Finnish is the real language of Finland". --LPfi (talk) 08:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Auntof6 -- there's no rigid requirement that there be only one gallery for every category, but I don't think we want things to be so loose as to allow "John's I-hate-cats gallery" to compete with "Mary's I-love-cats gallery", or to create accidental duplication under equivalent names in different languages/scripts... AnonMoos (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
You say compete, I'd say coexist. Multiples are allowed. As for duplicate-except-in-different-language ones, who says they'd be accidental? If gallery names are allowed to be in any language, as I believe they are, why would it be a problem to have duplicates? --Auntof6 (talk) 10:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
If you make separate gallery pages based on language within the same project there may be a possibility of POV forks. Sometimes ethnic conflicts and the like involve language as part of the debate. Part of the goal of Commons is to cross linguistic divides and have a Common project regardless of language. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:36, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
I second the proposal of naming the gallery Israel. Compare it with Confoederatio Helvetica which works much better than calling the page "Schweiz - La Suisse - La Svizzera - La Svizra" or one of these names. --M5 (talk) 12:05, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
If English is to be used for countries and territories with multiple official languages, then it would also apply to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, various African countries, Finland, and Tibet and Xinjiang in China WhisperToMe (talk) 23:20, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
WhisperToMe -- Canada has the advantage that the name of the country is spelled the same (in the same script) for both its official languages (English and French). That's not true for Switzerland, Belgium, or most of the countries you mentioned (not sure about Pakistan). AnonMoos (talk) 02:14, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Pakistan's other official language is Urdu, which uses Perso-Arabic script. Another question is what to do with Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Mauritania. In Morocco de jure there are two official languages, Arabic and Berber, while French is de facto in common use. In Algeria, Tunisia, and Mauritania French is de facto in wide use even though the governments don't declare it an official language. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Wasn't even thinking about English (just what major local language of Pakistan isn't written with Arabic?) -- AnonMoos (talk) 11:16, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
@AnonMoos: - While the two official languages are English and Urdu (Pakistan is پاکستان), the other major languages are Western Punjabi (Name of Pakistan: پاکستان), Sindhi (پاڪستان), Baloch (not known), and Pashto (پاکستان). Urdu and those four are all written in Perso-Arabic script. However "Pakistan" is written slightly differently in Sindhi compared to Urdu, Punjabi and Pashto. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:55, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

I went ahead and attempted to move Israel... except I found I couldn't do so since something is already in its place. What should be done? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

✓ Done Yann (talk) 09:48, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Coming Friday: Freedom of Panorama in BelgiumEdit

Hi all!

As announced earlier, Freedom of Panorama comes in Belgium into force coming Friday 15 July 2016.

According to Belgian law, a law change comes into force on the 10th day after the publication in the Belgian journal (Belgisch Staatsblad / Moniteur belge). (source: fr/nl)

Publication took place on 5 July 2016. (source: fr/nl)

Some things need to be updated, like: Commons:Freedom of panorama + Template:NoFoP-Belgium. And created: Template:FoP-Belgium, similar to for example Template:FoP-Nederland or Category:FoP templates

About 1411 images that have been deleted on Commons as result of no Freedom of Panorama, need to be restored - similar to Public Domain Day. See; Category:Belgian FOP cases

Please make sure you categorise the restored files, which can mean that the category needs to be restored too.

Based on the deletion log I will collect the restored images, similar to Public Domain Day.

For those in Belgium (or close), be welcome to join our launch event in Brussels:

Thanks all! Romaine (talk) 10:41, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

I have created Template:FoP-Belgium/lang, Template:FoP-Belgium/layout, Template:FoP-Belgium/fr and Template:FoP-Belgium/en. I leave Template:FoP-Belgium unchanged until tomorrow. Could a Dutch and a German-speaker create Template:FoP-Belgium/nl and Template:FoP-Belgium/de (so that we would have the 3 official languages of Belgium)? BrightRaven (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
@BrightRaven: Done for Dutch! Romaine (talk) 00:28, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Jo-Jo Eumerus had started the German translation, and I enhanced it. I’ve also massively updated Commons:Panoramafreiheit#Belgien, the German version for Commons:Freedom of panorama#Belgium – maybe this has to be updated in other languages, as well. BTW I’m not a lawyer, so there may be same factual mistakes. — Speravir_Talk – 18:26, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I suggest not using "plastic" in the English translation, since it usually refers to w:Plastic. Perhaps "sculptural, graphical and architectural art", but I haven't searched for how the law defines its terms. --ghouston (talk) 00:12, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
The full term is “plastic, graphic or architectural art” and in the English Wikipedia is an article en:Plastic arts. For German translation I used the term which translates into visual arts. — Speravir (Talk) – 01:20, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I have updated the entry for Belgium in the FOP "Summary table". However, I was not totally sure as to whether 2D artwork should be "Yes" or "No". --Gazebo (talk) 04:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Another step we can do now is to copy images to Commons that have been locally uploaded on some Wikipedias (because there was no FoP). Romaine (talk) 03:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

This search gives a few: [1]. --ghouston (talk) 07:51, 17 July 2016 (UTC)


In total 1493 images have been restored on Commons due Freedom of Panorama in Belgium. An overview can be found at: User:Romaine/Freedom of Panorama/Belgium

If anyone knows more restored images, please add them to the page or let me know. Thanks! Romaine (talk) 03:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you all for the work. I would like to draw the attention on the limits of Belgian FOP.
  • It only covers "works of plastic, graphic or architectural art", so texts (litterature) or maps (cartography) are not covered imho.
  • The works must be "placed on a permanent basis in public places", so works placed for a short period (like posters) should not be covered. I wonder about the works placed for several months in the framework of a temporary exhibition for example.
  • The works must be "placed on a permanent basis in public places", so works inside private areas are not covered. I don't think the interior of museums is covered either (train stations should be OK). BrightRaven (talk) 12:54, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

July 13Edit

Handy tool for (generic) requests of speedy deletions?Edit


Is there any script around that allows for a handier way of requesting a generic speedy deletion that isn't covered by the standard options (copyvio - no source - no permission - no license) of the Quick delete tool? I could use that for factually wrong redirects left over after a filemove. Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 07:23, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure COM:VFC can do that. BMacZero (talk) 00:44, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Grand-Duc, with “factually wrong redirects” you speak of things like, what I noticed recently, a file originally claiming, it would show Schloss Charlottenhof, but actually depicting Schloss Cecilienhof, so that now there is the redirect File:Charlottenhof2.JPG? If not, what then? Regarding your question: I accidently found m:TemplateScript (it’s the successor of RegexMenuFramework, which still is part of Commons Gadgets). I can nothing tell you about this, but linking to it. — Speravir_Talk – 20:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
@Speravir: Yes, this redirect from Charlottenhof2.jpg to Cecilienhof2.jpg is something that I often asked a speedy for, eg. when I had to correct via filemove a biological ID or a wrongly named geographical location. Many thanks for the link, this tool looks amazing and just like I could work with it - when I've learned some JS, though... Kind regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 19:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC) PS. Just processed some minutes ago: File:Jetstar Japan, A320-200, JA07JJ (18181746108).jpg - I put a speedy on it because the file claimed to depict the Airbus JA07JJ whereas it actually had the JA09JJ, a different plane. Hence, redirecting from "07" to "09" is simply wrong. GD
So, which reason for deletion do you give then – simply “factual wrong” do you give more explanation? — Speravir_Talk – 21:07, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Until now, "Factually wrong redirect" (+ sometimes "moving residue") was always enough for the admin processing the speedy. Lately, I added some more explanations, but I tend to do that only when I strongly feel that a deletion would really enhance any experience here. If you fancy it, you could check out the redlinks in my move log as those show for which cases I'm using speedies, uncontested up to now. Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 22:15, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
OK, thank you! — Speravir (Talk) – 16:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

"Smartphone haze" cleanup/maintenance tagEdit

Most of us will be familiar with the "haze" that frequently ruins photos taken with smartphones. This is due to the lens glass being more exposed and prone to getting finger grease on it than was generally the case with traditional cameras.

(Typical example from a user who has too high a proportion of uploads exhibiting this problem. Actually, this example is worse, but was fixed in later revisions by myself.)

The {{blurry}} tag for me isn't really accurate. The cause is different, and the end result is different.

Does anyone else think it's a good idea to have a separate maintenance tag saying- in effect- "this photo was let down due to the photographer not bothering to clean off the camera lens"? Possibly phrased in a more diplomatic and neutral manner though... ;-)

One thing in favour is that this might help identify images whose fault can be fixed using a wide-radius unsharp mask (unlike a blurry image), which effectively increases local contrast- i.e. the exact counterpart to lens haze. OTOH, this logic might be taken by some end users to imply that as a "fixable" issue, we're endorsing it as being okay for people to upload lousy grease-smudged pictures, when it isn't really. (#)

(#) Why? First, because it takes someone else's time to fix something that could have been fixed in a couple of seconds by the photographer him/herself cleaning the lens beforehand. Secondly because the image is rubbish up till that point, and might not be worth the hassle of fixing (c.f. quality of this example again!). Thirdly because the processing (unavoidably) increases noise- or rather, makes it more prominent. And lastly, because such images are more likely to fall victim to overzealous in-camera NR reduction since the blurring makes the camera think there's less detail there than there is.

Ubcule (talk) 16:22, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

That's a good point of the TO - and this is my reaction to it concerning one of the given examples: Commons:Deletion requests/File:'73 Chevrolet Caprice Convertible (Street Festival '16).jpg. Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 19:01, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback; I'd actually started replying at the deletion request before I noticed you (the nominator) had already commented here! Ubcule (talk) 12:18, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

US Army photosEdit

When looking for images for en:Murder of Tracie McBride I found this obvious Army portrait of the victim (she was a soldier at Goodfellow AFB)

Can this be presumed PD, or do I need to collect additional info on it first? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:03, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

It is better to find its original source on a government website. Ruslik (talk) 20:22, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
@Ruslik0: I'm looking for a copy of the military portrait here published on a .gov or .mil site. It my be difficult since McBride died in 1995 (her killer was executed in 2003) WhisperToMe (talk) 23:06, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Or you can ask USA military directly whether they have this portrait. Ruslik (talk) 19:53, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
@Ruslik0: Ok. So if they say yes I can submit the info to OTRS WhisperToMe (talk) 19:49, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
@Ruslik0: Sadly keeps giving me 400 bad request WhisperToMe (talk) 20:42, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

"Photographs of"Edit

Can anyone explain why we have categories like Category:Photographs of men with books (as distinct from Category:Men with books? Aren't photographs pretty much the default here? It seems to me like with distinct categories like this we are in danger of duplicating virtually our whole hierarchy with "photographs of" categories one level down. - Jmabel ! talk 23:57, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

  • @Shakko: I believe you created the category in question, perhaps you can explain. - Jmabel ! talk 23:58, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It would distinguish photographs from other types of media (videos, paintings, etc.). However, as you say, photographs are a de facto default. BTW, there is a possibly related discussion at Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/11/Category:Photographs. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Category:Men with books contains Category:Photographs of men with books, Category:Drawings of men with books‎, Paintings of men with books‎, etc. All is clear. --Shakko (talk) 10:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
    • But usually it is done with subcategory "XXX in Art", where we place all of this "Paintings of XXX", "Drawings of XXX", etc, because photos are default. Or, this way we shoud create a huge amount of such categories like "Photographs of buildings in Moscow" and so on.--Stolbovsky (talk) 10:32, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
      • With some categories, you need "Category:Photographs of XXX" in order to keep track of what is coming in new. Let's say that you delete the "Photographs of men with books" category, and place the files into the parent category "Men with books". That parent category will then contain 100+ images, making it difficult for editors who clean up categories to keep track of new files coming in that have been incorrectly placed into the category. - Takeaway (talk) 10:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
        • How will this help you find what's coming in new? Will Category:Photographs of men with books be dramatically smaller than Category:Men with books? Or is the intent that Category:Photographs of men with books is so obscure that most people will use Category:Men with books (the normal place I'd expect to put something, certainly) and then you personally will be able to spot those as new? If that's the case, that honestly seems to me to be a bit bizarre. Or are you saying something else? (In other words, if uploaders do what you consider correct -- use Category:Photographs of men with books -- it seems to me that they will defeat your purpose, so you are relying on a category scheme that only serves your purpose if most people don't understand it.) - Jmabel ! talk 17:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
        • I agree with Jmabel that tracking new entries is not a proper use of this kind of category. However, there is a way you can track what is added to or removed from a category.
  • Add the category to your watchlist.
  • Go to your preferences and click on the "Watchlist" tab. In the advanced options section, uncheck "Hide categorization of pages" and save your change.
If you do that, then Special:RecentChanges will show you when things are added to or removed from the category. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:35, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I wish I could do just that but I have recategorised media in, and keep an eye on quiet a number of categories, some of which seem particularly attractive to mass-uploaders. This would continuously swamp my watchlist. - Takeaway (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
It doesn't have to swamp your watchlist. There's a watchlist preferences option called "Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist" that will display only one line for each page (including categories). You click on an arrow to drop down all the individual changes. It may not be ideal, but I think that that much possible inconvenience for one person is preferable to changing the way categories are managed for the convenience of one person. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
What is actually going to happen to the parent category Category:Photographs of men? - Takeaway (talk) 20:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I do think there is a need for some aggregation. Like Category:Photographs of men, but some of this sub categorization like Men with books or Men holding cats is a bit too much. Reguyla (talk) 20:15, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Why not be consistent? If only photographs of men with books is dissolved, they could/should then be moved into Category:Photographs of men, and into Category:Men with books. There are numerous subcategories of Category:Photographs of people which could then also be dissolved, with even more files flooding into photographs of men/women/children etc. - Takeaway (talk) 20:18, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Categories should be specific as they could. This is one of our main differences. People that are looking for men with books, could, for example enter in photos, draws, paintings, and find with no trouble, however, image a person looking for photographed men with a book, without this category, by our idea, this person would must use the not that good bottom (or external css) to cross this categories.

Have two questions "men reading books" should have draws and paintings of men reading, Photography is not art? For me:

  • Men with books
    • Photographs of men with books‎
      • Photographs of nude or partially nude men with books (obs: this photos...)
    • Paintings of men with books‎
    • Draws of men with books‎
    • Men reading books
      • Photographs of men reading books
      • Paintings of men reading books
      • Draws of men reading books

Now, what's the benefit of that for us to remove this category? I can't see. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton 13:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

July 18Edit

Subtitles in wiki projectEdit

I made test subtitles to File in hebrew but could not see them in the article in I can see the subtitles in commons but not in Can somebody tell me how to do it correctly? -- Geagea (talk) 00:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I can see the subtitles from the article, I just hit play and clicked the "CC" icon to select the subtitles and it shows up in the list. What do you see when you click the CC icon on the video? Offnfopt(talk) 02:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
See phab:T122737. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 09:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks AKlapper (WMF). I can't see any of the subtitles in any language. The "CC" icon is ok but no subtitles. And I am not the only one. -- Geagea (talk) 10:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Has something gone wrong here?Edit


This is from a video. Now, video encoding does interpolate some frames, and having watched the video, I suspect that we got one of the interpolated frames by accident. Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:13, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Category:RKDimages versus Category:RKD - Netherlands Institute for Art History: A double ?Edit

The RKD - Netherlands Institute for Art History is the owner of (amongst others) the online database called RKDimages. It seems here on Commons the two categories where created independently of each other. The category RKD - Netherlands Institute for Art History was created after several earlier (obsolete) names where redirected to it. I'm proposing to make Category:RKDimages a subsidiary of Category:RKD - Netherlands Institute for Art History. After that I'd like to create an institution template for RKD - Netherlands Institute for Art History. My posting this here is to find out if there are any objections. Something that I may have overlooked. --OSeveno (talk) 11:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

There also is a Category:Netherlands Institute for Art History and Institution:Netherlands Institute for Art History, which is not the correct name of the institute. It seems that someone thinks that the inclusion of RKD in the name is only for 'locals' of the Netherlands. On the English version of the website of RKD - Netherlands Institute for Art History they use the full name in English, including (the abbreviation) RKD. So, what to do here ? --OSeveno (talk) 11:10, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
If all the images in Commons come from their RKDimages database, then one category seems sufficient. If they come from more than one source within the organisation, then they could be organised as subcategories within a top-level category. --ghouston (talk) 00:10, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
It should be a source category named like "Images from Netherlands Institute for Art History" (that's the name used in the English Wikipedia.) A parent category like "Netherlands Institute for Art History" would be useful if there was something else to go in there, like a photo of their building. --ghouston (talk) 00:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes I have tried to puzzle these out before. I think there is a difference between "images in their dataset" and "images which are uploaded from their dataset". I myself am a heavy user of their dataset and will tack on a {{RKD|9999}} template to the file description. This template in my opinion incorrectly tacks on a category as if the image came from there, but I am just trying to offer the reader the documentation access. Jane023 (talk) 10:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

So you are adding the RKD template to images that have been obtained from elsewhere, but are for works listed in the RKDimages database? In that case, the category added by {{RKD}} could be something like "Art works recorded in RKDimages". --ghouston (talk) 23:45, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes exactly. See this one which I just uploaded: File:Willem van Haecht - Alexander the Great visits the studio of Apelles N08610-169-lr-1.jpg Jane023 (talk) 07:13, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

July 21Edit

x-sistemo → eks-sistemoEdit

La hodiauxaj sxangxoj en Phabricator kaj Gerrit devos signifi, ke post du jaroj, kun helpego de Brion, James, Amir, kaj WhatamIdoing, la deviga uzado de la x‑sistemo dum redaktado, devas baldaux fori. Grandan dankon al ili! Dankon egale al LLarson, kiu verkis tiun mesaĝon. --Psychoslave (talk) 13:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Bonega novaĵo. Sola demando estas kial entute iu iam pensis ke deviga uzado de la x‑sistemo dum redaktado estas iel ajn bona afero. -- Tuválkin 17:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Spam or vandalism: QuickbooksEdit


There is a problem around Quickbooks A lot of new users uploading random pictures or pictures linked to Quickbooks with always a big description with phone numbers and repeated words.

By searching on Google a extract of the description, it seems that many wikis and user contents websites have been polluted by this flood.

Regards, --Lacrymocéphale (talk) 22:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Reposted @ Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism#Spam or vandalism: Quickbooks --Lacrymocéphale (talk) 23:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Looks to be the work of bots all done at the same time, you should be able to report the bots (listed below) and get the uploads removed. Offnfopt(talk) 23:14, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
I've blocked all these and nuked the uploads, but there's more:

One proxy range I've found and rangeblocked: This spammer is still creating accounts after that rangeblock, so more proxy ranges are involved. INeverCry 23:56, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Still going:

INeverCry 00:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Category:SVG rendered incorrectly (Bug_T111815) seems empty, despiste two files are reffering to itEdit

This category is reffered by the following files (using {{HugeSVG}}:

So, the category seems empty. Therefore, I missed something? Is there a problem with hidden categories and media files without thumbnail? --Amitie 10g (talk) 23:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Seems to be working now, not sure what the cause was. I was in the process of trying to figure out what was going on which caused the stale cache to go away, so now it shows up in the category.Offnfopt(talk) 04:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

July 22Edit


Hi, has anyone any idea if Hamd Islam is advertising here or if he is looking for a job? Face-smile.svg Lotje (talk) 05:41, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Hamd Islam. Face-wink.svg INeverCry 05:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

problem on image server (internal mediawiki error)Edit

See for example : File:Flag of Germany.svg (file history is OK: we can see the images from the history up to end of 2015, but any image from 2016 onwards won't show, even if there was nothing changed since 2007 in the image itself, except the description page in May, but there was no issue since May for this image; so this looks like a problem in the description page incorrectly linked to the image thumbnail)

[V5JYMApAMFIAALoducMAAAAA] 2016-07-22 17:30:24: Erreur fatale de type « MWException »

Thumnail generator failure? Detected on another wiki where country flags are showing red links (going to upload a new image on the other local wiki) instead of the existing image from Commons. I suspect a storage issue (internal network filesystem). -- verdy_p (talk) 17:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

See the bug now reported in Phabricator. -- verdy_p (talk) 18:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Note that this Flag image is used on lot of pages and many wikis (including outside Wikimedia projects). And notably on various homepages (see for example where it is used in the news panel). But the problem is effectively visible in Commons itself. verdy_p (talk) 18:19, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
For now I've restored the last 2015 version of the description page. Then I saw that I could see the content of the previous 2016 versions in diffs, but none of them render correctly (it is probably an issue in one module used by Template:Infobox flag, causing the MediaWiki page renderer to stop; I suspect some code bug with an infinite loop in Lua; in the last 2015 version it was using Template:Flag instead). verdy_p (talk) 19:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

July 23Edit

Click-sensitive area around images in categoriesEdit

Up until a couple of days ago, if I was on a category, to go to an image in that category, I clicked directly on the thumbnail, or directly on the image's name. In the last couple of days, this has changed; now clicking in a wide click-sensitive area anywhere near the thumbnail or its name results in being taken to the image.

This causes two serious problems:

  1. It is nearly impossible to highlight and copy the name of the image (to paste into a page elsewhere, etc.); trying to highlight the name results in the mouse pointer 'pushing' the name away without highlighting it, or else taking you to the image page, a time-waster waiting for the image to load.
  2. Using Cat-a-lot has become almost impossible, as there is virtually no place anywhere around the thumbnail which one can click to add the thumbnail to the Cat-a-lot set for recategorising, without sending you away from Cat-a-lot to the file. Sometimes there is a tiny strip below the bottom of the filename (where the file size is given) that can be used; sometimes not. If I have just successfully highlighted a large number of files for Cat-a-lot, and then just miss by a fraction of a millimetre, I get sent to the file and lose the entire set already highlighted, a total pain in the a***.

This happens now with two different computers I use, so it's a new fault in Commons, not in my computer. What's happened, and how can this problem be reversed, please?

Thanks! MPF (talk) 15:34, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

  • I’ve noticed the same exact issue, and front the same problems. -- Tuválkin 16:06, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
@MPF, Tuvalkin: Workaround:
  1. Press the ALT key while selecting with the mouse (I do not know, how it is with touch sensitive devices). The download dialogue comes nonetheless, though.
  2. For Cat-a-lot click on the file size display, this works fine here.
— Speravir_Talk – 21:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
  • It still is a pain in the ass for people who use cat-a-lot. There is now just so little real-estate to click on without accidentally leaving the category. - Takeaway (talk) 21:57, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
As someone who uses cat-a-lot a lot (pun intended), I think this should be fixed in the gadget. This was always a bit of a problem with it, since I tended to click on a link by accident and often "destroyed" the selection. I think the right way to go forward is that cat-a-lot either completely overrides the click action, or adds a large "checkmark" while it is open. --Sebari (talk) 13:02, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Agree; disabling left-click when Cat-a-lot is open would certainly be hugely helpful. I'd not want right-click disabled though, as it is sometimes useful to be able to 'open link in new tab' to take a detailed look at a single pic to check if it should be added to the group for recategorisation. - MPF (talk) 13:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Looks like this was an unforeseen consequence of gerrit:298020 (phab:T139766). This feature has been disabled here on Commons since the dawn of time with a gadget, so I tweaked it now to more precisely restore the previous behavior: [2]. That said, I agree with Sebari, this is really a problem with Cat-a-lot – it should prevent you from closing the page accidentally (like the editor does), and it should probably just take over the entire thumb+caption for selecting it (you could still view the image page by middle-clicking etc.). Matma Rex (talk) 15:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks! - MPF (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
"(you could still view the image page by middle-clicking etc.)" — I fear I don't know what you mean there! - MPF (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@MPF: If you click on any link on any website with the middle mouse button rather than the left one, the new page will be opened in a new browser tab (or window). (On some browsers, you can also left-click while keeping the Ctrl or Shift key pressed to achieve this.) This often works even if left-clicking does something else (e.g. in a search suggestions dropdown). Cat-a-lot could also be written to allow this behavior when you middle-click the image or the caption, while taking over left-click for its selection behavior. Matma Rex (talk) 18:02, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@Matma Rex: Thanks! Never knew that - just tried it, and it works. Very useful :-) MPF (talk) 20:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
The easiest, most straight-forward way to fix this in MediaWiki:Gadget-Cat-a-lot.js is to move line 1010 ("e.preventDefault();") up right below line 994 ("$box.bind( 'click.catALot' ..."). This way you can click anywhere on the file name box and it will select the box. For some reason, clicking on the image will still open the image page. I am investigating this right now. --Sebari (talk) 17:11, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@Rillke: as someone who has edited cat-a-lot a lot in the past. --Sebari (talk) 17:32, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Migration of the SerbsEdit

Hello! I'm translating w:Migration of the Serbs to w:es:Migración de los serbios. However, the pictures of the painting are local in, and w:File:Serbmigration.jpg (and others) will not be in the public domain in its home country until January 1, 2028 since its author died in 1957. Nonetheless, the images are a photograph or a work of applied art published before January 1, 1973, and according to {{PD-Serbia}} I could transfer the files to Commons. Am I right or the files should stay in its home wiki? Thanks, ·×ald·es 15:57, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

I guess a painting isn't "a photograph or a work of applied art". --ghouston (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
i guess commons is not a place to be trusted to keep a work of art under country rules, when it is not 70 years yet. Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 02:15, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Do we still delete files based on URAA copyright rules?Edit

Do we still delete files based on URAA copyright rules? I am asking specifically for File:Anders Donner portrait by Eero Järnefelt.jpg which has a bit of a convoluted history: The current file is a low resolution version of a file which I originally uploaded but which was then deleted based on URAA rules. I then uploaded it locally to fi-wiki (fi:Tiedosto:Anders Donner portrait by Eero Järnefelt.JPG), and now a low res version has been uploaded to Commons by User:The Copper Miner. Do we delete the current one, keep the current one or restore the original? MKFI (talk) 17:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, we delete based on the URAA rules. So, even a low resolution file should be deleted from Commons. But I think it may be kept on fiwiki as fair use (if they allow fair use). Ruslik (talk) 12:03, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

July 24Edit

Cat-a-lot not working properlyEdit

Cat-a-lot is not working properly today - see screenshot for details. I don't want to have to visit every file to edit the category with HotCat as that would take an eternity. Anyone know how to sort it out, please? Thanks! MPF (talk) 13:24, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Addenum - I was able to use 'Copy' to add the files to the desired subcategories, but 'Remove from this category' doesn't work, so now the relevant files are overcat'ed ... MPF (talk) 15:04, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Cat is Category:Dicrurus macrocercus (museum specimens). Behavior confirmed, but I'm at a loss, too. --Achim (talk) 15:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
MPF, please have a try now. --Achim (talk) 17:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Yep, working now, thanks! What was changed, please? - MPF (talk) 17:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@Achim55: . . . . except just had the same problem at Category:Dicrurus paradiseus (museum specimens); oddly this time, not uniformly, Cat-a-lot did move some (46 moved, so far) but not others (80 not moved, so far) - MPF (talk) 18:01, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
MPF, the problem are invisible control chars (LTR marks I think) at the end of the cat links on some file pages which I removed now. Just noticed that the problem is mentioned here. --Achim (talk) 18:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@Achim55: Thanks! So how do I deal with this if I run into it again? - MPF (talk) 20:07, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@Achim55: Also running into it at Category:Dicrurus hottentottus (museum specimens) - MPF (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

How do you search for images that are in both categories?Edit

Hi all

I'm trying to find a way to search for Wiki Loves Earth 2016 entries that are from specific parks and reserves (and it's pub categories), is there a way I can search for images that appear in both categories and see images that only appear in one of them? I won't be able to do it by file name because of the multiple languages.

Thanks very much

--John Cummings (talk) 13:52, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

If you need to include subcats, use FastCCI. If you dont want subcats, you can use incategory:cat_name in the search box. Bawolff (talk) 14:02, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Bawolff, one question, when I use incategory:cat_name how do I add multiple categories? Do I use a space between them or a + or something? Thanks --John Cummings (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
you separate by a space and repeat the incategory (e.g. incategory:cat1 incategory:cat2 you can also seperate with a pipe if you want to do or queries. See mw:help:CirrusSearch for full details. There is also a gadget called advance search that adds a gui for this Bawolff (talk)
Thanks very much Bawolff, I think that Fast CCI is working best for me, my only issue I have is that I want to add all the images that come up in the search results for being in the two categories to a third category Images from Wiki Loves Earth Biosphere Reserves 2016‎, but HotCat doesn't work with it, any ideas? I have about 200 searches to do, I've done around 30 so far and had well over 500 images to manually add to categories. Thanks again, --John Cummings (talk) 19:09, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
You can also use the list compare function of AWB to compare the contents of 2 categories as well. Reguyla (talk) 23:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Cat a lot maybe. /me doesn't know. Bawolff (talk) 02:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Reguyla, so if I had two categories and wanted to add a third category to all the images that appeared in both, this would be possible with AWB? I don't just want to find them, I want to add a third category. Thanks again, --John Cummings (talk) 10:00, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


Threatens an edit war in the Dominican Republic. If I reorganizing files a user makes changes in his uploaded files and categories undone.

What can I do? --Jos1950 (talk) 18:42, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Who threatens an edit war? BD2412 T 18:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Als je de bedoeling niet kent en niet wilt afwachten wat het resultaat is moet je je mont houden. Dit soort opmerkingen snijd geen hout. --Jos1950 (talk) 21:57, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Als je de reden ervoor niet kent, kan je beter ook ophouden. Trouwens, zou je je niet een beetje netter gedragen? - Takeaway (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
If you do not know the purpose and do not want to wait and see what the result is you have to keep your mont. This kind remarks cut no ice.
I'm guessing that if you had been a more polite person, you might have written something like "I am busy recategorising media and I am in the middle of a process". Still failing to see where overcat might feature in the example I gave? And ermmm... "mont"? Is that very modern spelling? - Takeaway (talk) 22:07, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I had a brief look at User:Jos1950s edits and the user seems to be recategorising large amounts of media pertaining to the Dominican Republic. Most edits seem okay, some have problems with COM:OVERCAT and some newly created categories are not correctly categorised. Perhaps best to just let Commons run its course where other users correct what needs to be corrected when they come across any problems/mistakes. - Takeaway (talk) 22:48, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Dat ik zo reageer is het resultaat van de reactie op mijn vraag aan tm en de onwililigheid om daarover van gedachten te wisselen. Verder in "Beach in de DR" staan/stonden al enkele staden met een vermelding, waardoor ik dat in de hele DR wilde doorvoeren en ook met bruggen en religie enz. Overal de zelfde indeling, wat is daar fout aan? --Jos1950 (talk) 23:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
According to User:Tm, you, Jos1950, have removed crucial categories from media which, for instance, indicate locations and dates. As neither of you actually give any examples, it is very difficult to see who is right and who is wrong. As for your reply that you are allowed to do what you want with the media because it has been released on Wikimedia, this is not a good reply at all because it doesn't give you the right to incorrectly categorise media as User:Tm states that you are doing. I must say that during my brief look at your edits, I noticed a certain sloppiness. Even in the few edits that I had looked at, I saw that you have forgotten to correctly categorise newly created categories such as you did here, and you have added COM:OVERCAT to other files as I have already touched upon here above. If User:Tm is correct in that you have removed information from media (and removing crucial categories is removing information), then you are indeed not doing your job well. Perhaps you could slow down a bit? - Takeaway (talk) 23:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
I did not have a chance to finish it because tm turned back everything. Also, I can not imagine that I have deleted data, because I did not change the files. As far as I know the history remembers everything. And I was just trying to give cat's a more clear indication time as you can see in e.g. Category:Operation Power Pack (review the history).
I also found it excessive that all black/white images were placed in more than one category and just wanted a reference to the original cat in "cat black and white images". It is not OVERCAT but OVER-INFORMATION. It is not alone a cat for tm. Of the US there are already 2 from tm with different data and there are more categories of black and white images of the DR (look at my latest additions). Should there be than a "cat black and white pictures 2" come up with another all images and 3 and 4?
I read COM:OVERCAT and know I do not put everything right straight away, but there is much work to do to find everything and to clear the DR. Every time a little and in between I improve the and my mistakes. --Jos1950 (talk) 01:39, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, once you know what images you are interested in "the history remembers everything", but once you have removed relevant categories it's hard to find which images might be of concern. About the only way to find them is to go through all of the files that have been hit by the editor in question.
May I suggest that if you are having major disagreements here that you confine yourselves to some well-defined, relatively small group of photos (e.g. maybe some one city where there are 100 or so photos of that city and see if you can come to some consensus about handling those, rather than ranging over the materials from an entire country? That would probably surface the issues and allow discussion & ultimately consensus without too much disruption along the way. And/or you might do well to create a temporary category marked with {{To check category header}} and __HIDDENCAT__ and add it to all of the images you are working on to make it easy to identify and review them. - Jmabel ! talk 15:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
A good suggestion. In User: Jos1950 I've a part for control and in the DR is a "cat Unidentified locations in the DR". I will expand it with a relevant category for newly found and to (re)post images or categories, so I not disturb directly. --Jos1950 (talk) 18:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

July 25Edit

Why are those files in Category:Files with no machine-readable licenseEdit

Files File:Fichtenrüsselkäfer (Hylobius abietis).jpg and File:Maria Vassilakou.jpg are in Category:Files with no machine-readable license, but do have valid license. How should we remove them? --Jarekt (talk) 03:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

They use non-standard permission templates. Ruslik (talk) 19:42, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
I do not see it. I rewrote File:Fichtenrüsselkäfer (Hylobius abietis).jpg a bit so it transcludes Template:Attribution directly. Many other files use that standard license template and are not in Category:Files with no machine-readable license. File:Maria Vassilakou.jpg transcludes Template:GFDL, which is a recognized standard license template. I wonder if this file's issues are related to <div style="clear:both" /> tag Template:Pressefotos Die Gruenen and the file were using. --Jarekt (talk) 20:12, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
your custom Template:Attribution despite the verbiage does not include a license. you might want to fix that before someone nominates for deletion, like copyheart. your Template:Pressefotos Die Gruenen incorporates Template:GFDL which does include a machine readable license, but it is not carrying over. maybe you should put the original template:cc-by-sa-4.0 which is not equivalent, depending on your otrs. Slowking4 § Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 17:01, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I do not know Slowking4. Template:Attribution is a standard license template it has <span class="licensetpl_short" style="display:none;">Attribution</span> marking which AFAIK is enough to be recognized by mediawiki software as a license. 162k files use only that license, like File:Lachduif.jpg, and they do not end up in Category:Files with no machine-readable license. OTRS for File:Maria Vassilakou.jpg only says GFDL, and that template is also used on 4M files, some of them as the only license, and those other files do not end up in Category:Files with no machine-readable license. So what is different for those 2 files, and those are the only unexplained 2 files in that category. --Jarekt (talk) 18:16, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I "fixed" File:Maria Vassilakou.jpg by doing some cosmetic changes to Template:Pressefotos Die Gruenen. It still makes no sense. --Jarekt (talk) 18:31, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-30Edit

19:54, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

July 26Edit

Problems with e-mailEdit

For a while now I have been having trouble with the e-mail user function on here. Normally, I would send e-mails and check the box for receiving a copy of my e-mails. On the English Wikipedia I have never had any problems with receiving copies of my sent e-mails. Since my e-mail access was revoked on there I have been using this site and Meta to send e-mails. Early on I would just have spotty instances where sometimes a copy would not get through and in other instances it would come through much later then when I sent it. As early as the middle of June I have not even been able to receive copies of any e-mails I send out with exactly one exception. Though I have kept records of the sent e-mails, they are not coming into my inbox or my junk mail. By all indications copies of my sent e-mails are just not being received. People still receive my e-mails through the e-mail user function and I still receive their e-mails through it, so it is only affecting copies of my sent e-mails. Given this has only been happening since I started using Commons and Meta for e-mail, I am wondering if this could be some issue with the e-mail user function on these sites. Have there been any others experiencing this issue?--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 00:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Probably the DMARC policy of a freemail provider (if you use a freemail provider)? See phab:T130723, phab:T134886, phab:T136468, phab:T137337... --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:07, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Those all seem to involve complete inability to send or receive e-mails through the e-mail user function, but that isn't my problem. People have responded to my e-mails using the e-mail user function so it seems to specifically affect copies of my e-mails. Just now I attempted to e-mail myself using e-mail user, but I didn't receive it. Could there be an issue specifically affecting my ability to e-mail myself using e-mail user? That is essentially what it means when you have a copy of your e-mails sent.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Tower or gateEdit

Bern trolleybus 12 door poort in 2014.jpg
Is the bus passing a gate under one of Bern´s towers or is it a passage not undeer a tower. A have several pictures of trams passing this gate. I am surprised that there are no pictures of trams passing gates in Bern.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:57, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
It is the tower Käfigturm (Category:Käfigturm) at the street Marktgasse. The street sign can be seen at the left in the picture. --Dannebrog Spy (talk) 18:56, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Featured pictures (manipolations)Edit

Caused by Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Liège-Guillemins Station, Calatrava.jpg/2 I mean we have to consider how to solve such problems. I propose that we allow certain manipolations such as a single mirroring in Featured pictures , if it is mentioned in the description of the file. --Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 20:52, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Well to be fair, all photos are manipulated in one fashion or another. Cameras have built-in digital processing to improve the quality of images. Camera lenses also change the look of a photo, which can include focusing on a close subject while blurring the background. Filters can also be attached to camera lenses to further modify the results of a photo. Panoramic images are usually stitched together which is another form of photo manipulation. Adjusting brightness/contrast, color levels is photo manipulation. It is also common for photos to be taken in raw format and further processed by a image editor before getting the final result. So the question isn't if photo manipulation is allowed, it is. (pulling this number from my arse) but 90% of the photos wouldn't be allowed if we were only allowed to upload images that were the exact view of our eyes sight. I myself don't have a problem with it as long as in more dramatic cases like this it is in the description, so as not to trying to pass something off as something it is not. Offnfopt(talk) 21:18, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
In addition, it's (perhaps disturbingly) routine for nominees as FPC to have all manner of things cloned out, so that we sometimes get a view that couldn't actually be seen (for example, one without electric wires). I think that as long as the manipulation is accurately described, it should be left to the aesthetics of the judges to decide whether to feature the photos or not. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:05, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


Does anyone know if the site is public domain? I can not find it. It involves image Santuario-Mamiferos-Marinos-Banco-de-la-Plata-Navidad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jos1950 (talk • contribs)

  • Under the Berne Convention, pretty much everything is copyrighted be default at time of creation, so I cannot think of any reason to imagine this would be in the public domain. Why do you think it would be? - Jmabel ! talk 22:23, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I could not find anything there, so I asked here. Did find an email address, go ask it there. Thanks. --Jos1950 (talk) 22:31, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

July 27Edit

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