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May 09Edit

India to ban unofficial maps of India with hefty fines (also outside of India)Edit

See this article from the India Times: Showing PoK Or Arunachal Pradesh Outside India On A Map Might Earn You 1 Crore Rs. Fine And 7 Years In Jail Here a part of the text:

...the Centre is planning to soon bring the Geospatial Information Regulation Bill by which such tough provisions will be brought and any person or institution acquiring and disseminating any geospatial imagery or data of any part of India through space or aerial platforms will have to first seek permission and license from a government authority.

This could mean that online platforms like Google will have to apply for a license to run Google Maps or Google Earth in India. The government authority will run "sensitivity checks" on the imagery to protect India's security and sovereignty. Amada44  talk to me 19:16, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Holy cow! That's some freedom of expression gone by the river. --NaBUru38 (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
@NaBUru38, Amada44, Matma Rex: You can find the details of the bill here. My reading of the draft bill tells me that any camera or smartphone that is GPS-enabled would be prohibited in India. Maybe somebody should point this out to the politicians.
PS - AS somebody who is thinking of visiting India early next year, my question is "Do they want to kill the tourist trade?" Martinvl (talk) 21:31, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
And we have many maps of India. Also many of which India would not aprove. What do we do with these? Amada44  talk to me 10:49, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Imho no action is needed, this is not a copyright restriction and Wikimedia Commons is not censored. --Steinsplitter (talk) 10:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)to take mag
<This could mean that online platforms like Google will have to apply for a license to run Google Maps> sounds like we could run into problems too. But you a right, at the moment there is no action needed. Amada44  talk to me 19:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Commons isn't "run" or doing business in India, therefore I'd say we definitely won't run into legal trouble (users from India uploading such content might, just like users in many countries would by uploading content for use in hate speech). Similar to Commons:NCR#"House rules".    FDMS  4    19:41, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
@Amada44: I agree with FDMS comment above. The google stuff is not relevant here. --Steinsplitter (talk) 13:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
@Martinvl: Why ping me? I have no idea what you expect me to do about this, sorry. I don't make India's legislation nor Commons' policies. :) Matma Rex (talk) 13:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

May 13Edit

The upload script doesnt work for single imagesEdit

I fill in all the details but nothing happens. After several tries I added a second image to the upload and then it works perfectly. Its not related to a specific image upload as I had this problem with two images. Generaly I would not be aware of the problem as I mostly upload several pictures at the same time to make efficient use of the copy function.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:44, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

I can say the same. Dominikmatus (talk) 10:53, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
@Smiley.toerist, Dominikmatus: Yeah, sorry, it was a bug in my code that was deployed yesterday. It should be fixed now, see phab:T135200 for details. Matma Rex (talk) 15:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
The upload script has another problem. The automatic nummering of file-name by copying actions doesnt work correctly. It leaves unexplained gaps I have manualy correct.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:48, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
@Smiley.toerist: Yeah, that was a separate issue that was reported here too (#Numbering of files while uploading) and should also be fixed soon. Matma Rex (talk) 13:14, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Template help requestEdit

Could some clued-up editor please create a template? What I'd like is a template for establishment decades in Oceania (e.g. Category:1840s establishments in Oceania, based on the establishment year in Oceania template and creating the categories as per the establishment decades in Asia pages. Once we have the template, I'd be most happy and create the category pages that are currently all redlinks. Schwede66 21:25, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

What do you want this template to do? Ruslik (talk) 16:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Template:Oceaniaestablishmentdecade -> editor adds decade (e.g. "2010" to cover the years 2010 to 2019). Template then creates the category page "Category:Oceania in the 2010s", and establishes the following categories: "Category:Oceania in the 2010s", "Category:Establishments in Oceania by decade", and "Category:2010s establishments by continent" Schwede66 18:44, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Please ping me if you can help, as I shall take this page off my watchlist. Schwede66 18:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Numbering of files while uploadingEdit

Sorry, it should be on Phabricator, but I haven't realised how to do that quickly. So I'm writing here. I had a problems when uploading files and numbering them. When I use 01 and let it copy the titles, it's numbered correctly. But when I use bigger number like 55 it numbers it automaticaly like 57,73,120,280,350. I would expect 55,56,57,58. I'm often uploading many photos with numbering and I'm not using Vicuna Uploader every time. So it would be good to correct it. Dominikmatus (talk) 22:57, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

@Dominikmatus: Thanks for reporting this, I filed a Phabricator task at phab:T135396. Matma Rex (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
@Dominikmatus: I fixed this and the fix should be deployed later today (19:00–21:00 UTC). Matma Rex (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! :) Dominikmatus (talk) 14:29, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

May 15Edit

Administrators sabotaging the Wiki Loves Earth competitionEdit

This is something that makes me really angry. We are currently receiving lots of images from the Wiki Loves Earth competition. These need to be categorized so they can actually be used in the right place. Some years ago, we created a complete set of categories for the more than 1000 nature reserves in the German state of Baden-Württemberg. Many of these cats didn't contain images yet, but they do have descriptions and local categories that were taken from an official database. They also contain a link to another database and map service, and they are linked to from project pages at de.wp. During the current WLE competion that lasts until the end of May, our work started to pay again, and many of these formerly empty categories received their first pictures. What happened next is hard to believe: In the middle of the WLE competion that is anounced prominently at the top of this page, some admins start deleting those "empty" categories that were just about to be filled. And when we persuaded User:JuTa to restore the categories she had deleted, in came User:Jcb and started to delete them again. How can we prevent admins from becoming vandals? --Sitacuisses (talk) 15:05, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

There are some points to be worked on concerning this subject:
  • provide concise examples,
  • make sure of adequate category descriptions hinting to that a filling is to bre expected and pointing out the systematic behind them,
  • eat some melon,
  • go back to the deleting admin, ask for his rationale of deleting,
  • check whether you still need accusations at the Village Pump,
  • keep in mind that Vandals are a populace as Saxons, Lombards, Goths or Huns are, only frowned upon by old Romans.
What's the problem, now? Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
We had the same problem for Russia. Please add templates to the categories saying they are being filled with the competition pictures and should not be deleted.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Grand-Duc, we've been going through that procedure several times now, and we have lost some of our best contributors to it. It's hard to stay mellow, and it's hard to provide examples when they get deleted under your hands. I'll try anyway: Category:Naturschutzgebiet Rheinknie Alter Kopfgrund was deleted and restored by JuTa. It's part of four categories, it contains a short description and a WDPA link. It's linked to from de:Liste der Naturschutzgebiete im Landkreis Rastatt, so that uploaders know were to go to. It has a history of five edits. Somebody actually spent some time to correct it. Anybody who deletes all of this on the basis that it's a "empty category" behaves utterly ignorant to say the least. --Sitacuisses (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Here's a list of JCB's latest deletions:
Some of these had only been restored by JuTa some minutes earlier! So, are we supposed to run from JuTa's talk page to Jcbs talk page and then to the next? Not seriously. What we need is a more responsible deletion policy that prevents admins from becoming vandals, and the village pump is a good place to start this. --Sitacuisses (talk) 16:04, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Please make sure the categories are not empty anymore and then just recreate it. Empty categories do qualify for speedy deletion. Those categories were tagged for speedy deletion. I processed those nominations exactly according to our procedures. Jcb (talk) 16:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
This is too simplistic. We need on Commons also categories for structural needs. Romaine (talk) 03:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
@Sitacuisses: As User:Ymblanter says above, "Please add templates to the categories saying they are being filled with the competition pictures and should not be deleted." I looked, for example, at Category:Naturschutzgebiet Rheinknie Alter Kopfgrund, and it does not have, nor has it ever had, such a template, e.g. {{Empty category}}. - Jmabel ! talk 16:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
@Jcb: We have plenty of precedent for building out a full category scheme to be filled in later in such situations. Yes, these should have been tagged with {{Empty category}}, but presuming they were created by one person or a small number of people I think you would have done a lot better to make contact before mass-deleting. - Jmabel ! talk 16:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
@Jmabel: - I did not tag them for speedy deletion. If a category is tagged for speedy deletion and it's empty, then I delete it. There is no need to invent unnecessary additional procedures. Jcb (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Well, there is the possibility to IAR, isn't it? A bot-like behavior shown by strictly following rules is not always the best thing to improve Commons. So, it's indeed obvious that the VP is a good place to request sound judgements and some thinking beforehand from our admins when they are due to process deletions. My point is, already somehow evidenced by Jcb, that you, Sitacuisses, are gonna have avoidable trouble due to your post voiced in an attacking manner ("sabotaging" and "vandalism" aren't exactly friendly words). This warrants a defensive reaction (cf. the statement "exactly according to our procedures") at its best, but more often an outright refusal of the request. Fortunately, deletions are easily undone and obviously not made in bad faith, so, no harm is to be expected, even if it means that someone has to explain procedural WLE stuff again and again. Maybe we could reach a conclusion, that Wiki competition categories, identified by some template, aren't to be speedily deleted even if empty (that to possibly allow an easier use/tagging for uploaders)? Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
@Sitacuisses, I've restored all cats from the above list, plus the one mentioned by Jmabel, and added {{Empty category}}. However, if some of them remain empty after finishing the WLE competion, it would be nice if you could remove the Empty category-template. --Túrelio (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
If empty cats are created in case of WLE or WLM or whatever reasons they should be tagged {{CatDevelop}} to prevent them from deletion or accidental modification. --Achim (talk) 20:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
This mess was caused by me, sorry for that. The cats redeleted by Jcb had deleted versions before, which inlcuded a year speedy deletion requests. When I restored the cats I restored the versions with the speedy deletion requests too, which were in some cases the current version. This was likely they allready have been deleted and restored before but the 1st restoring admin left the current version deleted. I didn't checked all and every single cat after restoring it (there were about 400 of them), so I missed that some of them included actual speedy deletion requests. --JuTa 02:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
To me, neither {{Empty category}} nor {{CatDevelop}} really fits the mold. In my opinion, in Commons it sometimes makes sense to create empty categories that belong to a certain category scheme, even if we currently have no files that go into them. This helps users to find the correct category when uploading. This also helps with a consistent categorization, because a knowledgeable user can create categories up front and consistently. And this being Commons, categories of current subjects will be filled eventually. The nature reserve categories are a good example, another example are the streets of Berlin: We have a cat for (nearly) every street and 99.9% of them have at least one photo. Nevertheless it makes sense to create cats for the few streets that don't have photos yet. I would suggest to create a new template for cases like that, that would display a warning like {{Empty category}} if it has no files, but does not show anything if it contains files or pages. --Sebari (talk) 14:30, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. There's also no need to delete empty nature reserve categories as soon as the competition is over. Experience has shown that it will take a long time to fix all the categories, and I know that there are lots of uploads of nature reserves even outside of WLE. The bot uploads from Panoramio come to my mind. They are geocoded, but the bot won't add an image to a nature reserve category even if the coordinates would suggest to do so. It still takes some human time to match the images with the empty cats. The fact that the categories already exist makes this work a lot easier. If all these cats need to be created individually, redundance, errors and inconsistencies will be the result. And the next WLE competition will come as well. --Sitacuisses (talk) 00:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
I created {{Prospective category}}, which does not work yet. I think the problem is that Template:Prospective category/i18n still needs to be tagged for translation. --Sebari (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

May 16Edit

Mynewsdesk.com verdictEdit

I'd like to revisit Commons:Village pump/Archive/2016/02#Huge problem with copyright on Mynewsdesk. As an active license reviewer, I've seen this site come up often, but I'll remind that license review is really an external license review (i.e., is the image available under the license it says it is) rather than a full DR-style copyright investigation about whether the uploader has the rights. To review the previous thread, Mynewsdesk.com is a site for marketers with a default upload license of cc-by-sa. On one hand, it's the job of the uploader to review what this means, and on the other, the site doesn't do an adequate job of warning uploaders that the default license allows commercial re-use. As a result, we get a ton of promo photos that the marketer does not own the copyright to relicense (being the marketer and not necessarily the copyright owner). I lean towards the recommendation that we should not accept files directly from the website while they default to cc-by-sa. I think it makes more sense to follow an item's source attribution and retrieve confirmation there. I find that I'm rarely able to find a cc-by-sa license at the origin site, hence my opinion in this discussion. At the very, very least, if we do not outright block the site, we need to have some sort of template to warn Commons users about how this site uses the license and what kind of discretion they should bring when doing their own license verification. See also Category:Mynewsdesk-related deletion requests. Pinging prior discussants: @Vätte, Revent, Josve05a, Denniss, Gunnex czar 15:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Symbol support vote.svg Support As someone who is not deeply into DRs and license reviews, I have had the name mynewsdesk come up often enough to think that this makes sense. --Sebari (talk) 15:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I've had that template idea too. I've seen many photos uploaded to Commons from Mynewsdesk, that really should not be on Commons, and once upon a time, I myself uploaded some photos from Mynewsdesk because they were labeled with a CC-license. Those photos were later removed. -abbedabbtalk 16:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support per what Czar says. It is a problematic website that recurs often enough to warrant a more substantial policy/guidance. Green Giant (talk) 01:40, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Would it be useful to add an entry for Mynewsdesk on COM:Problematic sources or maybe even COM:Bad sources? --Gazebo (talk) 06:40, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support, but really they should all be deleted under the precautionary principal because their copyright status is unclear. I'll support this for now but MyNewsDesk has been a thorn for many years with several discussions, even this one back in 2012 when Axel Pettersson was making contact with them, but it appears he never made any progress. Back then several Sony images were deleted that were obvious copyright violations of obvious US copyright images. I think we should take a much stronger stance and delete them all unless they are verified as freely licenced, even those that have previously been nominated and kept. They should require an OTRS email but based on the many emails I sent to all the listed Sony reps back in 2012 and receiving no replies of any kind, we should become much stricter with this source. I estimate currently there are between 2800 and 3300 images from this source up from 125 four years ago. COM:Bad sources might be too strict right now but COM:Problematic sources would seem reasonable as not everything will carry a false licence. Ww2censor (talk) 23:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

A new "Welcome" dialogEdit

Hello everyone. This is a heads-up about a change which has just been announced in Tech News: Add the "welcome" dialog (with button to switch) to the wikitext editor.

In a nutshell, later this week this will provide a one-time "Welcome" message in the wikitext editor which explains that anyone can edit, and every improvement helps. The user can then start editing in the wikitext editor right away, or switch to the visual editor. (This is the equivalent of an already existing welcome message for visual editor users, which suggests the option to switch to the wikitext editor. If you have already seen this dialog in the visual editor, you will not see the new one in the wikitext editor.)

  • I want to make sure that, although users will see this dialog only once, they can read it in their language as much as possible. Please read the instructions if you can help with that.
  • I also want to underline that the dialog does not change in any way current site-wide and personal configurations of the visual editor. Nothing changes permanently for users who chose to hide the visual editor in their Preferences or for those who don't use it anyway, or for wikis where it's still a Beta Feature, or for wikis where certain groups of users don't get the visual editor tab, etc.
    • There is a slight chance that you see a few more questions than usual about the visual editor. Please refer people to the documentation or to the feedback page, and feel free to ping me if you have questions too!
  • Finally, I want to acknowledge that, while not everyone will see that dialog, many of you will; if you're reading this you are likely not the intended recipients of that one-time dialog, so you may be confused or annoyed by it—and if this is the case, I'm truly sorry about that. This message also avoids that you have to explain the same thing over and over again—just point to this section. Please feel free to cross-post this message at other venues on this wiki if you think it will help avoid that users feel caught by surprise by this change.

If you want to learn more, please see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800; if you have feedback or think you need to report a bug with the dialog, you can post in that task (or at mediawiki.org if you prefer).

Thanks for your attention and happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 16:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Obviously one of the more annoying things from the WMF. Here the visual editor that you do not use because it is lousy is now giving us a popup to be sure that you know that it exists. Which you can not read to tell what it says because you do not speak that language. Please make it go away. Yes we know there is a visual editor and no we do not want to use it - ever. Delphi234 (talk) 21:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Wholeheartedly agreeing with Delphi234 above. This is something Wikimedia has built itself on not being; stop trying to emulate the worse aspects of trendy websites, WMF! -- Tuválkin 00:54, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

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How is it that the banner for picture of the year is randomly appearing? I was greatly enjoying a respite from anything at the top and now it is sometimes there and sometimes not. Where it is a problem is appearing when I am editing a page. I hit preview to see the text I have entered, and when I try to click on it to change something, it moves because the banner shows up, and I inadvertently am editing somewhere else. It is pretty annoying. Is there any way to suppress it when action=edit is true? (It is not here now.) Delphi234 (talk) 01:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

The traffic of this campagn is limited to 20% of the total. So, you should see it only 20% of time. Ruslik (talk) 10:41, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Map templateEdit

Hi! In the city center of Moscow there are streets, where has a lot of notable buildings and monuments. Is there a template, which will show in the map of the street locations of buildings, which are subcategories of the street category? Otherway it is a bit messy, such template will easy navigation --Stolbovsky (talk) 09:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

AttributionEdit

Hi! I found a pic I took and uploaded to Commons 3-4 years ago on the internet. The issue that worries me is that the non-attributed use is performed by an official institution not a John Doe. Is it correct to put a warning in the file description such as this one? Thanks in advance.--Asqueladd (talk) 10:16, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

There's Template:Published that can be added to file Talk pages. --ghouston (talk) 10:52, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Use {{Published}} on the talk page, set legal=no. Also, you should feel very free to contact the offending web site or institution. - Jmabel ! talk 14:12, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Freedom of Panorama in FranceEdit

I saw that earlier this year the French National Assembly approved a new law on the freedom of panorama, allowing the use of images of buildings if they're on public streets, and for non-lucrative purposes (such as Wiki Commons). But just today I've had several images of a French museum (The Musee de Quai Branly) deleted from Commons as a violation of the freedom of panorama law. Does anyone know the current status of this law, if it is now in effect, and when (or if) Wikipedia policy is going to reflect that change? Many thanks for your guidance. SiefkinDR (talk) 16:29, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Non-commercial clauses are not compatible with Commons. Storkk (talk) 17:02, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
More clearly: it's not that we'd be in any legal trouble for hosting such images, it's just that we choose as a policy not to host images with such a restriction. - Jmabel ! talk 00:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
If I understand you correctly, even if it's now permitted by French law, it's not allowed by Wiki Commons to put up pictures of public buildings (the Musee Quai Branly, the Louvre Pyramid, the new museum in the Bois de Boulogne, the new symphony hall, etc., if the architects have not been dead for seventy years? I wrote the article on architecture in Paris, and that means I can't put up pictures of any buildings constructed since World War II. I don't see the logic of that. SiefkinDR (talk) 09:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
See COM:Licensing/Justifications... Essentially, using files with non-commercial licenses in your article, nobody could use your article on a website supported by advertising, or charge a fee for a CD/paper copy, or do any number of other things. Storkk (talk) 09:34, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
I appreciate your explanation, but you can understand how this interpretation of the law makes it impossible for editors like me to write to an article about contemporary architecture in France. Wikipedia France lobbied hard to have the law changed, the law was changed, but now Wikicommons refuses to accept the change because the law didn't do everything originally asked. I hope that Commons can modify its policy so that images of buildings in France can be be used, with the restriction that they cannot be used for commercial purposes, in accordance with French law. . SiefkinDR (talk) 10:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
There was a campaign against the non-commercial restriction too, but it wasn't successful. [1]. --ghouston (talk) 10:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
It's unlikely that the Commons policy will change. I think it may be imposed by the Wikimedia Foundation. What you can do is write the article without illustrations, or write instead about the architecture of a country with more friendly laws. --ghouston (talk) 11:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Also you can investigate if the wiki where you want to write the article would allow uploading images, since they can have different rules. --ghouston (talk) 11:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Note that this strict policy on Commons does not apply to French or English Wikipedais that have more relaxed rules (e.g. for organization logos) and so they allow a limited use on a "scoped" page directly about the subject.
So you may still upload these images on French Wikipedia (may be they'll be imported too in English Wikipedia to to its allowed "fair use" for direct citations).
This will still cause problems when using the Wikipedia articles on other commercial sites, so these images must be properly tagged so that they can be automatically filtered out on those commercial sites (replaced by some blank image of the same size if these sites want to preserve the layout).
But Commons is not about making focused articles but just about storing collections of images. However Commons can properly store and display the licence requirements.
I see very little incentive for commercial sites to use directly images from Commons without the proper link or info panel for the attributions and licence (I think this is illegal even if the images are "free" for use). However these sites need a correct way to autodetect images that would not satisfy the NC restriction (including US "fair use" images). Those commercial sites could be (e.g.) social networks pages for users around the world (Facebook/Twitter/Google+ need a way to automatically reject these images if they accept images from external links, even if they have a strong policy that their users should obey).
For now the restriction just means that images are too much frequently (and needlessly) imported in several Wikipedias instead, wasting space when they would be better managed in one place on Commons with the correct licencing tags, and then easily reused on all Wikipedias that accept these images (those wikipedias can also autodetect these tags, if they don't accept the NC restriction and they don't have enough local admins to manage the flow of images: Automatically those Wikipedias would replace the image with an null image showing the non-free restriction, without having to check if these pages are directly related to the topic; the other wikipedias with enough active admins could place those images on hold in a tracking list to allow them to be displayed in specific pages). We would also allow better cooperation between Wikipedias accepting those images.
Commons itself would not display these images by default for searches, or would list them in specific ranges of categories, possibly even in a specific namespace (such as "Restricted file:", and "Restricted media:"). and these same namespaces could also be used on Wikipedia instead of feeding the standard collection of files (no need to create new categories for restricted images they would be listed separately and only for extended searches or by clickin a button to show also the restricted files).
Image galleries could also autodetect these images (according to their namespace) to force the rendering of a minimal banner about them with a link to the restriction. That banner should be always present, and the description page should probably include a short text line showing the "copyright line". When rendering those files as images embedded in pages, it would not be possible to override the link to the description page showing copyright statements and attributions. That short text line would also be rendered on top of all restricted images if their thumbnail size is large enough (this could be reducted to a single "copyright" character if needed to fit), except tiny icons (e.g. less than 40x40px). Such addition of visible text would be performed directly by the thumbnail renderer on the image server, without using custom HTML (standard HTML anchar tags would still be needed for activating the link to the attribution page).
Note also that many image formats are also internally some metatags specifically designed to include such attributions or restrictions of use: these can be decoded without even having to fill it the description page with Wikitext (those infos would be displayed directly on the description page, in a specific table: author, date of creation, copyright line, link to licencing terms), and sometimes these are even encoded in a standard RDF format r similar (for some media types we can support on Commons: e.g. JPEG/MPEG formats for image/audio/video/subtitles..., PNG, OGG, PDF, MSoffice/LibreOffice formats, OpenType fonts...).
verdy_p (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
The English Wikipedia accepts photos of copyrighted architectural works that were photographed in countries where there is no freedom of panorama (such as France.) For such photos, there is the {{FoP-USonly}} copyright tag. From what one understands, such photos are not subject to the English Wikipedia's non-free content criteria because the US has FOP for architectural works. Also, unlike Commons, the English Wikipedia operates under US law only.
According to the information in COM:FOP#France, it appears that the French Wikipedia has an exception where photos of copyrighted architectural works are allowed, but with many more restrictions than the English Wikipedia's policy on FOP and architectural works. (Some of the restrictions seem to be similar to the English Wikipedia non-free content criteria, such as not using more photos than necessary and only using a photo where it is directly relevant to an article's content.) --Gazebo (talk) 07:47, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Does it actually mean that there is no way anymore to let France establish a full FoP some day? I'm asking this because I had also signed that petition still linked to on Christian Ferrer's userpage, and I of course don't know how was the further process... --A.Savin 15:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

  • It seems, since the 3 may, the law was passed by the Senate from no FoP to FoP with no commercial reuse. The petition is still open and I just asked to Wikimedia France if they left open because there is still a chance of evolution. I wait for an answer... Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, this is very helpful. It's nearly impossible now to write about French architecture since World War II under the current rules. Pictures of the Pompidou Center and other landmarks are not allowed. The only pictures available now are these that a few architects have very kindly either put on WIkimedia themselves or allowed to be used, An article on architecture without pictures is like an article on Rembrandt without any illustrations. The best solution, I think, would be to allow uploading of images of French buildings to Commons with the notice given that these images cannot be used for lucrative purposes. Bravo to Wikipedia France for moving this through the National Assembly and Senate even in incomplete form. I hope their good work can be put to use. SiefkinDR (UTC)
As already stated, there is really no possibility on Commons to host "non-commercial only" images; but maybe there is a way to upload them on French and/or English Wikipedia under a more restrictive license. You may want to ask the local Village Pump resp. the community of French/English WP for advice. --A.Savin 14:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
For photos of buildings in countries where there is only non-commercial FOP or basically no FOP (such as France) but where the photo itself is freely licensed (i.e. CC BY-SA), it is possible to upload such photos to the English Wikipedia. For example, there is this photo of the Museum of European and Mediterranean Civilisations (MuCEM) in Marseille, France. More information about the English WP policy is available at the page for the {{FoP-USonly}} copyright tag. For the French Wikipedia, some of the information under COM:FOP#France which talks about a local exception on the French WP may be useful. --Gazebo (talk) 10:23, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

May 18Edit

Sad newEdit

Hi everybody,

For those who know this excellent macro-photographer and very good friend, Please notice that our fellow Jee's wife passed away two days ago, monday morning in Kerala, India, due to disease. She was 35 years old.--Jebulon (talk) 23:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

I express my condolences to Jeevan Jose and entire family. I think, Jose might be encouraged by her for the excellent photographs. May her soul rest in peace. -- Biswarup Ganguly (talk) 14:09, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
+1--Jarekt (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

May 19Edit

aziz saadiEdit

je suis voudrai ecrere dan wikipedia et fait des photo —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 105.148.138.136 (talk) 03:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Support for Wiki Loves Africa 2016Edit

After two highly successful years, we have drafted the grant request for Wiki Loves Africa 2016. We need your help in two ways:

  1. Don't forget to vote on the theme for 2016.
  2. Please endorse the project on this page if you think it is a cool project (whether you plan to participate or not).

Main changes this year (which will impact on numbers of participants and levels of entires) are:

  • We asked that more money goes towards the local teams (to do more events, have local winners and prizes, etc.)
  • We are changing host organisation (the new host is a swiss non profit)
  • We would like to involve Elisabeth Coye, who has been working for Wikimedia France for several years now on fundraising matters, to improve accounting and reporting (to have it more consistant, more informative and hopefully more straightforward and simpler for participants)

Any questions or suggestions, please let us know! Anthere and Islahaddow (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

I read «The ability to add your own option will close on the 15th May 2016. (now closed)». Heh, thanks very much for the timely warning. And of course my would-be suggestion (Language diversity and endangered languages) is not among the available options, which instead stress the tired overdones (more lions and zebras?) and the iffy clichés (FVM, anyone?) — so sad.
Also, why the «__NOTOC__» magic word in that page? Design (or rather “purtiness”) over readability?
-- Tuválkin 00:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

My Account has been blockedEdit

I am trying to make a wikipedia page to factually write about International Cleaning Service - Not an advert, but it has been blocked.

Please can you unblock this and let my page work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by International Cleaning Services (talk • contribs) 14:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

This is Wikimedia Commons, and we have no power to unblock you on English Wikipedia. On your English Wikipedia talk page, en:User talk:International Cleaning Services there are crystal clear instructions on how to request an unblock. You will have to choose a new name, since your name violates Wikipedia's username policy which is also linked from your talk page, but for convenience you can find at en:Wikipedia:Username_policy#Promotional_names. Storkk (talk) 14:49, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

May 20Edit

Hired talent excells at categorizationEdit

Anyone to ruminate on this one edit, perpetrated (on a Featured image, no less) by someone whose username ends with "_(WMF)"? -- Tuválkin 00:31, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

The October 2015 categorization lag is backEdit

I'm sure plenty of people remember the problems we had with HotCat and Cat-a-Lot last fall. Well now they seem to be happening again. Is this just happening with me, or are there other editors experiencing this? ----DanTD (talk) 04:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

  • I'm getting this too, and have been since roughly 01:35. That's the time when I uploaded File:Sam Esmail at SXSW 2016.jpg -- as of right now, that file still won't appear in Category:Sam Esmail. No categorization I've done since that file has worked either. I talked with User:Majora about it on #wikipedia-en-help, and they were experiencing it as well. -IagoQnsi (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Update: Looks like the job backlog is currently at 149,000 jobs, and consistently rising: [2]. -IagoQnsi (talk) 04:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes, it looks a little off. I'll investigate. --Ori Livneh (talk) 05:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC) (WMF)
  • An ALTER TABLE operation on the master database host for Commons held a lock too long, causing queries to pile up. We just killed the ALTER TABLE query and things are flowing again, though please allow up to an hour for the backlog to clear. --Ori Livneh (talk) 06:02, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

BBC connectionEdit

JAFAspinall.png

Does he have any connection with the BBC as the category would suggest? And what is name of this ship? (His name is on the poster)Smiley.toerist (talk) 14:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Sir John Audley Frederick Aspinall, so others don't also have to click through to find out.
  • And I think the only connection to the BBC is that the image came from their site. - Jmabel ! talk 14:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

File:Facebook like thumb.pngEdit

Not sure what to do about this: File:Facebook like thumb.png has been the subject of three deletion requests, in October 2011, March 2012 and June 2012, all back when the image was a simple 16×15 pixel icon. In October 2012 the image was "improved" to a massive 2,000×1,713 pixel image by UserːLMFAO, with shading and a cuff button, retaining the same "The thumb graphic from the Facebook "like" button." description. It's unclear whether this was drawn freehand, or lifted from a higher-resolution corner of Facebook.

Should this be redescribed, renamed (if it's not the Facebook icon any more), reverted, or something else? --McGeddon (talk) 15:32, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

The 2000px is a rendered raster of File:Botón Me gusta.svg... -- AnonMoos (talk) 05:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Which still raises the same question: File:Botón Me gusta.svg is described as "The thumb graphic from the Facebook "like" button.", authored by User:Enoc vt and it "may be protected as a trademark in some jurisdictions". Is it an actual Facebook graphic or just a representation of one? --McGeddon (talk) 08:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

WMF staff who do not understand licensingEdit

I recently nominated a number of Wikipedia screenshots uploaded by a WMF staffer for deletion (DR). In response, JKatz (WMF) told me: You are correct that Nirzar and I were not aware that attribution requirements applied to screenshots of Wikipedia for use in discussing Wikipedia. Facepalm (yellow).svg This isn't a one-off: see Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by KHammerstein (WMF). On the other hand, many WMF staff do use the proper attribution and license templates. Thoughts? Has this issue come up before? BethNaught (talk) 21:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

This comment from Maggie Dennis is relevant. BethNaught (talk) 22:47, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi BethNaught. I looked into this a bit the other day. I see a bunch of failures on Commons' part. Looking at File:Link 2.png, for example:
  • it was uploaded in October 2014 and only now is anyone noticing and saying something;
  • the upload appropriately includes description text and licensing info (great!), but is still wrong because it's missing source information; and
  • the file name ("Link 2.png") should not have been allowed as it's much too generic (same with "Media-01.png" and others).
There are people, inside and outside of the Wikimedia Foundation, who regularly screw up uploading to Commons. Perhaps we should revisit making uploading to Commons less error-prone. I think focusing on a specific organization misses the larger point: it isn't "WMF staff who do not understand licensing", it's "most users who try to upload to Commons do not understand licensing". :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 01:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Your comments are all on point; my point was that the WMF should train their staff about licensing. Maggie Dennis says they are supposed to but the training process is not always well delivered. I was wondering if there had been issues on Commons previously about this. Given you have not mentioned any such, I will presume that no significant issues have heretofore come to wide attention.
As to making uploading to Commons less error-prone, I would welcome any ideas, but it's a well-known fact that many (most?) people don't read instructions and just try to upload the image as quickly as possible. You know this, I am sure. As far as I can think, the only option to ensure all Commons contributors understand essential licensing issues would be to force people to take a test, but that's not going to happen. BethNaught (talk) 18:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
It goes deeper: Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by DannyH (WMF). BethNaught (talk) 19:06, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
BethNaught, you made your point, nominating more files would be a bit too pointy. It would be better if you correct the files like Courcelles did. Multichill (talk) 20:27, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Oops.
But seriously, it's not my bloody job to fix what messes WMF staff have made. Neither is it yours, nor Courcelles'. I am aware of what Courcelles has done so far and I am both grateful and somewhat incredulous. Quite frankly, I will not take kindly to being told to fix the failures of the WMF, an organisation which promotes free knowledge, to abide by the basic attribution rights of the software and content contributors who make what it does possible. Besides, I just spent an hour looking for the problems. The time to fix them will be orders of magnitude more. Just no. BethNaught (talk) 20:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
I too have been very frustrated by this issue in the past. However, I just got an email on my work account about how its important to properly license things when you upload to commons, so I believe that WMF is taking this issue seriously. Bawolff (talk) 22:53, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

May 22Edit

What License?Edit

Hello I want to upload a photo of a school but I do not know what license I should use for that because under the photo said Image Credit: Contributed Photo can you help me to find a license for this picture? First photo in this blog --Qian Nivan (talk) 07:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

  • There is no indication that photo is free-licensed, and no reason to think it would be in the public domain. Therefore, there is no reason to think it would be OK to upload to Commons, unless you could (through the website) find out who the photographer is and get that person's permission (via COM:OTRS) to upload it. - Jmabel ! talk 16:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

What License #2?Edit

Hi, I have upload file:Toulouse cassini 1815.tif, what licence applied ? Map is PD, but there is an OSM overlay. --Rulhe (talk) 08:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

  • That is certainly {{PD-100}}, and the date should be 1815, not 21 May 2016. I'll make the fix myself. - Jmabel ! talk 16:47, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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Deletion requestEdit

I nominated my file for deletion, but the request was denied. Does Wikimedia have the rights to own my file after i upload it? Does Wikimedia have the rights to keep it even if i am the author and i want it to be deleted? - Avatar9n (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

The CC-licence is irrevocable. --Magnus (talk) 10:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Convenience link: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mosin-nagant ecomare.JPG. And, as Magnus said, "I no longer want it to be shared" is not a valid reason for deletion. - Jmabel ! talk 16:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Wikimedia doesn't own your file, but you granted Wikimedia (and anyone else) a permanent license to use it, and cannot simply revoke that. - Jmabel ! talk 00:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Pinging Avatar9n Poké95 12:15, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Can i change the licences of my files? If so, is there a licence which prohibits others from having a copy of it (or from sharing it)? I know those who already have it can keep it. - Avatar9n (talk) 15:08, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

As two other editors have told you, you cannot revoke the license you have granted for the file once it has been unloaded. You cannot control or prevent anyone from using it (including downloading and redistributing it themselves) within the limits of that license. You can cease distributing it yourself, or only continue distributing it under some other commercial or restrictive license. But again, you explicitly made an non-revokable license when you uploaded it. DMacks (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

May 23Edit

Categories for people by yearEdit

I noticed several of this kind of category being created recently (for example, Category:Felicia Day by year and Category:Wil Wheaton by year). (I didn't check them all, but those two were both created by User:IagoQnsi.) It seems to me that this type of category isn't needed for everyone. I think they're most useful when there is a fairly large number of photos of the person for each of several years (see, for example, Category:Bill Clinton by year), and even then not every photo of the person needs to be in a subcategory of these. If there aren't that many, these categories just make it harder to find general photos. I think several of the recent ones don't have that many, and I'd discourage creating these just because we can. Comments? --Auntof6 (talk) 07:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

  • I certainly wouldn't consider such as scheme on anyone for whom we had less than 50 photos; conversely at about 500 photos, this becomes almost compulsory. I believe the examples given are in between, so I'm neutral on these. - Jmabel ! talk 14:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
    • Thanks, User:Jmabel. I was looking for input on both the recent ones and in these in general, so your input is still helpful. For you, would it matter how many files were in the subcategories? For example, what if among 50 images, 40 of them were for one year and the rest were each for separate years? --Auntof6 (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
      • It would probably be really useful to have an easy way to spot the few that were from another time, and these categories would help. For example, consider Category:Mariide, still small enough to eyeball, no reason to break it down. Imagine if we had a ton of photos from this year; it might be very useful to easily spot that one other photo we have of her is from 40 years ago. Though if there were a bunch of them each from one different year, as in your example, it wouldn't work so well. But consider Category:Solstice Cyclists (content of subcats a bit NSFW, just happened to come to mind; NSFW won't arise if you don't click through to the subcats). It seems to me that it's as useful to be able to spot the years for which we have only one or two photos as to see that there is one for which we have 483. - Jmabel ! talk 22:15, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Hey Auntof6, thanks for the comment. I agree that breaking down into yearly categories doesn't make sense for small categories, and to that end, I've reverted a couple of instances where I did that that seem silly in hindsight. For Wil Wheaton and especially for Felicia Day, however, I think there are enough photos to justify needing to break into categories. I think the solution to make it easier to find general photos is to make excellent galleries for these people. To that end, I plan to work on the Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day galleries some time today or tomorrow. Cheers, IagoQnsi (talk) 18:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
    • @IagoQnsi: Good idea, this is a case where some hand-curation would help a lot. - Jmabel ! talk 22:16, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
      • Why not categorise by decade? This might be a good solution for middling-sized categories... Mabalu (talk) 22:30, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Spanish speaking linguistic mapEdit

Hello! For a couple of days,, I have a discussion on this linguistic map Hablantes nativos de español en Europa. I would like to have a neutral point of view on this disagreement. What is the best source map to use and also what are the colors of the legend (neutrality) has to be used ? So If you want to give us your opinion on the subject, you're welcome. Smiley.svg Thank you --Zorion (talk) 12:03, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

  • I've written some remarks on the linked talk page, which is probably where this discussion should stay. - Jmabel ! talk 22:29, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-21Edit

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May 24Edit

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