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Christmas crosswordEdit

EFF Crossword Puzzle 2014: The Year in Copyright News

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has published this (copyright related) crossword which you can play online at It makes a nice break from feeding yourself with Christmas treats. Happy holidays everyone. Classic smiley.svg (talk)   16:57, 25 December 2014‎ (UTC)

Monument Template for the Archaeological Survey Database of IrelandEdit

I seek support for creating a monument template for the objects of the Archaeological Survey of Ireland (commonly known as the Sites and Monuments Record) which is maintained by the Irish National Monuments Service, Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht. This ArcGIS-based database at stores all recorded monuments of the Republic of Ireland of the period before AD 1700. There exists a different database for newer objects (see NIAH).

Object with the id ‘DG021-008004-’

All objects in this database have an id. Take ‘DG021-008004-’ as example where ‘DG’ stands for County Donegal, ‘021’ for the map sheet 021 of the old Ordnance Survey Maps of Ireland (see here for a set these maps, sorted by county), ‘008’ for a particular site on a map sheet, and ‘004’ for an individual recorded object on a site. The number combined of the site and the individual object is enclosed in dashes. Each of these objects is classified according to a fixed class list. ‘DG021-008004-’, for example, is classified as Shrine.

The ArcGIS-API is supported and allows to retrieve the stored database entry including its textual description (but without images) by its object id using the find method. Following parameters are required:

  • Search Text: the object id, e.g. ‘DG021-008004-’
  • Contains: true
  • Search Fields: Record Number
  • Layers: 0
  • Return Geometry: True

In summary, the URL is fixed with the exception of the object id. Example: The URL to retrieve the record for ‘DG021-008004-’ is

I would like to have a monument template that

  • requires the specification of the object id (possibly with a check of the trailing dash),
  • optionally allows to specify its classification,
  • provides a link to the object description, and
  • puts the category or file in appropriate monument categories for Ireland, possibly specialized using the classification and per county.

Any comments? Who could help? Thanks for your support, AFBorchert (talk) 21:26, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Looks like the Monuments database already contains some stuff from Ireland. These appear to be national monuments. Would {{Archaeological Survey of Ireland}} be a suitable name for the template AFBorchert? Multichill (talk) 18:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your support, Multichill. I hoped you would help :) Last year Ireland participated for the first time in WLM but with a very limited set of monuments that did not even include all national monuments. Monuments are protected in Ireland
  • if they are national monuments (restricted to the most prominent monuments, nearly 1,000),
  • if they are registered in the record of monuments and places (RMP) (about 140,000 objects), or
  • if they are included in the register of historic monuments (RHM) (no information).
The database of the Archaeological Survey of Ireland includes most of the national monuments and all RMP objects. As this database is restricted to objects that existed prior to AD 1700, it does not include national monuments like Patrick Pearse's Cottage which derives its notability just from the fact that Patrick Pearse was born in it. I guess that the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage (NIAH) is intended to the fill the gap of to be protected modern structures but these objects are not yet considered protected monuments according to Irish law. I think that the proposed name, i.e. Archaeological Survey of Ireland, is appropriate as it is the official name of the database. It is just important to note that a small amount of objects of this database are not protected monuments but included due to technical or historic reasons. But for all practical means in regard to WLM and identifying Irish monuments in the context of Commons it appears best to rely on this database.
Our heritage database you refer to currently uses for Irish national monuments short ids in the Identifier column. These short ids are sequentially assigned in the order of granting the status of a national monument to an object. Unfortunately these short ids of national monuments do not, to my knowledge, allow to access an object in the database of the Archaeological Survey of Ireland. Take, for example, the fifth object I see in this list with the national monument id 166. Its object id in the database of the Archaeological Survey of Ireland is ‘GA058-004001-’ which gives you this record which does not include the national monument id, nor does it tell anything about its status beyond stating that it is protected. --AFBorchert (talk) 19:49, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I've found another URL that not only allows to access the text in the database but to jump directly into the FlexViewer. FlexViewer is unfortunately based on Flash but shows the map (from the Ordnance Survey of Ireland which is very detailed) and allows to access pictures and objects in the neighborhood. The object id can be fortunately used using the id parameter. Examples:

If you follow these URLs, give it a little bit of time. When the FlexViewer starts, a view of the entire island of Ireland is presented, then the database is automatically queried and the FlexViewer zooms to the designated object. On the right hand side in the FlexViewer you will see the Query data window that can list multiple objects as table consisting of the SMR No (the object id), Class (as described above), and Townland (the smallest geographical division in Ireland, see here). A double-click on the line with the object id pops up a small window that allows you to access the associated text in the database if you click -expand-. Record Details leads you to a downloadable PDF. Perhaps it is best for the template to provide both sorts of links, to the text-based database excerpt (as shown above) that does not need Flash, and to FlexViewer. --AFBorchert (talk) 08:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

February 19Edit

Category:Concert photographyEdit

This seems counterproductive to me, but since it was done by a bot it may be part of something larger of which I'm unaware. If I were looking for photographs of musical performances, I would not think to go down the hierarchy via Category:Concerts in art. In fact, I'd be very surprised to find any ordinary photographs of musical performances there at all. I'm not sure why Category:Concert photography exists at all (normally the bulk of the content of most categories is photographic, so just how is this distinct from Category:Concerts other than specifically leaving out, say, posters, programs, drawings etc.), but if it is going to have roughly its present content I think it is very foolish to have it only under Category:Concerts in art rather than be reachable directly from Category:Concerts.

Also, can anyone explain what's going on here and what this bot was doing more broadly, because I'm afraid it may have introduced many other similar issues. - Jmabel ! talk 16:31, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

en:Concert photography is its own concept but I agree that everything in these categories on Commons should be under the top level category of Category:Concerts. ButkoBot, what is happening here? Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
@Butko: Perhaps it would be good to invite Butko to the discussion.
My guess is that the bot removes overcategorizations but Commons:Bots/Requests/ButkoBot is not very specific. If this is indeed the intention, it would be perhaps helpful to refer to COM:OVERCAT in the edit summaries of the bot which currently appear too unspecific. --AFBorchert (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, looks like the bot is fixing a simple overcat, but in the wrong direction: it shouldn't have been in "Concerts in art" in the first place. I'll move it to Concerts. I also agree that the category is undesirable and its contents should be merged into subcategories of Category:Concerts, although it would be quite a bit of work. --ghouston (talk) 21:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
I suggest in the meantime renaming it to "Unclassified concerts" with a description that says "The contents of this category should be added to more specific subcategories of Category:Concerts. --ghouston (talk) 22:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Bot removed Category:Concerts because Category:Concert photography was in Category:Concerts in art (per COM:OVERCAT). Now Category:Concert photography has been moved to Category:Concerts. As for me, I don't see sense of this category with current content. It equal to Category:Concerts. Sense will be if category contains specific subcategories such us: awards in genre of concert photography, accreditations for photographers on concerts, famous photographers in this genre, specific equipement, quality/featured/valued photos on Wikimedia Commons, etc --Butko (talk) 07:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Butko, as guessed. Could you please adjust the edit comments of your bot, i.e. if your bot edits the categories of a file because of COM:OVERCAT it would be helpful if the bot would refer to COM:OVERCAT in the corresponding edit summary. This allows the users to understand what is happening and to get informed. Regards, AFBorchert (talk)

Structured data on Commons updateEdit


After a delay in updates to the Structured data on Commons project, I wanted to catch you up with what has been going on over the past three months. In short: The project is on hold, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening.

The meeting in Berlin in October provided the engineering teams with a lot to start on. Unfortunately the Structured Data on Commons project was put on hold not too long after this meeting. Development of the actual Structured data system for Commons will not begin until more resources can be allocated to it.

The Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Germany have been working to improve the Wikidata query process on the back-end. This is designed to be a production-grade replacement of WikidataQuery integrated with search. The full project is described at will benefit the structured data project greatly since developing a high-level search for Commons is a desired goal of this project.

The Wikidata development team is working on the arbitrary access feature. Currently it's only possible to access items that are connected to the current page. So for example on Vincent van Gogh you can access the statements on Q5582, but you can't access these statements on Category:Vincent van Gogh or Creator:Vincent van Gogh. With arbitrary access enabled on Commons we no longer have this limitation. This opens up the possibility to use Wikidata data on Creator, Institution, Authority control and other templates instead of duplicating the data (what we do now). This will greatly enhance the usefulness of Wikidata for Commons.

To use the full potential of arbitrary access the Commons community needs to reimplement several templates in LUA. In LUA it's possible to use the local fields and fallback to Wikidata if it's not locally available. Help with this conversion is greatly appreciated. The different tasks are tracked in phabricator, see .

Volunteers are continuing to add data about artworks to Wikidata. Sometimes an institution website is used and sometimes data is being transfered from Commons to Wikidata. Wikidata now has almost 35.000 items about paintings. This is done as part of the WikiProject sum of all paintings. This helps us to learn how to model and refine metadata about artworks. Experience that will of course be very useful for Commons too.

Additionally, the metadata cleanup drive continues to produce results. The drive, which is intended to identify files missing {{information}} or the like structured data fields and to add such fields when absent, has reduced the number of files missing information by almost 100,000 on Commons. You can help by looking for files with similarly-formatted description pages, and listing them at Commons:Bots/Work requests so that a bot can add the {{information}} template on them.

At the Amsterdam Hackathon in November 2014, a couple of different models were developed about how artwork can be viewed on the web using structured data from Wikidata. You can browse two examples here and here. These examples can give you an idea of the kind of data that file pages have the potential to display on-wiki in the future.

The Structured Data project is a long-term one, and the volunteers and staff will continue working together to provide the structure and support in the back-end toward front-end development. There are still many things to do to help advance the project, and I hope to have more news for you in the near future. Contact me any time with questions, comments, concerns.

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:17, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

User:Keegan (WMF) says that «volunteers are continuing to add data about artworks to Wikidata.» This is intriging: Why are Wikidata volunteers entering data instead of building/improving the database functionalities? The task of curating media files, which includes adding data about artworks, belongs to Commons — and it is surely being done. Are these volunteers duplicating Commons’ efforts? That’s bad. Are they merely transfering, or piping-through, data from Commons into Wikidata (which is the right thing to do), and User:Keegan (WMF) is misrepresenting this, causing unaware people who read the above to overestimate Wikidata’s curating efforts and ignore Commons’? That’s also bad. -- Tuválkin 19:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

February 20Edit

Stereoscopic image formats support (.JPS and .MPO)Edit

*.MPO stereo image uploaded as *.JPG

Hello. What is current situation with stereographic image formats support - JPS and MPO files ? It seems a bit wrong to extract a single frame and upload it separately. Would be nice to have a native support with automatic generation of appropriate preview image and possibility to download original file. --[Tycho] (talk) 12:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I have not read of any plans to support them. You could start a request at -- (talk) 14:11, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
there are no plans currently that i am aware of,but.. sounds easier than most of the requested formats. What would be an appropriate preview? One of the frames, both frames side by side, red-cyan stero, consider it paged media with 2 pages (i lean towards last one)? One slight issue is that those formats arent supported by image magick. Bawolff (talk) 22:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I think that the most meaningful way would be single image preview (so those files can be used as a general purpose images in articles) and switchable between anaglyph, side-by-side, crosseyed, interlaced views on it's details page. Paged media sounds reasonable, but AFAIK one rarely needs to use them separately. For me it's important to have at least ANY way to store stereoscopic files in native format because creating stitched pair in plain JPEG, uploading a separate mono-version and being unable to download it in ready to use form seems way too counterproductive. --- [Tycho] talk 23:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Just as an aside, if you change the extension to .jpg, MediaWiki won't realize its a MPO, and just display one frame of the file (probably; haven't tested). Bawolff (talk) 20:43, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
So if this works, then .MPO files can be just allowed without much work on the engine ?
BTW, related: --- [Tycho] talk 04:20, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I tried to upload an MPO stereogram as ".JPG" and it worked (but for some reason I had to partially remove EXIF) --- [Tycho] talk 21:09, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

February 21Edit

Another weird bot editEdit

Arrgh. I usually don't check bot edits closely, because I assume they are part of someone's thought-through plan, but lately I'm beginning to wonder. Here's another. How can we have had a batch bot edit to place photos directly into Category:Houses by association in the United States, which is a meta-category that should only contain categories? - Jmabel ! talk 07:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Jmabel: I've moved this comment as this is unrelated to the other bot. @Steinsplitter: This is about SteinsplitterBot. Could you please comment? --AFBorchert (talk) 09:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
@Jmabel: (sorry for the late reply) - Requested by @Sven Manguard: at User:CommonsDelinker/commands (only admins can add requests). Best --Steinsplitter (talk) 17:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

"Female humans"Edit

There are no pictures directly in Category:Male humans. There are (at this moment) 556 photos directly in Category:Female humans. Recently, someone added the latter category to some of my photos, which is how I became aware of it.

I really dislike this. It seems like a reduction of women to their gender rather than seeing them as fully human. I particularly dislike this when it is done to photos I took, because it feels like reduction of the subjects of my photos to their gender.

I think that the correct solution to this is that neither Category:Male humans nor Category:Female humans should directly contain individual images. - Jmabel ! talk 16:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree with above. I warned this user, but he continue editing nevertheless, so I blocked him for 2 hours. And I removed this category with VFC. Regards, Yann (talk) 16:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Yann. Even though I'm an admin, I always hesitate to do something like this without having some sort of indication it's not just my solo view. I've suggested to him that if this is (as he now says on his talk page) part of a process of classifying more deeply that he use a hidden category as his temporary holder. - Jmabel ! talk 18:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Being 'bold' about this (since it seems obvious) I added {{Categorize}} to both, which might help in the future. Revent (talk) 18:33, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry about the mess - I agree that there is no need for a lot of pictures in this category. It was intended to be only a temporary stage. Jmabel suggested a great idea of Hidden categories under my username. If this is acceptable to you would be happy if you pass to Category:Temporary categories for User:Chenspec Cat-a-lot - Female humans all the pictures that were in Category:Female humans. What do you think? Chenspec (talk) 18:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
@Chenspec: Use {{user category}} instead of {{hiddencat}} for this, please. Other than that, don't know why anyone would complain about it as a temporary manrker. Revent (talk) 19:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
@Revent: Excellent - done. Now, how do I pass the pictures to the new category? Need to restore ... Chenspec (talk) 19:25, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, a user category is more appropriate, sorry I didn't think of that. And I'm not sure what you mean by "passing" pictures to a category. You can place them in a user category or hidden category exactly like any other category. - Jmabel ! talk 01:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@Jmabel: All the pictures were removed from the category "Female humans" and it took me a long time to collect them. Do I have to find them again manually So I can categorize them in "Category:Temporary categories for User:Chenspec Cat-a-lot - Female human", or there is a way to restore them more effectively? Chenspec (talk) 07:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
If you know who removed them, they are probably all more or less in a row in his/her contributions list. Failing that, your own contributions list would probably have them reasonably close together. And, yes, that categorization seems appropriate to me. Sorry you got blocked on this, I didn't mean to take it to that level but I guess that happened before we had time to discuss it calmly. - Jmabel ! talk 17:51, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@Jmabel: It's OK - The main thing is that everything worked out for the better. I will try to restore the pictures. Thanks for the help and guidance for the new category! Chenspec (talk) 20:30, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Just noting here for the record, just added (per a request on Yann's talk page) 583 images previously added by Chenspec to 'Female humans' to his user tracking category. More useful than would be apparent at first glance, nearly all are images of Wikipedians in various contexts with no categorization other than 'this is a Wikipedian'. Revent (talk) 22:28, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

February 22Edit

Crowdfunding campaign for a macro lens for JeeEdit

Hi all,
this is just a short note to let you know that a small group of Commons contributors have started a crowdfunding campaign at Indiegogo to fund a new macro lens for our very own @Jee.

The campaign was coordinated at User talk:Jkadavoor/campaign and will end on March 24, 2015. Please have a look at the campaign page to see if this is something that you're willing to support. Thanks, odder (talk) 14:08, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the announcement, odder. We in the campaign team were not sure if it was appripriate to announce a campaign run on a commercial website for a specific user here. -- Slaunger (talk) 20:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Cool! :) Rehman 14:30, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Nice campaign. It is better done than previous ones. Maybe too much figures, I would have emphasise the description of the volunteer and his work (with a quote or an example of a photo report). Some remarks for the next campaigns: i) for a commonist, we should see his work on the main page, ii) avoid specific terms commonly used on Wikimedia (FP, QI) or explain them, iii) don't forget to create an hashtag to make a viral campaign. Pyb (talk) 15:14, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@Pyb:: Thank you for your feedback.
  • You may be right about the balance between facts about Jee and the campaign and slides with pretty pics. In a previous version of the promotional video for the campaign, there were many more pretty pics, so at least that aspect has improved, and I think the balance depends on the target audience - which was actually a bit hard for us to establish. Should we target Wikimedians or a completely different audience? We tried to do a bit of both, but it appears, so far that the the vast majority of donations is from Wikimedians with a high concentration of active Commons users. Maybe, as the campaign progress, it will attract a wider audience. Anyway, it seems like we are not doing too bad as 93% of the pledged amount have been sponsored already here on the launch day and there is still a month to go Smile. (This should not keep people from donating though, as there is plenty of other useful gear, which could be of use for Jee (macro flash, bag, tripod, remote control, wildlife lens, spare battery, ...)). --Slaunger (talk) 20:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • i) I am not sure I understand what you mean about seeing his work on the main page? Do you mean the Main Page of Commons? Do you mean today? I am sure several of Jees pics have been picture of the day previously. I do not think it would be appropriate to try and coordinate a campaign done on a private web page for a single user with the Commons Main page.
  • ii) I am not sure I understand this thing about avoiding specific terms either. We do not mention the acronyms FP or QI anywhere. We mention featured pictures in the campain text explaining they are among the finest and linking to the actual Commons page. In the campaign video featured pictures is mentioned, but I do not think it necessarily needs further explanation at this stage. I think most people would understand that featured is something that somehow stands out as being especially good (which is sufficient).
  • iii) A hashtag is probably a good idea. I have no experience when it comes to hashtags and how that can aid the campaign. You mean something like #MacroLensForJee ?
Again, thanks for your comments. -- Slaunger (talk) 20:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if Pyb's comments refer to the Commons page where we planned the campaign, rather than the Indiegogo campaign itself? I can't really match the comments up with either the video or campaign page. I (and I suspect Slaunger) are too old for this hashtag stuff, but if anyone here is more social-media-aware and wants to help make this viral, please do so or offer suggestions on the User talk:Jkadavoor/campaign page. We set a modest target for the campaign but there's plenty very useful equipment that could be purchased if the goal is exceeded. -- Colin (talk) 21:21, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I refer to the previous campaigns which didn't succeed or didn't succeed very well (Poco a poco, Tony the Tiger and Ryan Hodnett). I've nothing to say about Jkadavoor campaign because I like it ;) Pyb (talk) 21:57, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
So, we do have clients, like a for-profit outfit, yet we fund expenses on goodwill, like a non-profit. Sweet. What could ever go wrong…? -- Tuválkin 19:16, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi Tuválkin, as I don't speak very well english, can you precise please, is it a question or is there an issue for Commons maybe? -- Christian Ferrer 21:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
People who send eMails to Wikimedia eMail addresses are called "customers" (English→Malayalam→English translation might have made this "clients") in OTRS, by the software. Regarding the lens, I think it's WMIN's job to fund its purchase (and lend it the WMUK Mac mini way).    FDMS  4    20:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
FDMS4 It would be nice if WMIN sponsored such projects, but from browsing their site it does not appear to me that they have any kind of grant program. They have a lot of information about how to donate to WMIN, not the other way around AFAICT. -- Slaunger (talk) 20:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
It would be nice if WMF + regional groups did more grant making for things like this. But it doesn't seem very high priority to fund individuals or they want to attach all sorts of strings (a loan rather than gift). -- Colin (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
In regards to grants, WM-AU has a camera equpment program. I got the large equipment support grant ($1000) which covered half the cost of my camera but I did reinvest the $1000 for a 50mm lens, more SD cards and a flash unit a few years ago. Bidgee (talk) 22:11, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@Slaunger: There is a Grants page, which redirects to a page called "Microgrants". However, no matter matter whether they would, I just think they should fund such projects.    FDMS  4    22:13, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
That grants page seems a bit dead, with nothing listed as "approved" for ages. There are differences between Australia and other developed nations, and India and other developing nations -- camera equipment costs about the same yet wages and labour and local costs are hugely different. This may influence whether it is more cost effective to locally-fund activities such as training or hiring rooms vs purchasing equipment. And anyway, the money comes from donations whether via WMF or our own efforts. But I would like WMF to consider funding such grants, which are cheap compared to the cost of organising a conference or paying US salaries. -- Colin (talk) 10:01, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Btw, in case anyone where Jee is, he's had to go away for a short while for family reasons, so doesn't have wiki access. I'm sure he's very touched, as I am, by the generosity and goodwill shown. -- Colin (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm very happy to report that the modest target of $750 has been met in one day. Clearly we underestimated the generosity of the Commons community. We were encouraged to set a low target since failure to meet the target incurs hefty penalty fees from Indiegogo. But there is more equipment that will be very useful for Jee, from the essential components of every serious photographer's kit (good camera bag, tripod) to the specialist equipment to take the best macro pictures in poor light (a macro flash). So further donations are very very welcome and will be wisely used. Of the 1000-odd photographs Jee has uploaded to Commons so far, more than half are illustrating Wikipedia articles, which is a strong measure of high quality educational photography. -- Colin (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

$1.635 now :). --Steinsplitter (talk) 12:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
2.000$ now :). Smile 718smiley.svg Awesome! Clin -- Slaunger (talk) 20:44, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks all for your helps and supports. I was away for a few days to to some unexpected personal matters. Back now and catching up. Jee 08:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

February 23Edit

Malformed cat name "Category:Pages with script errors"Edit

Could someone look at Category:Category:Pages with script errors? It's not defined, but it has entries in it. The problem is that the category name is malformed. I can't tell where it's coming from -- the category doesn't even appear on the image pages. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

See Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2015/02#Category:Category:Pages_with_script_errors -- Rillke(q?) 08:58, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Duh, my own previous question! --Auntof6 (talk) 09:06, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I totally meant to file a bug last time around. I did that now: Bawolff (talk) 14:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

آپ لود عکس برای فیلمEdit

سلام بچه ها من یه عکس آپ کردم بعد 30 دقیقه برداشته شد هرچی هم می خوام آپ کنم نمی زاره می گه قبلا بوده حذف کردیم یکی که می دونه چطور می تونه برام انجام بده مرسی . اینم لینکش لینک پوستر هم یه سرچ کوچیک بزنین پیدا می کنین هم واتس رپ گذاشته هم بیا تو رپ مرسی — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahan khomamipor (talk • contribs)

Can someone translate? Google translate seems to fail on that one. --Jarekt (talk) 20:50, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I tried bing, it seems to be about a picture (a movie?) of a rapper deleted 30 minutes after the upload. Maybe about this [1]? Found the movie putting in the title of the article of iran wikipedia, Mahan linked to. Traumrune (talk) 21:08, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

February 24Edit

File:AECS Kaiga Maingate.jpgEdit

File was uploaded in June 2012 as own work. It was the only file uploaded by user Akshay Revankar. It really does seem to me as if it was taken from some kind of official website. Same image is used on what appears to be the school's official YouTube channel. Moreover, same logo in the upper left of the image also appears in the upper left of many of the images listed in the photo gallery page of the school's official website. All of this leads me to suspect that the image in question is really protected by some kind of copyright and is non-free. I say suspect because I'm not 100% sure, so I am interested in hearing what others think. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

It's not 100% sure. However if it's published elsewhere, or if it may be the work of an organization and they don't give a license on an official site, then it should have COM:OTRS confirmation of the license, and it can be nominated for deletion. --ghouston (talk) 01:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

ImageUpload templateEdit

Whats the function of:
?--Kopiersperre (talk) 07:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

It was tracking purposes. Just remove the line when you encounter it. There was some explanation on Template talk:ImageUpload. -- Rillke(q?) 11:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Smithsonian copyright claimsEdit

I came across this image of a wartime radar system in Europe. This is clearly taken by Army personal, the only people who would have seen one in the field. Yet the Smithsonian claims copyright on it. Do we, as in the case of other examples, ignore their claim for these cases? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:30, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

  • I probably would, while noting the dubious claim of copyright. - Jmabel ! talk 17:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
From what I see, they don't seem to be explicitly claiming a copyright in this particular image (they credit it to the National Archives). The Smithsonian's Terms of Use make it clear the 'general' copyright claim on their website is to "the compilation of content that is posted on the SI Websites, which consists of text, images, audio, video, databases, design, codes and software" and that "the Smithsonian does not necessarily own each component of the compilation." They just seem to engage in the (highly questionable, but common) practice of telling users they must license anything obtained from their website regardless of if they actually own the copyright in the particular work. Revent (talk) 18:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
  • The institution is free to make whatever claims they wish, even if they are not legally enforceable. If they have added value in the metadata, such as writing descriptions or adding lots of structured detail, then they can make a valid claim of creative ownership for that metadata. Automatically created metadata, such as what the source was, details copied from elsewhere, or basic facts like a date or the original author/photographer, are not creative enough to make a claim for.
If anyone wished to scrape information and images from the, it would be a smart move to first write to the website contact and explain what the plan was, and give them a chance to object to it and explain if they have a legally valid claim that you may be unaware of. Putting aside this specific case, as I expect the Smithsonian to encourage open knowledge, if an institution were to issue take-down notices or legal challenges against a Commons uploader, having a previous good faith correspondence on record would be a great way of dismissing such actions. -- (talk) 19:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Anyway, the Smithsonian is part of the U.S. Federal Government, so it's questionable whether they can have copyright. {{PDUSGov}}. Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:26, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Adam, I believe the Smithsonian is actually something of a special case (though I'm not sure of the details and it wouldn't apply to this photo). As I understand it, a lot of their work is created by contractors who are not technically federal government employees, and so it can be copyrighted. - Jmabel ! talk 00:37, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
The US Government can not (in most cases) claim copyright in it's own works, but can own copyrights transferred to it by others (this is explicitly stated in 17 USC § 105). Not that this applies here, but to state that the US Government cannot own a copyright is mistaken. Revent (talk) 04:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
i do not see a copyright claim here. you are making a guess about who took the photo. having had conversations with smithsonian people: they have a legal department, and practice of trying to pay for digitzation with fees. they tend to put NC on PD images. however, they do not issue takedown notices for PD claims over their NC. the smithsonian institution is a hybrid with federal support and private money. they are a repository of government and private collections, i.e. you cannot know what the copyright of an item is, but with research of the metadata on a case by case basis. we can go to the National Archives, who is the repository of the Naval Photographic Center, and find this item, or related film [2] but it does not appear to be digitized there yet. see also [3] Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 01:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

The Smithsonian Institution is not the US Government. It publishes copyrighted materials on a regular basis, and actually pays photographers itself for its publications. Trying to say "you are the government so you do not own what bears your copyright notice" is unwise. [4] is clear. If they assert copyright, then you must abide by their terms of use. Collect (talk) 21:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@Collect: I do not think anyone is trying to say that copyright is not a 'real and valid concern', as you put it in your edit summary. It's simply that, with experience, Commons editors have learned that assertions of copyright from certain sources, including the Smithsonian, need to be evaluated critically (hence the discussion). This image, for example, is on the same website, with exactly as much of a 'copyright assertion' made. Are you going to claim that it's not usable on Commons because the Smithsonian asserts a copyright? Revent (talk) 22:17, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I am saying that folks who conflate the Smithsonian and the US Government are making an exceedingly grave error. The proper procedure is to contact the Smithsonian as they ask, and ask whether that particular image is covered under any copyright, not to assert "the Smithsonian can not assert copyright on anything" because that position will fail the second a lawyer sees it. Cheers. Collect (talk) 00:37, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Laurence Olivier Merle Oberon Wuthering Heights.jpgEdit

Can someone help me tag the other files I mentioned in that? I'm not sure of the proper way to do so. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:09, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

February 25Edit

New offer at Commons:Equipment exchangeEdit

FYI: If someone is interested in a M42 telezoom lens, I've got 2 on offer over at Commons:Equipment exchange. --El Grafo (talk) 14:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Everything else over there. El Grafo (talk) 14:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


Hi, any Bulgarian speakers out there? Just wondering if "File:Bg-black-hole.ogg" is correctly categorized. — SMUconlaw (talk) 15:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Certainly miscategorized. It is someone reading out an article on black holes, in Bulgarian. - Jmabel ! talk 01:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Pictogram voting keep.svg Fixed, by changing Category:Audio files about horses (!?) to Category:Spoken Wikipedia articles about astronomy. -- Tuválkin 03:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! I thought "Black Hole" might be the name of a famous Bulgarian racehorse or something ... — SMUconlaw (talk) 19:59, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

February 26Edit



My friend Rob Ketcherside recently remarked on Facebook, "I've noticed issues with thumbnails on some Wikimedia pages [when linked on Facebook]. I think it's a problem with their [that is, our] template. Opengraph thumbnail might not be set properly." I'm not sure we are even using Opengraph on our pages, though I think we should be. Does anyone know more about this? - Jmabel ! talk 06:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Only thing related coming to my mind is phab:T33338. --Malyacko (talk) 13:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I reported this back in october: Commons:Village pump/Archive/2014/10#Facebook using the smallest thumbnail from Commons for preview. -- Tuválkin 18:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

How to perform complex file searches in CommonsEdit

Hello, I am wondering if there is a way in Commons to carry out advanced search of files such as the following (I list them separately just in case one is feasible while another one is not):

1.-"Files with extension X (say .png)" & "Linked from Wikipedia Y (say, French) more than Z times"

2.-"Files with extension X (say .svg)" & "uploaded in the last Y days"

3.-"Files with extension X (say .svg)" & "uploaded in the last Y days" & "Uploaded by user Z"

4.-"Files with extension X (say .svg)" & "Belonging to category Y"

Are the above and similar complex searches feasible in Commons? If so, how?

Thank you!--Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 06:26, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

4 can be achieved to a large extend by simply searching for "svg incategory:Y" (link) this will also catch some extra stuff you don't want but in the results you can do "ctrl-f" and then search for ".svg" another way (for categories with up to 200 files) is to go to the category you want to search (link) and above the media files (below the header) you can select the filetype, however I've found this to only work for small categories as it only filters the 200 results on the current page. For point 3 you can simply use the user uploads page and search again with ctrl-f for .svg (only works for up to 500 files). There are likely other and better ways to achieve this (for example using API-queries), these are however some quick and easy ones to start with. Basvb (talk) 16:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestions. For the first one, I found the category has to be quoted if its name contains more than 1 word (svg incategory:"Historical SVG maps in Greek"). For the second, I am afraid I have not been able to see where to select the filetype yet... I have tried searching for it in a small category] but I did not find where to filter by filetype within it... Maybe I need to enable some configuration option to see it?--Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 20:43, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Ow I forgot you can also use catscan, that scales up better. I've looked it up and you indeed have to enable a configuration, namely the "GalleryFilterExtension". Mvg, Basvb (talk) 00:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

"Unique" licenseEdit

File:Delta_chelsea_corkscrew706pq.jpg is marked (apparently incorrectly) with multiple copies of {{Copyrighted free use provided that}}, as well as the "Shared Experience License." This appears to be the only image using this license on Commons. The text of the license is here. While it seems intended to be a copyleft license, it has some of the old issues with the GFDL license (such as the requirement to include a complete copy of the license with all copies, with no linking provision). As is, we seem to not actually be in compliance. Do we really want to allow this? Is it worth the effort needed to 'properly' use this for a single image? I'm dubious. Revent (talk) 11:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't we also keep migration=opt-out GFDL files?    FDMS  4    13:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
(nods) I wasn't specifically saying that it's GFDL-like-ness makes it incompatible, but for the GFDL we also have a locally hosted copy of the complete license text (so it's part of the 'collective work' of Commons itself). I just wonder about it being worth the effort to 'fix it' for the case of a single file (we would also really need a 'machine readable' template). Revent (talk) 13:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Its not a single file, though apparently a single source. If the license is compliant with Commons (which will need someone to read the legal text carefully), then the files should be kept and not deleted on basis of license alone. "Can't be bothered to create license template" is not a deletion reason.
The dual-licensed files need careful checking, to see if the dual licensing is actually valid. I am suspicious as they all say "copyright Steve Mann", but appear to be from multiple different users.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Nice finding those, I just searched for the name of the license instead of links to it (the one I noticed wasn't 'dual licensed' in that matter). You're completely right that it's not a deletion reason, per se, my 'dubiousness' was based mainly on that I've seen discussion in the past about other unusual licenses that seemed to lean that direction, and that it seems to me as if this license text might itself be a copyright violation of the GFDL (which prohibits modification). There are significantly long verbatim duplications. If that's the case, I don't think we can host the local copy of it we would really need to comply with it... a bit circular. Revent (talk) 14:17, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Revent asked me for my opinion on this. Here it is. The Shared Experience Licence isn't valid and can't be used on Commons. The terms of the licence require us to provide a copy of the licence text, which we're not doing and which we cannot do, this renders the licence invalid. The reason we cannot provide a copy of the licence text, in the way we used to do with the GFDL licence, is because the Shared Experience Licence licence text is itself a pretty blatant copyright violation, being a modified version of the GFDL licence. The GFDL licence text cannot be modified and isn't itself licenced under the GFDL licence (my word, circular referencing there). That may also render the licence invalid in and of itself, but that's probably something that needs Legal's opinions on. Whilst I'm thinking about it, our pages containing the text of the GFDL Licence are also potential copyright problems, since they claim to release the Text of the GFDL Licence under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 licence and that isn't the case - see the footer at Commons:GNU_Free_Documentation_License for details of the problem. Nick (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

February 27Edit