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May 10Edit

Attribution issues and Media ViewerEdit

So, as you may know, there's a bug in Media Viewer, that's existed for 8 years, where if a file has more than one Creator template, or a Creator template and a text attribution to another creator, it only returns the name of the first creator as the credit. So, for example, in a Brady-Handy photograph, only the first of them will be listed on Media Viewer. On a collaboration such as File:Humanité René Philastre and Charles-Antoine Cambon - Set design for the second part of Victor Hugo's Les Burgraves, première production.jpg, you can choose whether it credits Humanité René Philastre or Charles-Antoine Cambon, but not both.

Since it's been made very, very clear that it's not going to be fixed any time soon, I think we can fix it on our end relatively easily. All we need to do is to check the input, and if it either A. has text outside of a Creator and/or Wikidata template, or B. has more than one Creator/Wikidata template, we can add the following code:

{{Information field |name= |value=See file page for creator info. |class=fileinfotpl_credit |id=fileinfotpl_credit |style=display:none; |stylevalue=display:none; |classvalue= }}

Ideally with internationalised text. I suppose there should be an override for if people want to enter the credit manually, but... let's be honest, the percentage of people that would even know about the bug so that they knew they had to fix it manually is tiny.

It's better to do it on our side, so that in the unlikely event the bug is ever fixed, we can simply pull the code out. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

This is quite frustrating. When using {{Artwork}} at least is shows "PersonX and n other authors" (example). But if you can override the default and let it show "See file page for creator info", doesn't that mean you should also be able to force it to show whatever you want, including the correct author(s)? El Grafo (talk) 14:46, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
In theory, yes. Although it might require some clever a code to strip author info from whatever Creator templates are used Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:09, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
I think the easiest way might be to add something to the base Creator template to have it return the name of the creator. Might require a certain amount of bot work to modify existing Creator templates (probably just add a mode= switch to all of them, but I think it'd work. So the credit line would just add mode=nameonly to the Creator template using lua. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:32, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Adam Cuerden, I think all you are trying to do is for the Commons templates to be broadcasting hidden metadata that will inform Media Viewer about what attribution to display. I think that can be done by improving {{Information}} template. I always considered Media Viewer as kind of broken as it usually displays nonsense matadata. Then there was hope that the code can read Structured data and not rely on noisy wikitext. However If there is some published documentation on how to set the metadata so it shows correctly in Media Viewer we can try to set it correctly. --Jarekt (talk) 04:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@Jarekt: With the code I quote above, we can improve it by replacing "See file page for creator info." with a better credit line; the trick is going to be getting the better credit line. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
</nowiki> Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Adam Cuerden, {{Information}} or {{Artwork}} templates can access Wikidata items of Creator templates in the "author" field. I am just not sure if that is helpful. --Jarekt (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Let me do a code dive. It at least gives us a start. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
This appears to be Template:Label/Module:Wikidata label, though I'm not quite sure I see how the wikidata number is extracted. Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Okay. Going to do some diving. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

May 11Edit

freedom of panorama in the US: paintings on buildingsEdit

Hi, newbie here doing some research about FoP. I've understood that freedom of panorama in the US only applies to buildings, which do not include other 3D arts and 2D art. However according to Leicester v. Warner Bros., paintings on the exterior of buildings are integral parts of the buildings, thus included in the FoP. Is it safe to say that those paintings, murals and graffitis are with FoP so suitable for Commons (talking only about paintings right on the buildings, not about posters or separate paintings which are not parts of buildings)? Taking the mural in Quebec City for example, if this were located in the US and within time period of copyright protection, would this mural still be under FoP in the US because it's an integral part of the building? Thanks --Suiren2022 (talk) 01:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

May 16Edit

Media may be deleted - what to doEdit

Hi! Norwegian contributor with limited technical experience here. I have received a warning that a picture I uploaded may be deleted, due to unclear copyright status. I did my very best when uploading this picture, which I have taken myself. The bot warning me now, have written a nice "how to", but I'm afraid I still don't understand how to do it right. I would really like to do as suggested, but I don't understand where to insert the right tags.

"If you created this file yourself, then you must provide a valid copyright tag. For example, you can tag it with {{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all}} to release it under the multi-license GFDL plus Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike All-version license or you can tag it with {{PD-self}} to release it into the public domain. (See Commons:Copyright tags for the full list of license tags that you can use.)"

Anybody out there who could help me in the right direction, please? Would really appreciate it! Link to the warning here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EllenPaulsen

In the preview I can see my question is already answered by auto. But I really still don't understand where to put the text, and how I copy it correctly with links and all. I'm so sorry, this is new to me.

Thanks! --EllenPaulsen (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@EllenPaulsen: Hi, and welcome. In your upload, you specified "Permission= Free Art License 1.3 (FAL 1.3)" as plaintext. Above, you mentioned "{{self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all}}" and "{{PD-self}}" as active templates (without code or nowiki tags or quotes), and Andy was kind enough to defang them for you here using code and nowiki tags. The copyright tag which you seemed to like at first is {{FAL-1.3}}; you may use that copyright tag (without "t2|") as an active template in the licensing section or after "Pemission=".   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 13:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for this, Jeff G.. I have tried my very best, and hope I did it right this time. Could you please take a look, and see if it's good enough to remove the delete-warning? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DUGG_konsert_Gamla_16102021.jpg Thank you, and I really appreciate it! --EllenPaulsen (talk) 06:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
@EllenPaulsen Looks good now, I have removed the warnings and some other unnecessary stuff from File:DUGG konsert Gamla 16102021.jpg. Thanks! El Grafo (talk) 09:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, appreciate it! --EllenPaulsen (talk) 06:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Adding SDC metadata to vertical aerial imageryEdit

I have uploaded some aerial imagery, taken vertically, on Commons.

I want to "warp" it, so that mapping tools know the coordinates of its four corners.

I want to add multiple "depicts" statements, with coordinates, to note the various features seen.

I am sure we have tools to do these things, but I can't recall where. Am I mistaken? I have searched using obvious terms, and looked at pages like Commons:Georectification and Commons:SDC, to no avail,

Where are these tools, and why is it so hard to find them? What could we do better? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, is there a tool to convert (old-style) "notes" to SDC? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Apparently, the answer to the former, as detailed at Commons:Wikimaps, is to replace {{Information}} with {{Map}}, then use the big blue button that it generates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

The other - excellent - tool, for locating "depicts" (P180) and "named place on map" (P9664) using "relative position within image" (P2677) is User:Lucas Werkmeister/Wikidata Image Positions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:35, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

May 17Edit

SmartifyEdit

I don't want to complain too much; having the files brought over here is useful. But Smartify uploads tend to be scaled down a fair bit from the original. Take File:Anonymous_-_Deans_Yard_-_B1977.14.16416_-_Yale_Center_for_British_Art.jpg. Is it great Smartify uploaded it for us? Yes. Is it the full resolution? No. The upload from Smartify is 1920 pixels wide, if we go to the source that SmartifyBot linked, https://collections.britishart.yale.edu/catalog/tms:33245 , and just click on the download button, we can see one that's 5390 pixels wide is trivially available.

Especially for the Yale collections, it'd be really useful to have a bot to just go in and grab the largest JPEG available (not any TIFF, I'd say: File:William Byrne - Carnarvon Castle - B1977.14.14573 - Yale Center for British Art.jpg had a TIFF with much, much lower resolution than the biggest JPEG) Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Rename request, can only be done by an adminEdit

Hi, this request is open for a while. I doubted if I should decline it the first time, because it was all Dutch, but it was also 'uploaders request' (criterion 1). Now the requester self thinks like that, but I cannot rename it to the Dutch name now, and it's 15 days ago, see: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Invoice_Jan_Perquin.png Thanks in advance, - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 14:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Richardkiwi: We mere mortals have to wait for Commons:Deletion requests/File:Rekening Jan Perquin.png to be closed as delete by an Admin. Why is "(talk)" in your sig twice?   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 15:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Done. Please check. Also User:Richardkiwi, please add categories to File:Rekening Jan Perquin.png. - Jmabel ! talk 15:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
@Jmabel: Thanks!   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 16:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

May 18Edit

File:La-jacquerie-de-lalo-et-coquard-gallica-bnf.jpgEdit

I can't read the signature on this file. It's been on here a while, claiming it had an unknown artist despite the signature in the lower left; can't help but feel we can do better than that, even if it's a somewhat odd signature. Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:18, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

[1] has it as "M. Parys", which seems plausible. I couldn't find any additional info on that person. I can't help but wonder if it's a pseudonym ("Monsieur Paris"?). – BMacZero (🗩) 15:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
The text caption at the bottom of the image says "Dessin de M. Parys"/Drawing by Monsieur Parys. Looking online for "Dessin de M. Parys" shows that we have several images on Commons with the same credit line and signature. Also, Journal général de l'instruction publique et des cultes, Volume 33[2] suggests there was a M. Van Parys in 1864 who was a professor of drawing. This may be the same person or a relative. From Hill To Shore (talk) 16:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
@From Hill To Shore: Right! That gets it a bit better. I'll put it down as {{PD-old-assumed}}, then. That also led me to Creator:A. de Parys, which does, at least, document it further, and links it if we ever discover he lived to a hundred or something. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:25, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Suggested new gadgetEdit

I've suggested a new gadget over here, and any community commentary is welcome. ···日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoe 15:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Making ALT text part of CommonsEdit

User:DrMel brought this up at our latest Seattle meetup; User:Peaceray and I are helping to flesh it out.

Be My Eyes has a large network of blind and sighted people who can collaborate to create ALT texts for images. DrMel is pretty certain that this network of people would be interested in providing ALT text in a variety of languages for a large number of our images, especially those that are used in Wikipedia in the various languages. However, there would need to be a clear decision on how best to store of this content and solid support for the process of creating it (and presumably for using it in Wikipedia). We've thought some of this through, but I think it still needs to be kicked around a bit before making a proposal.

Just to be clear: ALT text is meant mainly for the blind and vision-impaired, and is distinct from the description in {{Information}} or from the SDC caption. Basically, good ALT text is intended as a substitute for being able to see the image. E.g. a short English-language ALT text for File:Kleine gedigten voor kinderen - KW 2220 G 15 - 012-012a.jpg might be "Two facing pages in an old book. On the left is a poem in Dutch; on the right is an etching. Both are entitled 'Het Medelijden' (in English, 'Compassion'). The etching shows a well-dressed roughly 8-year-old boy at left dabbing his eye with a handkerchief and, at center, a young woman with a mournful look, but not to the point of being completely distraught, sitting in a simple wooden chair. To the right of that, in the background and slightly less distinct, a man lies in a canopied bed, presumably a sickbed. There is a door open to outdoors at extreme left, and a few domestic items scattered about suggest modest domesticity, just above the level of poverty."

We think the best vehicle for storing this would be a new property corresponding to Wikidata item alt attribute (Q1067764); it could be used in SDC and also within Wikidata: for example, this could be useful on a Wikdata item referring to a work of art. (Wikidata may or may not want such a thing, since, like captions, it is not internally structured, nor is it entirely objective.) Each value for a statement using the property would require free text for the content, plus a qualifier indicating the language.

We would need tools that let someone look at the image while creating this content, possibly some system of marking these for a review process (that could be as simple as a template placing them in a subcat of Category:To be checked), and, if we want to make this really useful, a templating approach for Wikipedia (and other sister projects) analogous to en:Template:Cite Q that would allow such ALT text to be pulled in as needed, to form ALT text where the image is used.

@DrMel and Peaceray: Anything important I've left out? Anything I got wrong?

Anyone: thoughts? comments? - Jmabel ! talk 19:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I do not like the Cite Q template idea. The model I want is alt-text additions to a File: page are automatically inserted in the appropriate pages. That way, wiki pages that already use a file do not need to be edited; the alt text would just appear. MW already does something similar with multilingual SVG files. When an SVG file is translated to German, then the German wiki automatically displays the German version of the SVG file. There is no need to add |lang=de to each page on the German wiki that uses the file.
MW already generates alt= text or uses an option. (mw:Help:Images#Syntax) The file included above contains alt="Kleine gedigten voor kinderen - KW 2220 G 15 - 012-012a.jpg", alt text generated from the simple filename. MW would have to implement a more involved alt-text default.
Glrx (talk) 19:59, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
It would be wonderful if we could skip the templating part, but as I understand it getting alterations made to MW is a much higher bar. If you think we could get that to happen, though, it would be great. - Jmabel ! talk 21:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it must be part of MW for the project to be successful. It is relatively easy to get people to add translations using SVG Translate. If those people also had to edit the wiki pages, then I doubt many would do it. Automatic insertion also has the advantage of avoiding errors.
Yes, software updates to MW take forever, but alt text has a slight advantage: w:Americans with Disabilities Act. WMF does not sell anything, so it does not have to follow ADA, but it would be tough for Maryana Iskander to say ADA upgrades should not be done. Glrx (talk) 21:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
"does not have to follow ADA" Perhaps that's not a legal requirement, but making our content accessible is certainly a moral one. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I guess having a piece of StructuredData that is actually being used in the wild routinely would also be a bit of a boost for the whole StructuredData initiative ... El Grafo (talk) 15:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Much as I'm in favour of SDC, I don't want to promote it at the expense of damaging accessibility. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:24, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I meant that more as a motivation for WMF to get things done properly. --El Grafo (talk) 10:14, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Your example illustrates well the deficiency of providing "alt" text without regard to context (and note that a proposal for such a property has multiple objections on this basis): In many cases, the best value might be, or include, a transcription of the poem. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
@Pigsonthewing: Yes, I thought of that, but was trying to give a concise example. Since the content of a direct quotation is absolutely uncontroversial, there didn't seem much point in my transcribing that as part of a proposal. - Jmabel ! talk 13:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
  • I very much like this idea - alt text is too often neglected. However, alt text is often contextual; what matters in an image depends on the usage. For example, consider File:Mrs Vanderbilt ElectricLight.jpg. On en:Electric Light dress, the alt text should discuss the dress in some detail, while on en:Alice Claypoole Vanderbilt the alt text would not need to describe the dress. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Well, whatever we do it should be possible for a given usage to override any default ALT text from Commons, but for most images my guess is that the same well-written alt text would work for all uses. - Jmabel ! talk 22:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
       
      thumb with alternative alt text using the alt= parameter
      Alt text for a thumb can already specified manually using something like [[File:foo.jpg|thumb|description|alt=alt text]]. Just keep that functionality and let it override the default alt text specified at Commons and everything is good. Love the idea, btw. El Grafo (talk) 14:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I definitely support adding alt text to files through structured data. I think using a property would not be a good way as it is not so convenient with multiple languages. As the caption is the label parameter of wikidase we maybe could use the currently not used description parameter for the alt text. --GPSLeo (talk) 14:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I'd want to work with the Wikidata community on whether this should be a new property. I'm not sure if 'description' is a good choice, because one would think it should relate to the "description" in {{Information}}.
Pinging @Peaceray, DrMel please do weigh in either to say that this is the discussion you wanted or to raise any issues where I'm not bringing in your ideas. - 22:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Description would only be the field in the database and how to call it from the API. The GUI of course would say alt text. --GPSLeo (talk) 06:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
That's messy, though, isn't it? Better introduce a new field that is properly named. API users are humans too. --El Grafo (talk) 10:10, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I think that this is most worthwhile. As Jimmy Wales one said, Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge.[1] There is no question in my mind that extending Wiki[mp]edia capabilities to better serve our blind users would serve this purpose.
I think that having default alt= parameters for .svg files or via the MediaWiki software is a good thing, but we can make alt= more useful by extending it. It would be good to enter an alt text for each language, like a language specific label for a Wikidata item or the Captions in the File information section of the file.
There are probably a few ways this alt data could be used, but I think that creating an alternative to "Use this file on a Wiki" would be an appropriate place to start. Take File:Centre College, 1847 engraving.png for instance. Right now "Use this file on a Wiki" only generates:
  • [[File:Centre College, 1847 engraving.png|thumb|Centre College, 1847 engraving]]
It does the same for Deutsch, English, Español, et cetera, despite having captions in eight different languages.
Now imagine being able to use the different language captions, plus the alt text, for however many languages were entered. Perhaps we could come up with a way to generate something like the following.
  • For German:
    [[File:Centre College, 1847 engraving.png|thumb|alt=Ein Stich von Lewis Colilins aus dem Jahr 1847, der die Haupthalle des Center College und die Residenz des Präsidenten auf der rechten Seite zeigt, mit Bäumen um sie herum und einem Zaun im Vordergrund, der diagonal von der vorderen linken Ecke verläuft.|Gravur des Centre College, 1847]]
  • For English:
    [[File:Centre College, 1847 engraving.png|thumb|alt=An 1847 engraving by Lewis Colilins depecting the main hall of Centre College and the president's residence on the right, with trees about them and a fence in the foreground running diagonally from the front left corner.|Engraving of Centre College, 1847]]
  • For Spanish:
    [[File:Centre College, 1847 engraving.png|thumb|alt=Un grabado de 1847 de Lewis Colilins que muestra el salón principal del Center College y la residencia del presidente a la derecha, con árboles a su alrededor y una cerca en primer plano que corre en diagonal desde la esquina frontal izquierda.|Grabado de Centre College, 1847]]
Peaceray (talk) 05:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. Roblimo (28 July 2004). Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales Responds. Slashdot.
@Peaceray As far as I understand, the idea behind this is to go even further than that. General-purpose alt texts in differend languages would be specified for a file at Commons, and software magic in the background would automatically deliver them whenever the image is used (unless overridden because a more specific alt text is needed for the given context). ← that was me a couple of days ago, somehow my signature got lost. --El Grafo (talk) 14:01, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

May 19Edit

File movingEdit

Yesterday there was something wrong, but it's fixed now. What's not fixed, I have it for a week now, is that during renaming there comes a little screen thay says 'Deze pagina vraagt te bevestigen dat u deze wilt verlaten - gegevens die u hebt ingevoerd, worden mogelijk niet opgeslagen' (in English: 'This page asks to confirm that you want to leave - data you receive may not be saved.'. This normally happens when a page is not fully loaded yet, but this is during renaming. When I rename a couple of files at the same time, with only a short time-difference, sometimes a renaming doesn't work, and I can still find it on the 'request page'. This pc is 'old', but this weekend I was somewhere else, and I had the same problem. Does anybody know? I work with Firefox, the latest version. It also sometimes happens when I only rename one file.- Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 16:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Richardkiwi: I got something like that, too, but not related to renaming. I chalked it up to my scripts not having fully loaded, but now I wonder. I will try to screenshot next time.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 16:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
@Jeff G.: - Ok, we will see :-). I got on error also, but it was only a few minutes (like yesterday, the pink screen). I can make a screenshot too, but it's in dutch and I have to upload it to Commons (or something). - Richardkiwi (talk) (talk) 16:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Trap templatesEdit

It kind of annoys me that Template:CrownCopyright directs, not to, say, Template:PD-UKGov, but to a speedy delete page, despite Crown Copyright's expiry dates and changing definitions being literally the definition of the out-of-copyright clauses listed PD-UKGov. There's a bunch of trap templates out there; I think we should lose at least some of them, or turn them into a "Did you mean?" page - because not having a copyright tag will lead to deletion too, just with a warning on your talk page, and people actually looking at it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:12, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Of the redirects to Template:Nonderivative, I'd say the following are mistaken:

Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:21, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

May 20Edit

Edit

Hello, is there some users who can help me to make a Wikipedia Wordmark ( ) for Crimean Tatar and Uyghur?

Wikipedia → Vikipediya (  Approved: File:Wikipedia-wordmark-crh.svg

Wikipedia → ۋىكىپېدىيە (  Approved: File:Wikipedia-wordmark-ug.svg)

And also to updated the Uyghur Wikipedia logo:

 

Wikipedia → ۋىكىپېدىيە

The Free Encyclopaedia → ئوچۇق ئېنسىكلوپېدىيە TayfunEt. (talk) 04:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Help for identifying wild orchisEdit

Hi, I need help for identifying wild orchis

Thanks a lot! Yann (talk) 19:40, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit on a template being null, why?Edit

Two weeks ago I edited this template, but my edit doesn't yet come into force. Its English translation shows it still works under the old algorithm. Why is this? What should I do to make my edit active? --トトト (talk) 22:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

May 22Edit

Uploading a file provided by a friendEdit

If I have a file that a friend provided me directly, and he asked me to help him upload the file, what options should I choose while uploading? Since it is not downloaded from the internet or other sources.--Borueichen (talk) 15:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

@Borueichen: Hi, and welcome. You may upload it now as your own work, but then immediately tag it as {{subst:PP}} and have the photographer post permission on their website or social media, send it via VRT, or clarify how the sublicensing or copyright was transferred to you.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 15:41, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
And also immediately correct the "author" field of {{Information}}. - Jmabel ! talk 20:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
There seems to be a similar problem with File:Herb Robert Geranium robertianum Potawatomi State Park Wisconsin.jpg. According to the current version of the source, [3], someone else (presumably the "author's" mother) took the photo. Is this o.k. or is there something that should be done about this? --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 20:16, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
@Robert Flogaus-Faust I think it is ok and I doubt something should be done about it. Editor B (the Flickr uploader) claimed permission from his mom Ruth Everson in this edit. She could send permission via VRT.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 20:26, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
I am sorry; I somehow missed the answer and never read it before the thread got archived. Thanks a lot! --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
@Robert Flogaus-Faust It's not your fault he posted to the archive and didn't ping you.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 21:52, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

GSoC'22: Improving the custom picture selectorEdit

 
File picker showing differently pictures that have been uploaded to Commons already

The Commons Android application is the official Android application for Wikimedia Commons. The app allows authenticated users to upload pictures from their Android phone/tablet to Wikimedia Commons. The app has multiple features like uploading an image, editing categories of an image, nominating an image for deletion, nearby upload, a leaderboard based on the number and quality of uploads, an enhanced custom picture selector, and much more.

Custom Picture Selector: The app has a custom picture selector which has the ability to show the images differently which have already been uploaded while selecting images for upload. The feature indicates an already uploaded image with a Commons icon overlay, thus it's saving time and improving the user experience.

Issue: Some images are not meant to be uploaded to Commons, like family pictures, personal images, images with copyrights e.t.c. The contributors will try to avoid those images while uploading some images to the Commons app and might want to see only those images which can be uploaded to Commons.

Solution: This project solves the problem by letting users manually mark images as Not For Upload. The feature will indicate a not for uploaded image with a 🚫 overlay icon (and grey them out). There will be a button to show only uploadable images which means if the contributors turn on that button the already uploaded images and not for uploaded images will be hidden. Thus, it allows the contributor to more easily spot pictures they might want to upload.

Additional Features:

1. Bubble Scroll Bar: A bubble scrollbar will be added so that users can easily locate the picture they are scrolling for. The bubble will show the date on which the pictures were taken.

2. Enhanced full-screen mode: Fullscreen starts when the user long-press any picture in the custom image picker. For a good user experience, the full-screen mode will be enhanced such that the user can do all operations while staying in the full-screen mode. It will make the app more convenient for the user. A small overlay will be shown on the left corner of the full screen indicating whether the picture is selected or not, showing the number of selected pictures. Swipe Left/right to go from one picture to another. Swipe up to select the picture. Swipe down to immediately mark that picture as Not for upload.

Phabricator ticket: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T299748

--Ayan184 (talk) 17:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

@Ayan184: Thanks, but will my complaints at Commons talk:Mobile app#Deletion (and the others on that page) ever be addressed?   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 18:34, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Jeff, we just fixed one of them, it will be in the next release which is imminent. Thank you for the feedback always! Syced (talk) 01:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
@Syced: Thanks!   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 10:53, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

May 23Edit

I made Template:LGBT symbolEdit

Legal disclaimer
This image contains a symbol that represents sexual minorities, including gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender.

Use of these symbols may be punished according to applicable laws in Russia, Uganda, etc., and may be subject to the death penalty according to applicable laws in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, etc. In addition, using these symbols for the purpose of discriminating against sexual minorities may be subject to punishment under anti-discrimination laws in the United Kingdom and Sweden, etc.


This template was created by looking at the state of homosexuality laws that differ from country to country.

(Don't get me wrong. I'm not gay.)

How about this?

And can we translate it into different languages?

Correction of content due to errors is welcome.

Ox1997cow (talk) 07:56, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

First impression: Compared to, say, {{Nazi symbol}} or {{Terrorism symbol}}, this is quite vague with a lot of "etc." El Grafo (talk) 09:53, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
We recently decided not to implement a template for "Z symbol" wich is problematic to use in many democracies. We should not add a disclaimer for every symbol forbidden in some oppressive states. For the purpose we have the Commons:General disclaimer. --GPSLeo (talk) 11:01, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Service: discussion on "Z symbol" at Commons:Village pump/Archive/2022/03 § Create {{Z symbol}} or not?. --El Grafo (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
@GPSLeo: Then, which these template have a problem?
If you think some templates have a problem, you can nominate for deletion some templates. --Ox1997cow (talk) 11:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Is it an Robinia pseudoacacia?Edit

The leaves look the same, but it is such a big tree. Most of the Robinia pseudoacacia are much smaller. Are the fruits correct? In other images these fruits are much more gathered together and on specific fruit branches.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:38, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

This is definitely not Robinia pseudoacacia, R. pseudoacasia has much smaller pinnate round leaves (and they are less glossy). Based on the fruits I would say that this is some unidentified Fabaceae tree. — Draceane talkcontrib. 12:14, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
It looks like a Pterocarya fraxinifolia. Do you have more photos (close up, of the bark)? Wouter (talk) 12:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Move file to original nameEdit

I request that Special:permalink/657140008 be fulfilled to restore the original episode name given by VOA. Thx. Roy17 (talk) 22:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

  • Could an admin who knows Chinese please do this? I hesitate to make a move where I really don't know what is going on. - Jmabel ! talk 23:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

May 24Edit