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Matt CampbellEdit

Please jail this user.Edf55 (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Edf55: If you have a problem with a user's behavior, I suggest (1) bring it to the administrators' noticeboard rather than one specific admin, (2) provide diffs that show their inappropriate behavior, and (3) notify the user so they have a chance to state their side of the matter; if you are really uneasy doing the last, indicate that and ask that an admin notify them. And I'd also suggest that "jail" is a very unlikely outcome. - Jmabel ! talk 23:40, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorry. He declined that Larry Philpot destroyed my work.Edf55 (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Again: (1) This is not the administrators' noticeboard. (2) I still don't see a single diff. (3) Your only notification to Matt Campbell seems to have been "Stop. You destroy all!" which communicates almost nothing. - Jmabel ! talk 15:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Circa 1889 Seattle waterfrontEdit

The following images have to be post-Fire because the Rainier Hotel was started right after the fire, built rapidly and opened in November 1889.

Jmabel ! talk 20:54, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


I don't mean to be abrasive, but a lot of people find themselves here on accident, when they don't realize they're no longer on their native language project. It's generally a bit more COM:MELLOW to just brush it off as a newbie mistake, and kindly point them to their native language help desk using an inter-wiki link. After all, we wan't more contributors everywhere, because that usually means more contributors on multi-lingual projects too. If I can ever be of any help, please don't hesitate to contact me. Sorry if this comes off as too forward. GMGtalk 00:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

  • @GreenMeansGo: Not at all, but what are you referring to? - Jmabel ! talk 00:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @GreenMeansGo: Just in case that wasn't clear, "not at all" was with reference to you being possibly too abrasive or forward. But I don't know where you think I stompled a newbie. - Jmabel ! talk 03:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
  • It's no big deal, but it kindof felt like this could come off as a little overwhelming to a newbie. GMGtalk 10:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
    • @GreenMeansGo: Hmm. It could be, but there were 3 separate issues and I was afraid that if I mentioned only one of them (presumably wrong venue), this person would still have been stung by the other two. - Jmabel ! talk 15:28, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Septembrie 2019: A început Wiki Loves Monuments în România!Edit

Primiți acest mesaj deoarece ați participat anterior la concursul Wiki Loves Monuments România.

Am fi încântați dacă ați participa și în acest an la documentarea fotografică a patrimoniului nostru cultural construit. Pentru detalii și reguli de participare, puteți găsi mai multe informații pe pagina Wiki Loves Monuments România. Dacă aveți fotografii și din alte țări, puteți verifica aici țările participante.

Mulțumim și nu uitați, concursul se desfășoară până pe 30 septembrie! Mult succes!

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

  • (Dar eu sunt acum in Statile Unite.) - Jmabel ! talk 15:21, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 01:14, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletionEdit

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!


Yours sincerely, Themightyquill (talk) 11:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 15:24, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - blogs posted in Wikimedia SpaceEdit

There are two separate blog entries for Structured Data on Commons posted to Wikimedia Space that are of interest:

  • Working with Structured Data on Commons: A Status Report, by Lucas Werkmeister, discusses some ways that editors can work with structured data. Topics include tools that have been written or modified for structured data, in addition to future plans for tools and querying services.
  • Structured Data on Commons - A Blog Series, written by me, is a five-part posting that covers the basics of the software and features that were built to make structured data happen. The series is meant to be friendly to those who may have some knowledge of Commons, but may not know much about the structured data project.
I hope these are informative and useful, comments and questions are welcome. All the blogs offer a comment feature, and you can log in with your Wikimedia account using oAuth. I look forward to seeing some posts over there. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


Check out: Commons:Village_pump#Disambiguation. Thanks. Evrik (talk) 03:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC) Do you think anyone would would object to this User talk:Evrik/sandbox, here: hella? Evrik (talk) 22:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

  • @Evrik: Well, clearly you are not going to suddenly win over the people who object to disambiguation pages in the main (gallery) space, but it seems potentially useful to me. - Jmabel ! talk 22:32, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the input. Evrik (talk) 03:50, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2019_in_Morocco/Rules Salma.boug (talk) 12:05, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

  • @Salma.boug: I'm not sure why you sent me this link. I've never set foot in Morocco in my life. - Jmabel ! talk 16:03, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Look at the rule number 5,it’ The hashtag I’m talking about Salma.boug (talk) 20:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks Salma.boug (talk) 21:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Re: Chinese New YearEdit

Hi, I saw that you discussed the topic of "Chinese New Year" on User talk:そらみみ. We traditionally considered January 1 of the lunar calendar as the first day of a year, so it's not like Christmas Day in the western calendar.--Kai3952 (talk) 17:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 20:04, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

I forgot you speak some SpanishEdit

Mind taking a look at /w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles&dir=prev&offset=20191018194828&user=Sebasti%C3%A1n+Arena these uploads? Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but they look a lot like personal photos. The user is an xwiki contributor, but if there isn't any additional context there, that's a little excessive. GMGtalk 19:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

  • @GreenMeansGo: There is really no captioning on any of them, and for a lot the Spanish-language filenames just mean "scanned document such-and-such" (if that much), so my Spanish is largely irrelevant. They are certainly mostly poorly titled and under-described, at best. If you look at the parent categories of Category:Araujo family it strongly suggests he doesn't get the point of Commons. They're not notably technically good photos, but certainly some are of possible interest as things in Venezuela we don't have a lot of images for: a lot of semi-decent candid pictures of soldiers going about their day-to-day, people receiving diplomas, stuff like that. But then there are useless images like File:Documento escaneadoXXXVII (12250715326).jpg.
And then there's stuff like File:Ferry (16215002865).jpg, File:GEDC0316 (14871491107).jpg (really a nice photo), and the quite good batch in Category:Black and white photographs by Sebastián Arena. Doubtless a lot of these would be useful if they had been decently described.
So I don't know. It would be cool if someone (it won't be me, I have other fish to fry) would mentor him more on describing and categorizing photos, but certainly there is enough here that is decent that anyone who takes this on should be careful not to drive him away. I don't see where we are really hurt by letting the sleeping dog lie. It might be worth nominating some for deletion as unused personal photos or so low-quality as to be useless, but I'd start with a small batch if you go that way, and test the waters [yeah, yeah, mixed metaphor]. - Jmabel ! talk 21:21, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm not really sure I have the cultural competency to evaluate the images individually, or the language competency to mentor the user (or to not come off as BITEY in trying to explain things). Maybe we just bide our time then. GMGtalk 21:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: Repeating my bottom line: I personally would let sleeping dogs lie, but if someone wanted to discourage him from continuing to upload the least useful stuff he uploads, they should pick a handful of unused personal photos (snapshots of non-notable people) or images so low-quality as to be useless. - Jmabel ! talk 23:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for a short translation into RomanianEdit

Hi, would you be willing to translate the sentence "What's making you happy this week?" into Romanian? See meta:User:Pine/WMYHTW translations. Thank you, ↠Pine () 21:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Chinook JargonEdit

Hello sorry about that, I did find the Chinook Jargon book. Thanks so much for your work! Sincerely, Irene Bjerky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cataline01xx (talk • contribs) 03:19, 11 December 2019‎ (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

Thank you for renaming a file to Gangadhar Meher University maingate.

Rocky 734 (talk) 06:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Wow so cute Kiara Karen Katie (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


Just want to say happy new year, and thanks for all your help at the help desk, especially when I get busy and can't immediately reply to a response from a new user. GMGtalk 00:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

I couldn't upload this old historic video from 1919 because of the spam filterEdit

Hi! I uploaded this old 1919 video to a file sharing service, it is only 300Mbyte, and the spam filter did not allow me to upload it to the commons :( You can download the video from here: https://sendgb.com/ihJkawWP6FS Thank you for your help!

The video was shot by Film hiradó on 16 November 1919. English description: Admiral Miklós Horthy enters Budapest at the head of the National Army, 16 November 1919. Categories: Hungarian History, Miklós Horthy, Hungary in the 1910s--CumbererStone (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

It is a 100 years old video, which was created by 90y long defunct company. The copyright expires within 70years in Hungary. So it is a free stuff. Can you help me to upload it, because this spam filter look very dumb and stubborn. Thank you!

If you can upload the video to the commons, can you write/paste here its url? Thank you again!--CumbererStone (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

  • I have no idea why you are replying on my user talk page to something that is being discussed on the help desk. - Jmabel ! talk 20:22, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Manual reviewEdit

Hi, I'm quite new to Commons so apologies if I'm doing the wrong thing here. The picture I uploaded from Flickr was deleted because icon bottom-right of the picture indicated a non-free licence, even though the caption below indicated that it was CC-BY 3.0 licensed. I asked for it to be undeleted, and was told it would need manual review; the admin who deleted said I should ask another admin to do so. The file is at File:Joanna Cherry in Parliament.jpg. Can you help? (Sorry if I'm contacting the wrong person; I just picked an admin basically at random from the list.) YorkshireLad (talk) 22:21, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

  • I'll deal with it, if someone hasn't beaten me to it. Jmabel ! talk 23:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Your best shot 2019Edit

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

It's early 2020, which means it's time again to look back at photographs taken over the course of the past 12 months. As always, I'm curious – what would you consider your best shot of 2019 and why? I invite you to share your image and your thoughts in order to provide others with the opportunity to celebrate, learn, and enjoy:

Your best shot 2019

Thanks for all your effort in sharing your vision of the world with others under a free license!

All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 20:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

A subtle hintEdit

Re the user asking this, you might want to review this. Cheers! World's Lamest Critic (talk) 05:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

  • @World's Lamest Critic: I don't have checkuser privileges. If you think this looks like a sockpuppet you've seen elsewhere, you can report that, but I'm not sure I see anything special for me to do. The question itself seemed reasonable, and I believe I gave it a reasonable answer. - Jmabel ! talk 05:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Okey dokey. World's Lamest Critic (talk)


Did you delete anything (that wasn't in use) from https://www.flickr.com/photos/shelp/ ? It appears this photographer (probably after someone requested this) changed the license of their photos from PDM to CC0. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 18:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

  • @Alexis Jazz: Aha! So I probably had not misread when I first checked that.
  • While I cannot swear I've never deleted something uploaded by that Flickr user, I have not done so in the recent past. - Jmabel ! talk 21:28, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

File:Chart of military venereal disease cases in Seattle, 1943 (39267129940).jpgEdit


I moved the file from Category:Health statistics to Category:Epidemiology of sexually transmitted diseases and disorders.

"Epidemiology of sexually transmitted diseases and disorders" is more especific. Almost all files contained within "Epidemiology" are "Health statistics", displayed as diagrams (i.e. this file, "Chart of military venereal...") or maps. That is the reason I also categorized "Epidemiology" within "Health Statistics".

Good bye, --Jmarchn (talk) 17:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

@Jmarchn: I see, way up the hierarchy you put Category:Epidemiology inside Category:Health statistics. That's reasonable for the way it's being used; it was just so far up the hierarchy I didn't find that it was an ancestor category. - Jmabel ! talk 21:08, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Potential copyright violation on the CommonsEdit

Hi Jmabel. Recently I noticed that a user named MiftachulJ has been uploading various pictures of different artists, all of which actually seem to be copyrighted and it is highly unlikely that they have been taken by him. Could you please take a look at his contributions and delete the copyrighted content? Thank you. Keivan.fTalk 00:56, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

  • @Keivan.f: I believe you can make nominations at COM:DR exactly as easily as I can. Am I missing something? - Jmabel ! talk 03:23, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Oh, I didn't know that I could do that. I'll nominate them myself then. Thanks for the info. Keivan.fTalk 05:26, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Archiving with SpBot only in Help deskEdit

Hello, you confused me, as well.   I got your ping from Special:Diff/403053139/403053317, went to the talk page and, intending to add an answer, started researching. But when I opened the edit form your question has gone
So in short: ArchiverBot had almost a year ago some issues causing it to be stopped on several pages (see for 2019 messages in User talk:ArchiverBot). I knew that SpBot which anyway had been active before could take over the work in almost the same manner and so I did the necessary changes first in COM:VP and later in the Help desk. See more in Commons talk:Village pump#First section header, but especially Commons talk:Village pump#Removing daily headers. — Speravir – 05:06, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

  • @Speravir: sorry about that. I just started answering the newbie question, then assumed (incorrectly) I was on the help page, not the talk page, went on to the next item, said, "hmm, what's this about", etc. Then I got my bearings, but only after pinging you. - Jmabel ! talk 05:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Never mind, no problem. — Speravir – 05:43, 10 March 2020 (UTC)


Hi Jmabel, I got myself into a fankle I think.

I wanted to upload a bunch of fine art pictures from jfif files. Apparently (I now find out) all that was required was to change the extension from jfif to jpg, and then upload. Correct?

Just to make it worse, earlier than that, after reading the policy on it, I got the wrong end of the stick and converted the jfif files using GIMP to png files and then onto jpg, and uploaded both. So what now? Should I request their deletion and then re-upload afresh?

I also found out (ignoring for the moment the jfif mistake) that I should have translated them to tiff and then to jpg as opposed to png. Correct?

Anyway grateful for your thoughts... Broichmore (talk) 16:37, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

  1. I don't know what a JFIF is. This sounds more like a Graphics Lab question.
  2. I imagine the JPGs are more useful than the PNGs, but I don't see a reason to delete. PNGs certainly have their advantages in some contexts. Just connect in the "other versions" area of the template with {{Other}}.
  3. I don't see any real advantage of TIFF over PNG here. TIFF is really just a bag you put formats in. PNGs are lossless, which is presumably the one advantage of those or TIFFs over JPGs.
  4. I don't have time to look into this much further now. I think the item I bolded above is the only action step needed.
Jmabel ! talk 18:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Using rollback to edit another user's commentsEdit

Hi! Could you please provide an explanation for this edit? As you should know, it is considered poor practice to edit comments made by other users, and it is a violation of the rollback policy to use it for cases that are not clear-cut mistakes or vandalism. Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 13:58, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

  • @Bovlb: My mistake. I missed the "Already blocked on Wikidata" and only say the "<!-- Please fill the template fields and press publish. -->: which looked like accidental copy-paste from somewhere. In fact, even now I don't get that comment, what did it mean in this context if it wasn't an error? - Jmabel ! talk 15:17, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the explanation.
When I encounter a cross-wiki vandal, I usually include information about blocks on other projects as part of any vandalism report. (Blocks on other projects do not automatically cause a block here, of course, but the context is informative.) In this case, their Wikidata activity (and block) was sufficiently old that I did not notice it at first and hence had to add it afterwards. Cheers, Bovlb (talk) 15:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Again, sorry. But what is the "<!-- Please fill the template fields and press publish. -->? - Jmabel ! talk 15:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
That is inserted by the "create a report" button on Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism. Bovlb (talk) 16:34, 13 March 2020 (UTC)


Will learn this! Appreciate it! Arwin11 (talk) 16:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Category:Guillotine lock gatesEdit

Hi Jmabel, please have a look, thanks and regards.[2] -- Biberbaer (talk) 07:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

  • @Biberbaer: Seems fine to me. I made some minor edits. By the way, the canonical way to do a link to a category is Category:Guillotine lock gates (that is, [[:Category:Guillotine lock gates]]) so it shows up as something readable, not a number in square brackets. - Jmabel ! talk 15:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Hi Jmabel, thank you very much, I did not think of this type of linking. Another question, what is the correct term for de:Klapptor, another type of lock gates? Flat gates? Thanks and Greetings -- Biberbaer (talk) 16:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@Biberbaer: I don't know a proper term for it, and I'm not sure I can follow from the German exactly how it works. Pretty sure I've never seen one. Is is always attached at the bottom? If so, and if it is a single piece, I'd probably call it a "bottom-hinged lock gate". If it is hinged at the bottom but is not a single piece, probably a "bottom-hinged folding lock gate". Those are at least clear, and if someone knew a more proper term they could substitute it later.
Thanks for your work on sorting this stuff out. - Jmabel ! talk 19:27, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
THX, Yes, a single-wing lock gate with a horizontal axis of rotation attached to the lock chamber floor. It opens down to open the lock. I will continue to sort and maybe we can find a real name. There is a curfew here because of Corona and I have time. There is much to do. Sorry for my simple and foolish english. Greetings -- Biberbaer (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
@Biberbaer: Viel besser als mein Deutsch (ein Jahr in die Universität seit vierzig-und-etwas Jahre). Wier sind auch unter Virusregimen: Ich bin in Seattle. - Jmabel ! talk 20:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Guten Morgen nach Seattle. Ich lebe in der Nähe von Berlin in einer Kleinstadt de:Werder (Havel). Wir warten auf den Frühling, gestern hat es geschneit. Ich wünsche Dir Gesundheit und Danke für die Unterstützung. Grüße -- Biberbaer (talk) 07:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@Biberbaer: Zum Glück kein Schnee hier, jetzt haben wir Frühling. Wenn es ein normales Jahr gäbe, wäre ich jetzt für die Wikimedia Summit in Berlin. Und dann nach Bukarest. Aber es geht wie es geht. Zumindest arbeite ich von meine Hause, also arbeite jetzt fast normal. - Jmabel ! talk 15:33, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
The event will definitely be rescheduled. I am a pensioner and look forward to working in my garden. All the best -- Biberbaer (talk) 07:01, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Mr/Mrs Jmabel.... Are you American Tinqo nr (talk) 23:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

  • Nothing. It's just that I have been listening to a song called "Guillotine" by Jon Bellion. I have never seen one before and also ....Are you male or female. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinqo nr (talk • contribs) 00:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

So are you male or female.tinqo nr

Tinqo nr (talk) 20:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @Tinqo nr: None of your business, really, and please do not post to my talk page again. - Jmabel ! talk 23:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)


Hi Dear Jmabel, can you rename this file File:Pictogram wait positive.svg.png > File:Pictogram wait positive.png and delete File:Pictogram wait positive.svg. First i installed .png version than later try it with .svg but i think .png version is fine and transparent no need for .svg version. Also it's not vector just image with white background. -- Estin  Giç Giç? 18:01, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

  • @Estin Giç Giç: Please use {{Rename}} and {{Speedy}} instead of calling on some one individual to do this. - Jmabel ! talk 18:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
  • @Jmabel:, well i replied you after you gave this answer but i'm guessing it's never showed up. Deletion and rename process is done. But i gotta say, your attitude could be more supportive. I'am not a new user, before you've said it, i put these templates in files but i'm a bit stranger to commons since i've just uploaded several files and don't want to confuse admins with similar file names and my requests crossed. I thought yea this admin answer my questions, he is available i should notice him. Whatever, it's done already. Have a nice day!-- Estin  Giç Giç? 23:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Almost everyone here, myself included, is up to their eyeballs in stuff to do. We each have things we routinely focus on, and things we don't. When there is a process to tag files to get something done, that means a person who focuses on that will do it, more or less in the order the requests came in. It's a lot simpler than each user arbitrarily picking what admin needs to do a particular task. - Jmabel ! talk
      • Yes of course i know generally and i get it you have a low stuff to get in order probably more than any wikis, like i said my intention was not to push you on some task. I thought it would be better if an admin knows what is the real story here. After the process is done i got it templates are enough in situation like this. God speed you! -- Estin  Giç Giç? 10:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

With reference to your replyEdit


User: Maizbhandariya Maizbhandariya (talk) 23:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

  • @Maizbhandariya: That says "All rights reserved" so obviously it is not free-licensed. - Jmabel ! talk 00:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


I probably should have just pinged you here and let you fix this yourself, especially since I screwed up the fix in my first edit. Sorry. Storkk (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

File:2015 Fremont Solstice parade - Sasquatch 01 (19289530146).jpgEdit

File:2015 Fremont Solstice parade - Sasquatch 01 (19289530146).jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

DalefromCleveland (talk) 00:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


Hi, it seems there are no severe objections to my candidancy. Could you kindly please determine that. I really appreciate your time and help. kind regards--Déjà vu 02:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

  • @DejaVu: I don't normally go anywhere near that page; I presume someone handles it on a regular basis, and I'd rather leave it to them. It's only been 8 hours since the earliest possible time to close the discussion. If it goes another 24 hours & no one has dealt with it, please ping me then. - Jmabel ! talk 02:29, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
ok, I will. thank you so much. Déjà vu 02:34, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Commons Photographers User Group: Meeting on May 30, 2020Edit

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

I’d like to invite you to our group’s first Virtual Meeting on Saturday, May 30, 2020. The meeting will serve as an opportunity to get to know each other better, share learnings, and connect in times of the global COVID-19 pandemic.

Please take a look at the meeting page and add your name to the list of participants if you’re planning to attend.

Hope to see you in a week! All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


Hey, could you delete this file here, I uploaded to prove the source information in the talk page discussion on English Wikipeida. Have a nice day.Eliko007 (talk) 00:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

  • @Eliko007: Done, but in the future please use {{Speedy}} instead of calling on an individual admin. - Jmabel ! talk 00:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you.Eliko007 (talk) 00:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Revision deletionEdit

Dear Jmabel, I found this file which shows the grades of students at AUA. In the first version, the names of most students are still readable. Would it be possible to delete this version? Or should the entire file be deleted? -- B2Belgium (talk) 11:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

  • I had read on the page about "Revision deletion" that one should contact individual admins to avoid the Streisand effect. But I'm happy to to use the noticeboard in the future. Thanks for the quick deletion! -- B2Belgium (talk) 15:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
    • @B2Belgium: Huh. It's likely to happen a lot faster if not just one person has a chance to deal with it. Probably works out about the same (more eyes on the AN page, so more people's attention drawn: possible Streisand effect, but also probably fixed proportionately sooner). But AN page has much more certainty of someone getting there quickly. I'm a pretty active admin, but I can be away for a day or two (though probably not while I'm more-or-less sequestered against an epidemic). - Jmabel ! talk 15:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
      • I don't follow COM:AN as much as I follow en:WP:AN, so I don't know how we tend to handle it here, but at WP:AN there's a big notice saying not to report potential privacy issues there. The instructions say to go to Requests for oversight, which is analogous to COM:O. To me it makes sense, since it's more likely that the admin in question will see the notice before problematic other people do. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Washington categoriesEdit

Thank you for the help. I had no idea that the flag icon worked with (state), or I would have asked that the bot operator use the code you used. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

  • @Nyttend: It didn't until some time last week, when I created a redirect so it would work. - Jmabel ! talk 01:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
    • I've always been uncomfortable with file redirects. For some reason, it seems to me that they often don't work — for example, why else would there be a "Try to replace usage immediately using your user account" option when you've moving a file — but at other times they do. I'll just accept the fact that this works, and be glad :-) Thank you. Nyttend (talk) 23:12, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
    • @Nyttend: Double redirects fail, so if you don't promptly update usage and eventually it is moved again, things fail. - Jmabel ! talk 00:13, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
      • Understood, but sometimes it seems like if I move a file and don't update the redirect on a page where the file appears, that page displays neither the file nor the redlinked file name, but a little box. Nyttend (talk) 00:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
        • @Nyttend: I'd guess a caching issue, and that with time it would sort itself out, but it's hard to know without seeing it. - Jmabel ! talk 00:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletionEdit

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!


And also:

Yours sincerely, Martin Sg. (talk) 21:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Teamwork Barnstar
Thank you for answering a question. Great Wiki photo contributions. Kate Branch Kate Branch Photography (talk) 02:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Please help me be rationalEdit


A.Savin continues to follow me around and "adjust" my edits. He just deleted a whole category I made, a heritage ID. because it was a "roof" (which the ID called it), a duplicate of "ceiling". I know I am over reacting to him, but I have no peace now. What can I tell myself to feel OK? I am being stalked and it feels creepy and awful. (If I could just get out of my house and forget about the Commons!) Kalbbes (talk) 23:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Not that it matters anymore, but how should I have named the section? I can't even do that right, Kalbbes (talk) 00:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I think the prior existing category was correctly named; the question is whether the heritage designation of the "roof" includes the interior of that roof, the ceiling, which pretty much requires finding and reading the document that designated it as a heritage site. - Jmabel ! talk 00:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
There is not a document for heritage sites in Pakistan. It's not like the NRHP in the U.S.where there is a document. (Someone at WMF organizes the participation for Pakistan, I guess.) The Commons is not good for my mental health anymore. I haven't experienced being a target before, even with 400,000 edits, and I can't take it. Thank you for responding. I very much appreciate your kindness. Kalbbes (talk) 00:45, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
@Kalbbes: Some piece of legislation or some order of some department must have designated it a heritage site. That document may not be readily available, but it pretty much has to exist. - Jmabel ! talk 00:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
No, another admin just now changed the description, no document or anything; I think an admin can easily change the file name but why should they bother? They can do what they want. What's the point for me to try to be conscientious? There is none. I thought there was, but it's clear now. Thanks and best wishes. Kalbbes (talk) 02:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

(clearly an unrelated section)Edit

@Jmabel: Janvermont here answering you question on my notification list today. Not sure I'm doing the right thing because I did not find the topic in your list on talk page. I reported to Jeff G. this morning that I spoke to the sculptor Tony Rosenthal who had had a studio in Centrak Park New York City when of course he was still alive and he said any photographs were automatically ok. That conversation is not documentation. So I always clear things with my lawyers which I did way back and they said its sidewalk position,

Janvermont (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2020 attribute of sidewalk sculpture, was enough to establish photographic use. Janvermont (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jmabel: with respect to the educational function of the image File:presenting norman mailer.tif, It is scheduled for a hanging version of images 40"x20" for three months beginning September 2020 in the Tufts University Art Center.. It was selected by the Art Center director, because when she saw a hanging version viewing it required not to just pass by a sequence of images but needed to spend the time to learn from the significant facts and feelings in it, as well as the personalities of the three people involved. There is profit from the additional research i did to give insight into Sinclair Lewis' personality. I have given an interview involving it and scheduled to do a video in August. Next March another hanging show will be at the Hart Memorial Library in Westchester County, New York. The same reasons, a different kind of walk-by than usual. I'16:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Janvermont (talk)m willing to send you a picture book of the images if you want.Janvermont (talk) 16:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Photographer's real nameEdit

Hi. We were discussing at the Help Desk how I could remove the photographer's real name from the File history of three images, ie: File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0031.jpg -- File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0030.jpg -- File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0029.jpg. I have now uploaded new versions of these files to Category:Carthona, minus the real name, so can we please delete the earlier uploads with the photographer's name in them? Thank you, Sardaka (talk) 10:33, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Convenience links: File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0031.jpg, File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0030.jpg, File:Carthona, Darling Point, New South Wales - East0029.jpg, Category:Carthona. - Jmabel ! talk 14:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
@Sardaka: Done. - Jmabel ! talk 14:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Sardaka (talk) 07:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Category:Roslyn cemetery complexEdit

I really like these photos. It makes a difference to my day. Thank you Joe. 2A04:4A43:4C7F:A7DC:A458:D936:1FAD:D4C2 00:12, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

  • You're very welcome. My girlfriend & I were in Roslyn, took one look at the people milling about downtown, said something to the effect of "In the middle of a pandemic? What else is there to do around here where there won't be so many people?" and headed out to wander the cemeteries. - Jmabel ! talk 00:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Its been 72 hoursEdit

Hi there, the other day you said the other day that you will in 72 hours close the deletion nomination on my photos, it has since been 72 hours.

Dynamite16 (talk) 16:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

  • It would sure help if when you link a message like this you would link what you are talking about, but I'll go try to find it. - Jmabel ! talk 16:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Found, dealt with. - Jmabel ! talk 16:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Incidental thingsEdit

Sorry to bother you. Does adding nor creating categories (Category:Photographs of flags of Hungary in Miskolc to pictures that incidentally contained objects (e.g. File:House of arts 1.jpg) count as vandalism? SpinnerLaserz (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @SpinnerLaserz: Without looking into the history of this (I'm at work right now): doing it once wouldn't be an issue; doing it repeatedly if you've been told not to and haven't somehow come to an agreement would be bad behavior. I'm not going to get into whether "vandalism" is the right term or not, but someone could be blocked for doing that. - Jmabel ! talk 17:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Mima MoundsEdit


When I first began categorizing on the Commons, I made mistakes in Washington State. Please check to make sure this category is ok, or may need corrections/additions etc. Thanks so much, Kalbbes (talk) 20:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC) @Kalbbes: Looks reasonable to me, but it's not a topic I know a lot about. - Jmabel ! talk 20:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Kalbbes (talk) 01:11, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:National Park Service rusticEdit

Hello. I've just done even more work on this category, first of all by creating Category:National Park Service rustic by national park and its subcategories. I have also had to withdraw a few categories from there. It appears that some buildings were added to the category tree with no external source backing the claim that they use NPS rustic. Many such claims on the English Wikipedia are sourced with documents that do not say what they are said to say. But now, after my recent work, everything that is in the Commons category has a valid source under architectural style (P149) on Wikidata. We need to be careful when adding new entries in the category from now on. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

It is possible that many buildings are still missing but those that are in the category are for sure using the said style. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:53, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
@Thierry Caro: Most categorizations on Commons are unreferenced. Sticking with buildings here and giving just a few examples of the issue:
  1. For buildings photographed by our own contributors:
    1. We never have references that the building is what they say it is.
    2. We never have independent references for when the photo was taken; at best we have EXIF or such.
  2. For buildings in general:
    1. We almost never have references for a building being in a particular neighborhood and in many cities, neighborhood boundaries are entirely subjective. For example, I can think of a part of Seattle along Madison Street where I would put anything photographed there in three neighborhood categories because different people would classify that neighborhood differently.
    2. Because Commons does not require explicit citation, we rarely have an explicit reference for a category about when a building was built, even as to decade.
    3. Simlarly, on any but famous buildings, we rarely have an explicit reference for architectural style. In the particular case we are looking at, National Park Service rustic is generally not hard to spot. If you can look at the photo and see that it is obviously National Park Service rustic, you shouldn't be removing a category that says so.
Commons standards do not require a citation for each categorization or even every assertion in the description.
Jmabel ! talk 16:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
OK. You are right. But what I wanted to say, mostly, is that not all wooden buildings that look old and are in parks are 'NPS rustic'. They need to have been built during a certain timeframe - mid-1920s to mid-1940s seem to be the rule - and with NPS architects involved. Otherwise they are simply 'rustic'. What I say is we should pay attention to that. I had to use sources to check everything that we had already categorized. Now everything is cleaner. Thierry Caro (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello there. It is me again. First of all, do not worry, please! I understand that your interest in NPS rustic was certainly in part circumstancial, due to the edits that triggered this conversation. But then I suppose you'll still like to learn that further progress is being made on this style. More and more Wikidata items have sourced statements related to its use, which allows us to create an already quite thorough map of the main structures and places in National Park Service rustic. You can see it at https://w.wiki/Z2Y. I hope you'll enjoy this as much as I do — while keeping in mind that there are still many additions to be made. Thierry Caro (talk) 23:51, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

please helpEdit

@Jmabel: I'm very upset and I am asking for your help. I sent you a complete description of how my Wikipedia page came to be and it hasn't been touched since then. I hope you agree to that and you will help me with the current attempt to delete my Wikipedia page. I saw, but I can't find it that you said that it had been in use for five and a half years without disruption and you thought it should probably be left as is. I hoped you would be willing to persuade Jeff G. of this. I am afraid to communicate with Jeff G. Please help me. I don't where else to put this.Janvermont (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @Janvermont: Sorry. I certainly agree that you deserve an article on the English-language Wikipedia, but it does look to me like you or someone close to you chose to violate en:WP:COI by writing about you and not revealing their connection. I can't defend that. - Jmabel ! talk 02:53, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Carson MansionEdit

Very nice picture of the Carson Mansion [3] Jim Evans (talk) 01:48, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @Jim Evans: Thanks! I was actually just passing through on my way from Seattle to San Francisco, and spent a couple of hours wandering around town shooting photos. - Jmabel ! talk 02:19, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


Hi again. Per your request in the discussion at COM:ANU#User:Verdy p and User:Jmabel, I am hereby notifying you of the result: AFBorchert blocked Verdy p for a month.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 09:20, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @Jeff G.: Thanks, yes, AFBorchert already emailed me. - Jmabel ! talk 14:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
    You're welcome, and welcome back!   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 18:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Concerning this matter, I’d like to express my relief over the outcome. You said that it seemed that I meant that Verdy_p being a valuable contributor is a reason to «suck it up» — that was not my intention: I did that concerning {{RomanCat}}, and exceptionally so (I am usually much more grouchy than that). In this conflict with you Verdy_p was not only unpleasant and disruptive but also wrong — in substance and in method. I deplore the fact that the apport of other admins on the matter was scarce and tardy — that was not caused by Verdy_p being some sort of darling to any admin clique, I am sure (and as the outcome suggests), but I fear that your promise of stepping down as admin should the matter be left unattended by uninvolved admins might have been felt as a good thing by anyone who’d like Commons better if you were not an admin. Indeed I am not a fan of a sizeable portion of our admin team, sadly, and I am glad that you are and will be there to counter trends I find objectionable. -- Tuválkin 14:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
    @Tuvalkin: Thanks. Quite a lot, actually.
    Note that I staked my adminship only on the two matters where I was 100% certain I was right. On the others I said I stood ready to see evidence that there was a misunderstanding. But on the two things where I was described as doing things I simply did not do? Hell, I would have gladly bet $10,000 against $50, and considered it an easy pickup of fifty bucks.
    I was really hoping to just report this once and have some other admin deal with it. Once that didn't happen, I was in a pretty uncomfortable position. And it wasn't so much your words that left me feeling I was being told to "suck it up," it was that the reaction by other admins that Verdy p's then-ongoing effort at bullying me amounted to hand-wringing, at best. You were the one person who at least gave a concrete indication that this was not some sort of isolated incident where it was equally likely that either party was at fault, which as a non-admin was really all you could do. - Jmabel ! talk 15:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Organization accounts on CommonsEdit

I saw you tell a user on the Help Desk that "all accounts have to be individuals". While this is true on English Wikipedia, this isn't the case on Commons; see Commons:Username policy#Well-known_names_and_names_of_organizations (this is not well-advertised; I only found this out when I was on the verge of flagging a copyvio before I noticed the username). I'm raising this here rather than in the help desk thread because the user doesn't seem strongly committed to having an organization account, and getting OTRS involved will probably just complicate things; I'll leave it up to you whether you want to communicate this back to the user. Vahurzpu (talk) 00:51, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @Vahurzpu: I actually knew this, but thought the chance of them not using the account somewhere it would get them in trouble was near nil, and it still would have meant they either needed to deal with it on the group's own site or go through OTRS. I decided to keep it simple. - Jmabel ! talk 03:58, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
    • Makes sense. Thanks for all the work you do at the help desk! Vahurzpu (talk) 04:00, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Re: Commons:Categories for discussion/2020/07/Category:Regions of SpainEdit

Hola Jmabel. Thank you for your message. I totally agree with you. Este usuario ha creado un lío tremendo. I wasn't aware of that category but I have just seen that there are a number of subcategories that make no sense at all. This user simply doesn't know anything about Spain. I will try to put it back as it was when I can. Best regards, tyk (talk) 07:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @Tyk: Thank you so much. I'm sure you can see why at this point I am not the person to do it. - Jmabel ! talk 14:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Re: " Renaming request for File:Map-Hispanophone World.png to File:Map-Hispanophone World 2000.png " in the Commons:Administrators' noticeboardEdit


Yes. The data is from the 2000 census, which is also shown in File:Map-Hispanophone World.png. Here is the official source with the specific data on page 7: https://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/censusatlas/pdf/8_Language.pdf

Yours sincerely, Maphobbyist (talk) 10:58, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @Maphobbyist: Not sure why you split this away from the rest of the discussion, but I will follow up by moving it. - Jmabel ! talk 14:42, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Ah: I see. Getting my attention because this was on a page I don't always look at. Thanks. - Jmabel ! talk 14:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Maphobbyist (talk) 19:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Category rename requestEdit

Hi, Jmabel. I see you recently asked the bot to rename Category:Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition (1909) - Philippine Building to Category:Alaska-Yukon-Pacific Exposition Philippine Building. The problem with this is that the latter category already exists, and is a redirect to the former, so the bot's edit created a redirect loop. Since you are an admin, and I am not, you can resolve this situation by deleting the existing redirect at the target category (and, if you think it necessary, merging the page histories). --R'n'B (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

  • @R'n'B: Thanks! That's so weird. Briarfallen had redirected a category name that paralleled 30 or so others to one with the year in the title that doesn't. - Jmabel ! talk 14:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Copyright violation speedy deletionEdit

Thanks for speedy deleting a copyvio I accidentally nominated for deletion instead of speedy deletion, File:Nic_Latifi.jpg is the same file, can this be speedy deleted as well? FozzieHey (talk) 10:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  • @FozzieHey: Deleted. You are not the uploader of that, and it looks like User:Jeff G. nominated it for speedy deletion only 40 minutes ago, so normally I'd be inclined to give the uploader a little more time to respond, but since this apparent copyvio is their sole contribution to Commons I don't see any point to that. - Jmabel ! talk 16:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh yeah I'm just saying that there was the exact same image which was deleted available, I didn't know you could nominate a file for speedy after you've nominated it for regular deletion, thanks for your help! FozzieHey (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

"How is that not a violation of Maslow's heirs' copyright?"Edit

Hey, you posted this.

My file is based on the previous used file: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maslow%27s_Hierarchy_of_Needs.jpg

Which was an image, not an svg file and had a typo in it.

The previous file was based on Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license, so is mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Androidmarsexpress (talk • contribs) 07:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Androidmarsexpress (talk) 07:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Androidmarsexpress: I tagged both files as copyright violations.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 08:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Commons Photographers User Group: Meeting on September 26 and other stuffEdit

Dear member of the Commons Photographers User Group,

I've got a quick update for you, containing three items:

  • I’d like to invite you to our group’s second Virtual Meeting on Saturday, September 26, 2020. As last time, this meeting will serve as an opportunity to get to know each other better, share learnings, and connect in times of the global COVID-19 pandemic. If you'd like to present, please add your name and the proposed topic to the list on the talk page.
  • Also, I'd like to start a conversation about how we should be sharing responsibility for the user group going forward. I'd love to get some help when it comes to organizing things and I'm convinced that we can achieve more if a couple of people helped with coordinating stuff.
  • Finally, the Wikimedia Foundation has asked me to spread the word about their latest survey: Universal Code of Conduct Survey. The goal is to create a safer environment on Wikimedia projects and the Foundation gathers feedback prior to coming up with a first draft.

Hope to see you at the Zoom meeting in September!

All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 18:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

African American history by stateEdit


Per your example, I redirected all the African American history by state categories to African American history. The "by state" categories were a failed idea on my part, as these categories has only one to a few images in them each except for Massachusetts where almost all were in Boston. Categorizing images by other characteristics, as is done there e.g."era", "century", "decade" "sites connected to" and others seem to be a much more successful way to categorize these images. Hope what I did is OK with you. Best, Krok6kola (talk) 12:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: I have mixed feelings about that: I don't like tiny categories, but that could be a loss of information. Did you first make sure that this wasn't the only indication of what state each such photo was in?
The reason I made the change I did (redirecting Category:African American history in the United States to Category:African American history is that the two categories were each a parent of the other, and there was absolutely no difference between their scope, so there was literally no reason to have two categories. - Jmabel ! talk 14:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Well, the categories I redirected had very few files. I was the only one making and putting anything in those categories and I wasn't up to continuing. There is apparently not much interest in categorizing African American history by state. But categories by topics e.g.Category:Sites in the United States connected to African American history, Category:Plantations in the United States by state, Category:African American Native Americans, Category:African American organizations, Category:Racial segregation in the United States, Category:African American music, Category:Racial segregation in the United States thrive. I can reconstruct the ones I redirected if you would like. Krok6kola (talk) 15:59, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
I am discovering many topics related to African American history are under other topics, such as Category:History of civil rights in the United States. I don't know how to deal with all this. It seems to require someone rationally thinking out categories for African Americans/Blacks and imposing order. Many will have to be in more that one category. I am burned out on all this as I have put much work into it. But many categories I have created are hard to find as they have been put in subcategories, e.g. Category:African American churches in the United States is now under Category:Sites in the United States connected to African American history What to do? (I will stop bothering you now). Sorry, Krok6kola (talk) 16:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

African American barbershopsEdit

Hello again,

Where I live now, Black barbershops are very much a huge and visible business, as are shops that braid hair and other specialty shops for Blacks. Maybe if this virus thing ever stops, I'll try to take some picture though I don't have a camera. Best, Krok6kola (talk)

  • @Krok6kola: Definitely something for which we could use more images. And a category. And probably a Wikipedia article on the broad topic of the cultural aspects of African American hair, but as a white person I would hesitate to write it. - Jmabel ! talk 14:56, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
It is such a vast and complicated subject that it would take some kind of expert in the broad field of African American history, culture etc. From my experience, US states vary enormously in the visibility and acceptance of Black culture today. I can't even imagine a person who could write such an article reflecting past and present reality (with reliable sources etc.). Taunting! Krok6kola (talk) 15:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


Thanks for finding the UW dating of the photo 0-a-curtis-pan-to-2nd-hill-fm-seneca-broadway-web11.jpg. I had written 1890s because the website where I found it (indicated in the image information) had said mid-1890s but I also doubted that was true because it was inconsistent with other photos showing an empty hill in the mid-1890s. 1905 makes much more sense. I have corrected the image data. Itsonlybiological (talk) 06:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Sleuthing two photos of a Seattle houseEdit

These files are both described by the University of Washington Libraries Special Collections as "Reginald Thomson's home at 1636 34th Ave., Seattle, probably 1900" but to put it mildly, I have my doubts. That is definitely an address at which Thomson lived. I have free online access to only a few of Polk's City Directories for Seattle; the 1939 directory confirms this as his address then, but the 1901 directory shows Thomson living at 701 Yesler Way (more or less downtown, Profanity Hill at the time, right where Interstate 5 now goes through). Oddly, the 1913 directory does not list Thomson at all: very odd, given that he was City Engineer at the time (see en:Reginald H. Thomson). If there are other Polk's Directories for Seattle free online, I don't know where to find them; I'd be glad to know.

Notice that the two pictures are both from roughly the same point of view, but in between 2310 (clearly the earlier one) and 2309 a street has been built and there's been a bit of regrading (R.H.'s specialty!). Maybe these are less than a year apart, but if so a street went in that year and it doesn't even look like a brand new street to me in 2309.

But also… Sure, there could easily be a different house now at 1636 34th Avenue than there was then, but Zillow lists the (quite different) house there now as built in 1913, so if the address is right and Thomson was living there in both around 1900 (because the 1901 Polk's doesn't rule out him moving there shortly thereafter) and in 1939, he had a rather new house torn down and built a replacement about the same size but in a different style on the property, which seems unlikely. Plus: the street in the 2309 picture is curved, and 1636 34th Ave. is in a part of Madrona with a rectangular street grid; I guess that could have changed, but it doesn't seem likely. It seems more likely that the Dutch Colonial shown here may have been where R.H. Thomson was living shortly after 1900, but it isn't 1636 34th Avenue, and someone who knew Thomson's later address applied it without a solid basis to these photos. Or this house could have nothing to do with Thomson at all.

For what it's worth, it does look a view looking SSW from somewhere three to ten blocks west of Lake Washington. - Jmabel ! talk 05:23, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Lost accountEdit

Hi. Perhaps you can help me. I seem to have lost one of my accounts. I had two accounts, one under this username and another under my real name for releasing content under my real name. But it seems that account under my real name doesn’t exist anymore. I still have the email from Wikimedia commons confirming the account, so I know that I am spelling the username correctly. It has been a while since I used my real name account. If the account was deleted would I have gotten an email? Constant314 (talk) 21:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

  • @Constant314: As far as I know, it's not possible for an account to be deleted. Even if it had for some reason been blocked, there would still be explicit record of a blocked account.
  • If you trust me to contact me confidentially with the account name, you can use email to let me know what account you are talking about and I can look into it. If you don't trust me on that level, the OTRS team are the people who have the community's imprimatur to handle confidential correspondence, and you can take it up with them. - Jmabel ! talk 22:59, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Septembrie 2020: A început Wiki Loves Monuments în România!Edit

Deși trecem prin momente dificile în aceste vremuri imprevizibile generate de pandemia de COVID-19, competiția Wiki Loves Monuments are loc și anul acesta, implicit și în România.

Am fi încântați dacă ați participa și în acest an la documentarea fotografică a patrimoniului nostru cultural construit. Întrucât o carantină nu este programată în România, puteți să ieșiți în continuare să faceți fotografii - luând toate măsurile de siguranță recomandate de autoritățile locale de sănătate. Dacă preferați să evitați ieșirile, cu siguranță aveți fotografii cu monumente înregistrate pe calculator din ultima călătorie! Aceasta este o oportunitate excelentă de a le oferi o a doua viață prin concursului Wiki Loves Monuments. Pe lângă faptul că vor fi vizibile pentru toată lumea, fotografiile dumneavoastră ar putea reprezenta România în competiția internațională. De asemenea ele pot apărea în diverse articole la Wikipedia și pot contribui la conservarea online a patrimoniului cultural și istoric al României.

Pentru detalii și reguli de participare, puteți găsi mai multe informații pe pagina Wiki Loves Monuments România. Dacă aveți fotografii și din alte țări, puteți verifica aici țările participante.

Mulțumim și nu uitați, concursul se desfășoară până pe 30 septembrie! Mult succes vă dorim și să vă bucurați, în condiții de siguranță, de patrimoniul care vă înconjoară!

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Eu locuiesc în Statile Unite, și nu pot călători în România până nu se termină pandemia. - Jmabel ! talk 14:54, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

File:Equestrian Vaulting pictogram.svgEdit

The redirect is in use more than 500 times. Please restore. •2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E 20:28, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

The Bot will delink all articles. [4] please stop him •2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E 20:34, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Citius Altius Fortius said he was replacing it with a more specific image. Citius, why has that not happened? - Jmabel ! talk 21:23, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Deleting it before it was substituted in all articles was not helpful, to put it politely, and could have easily been avoided with one simple check right before executing the deletion. - Squasher (talk) 21:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Yes. Sorry I missed that. And I probably should have made the move myself rather than presume that he would do so promptly. - Jmabel ! talk 21:32, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
please restore the redirect now2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E 21:34, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
    • Oh, jeez. He didn't have filemover privileges and hadn't said so. So he tagged it, presumably thinking that would effectively move it. Now moved. My apologies for the havoc. - Jmabel ! talk 21:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
      • @2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E: Are you saying the move that was requested on Help Desk shouldn't even have happened, and that I should revert it and restore the redirect? If so, I'm going to have to ask that you come to consensus first. I apologize that I didn't know there was something controversial here; the request at Help Desk gave no indication of that. - Jmabel ! talk 21:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
my English is not enough for help desk. I wrote here by translator. •2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E 21:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Sorry, Jmabel and 2003:DE:70F:99BE:5C25:AE0B:1F07:E72E - I was sleeping - it is night here. I have to apologise to you Jmabel. I was not aware how many people are not aware of the differences between the different equestrian sports and used on wikipedia sites "Equestrian Vaulting pictogram", when they wanted to show the general equestrian pictogram. I thought people, who use "Equestrian Vaulting pictogram" instead of "Equestrian pictogram" really want to show "Vaulting" and not something else. That is a mystery to me - especially vaulting is something, which is not generally known. I do understand the problem that there are hundreds of sites now showing the more specific image "Vaulting" where the more general one was wanted to be shown. It would be better if the people use the general pictogram when they want to show the image of the general sport, but I doubt they will correct their mistake - therefore I kindly ask you to revert it, Jmabel although it drives "nuts".--Citius Altius Fortius (talk) 04:01, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
    • I will do the revert(s) on Commons (remove the new redirect, undo the move, restore the old redirect). @Citius Altius Fortius:
      • Please try to be of assistance in cleaning up what got messed up by this.
      • In the future, please, before coming to the Help Desk for what appears to be purely technical help, make sure that the necessary consensus has been established.
15:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Reminder: User Group Meeting this SaturdayEdit

Dear Commons Photographers User Group member,

This is a quick reminder that our second virtual meeting will take place this Saturday, September 26. The agenda entails presentations about drone photography, about the story behind a featured picture, and about the future of LRMediaWiki. We'll also discuss photographers’ contacts with the Wikimedia Foundation and the election of representatives for our user group. You'll find information about all of this on the event page:

I'm also inviting you to share some information about yourself and your photography work with other members of the user group on our new membership list:

I hope you're well during these difficult times. All the best, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 00:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


Hi Jmabel - I ran across this pic: File:Union Bay Natural Area flora 01.jpg; it looks like it should be fairly easy to identify, though I can't myself. One query though - it looks to me as though it should be rotated 180° (pendulous inflorescence, rather than erect). Can you remember if it is the right way up or not? Do you have any other pics of the same plant? Thanks! - MPF (talk) 15:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

  • @MPF: 3 years later it's hard to be sure, but I'm 99% consistent about which way I turn my camera when I shoot a vertical image. - Jmabel ! talk 15:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll leave it the way up it is now, then! - MPF (talk) 15:53, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear JmabelEdit

You Wrote this for me, i am photographer of this image, Help me provide more details. @Farzam.iman: More precisely, you need a free license issued by the photographer. - Jmabel ! talk 17:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farzam.iman (talk • contribs) 17:43, 3 October 2020‎ (UTC)

  • @Farzam.iman: I'm sorry, I have dozens of interactions per day and have no idea of the context of this. Would you please just continue the conversation wherever it was? Just say this there, not here. - Jmabel ! talk 18:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletionEdit

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry.

If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue.

Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!


And also:

Yours sincerely, DCB (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)


Gracias por tu amabilidad en responder. Creo firmemente que es imposible trabajar así y no quiero alargar la agonía. He ido añadiendo plantillas G7 a varias imágenes, total es mi palabra contra los verdugos que cuelgan los avisos y se limitan a eso. Ellos no pueden demostrar que no son imágenes mías, de la misma forma que yo no puedo demostrar que lo son pues no suelo grabarme delante del PC cuando trabajo... (chiste malo, lo sé). De estos años solo he aprendido que es un trabajo voluntario y desgraciadamente poco agradecido. Y ya llegó un punto que es mejor lanzar la toalla, no puedo luchar contra esto; no puedo, ni sé, encontrar lo que me piden para defender la permanencia de imagen. Se me hace muy cuesta arriba. No sé si podré ir añadiendo el G7 a todas las imágenes a diario, pero lo lograré con paciencia y cuando me lo permita el tiempo. De todo esto, entiendo que solo pierde la Wiki. El sentimiento de fracaso y humillación es muy grande, no te lo puedes ni imaginar, pero mira, es mejor afrontarlo con la cabeza alta. Al final todos acabaremos en el mismo lugar, así que da igual si aprecian el legado o no. Nadie se acordará de nosotros por esto. Un saludo y de nuevo, gracias.--Gilwellian (talk) 09:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

  • @Gilwellian: G7 es solamente para imágenes subido en la última siete días. Por favor, no pierda el tiempo agregándolo a archivos más antiguos. Lamento verse partir, pero por favor no haga daño al salir. Y sepa que si cambia de opinión después de unos meses, será bienvenido de regreso. - Jmabel ! talk 15:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Tomo nota. Y no es hacer daño, pues los archivos son míos y mi trabajo me ha costado. Y no, desgraciadamente, en las condiciones que se encuentra Commons, no hay razón para regresar porque no hay nada que hacer. Es perder el tiempo.--Gilwellian (talk) 15:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Te voy a explicar la historia de este archivo, que se acaba de eliminar de Commons. La imagen aparece aquí y el Sr. Eduardo Candami Salat que aparece citado como restaurador, me escribe literalmente alucinando preguntando por qué ha desaparecido la foto del artículo de Wikipedia. Le he intentado explicar y no lo entiende, es que nadie entre los mortales entiende Commons, y cuando eso pasa y el protocolo supera la realidad, la gente suele prescindir porque molesta, no es útil, es un estorbo para la rutina diaria. Se ha cabreado mucha gente relacionada con el mundo scout, que lo sepáis. El Sr. Candami hablará mañana con Pablo Genovés, el hijo de Enrique Genovés, pero ya le he informado de como funciona el procedimiento en Commons y siguiendo en su tónica de alucinaciones por la complejidad, entiende por qué me retiro del proyecto y no va a mover un dedo por recuperar el archivo. No ve beneficio alguno y sin embargo solo ve Commons como un agravio. De hecho me pregunta como es posible que un proyecto que no valora a sus editores, me haya tenido tan entretenido todos estos años. Yo también me lo pregunto a veces. Si quieres preguntar algo, el Facebook del Sr. Eduard Candami es este, por si a alguien le interesa contactar. Bueno, no espero nada positivo, solo pretendía que te dieses cuenta que las aportaciones están respaldadas por una comunidad scout muy amplia, y que nadie entiende (y por mucho que se intente explicar lo entenderá) estas cosas. Buenas noches. --Gilwellian (talk) 19:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Pues, juro que soy mortal (y también que era scout, hace muchos años). Derechos de autor son muy complejos, más complejo para imágenes que para palabras, y diferentes para cualquier país. No es Commons que lo hace así.
No me gusta que alguién decidió desenlacer a la vez una cascada de asuntos no relacionado uno a otro acerca de so obra aquí, y sín tratar de ayudar, pero en los que yo había tiempo para examinar, aparece que tuviera razón. Pero estoy de acuerdo con Vd. en que fue demasiado a la vez, y ahora no hay buen remedio. Hablaré con él, pero no creo que serva para nada, la cascada ya está desenlacecida. - Jmabel ! talk 20:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@EugeneZelenko, JuTa, AFBorchert: it does seem to me that an awful lot of distinct issues were unleashed all at once on User:Gilwellian without anyone really offering him any assistance in working through the matters. At this point, based on what he's said, he is simply giving up, and I can't blame him. It looks to me like most, maybe all, of your issues are legitimate, but also like most, maybe all, were resolvable, and raising dozens of distinct problems in a single day with a Wikipedian who is a somewhat casual user of Commons might not really be the best practice compared to engaging him and trying to work out these issues in a less time-compressed manner. - Jmabel ! talk 20:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I tried to explain what problems are for this user. Sure, it would be much better if problems were detected much early. Anyway, it's never too late to fix them instead of running away from this task. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
EugeneZelenko When advanced users try to explain is like talking klingon to us. Please, FIX ONE as an example and I'll try to amend the rest. This would be the right way to help! I am not the only Wikipedian who had or has problems here, in fact I think that from the volume of complaints that I have read on the talk pages, something is not being done right. Man, 15 years editing in Wikipedia, +2,200 articles created duly referenced but Commons is like an ice wall. --Gilwellian (talk) 08:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't have source publication(s) at hand. Summary of copyights law for particular country could be found on Commons:Copyright rules by territory. You need to find out information about authors and their date of life or date of publication for anonymous works to see if work in public domain or not. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
@Gilwellian: I hope it's OK if I revert to English here, now that we have people on this thread who do not know Spanish. The problem is: this is not a matter of a technical fix that someone other than you can make. The problem is that you've uploaded files without clearly establishing their copyright status. A lot of the Wikipedias do allow that for files used entirely within that single Wikipedia and not uploaded to Commons. For example, on the English-language Wikipedia, that is what en:Wikipedia:Non-free content is all about. But the central idea of Commons is to offer material that is either public-domain or free-licensed (where the license is broad enough to allow derivative work and commercial re-use), and if the copyright status of an image is unclear, then Commons shouldn't host it.
There seem to be a few separate issues, different for different images. The easiest to sort out would be any where you took a photograph yourself and where the photograph is not of a work that is copyrighted in its own right (as against taking a picture of a copyrighted book, which doesn't change that fact that the book is copyrighted). For these, all you need to do is to go through the process described at COM:OTRS to establish your identity and to say, "yes, these files are entirely my own work and I grant such-and-such license."
Some of these images come from third-party publications that presumably did not grant free licenses. Either there is a specific reason the image is in the public domain or there is not, and if there is not then Commons can't host it. If there is, then that specific reason needs to be established, and the rules for this will be different in each country. Commons requires that the image be free in both its country of origin and in the U.S. It is rare for an image to be free in its country of origin but not the U.S., but it happens because of a somewhat weird 1996 U.S. law that "restored" certain lapsed rights, sometimes granting rights that would last longer than in the country of origin. Please don't take offense if a few otherwise OK images end up deleted because of that. As I said above, copyright law is inherently difficult, and for the most part the difficulties are very much in the law itself, not in rules we on Commons have made.
With reference to that last: in most countries, copyright persists for a number of years after the author's death, typically 70 years. Some countries have a shorter term for "non-artistic" photographs, often as short as 50 years from initial publication even if the author is still alive. Also, uniquely for the U.S., anything more than 95 years old is out of copyright, so anything from the U.S. before 1925 is public domain. Commons:Hirtle chart sorts out a lot of other U.S. issues.
Some countries also have very special cases, such as the one covered by {{PD-Coa-Hungary}}, which says that the official coat of arms or flag of a Hungarian municipality is public domain.
I think the trickiest ones here will be things where you did a drawing based loosely on a presumably copyrighted design. I seem to remember seeing one of a Transylvanian Boy Scout logo (sorry, I don't have time to look for it now). Presuming the official logo is copyrighted, the problem is that it may not be possible to have an image that both sufficiently accurately represents the logo and is not subject to the logo's copyright. On the other hand, if the logo consists only of the graphics from an early Boy Scout logo whose copyright has lapsed, and some specific text in Romanian, there may not be any legitimate copyright on the logo (there might be a trademark, but that is a completely separate part of intellectual property law, and on Commons we deal with that simply by adding the {{Trademark}} template).
I hope some of that helps. If you are willing to work on this, it would be good to start with OTRS for anything that are simply your own photos. Similarly, if you have uploaded work by known photographers or artists and can get them to provide licenses via OTRS, that should also be relatively straightforward.
I'll admit I haven't been following the details of this closely: I'm not usually particularly active in deletion discussions. EugeneZelenko, in your opinion do the several DRs make it clear in what way the various images fall short of the necessary permissions? Are there any large number of them that have a single, parallel issue that it is likely to be possible to address? - Jmabel ! talk 15:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't think that additional deletion requests are necessary. Obviously there are problems with license statuses and that problems must be addressed. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:45, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
@EugeneZelenko: I certainly agree that no additional deletion requests are necessary. What I'm asking, given that you have been more involved than I in the actual substance of this, are the existing DRs clear about what issues need to be addressed, and are there a small number of recurring issues or a very diverse set of issues? - Jmabel ! talk 21:11, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I think it's clear what must be improved (permissions; proper licenses for public domain images). At least additional explanations were given several times. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


Nobody helps here, I edit so blind in front of a template puzzle, and I have no idea if I'm doing it right or wrong. If there is something that you see incorrect, let whoever knows do it, but respect the photos.--Gilwellian (talk) 09:19, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit: Gracias por tu amable comentario, pero ya ves que ninguno de los tres ha mostrado ni un ápice de interés. Creo sinceramente que Commons está tan alejado de la realidad de la gente normal, que se ha convertido en un monstruo. La desgracia es que ese abismo entre usuarios eventuales y el Olimpo Commons es tan grande que llegará el día en que otra plataforma tomará el relevo y el proyecto Commons quedará obsoleto por falta de apoyo popular. He intentado modificar información de algunas fotos, los logos me dan igual, yo sé que son míos y para quien los he diseñado, el resto no importa. De nuevo, insisto, que la eliminación de la foto de Enrique Genovés Guillén ha herido a mucha gente, son fotos personales que están libres de derechos y solo sirven para divulgación histórica y enciclopédica. Yo más no puedo hacer, me retiro y ya veré las notificaciones dentro de una semana. Saludos.--Gilwellian (talk) 09:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


I need to make a correction to the title of a picture I submitted for the contest. Dockside living (talk) 03:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

  • @Dockside living: I have no idea why you are asking this on my user talk page, or even what contest you are talking about, but assuming you mean a picture on Commons, you can use the {{Rename}} template to ask for any uncontroversial change of name to your own file. - Jmabel ! talk 16:36, 24 October 2020 (UTC)