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The War of Edits User:Laurel Lodged edit
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Прошу заблокировать участника Laurel Lodged (talk · contribs) за неконсенсусную категоризацию и развязанную из-за этого войну правок. Online translation: I ask you to block the participant Laurel Lodged (talk · contribs) for non-consensual categorization and the war of edits unleashed because of this. Ыфь77 (talk) 13:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
@Ыфь77: I can see absolutely nothing here that calls for blocking User:Laurel Lodged. This seems like a reasonable controversy over how best to organize a category tree, certainly not something to be solved by blocking someone for having the temerity to disagree with you. But perhaps I am mistaken. Either you need to present a concrete case (with diffs) as to why Laurel Lodged has done something that merits a block, or (at least in terms of the Administrators' noticeboard) we should end this discussion right here. Please also be aware that if your case consists of "the two of us has been edit warring back and forth" I would then say that if either of you should be blocked for that, then both of you should be blocked. - Jmabel ! talk 20:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
It sounds like Ыфь77 is not satisfied with what I proposed as a way to discuss this. If someone else (including Ыфь77) can propose a better way to proceed than I did, please do. But in any case, let us please not continue the substantive discussion about categorization here on this page. - Jmabel ! talk 13:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm happy to abide by a 7 day ban o editing in the whole of religion. Looking forward to the Cfd when it's opened. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
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Really not an administrative matter. I hope someone will set up a place to discuss the category hierarchy for Christian denominations, and if someone does so, then feel free to link that here. Otherwise, as far as this page is concerned, this discussion is closed. - Jmabel ! talk 04:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Jmabel: This account Laurel Lodged is categorized as "Wikipedia users banned by the Arbitration Committee". The ban on Wikipedia is for essentially the same behavior. See "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/SmallCat dispute". Krok6kola (talk) 00:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Who cares? I am permanently banned. enwiki is not commons. Not to mention, the case you refer to - LL was not banned for category issues in any way. Leave your enwiki drama on enwiki. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 01:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't totally unrelated -- it was a conflict that began around category issues -- but yes, the en-wiki ban (indef, but appealable soon) was for things said in disputes with other users, and I haven't seen similar behavior here. Krok6kola, as I said elsewhere, if you see the same issue on Commons, provide diffs. - Jmabel ! talk 07:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- It was an extraordinary situation around one of the most toxic editors Wikipedia has ever seen. Someone who chased off hundreds of editors, and who was indefinitely banned themselves. Bringing up LL’s ban when in no way was LL’s behaviour anywhere even close to the Wikipedia issue is very wrong. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't totally unrelated -- it was a conflict that began around category issues -- but yes, the en-wiki ban (indef, but appealable soon) was for things said in disputes with other users, and I haven't seen similar behavior here. Krok6kola, as I said elsewhere, if you see the same issue on Commons, provide diffs. - Jmabel ! talk 07:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Who cares? I am permanently banned. enwiki is not commons. Not to mention, the case you refer to - LL was not banned for category issues in any way. Leave your enwiki drama on enwiki. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 01:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Reopening because User:Ыфь77 continues to edit in this area without consensus edit
I believe this edit by User:Ыфь77 (the original complainant here!) is dead wrong, and in any case certainly does not amount to engaging in discussion, and laying off of editing in this area for at least a week. - Jmabel ! talk 15:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Стоп! Просьба различать "Christian denominations" и протестантизм. По первому случаю я жду нового раздела. По второму случаю никаких споров не было, правки являются консенсусными. Online translation: Stop! Please distinguish between "Christian denominations" and Protestantism. On the first occasion, I'm waiting for a new section. In the second case there was no dispute, the edits are consensual. Ыфь77 (talk) 15:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Clearly an unhelpful edit. The churches are indeed rightful members of Category:Protestant churches in the United States by denomination. Why would you remove the category? Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Потому что щёлкнул мышкой не в том месте. Уже отменил. Online translation: Because I clicked the mouse in the wrong place. I've already cancelled it. Ыфь77 (talk) 15:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Проблемы были у подкатегории Category:Congregationalist churches in the United States by state - входила 2 раза в надкатегорию, а в проблемной правке перепутал окна. Ошибиться уже нельзя? Online translation: The subcategory had problems Category:Congregationalist churches in the United States by state - entered the super-category 2 times, and mixed up the windows in the problematic edit. Is it already impossible to make a mistake? Ыфь77 (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Of course you can make a mistake, though it is hard for me to understand why you were editing in this area at all, rather than working toward finding a consensus about it.
- Also: (1) You've just been involved in a dispute which you yourself tried to raise to the level of an administrative matter. When you come into the room with guns blazing, it's a bad time to make a mistake. (2) Even your own initial remark here isn't to the effect of "oops, sorry, didn't mean to make that edit." Instead it appears to be a defense of the edit. - Jmabel ! talk 17:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- 0) Я не занимался редактированием в области, где должен будет происходить поиск консенсуса. И повторюсь, я слишком плохо знаю английский язык, чтобы искать площадку для переговоров в формате не "1 на 1". 2) Это должно выглядеть не как защита правки, а как защита места правки. Мне вообще нельзя править категории христианства? Online translation: 0) I have not done any editing in the area where the consensus search will have to take place. And I repeat, I know English too poorly to look for a platform for negotiations in a non-"1 on 1" format. 2) This should not look like a protection of the edit, but as a protection of the place of the edit. Am I not allowed to rule the categories of Christianity at all? Ыфь77 (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Protestant churches are clearly delineated by denomination. At this point, you are being disruptive. I understood your concerns around denominational families, but this is absurd. As per below, I propose we enact restriction to prevent Ыфь77 from making channges to any categories related to Christian denominations.
- I quite agree with Jmabel. You came here to sanction another editor, then discovered you needed to duscuss the matter, now you yourself are under scrutiny. That’s going to happen if you go about things in the way you have. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 06:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Вы не правы. Я пришёл сюда, чтобы прекратить правки моего оппонента и у меня не было желания именно наказать. Я до сих пор не знаю другого способа его остановить, потому что диалог с ним к результату не привёл. Online translation: You are wrong. I came here to stop my opponent's edits and I had no desire to punish him. I still don't know any other way to stop him, because the dialogue with him did not lead to a result. Ыфь77 (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- What dialog? There was no dialog. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 01:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Диалог был, но ранее. К результату не привёл. Зачем второй раз говорить без результата? Online translation: There was a dialogue, but earlier. It did not lead to a result. Why speak a second time without result? Ыфь77 (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Your understanding of consensus is… lacking. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 00:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Диалог был, но ранее. К результату не привёл. Зачем второй раз говорить без результата? Online translation: There was a dialogue, but earlier. It did not lead to a result. Why speak a second time without result? Ыфь77 (talk) 20:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- What dialog? There was no dialog. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 01:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Вы не правы. Я пришёл сюда, чтобы прекратить правки моего оппонента и у меня не было желания именно наказать. Я до сих пор не знаю другого способа его остановить, потому что диалог с ним к результату не привёл. Online translation: You are wrong. I came here to stop my opponent's edits and I had no desire to punish him. I still don't know any other way to stop him, because the dialogue with him did not lead to a result. Ыфь77 (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Clearly an unhelpful edit. The churches are indeed rightful members of Category:Protestant churches in the United States by denomination. Why would you remove the category? Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- I’m afraid there needs to be restrictions placed on Ыфь77 from
- making changes to categories related to Christian denominations. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 06:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
I want to remind all concerned, but especially Ыфь77 and Laurel Lodged that this page is not the place to discuss the substance of categorization issues, just the meta-issue of how people are behaving. Neither of you should be editing in this area until there is some sort of consensus. @Adamant1: you were going to set up a place for the discussion. Did you, and if so where? (I'm still in Berlin and too busy to look into this further for several more days.) - Jmabel ! talk 07:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- No sorry. I've been pretty busy with other stuff. I haven't had time to look into the latest stuff either. Probably both of them should just avoid editing in the area altogether at this point regardless. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Adamant1: I don't think failing to address the matter is workable. We do need to reach a consensus in this area and there needs to be a place to discuss that. Laurel Lodged has made a proposal that is neither obviously correct nor obviously wrong, and I think it should be discussed. I don't want this admin board turning yet again into the de facto place for the discussion.
- Since Adamant1 is apparently not interested in setting up a place to discuss this, will someone else please take it on? Failing that, I'll do it in a few days; most of the next 36 hours I will be in transit and largely incommunicado. - Jmabel ! talk 15:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
A1Cafel edit
A1Cafel has displayed various problems in his time on Commons. A common thread, on all of them (except socking), is a lack of adaquate communication. Time and time again, people come to A1Cafel with concerns about his edits. And time and time again, A1Cafel does not respond (either at all, or meaningfully). This is a collaborative project; communication is required.
And although communication is required, communication alone is not sufficent. Sometimes A1Cafel does say the right things in response to concerns. All too often, however, he then continues doing what led to the concerns in the first place. This, too, is not acceptable.
I do not believe that any topic ban, or combination of topic bans, would be effective at this time. I have therefore decided to block A1Cafel. I have done so indefinitely.
Why indefinitely? Because I am not convinced that any time-based block could lead to a change in behavior once the block expires in, e.g., a year. A1Cafel has been blocked many times, and has therefore had the opportunity to use that time to reflect on what he would like to change in his behavior. But such a change has not happened, as far as I can tell.
Indefinite, of course, does not mean infinite: an acknowledgment of what led to the block, and a credible commitment to discontinue it, will lead to a successful unblock request. Before submitting one, however, A1Cafel should do some introspection to figure out what needs to change, and how he will change it. Reviewing administrators may also wish to consider whether additional topic bans should be imposed as an unblock condition.
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A1Cafel (talk · contribs) Long-term mass uploading junk/poor-quality/out of scope/duplicate files often without correct titles, descriptions and categories after multiple warnings and requests from other users (see talk page). Persistent toxic behaviour, refusal to talk with others (User_talk:A1Cafel#Request: Please, name files with good file names, before you upload. User_talk:A1Cafel#Your_White_House_upload_has_only_hidden_categories.). Strange behaviour: adding bad "criticism" category Category:Files from Flickr with bad file names white itself continuing to upload files with problematic titles from Flickr, and even adding the category to own upload (!) (Special:Diff/863845500). The user is also known for long-term "FoP-trolling" and deletionism, with nominating files for deletion due to FoP-and-derivative work-related problems (often without understanding of licensing and COM:DM), user hiding behind an article in the law but itself A1Cafel often mass-upload of DW and FoP-violating files (only recent cases) (User_talk:A1Cafel#Notification_about_possible_deletion_2, File:ESPR 0459 (53657780323).jpg, File:ESPR 0461 (53658023290).jpg, File:ESPR 0462 (53657780393).jpg, File:ESPR 0464 (53657779868).jpg, File:ESPR 0465 (53657557041).jpg, File:ESPR 0469 (53657557096).jpg, File:ESPR 0470 (53657780438).jpg, File:ESPR 0472 (53656683937).jpg, File:ESPR 0473 (53658023990).jpg, File:ESPR 0471 (53657557081).jpg). Previous ANU topics:
- Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems/Archive_93#A1Cafel_and_yet_more_abusive_deletions
- Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems/Archive_106#User:A1Cafel
- Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems/Archive_108#Subject:_Request_for_Permanent_Block_of_A1Cafel
- Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems/Archive_109#Permanent_Block_request_for_violation_of_Topic_Ban_by_A1Cafel.
Five blocks in 1.5 years did not help. Regards, 84.126.228.207 18:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- @84.126.228.207: Do you have a specific complaint that has not been addressed in previous discussions? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- At least, there is an issue with A1Cafel uploading derivative works of non free content (which I deleted), while being a zealot creator of nominations for copyright violations. Also removing this thread twice is not OK. Yann (talk) 06:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Any action. Although I agree that A1Cafel could probably name files better, but there's no guideline about how to name files. Let alone is someone creating bad file names grounds for banning them. Especially on it's own and the rest of this really just comes off as a rehash of issues that have (mostly) already been dealt with. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose actions against A1Cafel.However, I'd like to note that the removals of this thread A1Cafel attempted should not have taken place. An anonymous editor is not less than a registered user, and the thread is not a personal attack or abuse, so it should stay. --Bedivere (talk) 05:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per SHB2000 essentially. Bedivere (talk) 16:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Opposeper Adamant1. I don't think any blocks are warranted at this stage. --SHB2000 (talk) 10:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have struck my vote and will now Support a 2-week block after the evidence provided by Andy Dingley. I should stress that I am not supporting based on the IP's arguments, but rather A1Cafel attempting to remove this discussion twice. --SHB2000 (talk) 07:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Two weeks won’t cut it for this behaviour. I’m proposing a year long block. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I mentioned 2 weeks since I think that is enough down time for A1 to reflect on their behaviour, but I wouldn't oppose a longer block if that's what the community believes works best. According to Bedivere, the last block was 2 weeks, meaning the next would be 1 month, and I'm happy with that if that's what we think works best. --SHB2000 (talk) 09:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I do agree that an indefinite block is not the right call, though. --SHB2000 (talk) 09:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I mentioned 2 weeks since I think that is enough down time for A1 to reflect on their behaviour, but I wouldn't oppose a longer block if that's what the community believes works best. According to Bedivere, the last block was 2 weeks, meaning the next would be 1 month, and I'm happy with that if that's what we think works best. --SHB2000 (talk) 09:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Two weeks won’t cut it for this behaviour. I’m proposing a year long block. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have struck my vote and will now Support a 2-week block after the evidence provided by Andy Dingley. I should stress that I am not supporting based on the IP's arguments, but rather A1Cafel attempting to remove this discussion twice. --SHB2000 (talk) 07:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, vandalism. Maybe 'misguided', but that's the whole problem with A1Cafel. Per AGF we assume that they 'mean well', but is their judgement up to CIR? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the evidence presented is not sufficient to block someone. Maybe A1Cafel should be blocked for “refusing to get the point” but you can’t use bad file names and a single (debatable) “vandalism” incident as a gateway to double jeopardy someone. Dronebogus (talk) 12:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- There is a pattern. If you look at their talk page, they have consistently uploaded Flickr files that are completely problematic in more ways than just file naming conventions. One of the worst issues is a disregard for copyright policies. The problem is that this causes a. a lot of work for others to fix, b. leaves us potentially liable for copyright enforcement actions, and c. completely goes against the goals and ethos of the project, which are to provide truly freely available images for the general public and to society at large. A1Cafel has been around for a long time. They routinely submit images for deletion for valid reasons like copyright infringement, so it’s not like they don’t understand the concept.
- A message needs to be sent and the project needs to be protected. They have been apparently blocked five times in the last year and a half. Shorter blocks won’t work - give them a severe block - one year. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Andy and SHB2000. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 13:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the sheer quantity of files they have uploaded that have been deleted, the vandalism of ANU, the hypocritical “policing” of others images, the lack of responses to fair questions on his user page, and the inability to name files correctly despite many, many people imploring him to muse sensible file names indicates to me this was see needs a long term block. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 18:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - abuses Flickr2Commons on a regular basis without following simple commons policies on what should and should not be uploaded here by mass uploading just to up his edit count and then ignores people who report his uploads to his talk page. Has previously proven he doesn't understand simple common policies and refuses to acknowledge his mistakes or fix them, i prefer an indef block but thats not gonna happen with this 'protected' user.. Stemoc 02:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support an
indefiniteblock. RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)- I don't think an indef/perma block would solve anything. I would expect 1) A1Cafel gets a block (1 month since last block was two weeks?) 2) A1Cafel makes a compromise not to disrupt the project and take comments positively and constructively. Bedivere (talk) 04:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I promise I respect every users (including IP users) and not to disrupt the project, and I apologize for my pre-mature behaviour. --A1Cafel (talk) 04:23, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Problem is you have made promises in the past and have not kept up to those promises. What about the mass-up loads from Flickr, in some cases duplicates and in others that have FOP/TOO issues. Bidgee (talk) 04:30, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The question of a block aside, you might at least just avoid using Flickr2Commons altogether at this point since it seems like your incapable of not getting into trouble with it. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- As someone who was quite badly treated on enwiki, I don’t support an indefinite block. A long block in this case is needed, but given I’ve seen users act here in immature and silly ways, but are still valuable contributors, I think the harshness and unfeeling attitudes towards those who mess up are frankly pretty pathetic. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Problem is you have made promises in the past and have not kept up to those promises. What about the mass-up loads from Flickr, in some cases duplicates and in others that have FOP/TOO issues. Bidgee (talk) 04:30, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Bedivere, administrator Mdaniels5757 stated, in A1Cafel's third to last block, that the next one would "be longer, or perhaps be indefinite". In the meantime, the "next block" has already occurred, and it wasn't indefinite. The next of the "next block" has also occured. Will the upcoming one be indefinite or not? Will it ever end? RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:44, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm willing to give A1Cafel one last chance, I think they are contributing positively in a genuine way. However, I agree with your concerns too. I don't think an indefinite block is needed at this point but, since there is near unanimous consensus to block, a block is to be issued for sure. Everybody has made their points quite clear and A1Cafel should take note of every comment and avoid these areas that are becoming troublesome: Flickr2Commons, for example. If they are found once again, after this final block, to be making disruptive edits like those that have been pointed out, they should be indefinitely blocked undoubtedly, and there is consensus for that. Anyway, indefinite blocks are not meant in every case to be a forever-lasting one. Bedivere (talk) 05:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- We can absolutely give them a chance, but bad behaviour of the nature of A1Cafel comes with consequences. A year long block is a severe but proportionate response to their actions. It prevents their disruption abandoned protects the project, and gives them a chance to return afresh. If they return and exhibit the same behaviours, another year long block could be reimposed. One only has so many years of their life. This would give them a chance to reform, but not give them much chance to continue disrupting commons. The block would be a proportionate and still compassionate response to their behaviour. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm willing to give A1Cafel one last chance, I think they are contributing positively in a genuine way. However, I agree with your concerns too. I don't think an indefinite block is needed at this point but, since there is near unanimous consensus to block, a block is to be issued for sure. Everybody has made their points quite clear and A1Cafel should take note of every comment and avoid these areas that are becoming troublesome: Flickr2Commons, for example. If they are found once again, after this final block, to be making disruptive edits like those that have been pointed out, they should be indefinitely blocked undoubtedly, and there is consensus for that. Anyway, indefinite blocks are not meant in every case to be a forever-lasting one. Bedivere (talk) 05:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I promise I respect every users (including IP users) and not to disrupt the project, and I apologize for my pre-mature behaviour. --A1Cafel (talk) 04:23, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think an indef/perma block would solve anything. I would expect 1) A1Cafel gets a block (1 month since last block was two weeks?) 2) A1Cafel makes a compromise not to disrupt the project and take comments positively and constructively. Bedivere (talk) 04:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Undefined block. ----Benoît (d) 11:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: One of the most taunting, cynical, and destructive users Commons has seen in a long while. Apart from having, for instance, attempted to speedy delete photographs of a deceased volunteer, the destruction left by A1Cafel on the project is hard to measure for one simple reason: because, precisely, it's been deleted. To give you an idea, I once stumbled upon an image deleted by them: File:Lula and Castro9851.jpeg. Digging a bit deeper, I found out they had nominated for speedy deletion over 300 images uploaded by a volunteer inactive for about a decade, despite having uploaded images from the same source just a few days prior. Needless to say, this simply wreaked havoc on countless articles, as a large portion of these images were COM:INUSE. Alongside DarwIn, I was trying to gradually restore them, but I was caught off guard by personal issues that I need to address with more urgency than dedicating myself to volunteer work. As Chris.sherlock2 pointed out, a long-term block against this account is warranted. I agree with Stemoc that this block should be indefinite. A1Cafel's harassing behavior must come to an end. Otherwise, the mentioned threads wouldn't have been opened by Edelseider, Benoît Prieur, Ooligan, Wilfredor, etc... RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- To be clear, I support something like a year long block. Not an indefinite block. Being out of the project for an entire year absolutely gives the editor cause for thought. If they come back and start doing the same thing, then give them another year block. People go through life stages, none of us know about A1Cafel’s life circumstances. A year long block at this point does a few things - first, it protects the project. Second, it shows the barest minimum of mercy we should supply for the behaviour exhibited - but it does give a chance to allow A1Cafel to get their life together in the meantime. Alternatively, such a long absence might give them a chance to move on to more productive areas of their life - it could be we are breaking some sort of cycle.
- so, no indef block please. A year block would be sufficient, with a warning that if they return after a year a similar year long block could and likely will be imposed upon them. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Chris.sherlock2, when I mentioned an indefinite block, I imagined that the user could request unblocking after some time. Judging by the reactions, apparently it's not like that here on Commons. So, a long-term block seems fair enough to me. I'm also indefinitely blocked on the Portuguese-language Wikipedia, and I wish it hadn't been like that—I agree absolutely with you that "people go through life stages". Cheers, RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The whole “begging my betters” to be unblocked doesn’t sit right with me. Indefinite blocking on an admin noticeboard smacks of lynching. I’ve seen it first hand - sometimes ironically those participating in the lynching were indefinitely blocked themselves. It’s not a culture we want to encourage on commons. Outside of Wikimedia projects, those who commit terrible crimes (except for genuine lifers) have fixed periods of punishment. I don’t see why any Wikimedia project thinks disproportionate blocks are a good idea. I can count on one hand the people who deserved to be blocked indefinitely on a Wikimedia Project. Severe punishment is fine, but it has to be proportionate to the behaviours exhibited. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps it's time to build up a penal code ;-) Joke aside, I do agree indef-blocking long-term users who have commited grave mistakes is not a good idea if the purpose is to give them a lesson. Bedivere (talk) 05:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- lol! god help us.
- It’s a combination of lessons in consequences and protecting the project. It’s pretty clear that a severe sanction needs to be imposed. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 06:02, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps it's time to build up a penal code ;-) Joke aside, I do agree indef-blocking long-term users who have commited grave mistakes is not a good idea if the purpose is to give them a lesson. Bedivere (talk) 05:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The whole “begging my betters” to be unblocked doesn’t sit right with me. Indefinite blocking on an admin noticeboard smacks of lynching. I’ve seen it first hand - sometimes ironically those participating in the lynching were indefinitely blocked themselves. It’s not a culture we want to encourage on commons. Outside of Wikimedia projects, those who commit terrible crimes (except for genuine lifers) have fixed periods of punishment. I don’t see why any Wikimedia project thinks disproportionate blocks are a good idea. I can count on one hand the people who deserved to be blocked indefinitely on a Wikimedia Project. Severe punishment is fine, but it has to be proportionate to the behaviours exhibited. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 05:20, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Chris.sherlock2, when I mentioned an indefinite block, I imagined that the user could request unblocking after some time. Judging by the reactions, apparently it's not like that here on Commons. So, a long-term block seems fair enough to me. I'm also indefinitely blocked on the Portuguese-language Wikipedia, and I wish it hadn't been like that—I agree absolutely with you that "people go through life stages". Cheers, RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Dear Commonists! I want to further clarify what problems with A1 we have there to help the community to deside how they may be fixed and possible impacts if will no actions:
1. Out of scope/junk/low-quality uploads. This is the most significant problem with the user. Why? Out of scope/poor-quality-junk uploads severely discreditate Commons as a useful source for media-files. They crowding categories and makes finding of really useful files much difficult. This is only physical side of the problem. Moral side it is just unpleasant to see these files. 2. Toxic behavouir. Also heavy problem. Mass FoP-and-deletionist trolling discourages users and it may cause to a user left the project and at least minimize work here. Uploading duplicates/files with bad names/without basic categories and descriptions, refusal to talk with others, removing the topic twice, calling my actions as trolling represent that AGF cannot applied here. Concerning to recent DRs, I do not understand why this file (and many similar) violate FOP. The murals is severely distorted and not in focus, and fences are too simple to be copyrighted. 3. If a user want to become a fan of FoP-and-DW-related DRs he himself must be impeccable. However the user persistently upload FoP-and-DW-violating files. I do not know whether he is doing so accidentally or deliberately, I assume the first and A1 simply do not check what exastly he want to upload. I have nothing personal against A1.
P.S. @The Squirrel Conspiracy: Please do not ping IPs, they will not see your ping. I did not read previous long discussion fully. I do not known whether all the problems have been discussed or not. Even all of them have been discussed and there is no specific complaints, this request is valid because later ANU topics and blocks did not affect the user's modus operandi. I hope that I answered your question. Regards, 109.205.139.189 10:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Perhaps it's time to build up a penal code It is kind of dumb to block people things that aren't even against the rules to begin with. Although I know A1Cafel has chronic issues, but there was just a proposal for implementing some standards for how to name files that was shot down. So are really going to give someone a year long block for that? Come on. What other behavior is there here that's recent and/or already hasn't been litigated in other ANU complaints though? Because I don't see anything. I'll also point while I'm at it that RodRabelo7 brought up that A1Cafel had File:Lula and Castro9851.jpeg, without mentioning the important detail that he nominated the image for deletion because it a lacked a source, which is anyone's prerogative. I think the main thing here is axe grinding over A1Cafel's DRs of images that violate FOP, as should be evidenced by the IPs editors message saying enough. Otherwise, again and regardless of the consensus, what actually warrants a long-term block here? Claims of "Mass FoP-and-deletionist trolling" shouldn't cut it. As if reporting or blocking people simply for being extremely active in the area of deletion requests doesn't also discourage users or cause them to leave the project. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Have you looked at his recent upload history? It’s chock full of files from Flickr that clearly aren’t valid files. Meanwhile I see him nominating images of y others for the same reason. There is a pattern at work here, it’s not just badly named files. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 11:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Chris.sherlock2: Yeah I have. Some of them are low quality, but that's just Flickr for you. Images from there tend to be crap. There's no quality guidelines anyway. So what exactly do you mean by the files not being valid? --Adamant1 (talk) 11:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- There are absolutely stacks that violate FoP from the countries the photos were taken. Check the notifications on his talk page. It’s not like he doesn’t know about the rules around FoP. It’s extremely concerning. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 11:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Now that you mention it, I was looking through them early and I don't really see what the issue is with a lot, if not most, of the images that were nominated for deletion. Like File:Czech pavilion EXPO 2020 © JinJan, WeAreConted(s) 2.jpg is just a bunch of random wires. There's nothing original about that. Same with File:Governador João Doria durante visita à Expo Dubai (51634704902).jpg, which is some block letters. But sure, lets indef block A1Cafel because they uploaded some images of metal wiring. Sounds reasonable lmao. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- You are missing the ones that were actually deleted. I have never called for him to be indef blocked. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah well, it's kind of hard to judge deleted images, but if they are anything like the ones that were nominated for deletion then.....And I know you didn't. That seems to be the sentiment. Although I have the same opinion about a one year block then I do an indef. Neither one seems justified given the lack of evidence and clearly bad motives involved on the side of the person that opened this. A1Cafel is a pretty important editor when it comes to dealing with FOP violations. I'd hate to lose someone that's a heavy editor in that area, and a badly needed one at that. Lets not turn this into Wikipedia where we run off all the "deletionists" based on essentially nothing but drama farming like they have a tendency to do.
- You are missing the ones that were actually deleted. I have never called for him to be indef blocked. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Now that you mention it, I was looking through them early and I don't really see what the issue is with a lot, if not most, of the images that were nominated for deletion. Like File:Czech pavilion EXPO 2020 © JinJan, WeAreConted(s) 2.jpg is just a bunch of random wires. There's nothing original about that. Same with File:Governador João Doria durante visita à Expo Dubai (51634704902).jpg, which is some block letters. But sure, lets indef block A1Cafel because they uploaded some images of metal wiring. Sounds reasonable lmao. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- There are absolutely stacks that violate FoP from the countries the photos were taken. Check the notifications on his talk page. It’s not like he doesn’t know about the rules around FoP. It’s extremely concerning. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 11:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Chris.sherlock2: Yeah I have. Some of them are low quality, but that's just Flickr for you. Images from there tend to be crap. There's no quality guidelines anyway. So what exactly do you mean by the files not being valid? --Adamant1 (talk) 11:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Have you looked at his recent upload history? It’s chock full of files from Flickr that clearly aren’t valid files. Meanwhile I see him nominating images of y others for the same reason. There is a pattern at work here, it’s not just badly named files. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 11:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Make it a couple of months block with the condition that they won't use Flickr2Commons or mass import anything from their again when they are unblocked since that's where most, if not, all of their problems come from. I'd totally support that. Say like a 3 month block to cool off and think. Then no more mass-imports from Flickr after that? (Just to be clear, I don't see an issue with them using the upload wizard to import a few images from Flickr that they have put the time into reviewing before hand though). Anyway, I think that's more then fair. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- "Perhaps it's time to build up a penal code" - I clarified that was only meant to be a joke. I have also said that just escalating to a one-month-block, with A1Cafel making a compromise not to repeat the same mistakes again, is a good and safe turnout for this discussion. Bedivere (talk) 13:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- That’s fair. We probably need to a rapidly escalating block though. And yes, I don’t want to see enwiki lynch mobs. It always saddened me when I saw non-editors raining down judgement on long-term editors who had produced (*gasp*) articles - and then you look at the lynch mob participants and all they did was category work or hung out at ANI. Amusingly, some of the most vociferous participants have later been indefinitely blocked themselves. So, yes, let’s not be like that cesspool. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Bedivere Fair enough. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- "Perhaps it's time to build up a penal code" - I clarified that was only meant to be a joke. I have also said that just escalating to a one-month-block, with A1Cafel making a compromise not to repeat the same mistakes again, is a good and safe turnout for this discussion. Bedivere (talk) 13:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Make it a couple of months block with the condition that they won't use Flickr2Commons or mass import anything from their again when they are unblocked since that's where most, if not, all of their problems come from. I'd totally support that. Say like a 3 month block to cool off and think. Then no more mass-imports from Flickr after that? (Just to be clear, I don't see an issue with them using the upload wizard to import a few images from Flickr that they have put the time into reviewing before hand though). Anyway, I think that's more then fair. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I agree with many of the points mentioned, I come to limited defense of A1Cafel on the accusation ""FoP-trolling" and deletionism, with nominating files for deletion due to FoP-and-derivative work-related problems" Quite simply, A1Cafel's deletion discussion listings for FOP/DW problems are very frequently (though not always) correct. (I recall a while back a different user was listed here for frequent arguments to keep on deletion requests that some found a bit obnoxious - and this user also was very frequently (though not always) correct. Copyright law is sometimes convoluted, and some things that might be assumed to be ok by casual observers are actually violations, and some things that might be assumed to be violations by casual observers are actually ok.) -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 15:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support indef. block, net negative, per RodRabelo7 and others. Strakhov (talk) 13:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm totally fine and ready for this. --A1Cafel (talk) 14:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Since the user apparently consents to their own indef block. I think that settles the question. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk)— Preceding undated comment was added at 15:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I don't view this comment this way. But I'll close this discussion shortly. —Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Since the user apparently consents to their own indef block. I think that settles the question. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk)— Preceding undated comment was added at 15:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm totally fine and ready for this. --A1Cafel (talk) 14:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
User:Dafzzz edit
Dafzzz (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) Consistently uploading copyvios, AI upscaling images (to avoid detection?), removing CSD without resolving the issues, removing corresponding talk page notifications for said copyvios after final copyright warning. WhoAteMyButter (talk) 04:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Blocked for a month for massive YT license washing. Files deleted and Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Dafzzz. Yann (talk) 09:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
User:OperationSakura6144 edit
OperationSakura6144 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) Created a category Category:Flags of municipialities of Japan used in Wikipedia articles with vector versions available which contains a vicious personal attack against MacOS Weed (talk · contribs).
"MacOS Weed is a shameless piece of crap. I thought him to be helpful but turns out he isn't. He didn't understand my worries well. Now, I'm never gonna beg help or even talk with him anymore, he's ungrateful. I hate him."
This is a completely unacceptable way to talk about other editors. 155.133.20.118 10:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I know, but he could have refused my request without using vulgar language. I'm sorry if I personally attacked MacOS Weed. Please grant me a 3-day block for this. I'm just sharing my experience with MacOS Weed. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 11:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps start by removing the offensive comments. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I removed the offensive comments. Please tell MacOS Weed to not use vulgar language while talking with users, especially newcomers, and apologize to me for that. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide the diff where they did this? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely. Here's what MacOS Weed replied (found in User talk:MacOS Weed):
- MacOS Weed: Hi, I'm not sure to understand, it seems to have already be done haha
- Me: Stop joking. Each "original" (PNG/JPG/GIF) file is used by each Wikipedia article. It's too easy to replace them with SVG files. Please do it.
- MacOS Weed: Okay, first, don’t ever talk me like that, I was trying to be nice understanding your request because It sounded you asked me to rename the file, your request wasn’t clear.
- I'm not your dog, I don't owe you anything and I'm not at your immediate disposal. I don't know who you think you are, but you're not my boss, and I'm not in any way subordinate to you.
- I've got enough complicated problems in my life without someone sending me a fucking message that even my boss wouldn't dare write like that.
- You just had to be clearer in your messages.
- I’m not even the vectorizer for the images you posted. If you want them to be used in Wikipedia, do it yourself.
- I'm not the slave here.
- If It’s “too easy” to do, then do it and don’t ever bother me again.
- Here, MacOS Weed at first didn't understand me and said it's "done already". I clarified it, said that each "original" file (PNG/JPG/GIF file in this case) is used only by each Wikipedia article I can't edit (Sorry for unclear messaging with MacOS Weed), and urged him to replace them with their vector versions, telling it's so easy to do it.
- And, then, MacOS Weed became unhinged. He vilified me as if I was enslaving him and condescendingly replied to me. He used dehumanizing words like "dog" and "slave" and swear words like "f*****g" against me as if he's superior to me and suggested me to do the job myself if it's so easy for him to do, which I can't, due to my blocked IP address. (Please don't suggest me VRTS or Wikipedia unblock review. They turned out to be failures for me.)
- I was surprised by the way he talked to me. I thought he'd help me and, unexpectedly, he turns out to be opposite. (I'm autistic BTW. I can't tolerate those vulgar messages and unexpected sentimental chaos.)
- He could've replied in simple language without even treating me as a villain. I don't know why he could talk like a barbarian (I'm not personally attacking MacOS Weed), just because my tone is bad while talking or I don't have a clear and understanding messaging, which, in turn, can be gently addressing by him without using questionable messaging. I am sorry for the choas happened due to the conversation with MacOS Weed, and I'm responsible for this, and should MacOS Weed.
- Anyways, whatever it goes, mistakes are bound to happen. We need to learn from them to improve themselves (I think I've became a philosopher XD.). That's my case when I learned that begging help from WikiComms/Wikipedia users to do my job is never really going to help me at all, and created Category:Flags of municipialities of Japan used in Wikipedia articles with vector versions available where WikiComms users can help me and I help them in return.
- I've learned my lesson after all, and MacOS Weed needs to learn his one of not using vulgar and condescending language to users. Therefore, I end my statement now. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 15:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- You can't claim to have "learned your lesson" if you got blocked for 3 days for how you behave on people's talk pages and then after that block is over go and do that exact same thing, with the exact same language, on someone else's talk page. ReneeWrites (talk) 12:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- For the record again, I'm never doing this anymore. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- You can't claim to have "learned your lesson" if you got blocked for 3 days for how you behave on people's talk pages and then after that block is over go and do that exact same thing, with the exact same language, on someone else's talk page. ReneeWrites (talk) 12:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can you provide the diff where they did this? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I removed the offensive comments. Please tell MacOS Weed to not use vulgar language while talking with users, especially newcomers, and apologize to me for that. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps start by removing the offensive comments. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with this, he has also requested and harassed some other users including @ReneeWrites and @SpinnerLaserzthe2nd. Strenatos (talk) 07:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did, but I got blocked for 3 days for that. Don't you know this? Now, I am not requesting anyone to help me. I created Category:Flags of municipialities of Japan used in Wikipedia articles with vector versions available, so that you and many users can help me if you like to. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 09:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- have you seen my comment in the category for it? Strenatos (talk) 10:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did, you said you removed the category info, saying that I don't need to talk about the history of the category. Also, you also said the vulgar replies I talked about had valid reasons. I agree with it, but they could be gently addressed without the use of swear words and vulgar language, right?
- To be correct, you are wrong about the IP matter. My IP was blocked by Materialscientist on 28 October 2023 in the English Wikipedia, that is almost 6 months before I even created my WikiComms account. The Persian and Spanish Wikis would have the similar timelines as of the English Wiki.
- Before you disagree with me, please think calm and understand my situation. It's all my fault harassing people in WikiComms just to have my job done. Now, I repented of that tragedy and created the category to have the job completed with no problems.
- Also, you replaced File:Aizubange Fukushima chapter.JPG with its vector version. So, I appreciate you for this little thing. You also replaced File:Flag of Narusawa Yamanashi.JPG with its vector version. I appreciate it too.
- Now, please tell me what you think me of now. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 11:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- MacOS Weed told you that he did not want to be treated like a dog and that he is not your slave, this was in response to you acting in a rude and entitled manner on his talk page. He was completely in the right, and nothing about how he worded his reply was vulgar or inappropriate, especially not considering the context these replies were written.
- You on the other hand, in response to this, called him a "shameless piece of crap" and then edited that comment to also call him an "ungrateful moron". ReneeWrites (talk) 12:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Come on, User:ReneeWrites. I removed the derogatory comments on MacOS Weed in Category:Flags of municipialities of Japan used in Wikipedia articles with vector versions available. Now, I agree that I harassed MacOS Weed and that was wrong after all. I am responsible for the chaos happened. For the record, I'll not request anyone to do my job anymore, and I'll say it again and again, if you don't get me well, because I created Category:Flags of municipialities of Japan used in Wikipedia articles with vector versions available, so that I don't need to request anyone to help me.
- Now, what do you expect from me? Should I stop harassing everyone and obey the rules or do you want me to leave WikiComms for good? I need an answer. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, I don’t think the original message was intended to be rude, just really, really poorly communicated. I’m not all that surprised that MacOS Weed responded like they did due to the abruptness, though that was also fairly over the top.
- MacOS Weed’s response never denegrated OperationSakura6144, he never called him a dog or swore at him (though swearing was involved). I suspect that both parties have gone off the deep end.
- OperationSakura6144 your category page was incredibly uncivil and uncalled for. FWIW, you’ve removed that text now, but you need to figure out a way of regulating your emotions a little better. I’d suggest to you that if you were a little less abrupt in your initial communications this could have all been avoided. Perhaps it’s your autism that caused this? Next time, try to couch the terms more like a request: you could have said “it’s really easy to make SVGs from these, would you be able to create them?” That becomes a polite request, and not a command. Just a thought.
- The only actionable issue here is the category page you created. Don’t go off on a diatribe about someone in category space. (Do t do this anywhere, but in particular category space!) can we get assurance you won’t do this again? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:10, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Finally, that's what I was waiting. I'll never go out of the line, harrass users, attack anyone, and go crazy and get washed away by my emotions. For the record, I am not gonna request anyone to have a handful of images I got to be replaced with vector files, because I created Category:Flags of municipialities of Japan used in Wikipedia articles with vector versions available for this purpose. If anyone is interested to help me, they would go to the category and help me by replacing the images with their vector versions. I hope this problem gets resolved, or is it? OperationSakura6144 (talk) 13:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I can’t make the final decision on this, but it goes to your credit you apologised and removed the offending material. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I blocked Operation for two weeks. Even though they've apologized for their disrupting behaviour, it's the second time they've been reported here for such behaviour, and that short three day block was meant to be a lesson for them. Please take this time to calm down and, when you come back, don't make the same mistakes again, else you'll get an indefinite block. Bedivere (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I can’t make the final decision on this, but it goes to your credit you apologised and removed the offending material. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 13:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Finally, that's what I was waiting. I'll never go out of the line, harrass users, attack anyone, and go crazy and get washed away by my emotions. For the record, I am not gonna request anyone to have a handful of images I got to be replaced with vector files, because I created Category:Flags of municipialities of Japan used in Wikipedia articles with vector versions available for this purpose. If anyone is interested to help me, they would go to the category and help me by replacing the images with their vector versions. I hope this problem gets resolved, or is it? OperationSakura6144 (talk) 13:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- have you seen my comment in the category for it? Strenatos (talk) 10:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I did, but I got blocked for 3 days for that. Don't you know this? Now, I am not requesting anyone to help me. I created Category:Flags of municipialities of Japan used in Wikipedia articles with vector versions available, so that you and many users can help me if you like to. OperationSakura6144 (talk) 09:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Wasting resources edit
Can someone look into, delete the uploads of and potential even block the user User:Jarrod stanley ? This user has been uploading multi gigabyte, 7 hour videos of blackness and noise. This is extremely wasteful and behavior like this risks that uploads of this size might have to be restricted to a small group of privileged users, if we don't deal with it. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Already here: Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Jarrod stanley. Yann (talk) 14:30, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think a block is needed at this stage, but would support a temporary block if their behavior continues. --SHB2000 (talk) 12:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
ArticleAmazon edit
ArticleAmazon (talk • contribs • block log • filter log) has continued uploading non-free images despite the warning --Ovruni (talk) 16:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Wow! This user should have been blocked a long time ago. See also Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by ArticleAmazon. Yann (talk) 17:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
202.173.124.102 edit
202.173.124.102 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) blocked user OperationSakura6144. ReneeWrites (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Blocked for 3 days. I also blocked OperationSakura6144 for 2 more weeks. Yann (talk) 20:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Adamant1 edit
Adamant1 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information)
Hi, This user has a problematic behavior, repeatedly going for personal attacks ([7], [8]) when actions are contested, notably creating a large number of disruptive deletion requests about FOP in Belgium. I am not the only one thinking that this is a problem. Yann (talk) 19:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have the time to point out specific diffs right now, and it's not like Yann has either, but he has a long history of personally attacking me and trying to get me blocked over essentially nothing. This latest thing is just yet another example of that and just seems to be retaliation on Yann's part because I dared to write a message on his user page asking another administrator how I was continuing something that they seem to be the only one's discussing weeks later, which is my propagative. I have a right ask an administrator about something on their talk page or for evidence of behavior that they are clamming I'm doing. So I don't really see what the issue here is. Otherwise Yann should provide diffs of what he's actually talking about instead of just linking to a patently false comment by someone else that has nothing to do with me. I certainly don't see how the two comments he linked to are at all personal attacks or "problematic behavior" like he's claiming. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- You are being rather aggressive though. Yann can be abrupt at times, but he has always been careful to characterise actions and not the person. For instance, he said one if your DRs was a nonsense, but not that you are a nonsense. You took offence at this, but despite the abruptness of the tone it was an opinion that your DR had no substance. It is quite all right to challenge the actions of another party, personally I would not have ysed thr word “nonsense” as it is a bit inflammatory, but at the end of the day that is a fair opinion and he did explain why he thought this was the case. You reacted emotionally, but instead you could have just explained why you believe Yann to be wrong. I do t think you are doing yourself any favours here. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 07:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'd only like to add some more confirmation to that Yann is not the only one thinking that is a problem. Not considering other issues, Adamant1 frequently went for personal attacks always with impunity and I don't have all of them noted but they include this and this (there's a lot more but I don't have them in mind right now). On the other hand, I don't know of a WMC policy against personal attacks and incivility. This is the sort of interaction behavior that keeps people away from contributing to Wikimedia (I don't think it's major reason for why there's few contributors on WMC in specific but it is an issue). Prototyperspective (talk) 12:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I’m confused - there are two diffs to what are supposedly personal attacks, but I must be odd if something. How are they personal attacks? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 07:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Comment I don't know for all the RfD's in question, but this one is definitely disruptive. The shown information boards are obviously in public places and Belgum has introduced full commercial FoP some years ago. So yes, if Adamant1 is so upset about different opinion of some admins on these images that he needs to attack these people ad personam, a sanction may be in place. Regards --A.Savin 23:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, I wasn't upset that "different opinion of some admins" on the images. I had an issue with Yann closing the DRs out of process and without discussion. But I then dropped it after we discussed it on their talk page. Their the one who then continued to bring it up weeks later. Nowhere have I attacked anyone in relation to it either. Except to ask how I'm continuing something that I haven't even discussed or had anything to do with in weeks. That's not a personal attack though. Otherwise be my guest and provide some actual evidence.
- BTW, I'll also point out that in the DR you linked to as supposedly disruptive I spent plenty of time researching it before hand, wrote multiple comments saying why I think they aren't public places based on the evidence, and the closing comment that "the signs are placed in public accessible places" is just patently false. Plus it's not the standard for FOP in Belgium anyway. That's fine, but it's not on me if the closing administrator decided to ignore the evidence. Again though, I dropped it and moved on while they and Yann pettily continued it days and weeks later. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Comment As usually, Adamant1 doesn't see what the issue is, and is willing to put up walls of text to explain why he's not the problem but everyone else is.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- How about you tell me what the issue is then instead of just going off about how many lines I wrote like there's a limit or you've never written a long message before? I'm more then willing to modify my behavior or do something differently next time if someone points out an actual problem with how I acted. r/explainlikeimfive lol. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Five year olds are known for yelling or asking why until their parents give in or say "because I said so". If you want to learn, try listening a little, instead of having the most words in any conversation you're a part of.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but five year olds ask why out of genuinely curiosity and as part of the normal learning process. Apparently administrators are above reproach for their actions and people don't need to provide evidence of anything in an ANU complaint though. So my bad for asking. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Five year olds also ask "why" because they want to provoke a response, even when they don't care about an answer. They also don't go "So my bad for asking"; that's teenagers, and they're willfully being abrasive then. Teenagers also go lol, not when they're trying to honestly figure out what's happening, but when they don't care what the other person has to say.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- This analogy is getting a bit ridiculous and I think you have both stretched it to breaking point. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 07:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Five year olds also ask "why" because they want to provoke a response, even when they don't care about an answer. They also don't go "So my bad for asking"; that's teenagers, and they're willfully being abrasive then. Teenagers also go lol, not when they're trying to honestly figure out what's happening, but when they don't care what the other person has to say.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, but five year olds ask why out of genuinely curiosity and as part of the normal learning process. Apparently administrators are above reproach for their actions and people don't need to provide evidence of anything in an ANU complaint though. So my bad for asking. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Stop using lol; it's rude to laugh at people. Use the preview button; it's hard to have a conversation when every time you hit submit, the person has changed their post and you have to go back and readd your comment. There is a limit; people get annoyed when one person writes long posts after everything that anyone else says. Say what you need to stay and stop posting. Don't make it personal; as I pointed out, you took a response by Yann that was dismissive to your DR as an excuse to attack him.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Prosfilaes Weren't you the one telling me to assume good faith recently in another discussion? I ask question because I'm genuinely curious. If an administrator who I've had chronic problems with closes a couple of my DRs out of process and with no discussion, I'd like to know why so it can be avoided in the future. That's all. You seem to stuck between criticizing me about how I'm unwilling to accept feedback on the one hand, but being just as critical about me asking people questions so I can improve how I do things in the future on the other though. And to the degree that I've made it personal, that's only because Yann did and then refused to stop when I asked him to. So I thought it was something he'd be cool with. I'm not here to be personally attacked week after week by the same person in a way that they don't treat anyone else while I act like it's nothing about them or our relationship in return. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Five year olds are known for yelling or asking why until their parents give in or say "because I said so". If you want to learn, try listening a little, instead of having the most words in any conversation you're a part of.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note, for example, [9] from that DR where he wrote "if you had of looked into it before commenting you would have noticed that Natuurpunt is a non-profit environmental organization that maintains private nature reservations and the standard for FOP in Belgium only applies to "locations that are permanently accessible to the public."" None of this information was provided in the DR already, and the proposer of deletion should have noted if they knew about it. But he starts the sentence with the aggressive "if you had of looked into it before commenting" instead of just providing the information.
- Or, say, [10] where Yann talks about the DR and Adamant1 responds with a completely personal attack. Yann could have been nicer in his comment, but it was about the DR and not Adamant1.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'll agree that I probably could have wrote a more detailed explanation for the first example. It's always a balance between being brief in DRs versus writing a bunch of extra details that no one will read and easily be found by reading the infobox in the category though. I tend to assume that people will at least do the basic of looking at other images in the category before commenting and the infobox for it clearly says Natuurpunt is an "organization for nature and landscape protection in Flanders." I'll also note that the person I was responded to thought the images were taken in the Netherlands, not Belgium. So they clearly didn't look into it beforehand. And they should have. You'd have to agree that as the nominator I shouldn't have to tell people or otherwise provide obvious, easily findable details like what country we're talking about. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, I don't have to agree that you should force people to dig around to find the basic information about a DR, like what the relevant law is. You want us to feed you all the details about this ANU, but heaven forbid you mention relevant details about what nation the photos are in and how the relevant FoP impacts it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Prosfilaes: No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Let alone dig around to find information. I'm certainly not. In this case all the person I was responding to had to do was look at the top of the DR since I added Category:Belgian FOP cases/pending to it before they commented. Apparently expecting someone to simply look at the deletion request before they comment on it is to high of a bar for people like you and forcing them to do something though lol. Regardless, your boxing ghost because the information was included when I added the maintenance category even if I didn't explicitly spell it out for people. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, I don't have to agree that you should force people to dig around to find the basic information about a DR, like what the relevant law is. You want us to feed you all the details about this ANU, but heaven forbid you mention relevant details about what nation the photos are in and how the relevant FoP impacts it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'll agree that I probably could have wrote a more detailed explanation for the first example. It's always a balance between being brief in DRs versus writing a bunch of extra details that no one will read and easily be found by reading the infobox in the category though. I tend to assume that people will at least do the basic of looking at other images in the category before commenting and the infobox for it clearly says Natuurpunt is an "organization for nature and landscape protection in Flanders." I'll also note that the person I was responded to thought the images were taken in the Netherlands, not Belgium. So they clearly didn't look into it beforehand. And they should have. You'd have to agree that as the nominator I shouldn't have to tell people or otherwise provide obvious, easily findable details like what country we're talking about. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- From what I can see, User:Adamant1 is a generally valuable contributor, but a bit abrasive and rather combative. I certainly would oppose him for adminship, but that is presumably not what we are discussing here.
- I seriously doubt there is anything here worth a block, but if someone feels otherwise I'd like to see some specific diffs. Or is there some other specific action that Yann or someone else here is requesting?
- Jmabel ! talk 01:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I share similar sentiments. --SHB2000 (talk) 03:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Adamant1 should at least get a final formal warning that this kind of behavior is not OK on Commons. See messages above by A.Savin and Prosfilaes. Yann (talk) 11:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Or conversely you could just lay off the harrassing personal comments and sparious ANU complaints like I've asked you to multiple times now already. Not to that I acted 100% perfectly here, but I can guranteed there wouldn't have been an issue if you had of just dropped it and stopped making things personal after both me and Chris.sherlock2 told you your comments weren't productive. You seem to have the attitude that your beyond reproach and have no role in repeatedlhy instigating things with me for no reason what-so-ever though.
- Adamant1 should at least get a final formal warning that this kind of behavior is not OK on Commons. See messages above by A.Savin and Prosfilaes. Yann (talk) 11:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I share similar sentiments. --SHB2000 (talk) 03:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine being civil, but its a two way street and I'm not here to just be bullied by an adminstrator who can't stand people disagreeing with or questioning them. Sorry. Again, that's not to say I couldn't have acted better, but its been an endless struggle dealing with you and you just seem to have a smug attitude every time I've asked you a question about your actions or asked you to lay off it. So I don't know what you expect. Your the only person I've had any serious chronic issues with on here though, and that's not for nothing. Otherwise I'd probably be fine at this point. --Adamant1 (talk) 13:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yann, you could perhaps not characterise his DRs as “nonsense”. I defend your right to do so, but if you want to reduce conflict you could use less inflammatory language. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 07:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, As I told Adamant1 on my talk page, this is a language issue. The French translation doesn't seem to have the same tone as the English word. So I apologize for this word. Yann (talk) 08:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just saw this. I think this was part of the reason why the DR got so out of hand. I respect your apology as I cannot speak more than one language :-) hell, I have amazing respect for anyone who can speak more than their native tongue! - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, As I told Adamant1 on my talk page, this is a language issue. The French translation doesn't seem to have the same tone as the English word. So I apologize for this word. Yann (talk) 08:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like Adamant1 should tone things down a little, they are a valuable contributor, but often too argumentative for their own good. I am in agreement with Jmabel here. Abzeronow (talk) 16:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, I also agree with the "often too argumentative for their own good." We tend to do less "tone policing" than some other WMF wikis, but Adamant1, I have to say: when others write to you in the same tone you so often use, you often seem to feel insulted and attacked. Why would you expect them to feel differently when you write that way?
- Unless there is either (1) a much more solid case here than I've seen or (2) are possibilities of very mild sanctions that I can't think of, I'd oppose disciplinary action against Adamant1 at this time (in particular, I haven't seen him use this tone with newbies, his style seems to be more right-up-to-the-line than over-the-line, and I'm pretty sure the complaining parties here can handle it), but I'd also appreciate it if Adamant1 tried to be more collegial and less combative. Adamant1: at some point, even if you are not breaking any actual rules and even if you are doing good work, if it gets to where you are repeatedly discouraging other contributors or making their time here unpleasant, you become a net liability to the project. I assume that is not something you wish to be. - Jmabel ! talk 18:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah but then I can be absolutely dragged and insulted by multiple users for weeks or months on end and the same people complaining here won't even bat an eye about it for some reason. Anyway, I'm not going relitigate every minor disagrement I've had on here, but in this particular instance Yann instigated things by making unasked for personal comments about me in a couple of conversations. Me and another user asked him to lay off and said they weren't productive, but he decided to continue with it. So I left the message on his talk page and the village pump.
- I feel like Adamant1 should tone things down a little, they are a valuable contributor, but often too argumentative for their own good. I am in agreement with Jmabel here. Abzeronow (talk) 16:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yann is 100% the one who started this, continued it weeks later by not just dropping the attitude when multiple people asked him to, and is cry bullying with this ANU complaint. Its not even that I necessarily feel attacked either. Its just that I don't think endlessly making personal comments about someone and obstructing their edits in order to goad them into a confrontation like Yann has an established history of doing with me is productive. Nor am I go just sit here with a big fat grin on my face while interacting with an admin who refuses to acknowledge their side of an issue or respect my request that they stop trying to make things personal and stir up drama. Sorry. This is only a thing because Yann refuses to lay off it. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- What personal comments are you referring to? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yann is 100% the one who started this, continued it weeks later by not just dropping the attitude when multiple people asked him to, and is cry bullying with this ANU complaint. Its not even that I necessarily feel attacked either. Its just that I don't think endlessly making personal comments about someone and obstructing their edits in order to goad them into a confrontation like Yann has an established history of doing with me is productive. Nor am I go just sit here with a big fat grin on my face while interacting with an admin who refuses to acknowledge their side of an issue or respect my request that they stop trying to make things personal and stir up drama. Sorry. This is only a thing because Yann refuses to lay off it. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support whatever is suggested, per Prosfilaes, and anyone who's here to 'make the internet not suck' (as used to be our goal). I pay little attention to Adamant1 as the only way to get through the day, but I almost never see them do anything positive and their overall negative effect is just too large. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
What admin action is needed here? edit
I’m a little confused. Clearly there is a personality conflict and some legitimate complaints of abrasive behaviour. But as I paraphrase what another contributor said the other day, people don’t necessarily need to be friends with one another here. What specific actions are admins meant to be taking? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 07:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, As per his responses above, notably [11], clearly Adamant1 doesn't understand the problem, and continues to blame me and others for their behavior. And we don't need people with "abrasive" behavior on Commons. Now I don't want Adamant1 to leave, but I want a change of behavior. If a report on ANU is not sufficient to get this change, something stronger is needed. Yann (talk) 08:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- It was pretty abrasive to call his DR “nonsense”, though I understand why you said it. Regardless, what particular sanction are you looking for? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I just saw that this was a mistranslation issue. - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- As I said above, a final formal warning that this behavior is not acceptable, and that absence of change would lead to a block. Yann (talk) 08:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Yann: I see you apologized for the "nonsense" comment above. I appreciate that. My guess is that a lot of this comes down to a language issue and cultural differences. I certainly meant no harm in how I responded to Romaine on your talk page. I was genuinely carious what behavior they were claiming I was continuing since I hadn't been involved in anything to do with the topic for weeks and I think it's important to back up such accusations with diffs. Especially when they are coming from an administrator. Otherwise we just risk wasting everyone's time later down the line on spurious ANU complaints like this one. In no way did I mean it to be "abrasive" though. I was simply responding to a comment that I found rather odd considering that I had moved on to other things weeks ago.
- It was pretty abrasive to call his DR “nonsense”, though I understand why you said it. Regardless, what particular sanction are you looking for? - Chris.sherlock2 (talk) 08:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- In no way is that to blame you or anyone else for anything. It's just to say that it wasn't my intent to be abrasive. You seem to have a serious issue with assuming good faith when interacting with me though. I've said several times now that I could have acted better and been clearer about things in the deletion requests. So why not accept it and move on? I'm more then willing to accept the apology and bury the hatchet going forward if your willing to do the same on your end. I've said several times now that I don't think this whole thing with you is productive and that I'd like to see it resolved. Your disingenuous attitude and lack of good faith towards me whenever we interact is keeping it from happening though. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
I stand by what Abzeronow and I both said above: there is a problem here, but it is a minor one, and it doesn't call for sanctions. I'd appreciate if both sides, but especially Adamant1, would just turn down the thermostat. - Jmabel ! talk 14:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- +1. I don't think any admin action is needed here for the time being. --SHB2000 (talk) 02:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
copyright violation edit
varseoon.ir is a normal website. it is not under creative commons license nor file published in this website belong to varseoon.ir / website logo and versoon.ir bottom of files is copyright violation (not a webste own work) please delete all these files and add varesoon.ir in spam links / and using template:PD-Iran is covering this copyright violation [[User:Modern Sciences|MSes]] (talk) 02:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- As Iran has a short copyright term (at least compared to many other countries), many of these pictures may be in the public domain due to age. If you find recent images, please nominate them for deletion. Thanks, Yann (talk) 13:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yann, is right, but {{PD-Iran}} requires publication date for photographic or cinematographic works, which is often missing. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
User:XXAshton0913Xx edit
User:XXAshton0913Xx uploads images out of project scope and is most likely a "reincarnation" of User:AshtonJDE who was recently blocked for the same reason (and basically the same pictures). GeorgR (de) (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Blocked, all files deleted. Yann (talk) 20:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Inappropriate behaviour despite warning edit
Hello,
@Cyanmax: was warned by @Jmabel: in November 2023 for, among other reasons, making a nasty remark about Nepal on a completely unrelated page. Now he is back on the same page, this time with a remark about air pollution in the same country. Huñvreüs (talk) 15:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think some sort of action is in order; I'm going to leave it to someone other than me to decide what. - Jmabel ! talk 16:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- User notified. Abzeronow (talk) 18:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Concerning this, gth can apparently mean either good to hear or go to Hell. Well, I learned something today. Huñvreüs (talk) 20:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- It can also mean "good to hear". That's one way for plausible deniability i guess? Trade (talk) 20:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are u gonna block my account for providing a reliable source and writing GLAD TO HELP? Wow. That's hilarious and hysterical. I didn't know that providing a reliable source and writing GLAD TO HELP is a crime. Anyway, I don't care. Cyanmax (talk) 02:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Please calm down and remain cool. I understand your frustration, but getting heated isn't going to resolve things. --SHB2000 (talk) 02:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are u gonna block my account for providing a reliable source and writing GLAD TO HELP? Wow. That's hilarious and hysterical. I didn't know that providing a reliable source and writing GLAD TO HELP is a crime. Anyway, I don't care. Cyanmax (talk) 02:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Given the context, my natural instinct is to believe they meant "Go to hell", but also AGF... --SHB2000 (talk) 02:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- AGF is certainly important and, for example, would lead a benevolent person to believe that GFY means Good for you. The question being where the limit stands between AGF and naivety. Huñvreüs (talk) 06:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- The question being where the limit stands between rational thinking and paranoia. We all know that false accusations of hysterical and paranoid people led to the Catholic inquisition and political repression in the Soviet Union. There's nothing criminal with saying "Russia is freezing" or "India is the most polluted country". Facts are facts. Trying to block someone's account for providing a source or writing 3 letters is even more hilarious. Cyanmax (talk) 08:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- AGF is certainly important and, for example, would lead a benevolent person to believe that GFY means Good for you. The question being where the limit stands between AGF and naivety. Huñvreüs (talk) 06:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- It can also mean "good to hear". That's one way for plausible deniability i guess? Trade (talk) 20:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Keeps uploading out of scope photos--Trade (talk) 18:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Blocked for a week, all files deleted. Yann (talk) 18:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Uregapedia edit
Uregapedia (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) uploads small size photos, mostly politicians, as own work but gives no META. Most likely screen captures of copyrighted websites. Pierre cb (talk) 23:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Files deleted. If they return to uploading these dubious files, they will get a block. Bedivere (talk) 23:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Blocked one month. Bedivere (talk) 23:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Copyvio socks edit
These two accounts are socks of each other (enwiki CU confirmed, see en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Aviation_fan_guy):
- 737-200fan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
- Aviation fan guy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
with Aviation fan guy being the older of the two. Here on Commons, both are also engaging in the same behaviors as each other. User:Yann has blocked 737-200fan for a week for copyvio. So I assume Afg be blocked also. Should Afg e blocked for the same length? Or should one be indef'ed (and if so, which one)? Or should both be indef'ed (copyvio and other disruption, as well as the sock problem)? DMacks (talk) 04:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done I blocked AFG indef. for socking. The master dates from March 30. Yann (talk) 08:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Shams948 edit
Shams948 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) continues with his disruptive behavior regarding the opening & renaming proper categories, despite friendly advises and warnings. The issue is summarized on his talk page:
- In March 2022, I asked him not to change the names of categories. He obeyed only for a few months and then continued as before.
- In December 2023, I repeated the request that he not play with categories, elaborated on the individual problems he was doing, and friendly offered my help in further categorization. His response shows that he considers the Commons a battleground as he threatens that the edits must be returned to his desired state, and he even indulges in crazy conspiracy theories about being stalked by the Ministry of Intelligence (Persian text).
- A few days ago, the same story again: he opens meaningless categories, changes correct category names to wrong ones, adds unnecessary parent categories, mixes cities, villages and counties, etc. Everything as before.
It is obvious that the user is beyond repair and will continue to do damage regardless of warnings. IMHO, deserves either a penalty or at least an admin warning. --Orijentolog (talk) 05:41, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Orijentolog: Please remember to notify the user in question next time. I've done it for you this specific instance. --SHB2000 (talk) 06:00, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- با عرض سلام و ارادت؛ اینجانب فقط در حوزه سرزمینی خود فعالیت مینمایم و قصد تخریب یا خرابکاری ندارم. این صفحات حوزه سرزمینی بنده است و مایل به ارتقاء و تقویت آن هستم. اما به نظر میرسد از داخل ایران برخی اماکن دولتی مایل به درز اطلاعات به جهان نیستند و در این باره کارشکنی میکنند مانند این مدیر عزیز. Orijentolog
- طرف ما در ایران، مدیران ویکیها نیستند. طرف ما نخست جمهوری اسلامی، سپس دولت، و بعد از آنها مدیران فرهنگستان زبان ایران، و بعد وزارت اطلاعات و بعد سپاه پاسداران که همه میخواهند از درز اطلاعات واقع به جهان ممانعت به عمل آورند. با سپاس از همه دوستان ضد سانسور. Shams948 (talk) 09:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Again w:Wikipedia:Conspiracy theory accusations that I'm "an agent of government" which is allegedly "trying to censor something". --Orijentolog (talk) 10:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- طرف ما در ایران، مدیران ویکیها نیستند. طرف ما نخست جمهوری اسلامی، سپس دولت، و بعد از آنها مدیران فرهنگستان زبان ایران، و بعد وزارت اطلاعات و بعد سپاه پاسداران که همه میخواهند از درز اطلاعات واقع به جهان ممانعت به عمل آورند. با سپاس از همه دوستان ضد سانسور. Shams948 (talk) 09:46, 28 April 2024 (UTC)