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Categories and subcategories
editHello @CuriousGolden: please, when you upload your pictures: Is it in the correct subcategory? In that case DO NOT put it in the higher category, too. Is it in the cat of the city? Please, do not put it in the category Rayon, too. (Maybe another special cat would be possible. For instance the type of structure.) Thank you for following Tozina (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Tozina: Hi. Thank you for clarifying, I've had problems with realizing what categories to include for a while. Sorry that I've created a mess for you. CuriousGolden (talk) 18:55, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
Update map
editHi, can you update this map with Karabakh? File:Turkic Language map (without descriptions).svg --Jelican9 (talk) 06:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Request
editHi there. Can you edit create and upload maps of new Economic Regions of Azerbaijan. Link of info about new economic regions (in azerbaijani). I can translate if u wont understand. Wish u can do it :) Thanks -Dr.Wiki54 (talk) 10:52, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Dr.Wiki54: Hello! Sorry for the late response. I've completed 2 maps (one with labels and one without) for the new economic division. You can find them here and here. Don't hesitate to use it on Wikipedia. I'll try to update and upload individual coloured maps of each of the regions pretty soon as well. Cheers. CuriousGolden (talk) 16:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- I am so thanksfull to you! Waiting for new individual maps :):):):) - Dr.Wiki54 (talk) 17:56, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Dr.Wiki54: I've completed the individual maps as well. You can find them on my user page here. Cheers! CuriousGolden (talk) 22:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Hope a good day for u!😊 - Dr.Wiki54 (talk) 10:32, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Dr.Wiki54: I've completed the individual maps as well. You can find them on my user page here. Cheers! CuriousGolden (talk) 22:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- I am so thanksfull to you! Waiting for new individual maps :):):):) - Dr.Wiki54 (talk) 17:56, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Idioma Azerbaijani
editHi. Sorry, this user is corrupting this map.--5.134.160.251 11:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- @5.134.160.251: I've reverted the changes. Thanks for letting me know. CuriousGolden (talk) 11:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Historical maps of Azerbaijan
editHi. Please look here. Apparently, this user has a personal problem with the Azerbaijanis and does not hesitate to do anything to damage the historical or current maps of Azerbaijan. Please do not ignore this person. Thank you.--37.137.1.95 17:56, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Were you not banned on Wiki?
editYou're back here? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:50, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, good to see you again :) I'm banned only on the English Wikipedia for suckpuppeting (which I regret), I still continue my work on other projects, like here in Commons. CuriousGolden (talk) 12:53, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Help
editSalam. Bu fayl Bozqurd simvolunu təhqir etmək üçün yaradılıb. Həm də bu istifadəçinin fəaliyyətinə nəzər salsanız, ümumiyyətlə türklərlə şəxsi problemi olduğunu görəcəksiniz. Zəhmət olmasa bu faylı silmək və bu istifadəçini qeyri -müəyyən müddətə bağlamaq istəyi barədə idarəçilərə məlumat verin.2.190.54.220 23:12, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Idioma azerí.png
editSorry, a user reverted this image to a poor quality version.94.24.95.244 13:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Prezidentin saytından olan fotolar
editSalam. president.az saytından şəkilləri yükləyəndə mənbə kimi sırf şəkillərin öz səhifəsini göstərin, sadəcə president.az səhifəsini yox. Göstərilən mənbədə həmin şəkillər olmayanda şəkillər silinə bilər. --Interfase (talk) 17:05, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
- Salam, bildim. Çox sağolun. CuriousGolden (talk) 20:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Quality Image Promotions
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Where is the Martuni province category in the oak image
editI don't see it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:57, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Tnrji has Category:Skhtorashen, which in itself is a subcategory of Category:Municipalities in Martuni (province) and that is a subcategory of Category:Martuni (province). So, Tnjri is already within "Martuni (province)"'s subcategories. Golden (talk) 11:13, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:30, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Drmbon, Nagorno-Karabakh
editIt's de facto in Artsakh so should use the name used by the actual residents - Drmbon. Why are you imposing Azeri names (spare me de jure stuff). Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:38, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- Where did you get the "it's de facto Artsakh, so it should use its name"? Just because you moved the page on enwiki without any discussion, even though there was already an extensive discussion about it previously that had ended in "No Consensus", doesn't mean it needs to follow on Commons. All villages de jure in Azerbaijan (can't spare the most important thing in the whole conflict just because you don't like it) use Azerbaijani names on Commons for consistency. — Golden call me maybe? 14:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- All populated areas in Artsakh that are still under the de facto control of the government of Artsakh now have Anglicized names. Or are on their way to getting them. This is the Wiki consensus. Commons will follow. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:55, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- And where exactly did you achieve this consensus? You've just been moving all names, common name or not, into Armenian names without any discussion. If you achieve a consensus with the community on enwiki for this change, then sure, Commons might follow. But right now you haven't even opened a discussion about these changes. — Golden call me maybe? 14:58, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- I know an easy way to achieve consensus - just create a load of socks. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- That's one way to do it, sure.(sarcasm) Do inform me if you achieve that consensus, with whatever way you try. — Golden call me maybe? 15:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- I know an easy way to achieve consensus - just create a load of socks. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- And where exactly did you achieve this consensus? You've just been moving all names, common name or not, into Armenian names without any discussion. If you achieve a consensus with the community on enwiki for this change, then sure, Commons might follow. But right now you haven't even opened a discussion about these changes. — Golden call me maybe? 14:58, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- All populated areas in Artsakh that are still under the de facto control of the government of Artsakh now have Anglicized names. Or are on their way to getting them. This is the Wiki consensus. Commons will follow. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:55, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
@Laurel Lodged: After rechecking the Commons policy, I've learned that the reason for your move being valid/discussed or not is irrelevant. So you can move Heyvali category back to Drmbon. Do remember though that disambiguating all of the villages with ",Nagorno-Karabakh" is unnecessary if no such village exists with that name anywhere else in the world (i.e. just "Drmbon" would be fine). — Golden call me maybe? 21:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Are you active on Azerbaijani Wikipedia
editIf so, could you nominate https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eablon:%C4%B0stifad%C9%99%C3%A7i_Anti_LGBT for deletion? It’s clearly just meant to spread hate, but I don’t speak Azerbaijani at all. Dronebogus (talk) 15:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Dronebogus - I'm not very active on it, but I do edit Azerbaijani Wikipedia occasionally. I would nominate the userbox for deletion but half of the azwiki users who use it are admins, so I imagine that it'd likely not be deleted. — Golden call me maybe? 15:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
NTM
editDear Golden, is there any valid reason for this edit? I'm not saying that I'm 100% right or you're 100% wrong, but as far as I remember from searching scholarly articles about that "national" organization:
- it's actually a one-man show, led from the Netherlands
- it has "handful" or "dozens" of followers
- their leader was paid by Armenia to hold anti-Azerbaijani conferences and giving anti-Azerbaijani statements for media
Therefore I believe that removed category should stay. To treat that organization as something serious, as Scottish separatism or even Lega Nord, is out of question. --Orijentolog (talk) 17:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, I've already opened a discussion about this on Category talk:National Talysh Movement#Anti-Azerbaijanism. — Golden call me maybe? 17:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Notification about possible deletion
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Yours sincerely, Dronebogus (talk) 03:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Qara Qoyunlu
editQara Qoyunlularin əhatə ettiyi erazileri gösteren bir xerite ceksez möhteşem olardi Wikipediyadaki coxda gözel deyil. Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
File:Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.png
editCan you update Lachin Corridor? Also, you create very good maps! S.G ReDark (talk) 00:22, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Persian in Azerbaijan and Dagestan
editHi. I reverted your revert to File:Persian Language Location Map.svg. That dot in Azerbaijan must be Tat. Presumably the same reason that Persian is shown as an official language of Dagestan in File:Persian speaking world.svg. I know it looks a bit weird, but on WP-en at least we count Tat as a variety of Persian. Kwamikagami (talk) 03:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: Hello. I know it was Tat, but Azerbaijan no longer has any settlements that speak Tat. They have been assimilated to insignificance. You can read more about it on enwiki: Tat people. According to the article, "The Tat portion of the population of Azerbaijan has shrunk to insignificance, facing assimilation, either through misrepresentation, data manipulation, or simple assimilation."
- PS: Even if we were to demonstrate historical Tat presence, the location of that blob would still be entirely incorrect because the Tats were in eastern and north-eastern Azerbaijan, not central. — Golden call me maybe? 07:30, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll revert myself. Thanks! Kwamikagami (talk) 16:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- No problem! — Golden call me maybe? 19:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. Regarding your edit summaries of "unsourced assumption", the one who is responsible for sourcing is the uploader or the one who claims that the map is accurate. 'Own work' files like this are more like a painting than a map. If you insist that these maps are accurate, provide sources for them first. Regards, HeminKurdistan (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HeminKurdistan: That map isn't completely unsourced, it has cited a CIA source (though not perfect for depiction on the map). Questioning the map's reliability is one thing but straight up calling it "inaccurate" based on your own assumption is another. You're free to add a disputed tag to the maps, but don't call them inaccurate unless you have a source/proof that says so. — Golden call me maybe? 13:10, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- The CIA map is this (for your information, CIA acknowledges that the map is not authoritative) and at first glance everyone can realize that how much they are different. So that map is completely unsourced. And the duty to prove that a map has a source lies with the uploader, this is the project standard. The assumption is made by the uploader, not the one who tags a file without a source as inaccurate. HeminKurdistan (talk) 13:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- The absence of a source does not automatically make a file inaccurate. It may make it questionable, which is what the "disputed" tag is for. Your category would've been appropriate if it was named "Unsourced maps of ethnic groups in Iran", not "Inaccurate". — Golden call me maybe? 13:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- The CIA map is this (for your information, CIA acknowledges that the map is not authoritative) and at first glance everyone can realize that how much they are different. So that map is completely unsourced. And the duty to prove that a map has a source lies with the uploader, this is the project standard. The assumption is made by the uploader, not the one who tags a file without a source as inaccurate. HeminKurdistan (talk) 13:21, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HeminKurdistan: That map isn't completely unsourced, it has cited a CIA source (though not perfect for depiction on the map). Questioning the map's reliability is one thing but straight up calling it "inaccurate" based on your own assumption is another. You're free to add a disputed tag to the maps, but don't call them inaccurate unless you have a source/proof that says so. — Golden call me maybe? 13:10, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. Regarding your edit summaries of "unsourced assumption", the one who is responsible for sourcing is the uploader or the one who claims that the map is accurate. 'Own work' files like this are more like a painting than a map. If you insist that these maps are accurate, provide sources for them first. Regards, HeminKurdistan (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- No problem! — Golden call me maybe? 19:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll revert myself. Thanks! Kwamikagami (talk) 16:48, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Drawing a map
editAre you interested in drawing this map (from this source: Robert Rossow, Jr., 'The Battle of Azerbaijan, 1946', Middle East Journal, Vol. 10, No. 1 (Winter, 1956), page 33.)? I think it is historically important especially because it differs from File:Republic of mahabad and iranian azerbaijan 1945 1946.png. HeminKurdistan (talk) 13:23, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- @HeminKurdistan: Sure, I'll do it when I get the time. — Golden call me maybe? 15:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. HeminKurdistan (talk) 15:41, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Controversial image
editHello. Are such images allowed to remain on Wikipedia? Apart from the offensiveness of such images that can make the Wikipedia atmosphere tense, are such images scientific? Or are they informative and helpful to Wikipedia or not? 37.137.8.181 14:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not too familiar with Commons policies regarding this unfortunately. Commons:Help desk might be more useful. — Golden call me maybe? 15:00, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Naming
editFine, just delete it, no problem. :) Your argument was "check the Google" and its search actually gives ten times more results for Khoda Afarin Dam than Khudafarin Dam. And virtually all results for the later are from Azerbaijani media. FYI, Khoda Afarin Dam is common name in English language for many decades (from early 70s). Native names, either in Azerbaijan or Iran, are not much relevant. For example, just several hours ago I moved an Iranian monument called Naserolhagh to Nasir al-Haqq. I know Naser is more Persian, but that's also irrelevant since there are common English names. I also opened Shatt al-Arab in Iran despite the fact they call it Arvand Rud. Again doesn't matter, because titles are English. I hope you understand. --Orijentolog (talk) 14:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Orijentolog: I did a Wikipedia SET check on the results for Khudafarin bridges before I did the move. I'll make sure to include the results in category talk pages next time to avoid cases like this. The search results clearly prove "Khudafarin" as the common English name for the bridges and the reservoir (it appears only the dam has "Khoda Afarin" as the common English name). Here are the results for the reservoir for your convenience:
- All-Google Search:
- "Khudafarin" about 11,200 results
- "Khoda Afarin" about 1,220 results
- Google Advanced Book Search:
- "Khudafarin" 197 results
- "Khoda Afarin" 4 results
- Google Scholar:
- "Khudafarin" 7 results
- "Khoda Afarin" 28 results
- Google News:
- "Khudafarin" 118 results
- "Khoda Afarin" 4 results
- Results for bridges:
- All-Google Search:
- "Khudafarin" about 40,500 results
- "Khoda Afarin" about 3,070 results
- Google Advanced Book Search:
- "Khudafarin" 269 results
- "Khoda Afarin" 219 results
- Google Scholar:
- "Khudafarin" 21 results
- "Khoda Afarin" 29 results
- Google News:
- "Khudafarin" 1,430 results
- "Khoda Afarin" 6 results
- With the exception of Google Scholar, every Google Search has significantly more results for "Khudafarin" than "Khuda Afarin". Based on this, I am asking you to move back the reservoir and bridge categories and files to the "Khudafarin" title. — Golden call me maybe? 15:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Considering bridges in English scholarly literature, in the 20th century "Khuda Afarin" was also common, but "Khoda Afarin" is found more often. It is sometimes written as "Khoda-Afarin" or "Khodaafarin", and you completely excluded the later from your search. The form "Khudafarin" was rare, it started to appear more often since the 90s. Without mentioning bridges, dam or reservoir, Google Advanced Book Search gives Khoda Afarin (586), Khudafarin (262), Khodaafarin (226), Khodafarin (217), Khuda Afarin (89) and Khudaafarin (2). Therefore, forms with "u" and one "a" are indeed more rare. Dam and reservoir should have the same title, and it's clear which form is more often in professional books and Google Scholar. Beside, you give 4 results for "Khuda Afarin Reservoir" but Google Books actually gives 197 results for "Khoda Afarin Reservoir." General Google results are not relevant, as I said virtually all is Azerbaijani English-language media and related to recent conflict. --Orijentolog (talk) 16:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Orijentolog: If we're listing every possible spelling, we can also include "Khudaferin", but we're not because of the fact that none of the spellings you provided yield more results than "Khudafarin" or "Khoda Afarin". We use contemporary common names, not ancient ones, so the fact that "Khudafarin" became more popular after the 1990s has no bearing on the conclusion that it is indeed more common.
- Why would you search without mentioning the bridges, dam, or reservoir? Given that there is a county in Iran with the same name (with tens of villages in it), you will naturally obtain more results for Khoda Afarin this way. The misspelling "Khuda Afarin" for the Google Books result was my fault; I apologise. It returns 196 results, which is still fewer than "Khudafarin".
- Do you have a valid argument backed by a Commons or Wikipedia policy to support your statements such as "General Google results are not relevant" (when it's the most common method used to identify common names in en.wiki per its own policies) or "Dam and reservoir should have the same title"? Or is it entirely a matter of personal preference? — Golden call me maybe? 17:00, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Khoda Afarin, Khoda-Afarin and Khodaafarin are basically the same form, all with "o" and two "a", more common than your proposal (along with its variants). You won't find much results for Khudaferin or other minor variants. Google Books gives fine scholarly books for Khoda Afarin, and for Khudafarin it gives many unprofessional publications. Usage in such works doesn't mean that it became more common, or that other terms are ancient or obsolete. Google Scholar give more results for Khoda Afarin simply because scholars use terms from scholarly works.
- For me, it's quite logical that dam and reservoir have the same name, considering all (deeper) relevant publication mention both. I can not understand how can you think that thousand Azerbaijani media articles can be stronger than (even) ten research articles which use the same name from the early 1970s.
- And speaking honestly, sometimes here on Commons I do ignore common names. Today's example: Persian Wikipedia have article called Amol Fire Temple, so does English and four others. Most media also call it as fire temple, even early books, but I for it opened category called Shams al-Rasul Mausoleum. Why? Because assumption of fire temple is simply wrong, outdated. --Orijentolog (talk) 18:01, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- You have failed to provide any actual statistics demonstrating that "Khoda Afarin" or another spelling is more prevalent than "Khudafarin", as I have done above. Simply asserting that scholars use it more without providing evidence isn't going to cut it. The search results being from Azerbaijani, Persian, or any other media is irrelevant to the fact that the majority of English-language media refer to the bridges and dam as "Khudafarin" (+ if you had examined the entirety of the results page, you would've noticed that the majority of the results are not from Azerbaijani media). Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "1970s publications" when both the dam and the reservoir were constructed in 2008.
- Your comments so far have demonstrated that your preference for "Khoda Afarin" over "Khudafarin" is clearly based on personal preference rather than any data and policy. It would've been better to state this from the outset rather than wasting both of our time. — Golden call me maybe? 19:29, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- It's quite obvious that English-language Western academic publishing on uses Khoda Afarin more often, either in Google Books or Google Scholar. It's not hard for me to list it, or for you to check it. Yet, there are very strong sources for Khudafarin also, like R. N. Frye's Cambridge History of Iran (Vol 4), C. Melville's Safavid Persia (I.B. Tauris), and L. W. Adamec's Historical Gazetteer of Iran: Tehran and Northwestern Iran. The "English-language media" you're speaking about is actually Azerbaijani media on English language. Not most, virtually everything, with few exceptions of foreign media quoting Azerbaijani media. I don't understand how can you claim otherwise. If you use such argument around, you'll know what will happen, so better do not. You can mention Frye's work which is indeed one of the most reputable sources. So is Melville's. Anyway, what was the problem for you to ping several editors active in history of that area? As I said before, I have zero issues if I'm not correct, if I see strong arguments backed with sources, I'll rename pages and Wikidata items myself. But you seems to have issue about it. Why? One nice example about personal preferences would be your attempt to rename bridges according to number of arches. Such naming is common in your country, but in Iran they use "Bozorg" (Grand) and "Kuchek" (Small) as official registered names. So, instead of chosing between these two choices, I picked up the neutral version with upper and lower, which can not be wrong. I'm also not wrong about "1970s publications" regarding to the dam, see: Middle East Economic Digest (1972),Engineering News-Record (1976), Arab Oil & Gas (1976), Translations on Near East and North Africa of Joint Publications Research Service (1977). They all speak about Iranian-Soviet plans of dam construction. I don't see this discussion as time wasting, considering results are beautiful. Before our conversation, we had two pages with non-standard naming, without proper categories and infoboxes. And look at them now: Lower Khoda Afarin Bridge & Upper Khoda Afarin Bridge. :) All is organized and referenced, I also put several Azerbaijani variants in Wikidata, and tagged all photos in structural data. Now, if someone search Khoda Afarin Bridge, Khudafarin Bridge or even Onbeşaşırımlı körpü, everything relevant with jump out. --Orijentolog (talk) 13:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- It's evident you haven't been editing en.wiki in a long time if you believe pinging random editors to a discussion is a good idea (I can see why you don't understand the canvassing policy now). The article would already be on a person's watchlist if they were interested in the bridges. All of the nearly 30 people who are following the "Khodaafarin Bridges" article can see the discussion and contribute if they choose.
- I don't have a problem with being corrected if it's done with the same quality that I provided by my own search data, which you haven't done so far, only stating vaguely that "books use it more" (which contradicts the actual search result data I provided). And I did not rename the specific bridge articles; rather, I returned them to their original titles and invited you to discuss them prior to move-warring. Yet you disregarded it, changed everything to what you preferred, and filled this thread with walls of text containing anything but the evidence that your preferred name is more common. — Golden call me maybe? 13:50, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't ping a "random" editor but a person who contributes a lot on Oriental art-related topics here on Commons, also on English Wiki. I know he is a bibliophile and has a tons of fine books, like I do (over 3,000). We discussed before many times. And I didn't call him to back my viewpoint but to give an opinion and possibly correct me. That hardly violates any WP:Canvassing policy, and it can not be said for your pinging Jmabel. But OK, I don't mind it.
- I'm repeating it for you in a very friendly way: your suggestions for renaming based on your own search data will always fail in future (if serious editors engage) because tons of media articles are never stronger than academic publishing. Neither are non-scholarly books from Google Books like travelogues, tourist brochures, Shaffer's revisionism, books about literature (which mention Farman Karimzade's Khudafarin korpusu), and similar material. There are very few books, if none, which mention only villages in Khoda Afarin County (referring to your objection above). All of them mention dam or bridges. On the other hand, there are 40 books which mention Farman's work. So when I say "books use it more" it's nothing vague, but a plain fact.
- The original title was Khoda Afarin Bridges for ten years, and then some Azerbaijani editor separated it to Azerbaijani preferred individual names, which you call as "original". You don't see the issue about it, but you object to my using neutral and common English names. Very interesting. I also remember at least two attempts to rename Aras Dam to some Araz variant, thus again ignoring the fact it's an international object with common English name. From the history of Khoda Afarin Bridges, I see there was dispute regarding inserting Artsakh, as well as this edits. Truly bizarre from all three sides. I put all pages on watchlist and I assure you nothing similar will pass in future. --Orijentolog (talk) 15:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- It's quite obvious that English-language Western academic publishing on uses Khoda Afarin more often, either in Google Books or Google Scholar. It's not hard for me to list it, or for you to check it. Yet, there are very strong sources for Khudafarin also, like R. N. Frye's Cambridge History of Iran (Vol 4), C. Melville's Safavid Persia (I.B. Tauris), and L. W. Adamec's Historical Gazetteer of Iran: Tehran and Northwestern Iran. The "English-language media" you're speaking about is actually Azerbaijani media on English language. Not most, virtually everything, with few exceptions of foreign media quoting Azerbaijani media. I don't understand how can you claim otherwise. If you use such argument around, you'll know what will happen, so better do not. You can mention Frye's work which is indeed one of the most reputable sources. So is Melville's. Anyway, what was the problem for you to ping several editors active in history of that area? As I said before, I have zero issues if I'm not correct, if I see strong arguments backed with sources, I'll rename pages and Wikidata items myself. But you seems to have issue about it. Why? One nice example about personal preferences would be your attempt to rename bridges according to number of arches. Such naming is common in your country, but in Iran they use "Bozorg" (Grand) and "Kuchek" (Small) as official registered names. So, instead of chosing between these two choices, I picked up the neutral version with upper and lower, which can not be wrong. I'm also not wrong about "1970s publications" regarding to the dam, see: Middle East Economic Digest (1972),Engineering News-Record (1976), Arab Oil & Gas (1976), Translations on Near East and North Africa of Joint Publications Research Service (1977). They all speak about Iranian-Soviet plans of dam construction. I don't see this discussion as time wasting, considering results are beautiful. Before our conversation, we had two pages with non-standard naming, without proper categories and infoboxes. And look at them now: Lower Khoda Afarin Bridge & Upper Khoda Afarin Bridge. :) All is organized and referenced, I also put several Azerbaijani variants in Wikidata, and tagged all photos in structural data. Now, if someone search Khoda Afarin Bridge, Khudafarin Bridge or even Onbeşaşırımlı körpü, everything relevant with jump out. --Orijentolog (talk) 13:34, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
- Considering bridges in English scholarly literature, in the 20th century "Khuda Afarin" was also common, but "Khoda Afarin" is found more often. It is sometimes written as "Khoda-Afarin" or "Khodaafarin", and you completely excluded the later from your search. The form "Khudafarin" was rare, it started to appear more often since the 90s. Without mentioning bridges, dam or reservoir, Google Advanced Book Search gives Khoda Afarin (586), Khudafarin (262), Khodaafarin (226), Khodafarin (217), Khuda Afarin (89) and Khudaafarin (2). Therefore, forms with "u" and one "a" are indeed more rare. Dam and reservoir should have the same title, and it's clear which form is more often in professional books and Google Scholar. Beside, you give 4 results for "Khuda Afarin Reservoir" but Google Books actually gives 197 results for "Khoda Afarin Reservoir." General Google results are not relevant, as I said virtually all is Azerbaijani English-language media and related to recent conflict. --Orijentolog (talk) 16:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi. I'm persian and I'm sure about Khoda Afarin (Persian:خداآفرین). Khoda (Persia:خدا) meaning GOD in persian. Afarin (Persian:آفرین) meaning a creator. We don't have Khuda Afarin (Persian:خودا) in persian! So correct name for this bridge is Khoda Afarin. With regards :--MehdiTalk 17:42, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Mehdi, as I said above, that's not relevant at all. Some English common names may sound foreign for native speakers, but that's no valid reason for changing here. --Orijentolog (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
- Khoda Afarin has for long been the name of that category and it seems to be the most common transliteration in English language (and as User:Mehdi said, to the name in the language it originated from). I don't see any valid reason for replace it with what online media from the Republic of Azerbaijan tend to write. HeminKurdistan (talk) 13:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Simply saying it's more common doesn't make it more common. I've already proved above which name is more common both in media and in books. There is no point in engaging in pointless back and forth. — Golden call me maybe? 14:01, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- It's more common in academic publications and you should trust me about it. Anyway dear Golden, I think you've made a mistake in English intro by separating two names as Azerbaijani and Persian, now people can assume that these two come from different languages and that you cherry-picked up one. In fact, when R. N. Frye uses Khudafarin, it's also from Persian. Analogically, English-language literature also frequently uses Qum instead of Qom, and again, both are from Persian. --Orijentolog (talk) 21:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Orijentolog: Do you have any suggestions for how to rephrase it then? — Golden call me maybe? 21:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
'''Khudafarin Bridges''' or '''Khoda Afarin Bridges''' ({{lang-az|Xudafərin körpüləri}}, {{lang-fa|پل خداآفرین}}), are two...
--Orijentolog (talk) 21:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)- Done. — Golden call me maybe? 21:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- I apologize for not answering about the dam, I was busy with other topics and also waited Ricky to respond. Anyway, I see no issues since I prefer unification in naming; there are five cats of close sites so IMHO it's better they all have the same name. Xudafərin (Cəbrayıl) and Khoda Afarin County are exceptions, but what can we do... :) --Orijentolog (talk) 07:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- All good! — Golden call me maybe? 09:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- I apologize for not answering about the dam, I was busy with other topics and also waited Ricky to respond. Anyway, I see no issues since I prefer unification in naming; there are five cats of close sites so IMHO it's better they all have the same name. Xudafərin (Cəbrayıl) and Khoda Afarin County are exceptions, but what can we do... :) --Orijentolog (talk) 07:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
- Done. — Golden call me maybe? 21:28, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Orijentolog: Do you have any suggestions for how to rephrase it then? — Golden call me maybe? 21:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- It's more common in academic publications and you should trust me about it. Anyway dear Golden, I think you've made a mistake in English intro by separating two names as Azerbaijani and Persian, now people can assume that these two come from different languages and that you cherry-picked up one. In fact, when R. N. Frye uses Khudafarin, it's also from Persian. Analogically, English-language literature also frequently uses Qum instead of Qom, and again, both are from Persian. --Orijentolog (talk) 21:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Simply saying it's more common doesn't make it more common. I've already proved above which name is more common both in media and in books. There is no point in engaging in pointless back and forth. — Golden call me maybe? 14:01, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
- Khoda Afarin has for long been the name of that category and it seems to be the most common transliteration in English language (and as User:Mehdi said, to the name in the language it originated from). I don't see any valid reason for replace it with what online media from the Republic of Azerbaijan tend to write. HeminKurdistan (talk) 13:00, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
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Your recent conduct
editI think you should apologize for this comment, specifically for expressing disdain and making the dispute personal. I still remember the time when you had my respect for your work. HeminKurdistan (talk) 14:52, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
- I made it personal? Wasn't it you who stated, "That is 'your' preference", when all I was trying to do was to align the map with the source it purportedly originated from? I won't apologise to someone who disregards my edit summaries and blatantly ignores the discrepancy between a file and its claimed source. Please review the source, examine the map, and consider my edit summaries, and then we can talk. — Golden call me maybe? 15:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Azərbaycanın bütün iqtisadi bölgələri üçün location map-lər
editSalam. [File:Shaki-Zagatala location map.svg Şəki-Zaqatala], [File:Karabakh location map.svg Qarabağ], [File:East Zangezur location map.svg Şərqi Zəngəzur] üçün yaratdığınız location map-ləri bütün iqtisadi bölgələr üçün yaradıb yükləmək imkanınız varmı? Təşəkkürlər--Gabbani (talk) 18:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Salam, Gabbani. Düzəltməyi planlaşdırıram amma təəssüf ki, bu yaxınlarda vaxtım olmayacaq. Ən tezi 3-4 aya hazırlamaq imkanım olacaq. — Golden talk 18:46, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
File:Արցախի բարբառը.png
editHi, could you update this map when you have this please. Thank you Mastersun25 (talk) 18:54, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
File:Oghuz Turkic Languages distribution map.png and File:Turkic Languages distribution map.png
editAlso this map and this map need to be updated in Karabakh. Mastersun25 (talk) 17:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not the uploader of those maps and therefore can't overwrite them. — Golden talk 22:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Mastersun25: I've updated them. — Golden talk 09:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Update request
editHello.
Can you remove Nagorno-Karabakh from File:Map-of-speakers-of-armenian.png, File:Idioma armenio.png, File:ArmenianDiaspora.png and File:Diàspora armènia.png?
Can you color Nagorno-Karabakh in blue in File:Idioma azerí.png?
Can you color Nagorno-Karabakh in brown, because it is now history and the Armenian population was more than 50%, in File:Armenian distribution map.png?
Can you color Azerbaijan in gray (less than 1,000) and Turkey in very light brown (between the 10,000 and 100,000 range) in File:Map of the Armenian Diaspora in the World.svg?
Thank you, 31.200.23.71 16:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Done. — Golden talk 20:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hello.
- I want to thank you for the updates. I apologize for the very late thank you, because I forgot and just remembered my request today.
- Can you also remove Nagorno-Karabakh in File:Europe countries map en 2.png, File:Caucasus regions map3.png, File:Caucasus region map (it).svg File:Caucasus regions map.svg? The last three maps are a copy of File:Caucasus regions map2.svg which you have updated.
- Can you also add all these maps in your watch list, in case they are reverted for POV reasons?
- Yours sincerely, 31.200.23.185 14:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing them to my attention. I've updated them. — Golden talk 14:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Can you also color Nagorno-Karabakh in yellow in File:United Armenia.png, which you last updated, when the de facto borders changed after the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War? I stumbled upon this map today. 31.200.23.185 16:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing them to my attention. I've updated them. — Golden talk 14:12, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yours sincerely, 31.200.23.185 14:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. 31.200.23.185 07:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- This map File:Possible United Armenia current ethnic map.png, needs to be updated. Can you color Nagorno-Karabakh and Nakhchivan in a different color as part of Azerbaijan, and since Armenians no longer live there? And can you add all these aforementioned files to your watchlist, in case other users who don't like the current situation, might revert them? That is it. Again thank you very much. 31.200.23.185 23:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- That map is not used anywhere. I see no point in updating it. — Golden talk 09:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- This map File:Possible United Armenia current ethnic map.png, needs to be updated. Can you color Nagorno-Karabakh and Nakhchivan in a different color as part of Azerbaijan, and since Armenians no longer live there? And can you add all these aforementioned files to your watchlist, in case other users who don't like the current situation, might revert them? That is it. Again thank you very much. 31.200.23.185 23:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- That map might be added in a Wikipedia article someday, so would you consider updating it?
- Can you update these maps, File:Map of Azeri dialects.png, File:Idioma azeri map.png, File:AzerbaijaniSpeakingAreasMap.jpg (Azerbaijani is no longer spoken in Armenia since 1989, after the Azeris were deported) and File:Map of Azerbaijani speakers.png by removing Nagorno-Karabakh, and which are used across Wikipedia?
- Can you create an alternative updated version of File:Azerbaijan ethnic 2003.png, which shows the current ethnic makeup of Azerbaijan after the departure of the Armenians? Many Wikipedia articles use this now obsolete and historic map, and a current map is necessary.
Autopatrol given
editHello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically marked as "reviewed". This has no effect on your editing, it is simply intended to make it easier for users that are monitoring Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones like yours. In addition, the Flickr upload feature and an increased number of batch-uploads in UploadWizard, uploading of freely licensed MP3 files, overwriting files uploaded by others and an increased limit for page renames per minute are now available to you. Thank you. Abzeronow (talk) 17:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Update request for File:Exclaves of Qazakh.png
editHello.
Can you update File:Exclaves of Qazakh.png? The four villages have been returned to Azerbaijan today on 24 May 2024. Only the enclaves remain under Armenian occupation.
PS: Can you update these maps, File:Map of Azeri dialects.png, File:Idioma azeri map.png, File:AzerbaijaniSpeakingAreasMap.jpg (Azerbaijani is no longer spoken in Armenia since 1989, after the Azeris were deported) and File:Map of Azerbaijani speakers.png by removing Nagorno-Karabakh, and which are used across Wikipedia?
Yours sincerely, 31.200.23.185 15:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please stop asking me to make changes to maps that are not in use anywhere. I don't have the time for this. I'll see about updating some of the ones you've linked that are in use. — Golden talk 16:45, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The maps have been updated, except one. Only File:Exclaves of Qazakh.png, which you have uploaded, needs to be updated, but not the two exclaves themselves. Oirattas (talk) 11:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- File:Exclaves of Qazakh.png needs to be updated. Armenia has handed the land back to Azerbaijan; only the two Azerbaijani exclaves separated from Azerbaijan proper, remain under Armenian control. Oirattas (talk) 06:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Create your own map. My map is not intended to illustrate the current situation. — Golden talk 11:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- File:Exclaves of Qazakh.png needs to be updated. Armenia has handed the land back to Azerbaijan; only the two Azerbaijani exclaves separated from Azerbaijan proper, remain under Armenian control. Oirattas (talk) 06:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- The maps have been updated, except one. Only File:Exclaves of Qazakh.png, which you have uploaded, needs to be updated, but not the two exclaves themselves. Oirattas (talk) 11:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Արցախի բարբառը.png
editFile:Արցախի բարբառը.png needs to be updated, reflecting the actual situation, by coloring the whole area where the Karabakh dialect of Armenian was spoken on the territory of Azerbaijan in light green.
Renaming categories
editHi Golden,
I've noticed that you, along with some other Azerbaijani editors, are actively renaming categories related to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Specifically, you are removing the word "Armenian" from these categories and other names which are widely used across other related projects. It's important to note that Wikimedia Commons serves various related projects, allowing categories (as well as photos) to bear different titles and descriptions. Renaming categories based solely on personal perspectives does not adhere to Commons guidelines.
Instead of renaming categories, Wikimedia Commons recommends using dual category names, especially for conflicting/controversial regions. You can find more information on these guidelines in the Commons rules. Meanwhile, I will be requesting the return of the original categories.
Thank you. Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk) 15:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. The only categories from which I’ve removed the term Armenian are those such as Category:Armenian church Shoshkavank (Msmna), where it was used as an unnecessary disambiguator. Consequently, I renamed it to simply Category:Shoshkavank. The rationale behind my action is not related to the church's Armenian affiliation, but rather to the excessive length of its title. There's no other Shoshkavank, so the disambiguation was superfluous. This same logic applies to all other instances where I've removed the word Armenian from a category name. — Golden talk 18:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Map requests
editHi Golden, hope all's well! :) A little while ago I started adding your high quality economic region location maps (specifically your individual zoomed-in maps for Karabakh, Shaki-Zagatala, and East Zangezur) to all the settlement/villages articles in each of those regions as an additional map layer in the infobox (here's an example for the city Qubadli), which really helps readers figure out where each settlement is. That said, I couldn't find any similar maps for the other economic regions so I was hoping since you created the existing maps, maybe could you create maps for the rest of the economic regions? No rush with it and no worries if not but I think they add a lot of value to the articles and are really great maps imo. Let me know what you think (and ping me in your reply) and thanks in advance for everything! Dantheanimator (talk) 22:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hey, Dantheanimator! I appreciate the work you've been doing on the Azerbaijani village articles. Besides creating new maps for other regions, I also need to redo the existing ones to ensure consistency, as the stroke sizes and image dimensions of the current files are not uniform. If I create these maps, I would need you to create the documentation pages for them on English Wikipedia (like this: Module:Location map/data/East Zangezur), as I no longer want to edit that project. — Golden talk 07:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Golden and sounds good! I'll definitely be able to create the documentation pages for the files and help with any other enwiki edits. Just let me know when you publish/finalize each map and I'll get the map's documentation page finished up. One question tho I wanted to double check in case: for the border coordinates and map center, will you send/post those for the new maps or is there any tool/technique I should use to find them? Thought I'd ask since that's the only part that I'm not sure on.
- Also, although I have very limited experience with commons and creating .svg maps, if it helps, feel free to let me know if I can help with anything else too! Many thanks again for the support with this and for your great contributions! :) Dantheanimator (talk) 15:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)