Category talk:Fred Kallaste

Fred Kallaste is not notable person, but several images can be used at several topics, like cabaret or some events--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Whether or not he is notable is irrelevant to there being a category with images pertaining to him. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

"Probably not notable"

A user repeatedly thinks we should be interested in h opinions as to which Estonians are "probably not notable". I do not think we are. Thus I will remove that template again unless someone can come up with a good reason here not to. SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: we need a neutral user to evaluate the situation. Pinging user:Taivo, user:Kruusamägi, user:Auntof6 Estopedist1 (talk) 12:34, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

some info also at User_talk:Estopedist1#December_2023_(2)--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:35, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

If a Wikidata infobox is added to a category page you can revert that and claim that the subject is not notable enough, leaving out the word "probably" (please!). That can then be discussed on the talk page there as an appropriate or inappropriate action. It is not up to you or me or anyone to decide alone where a Wikidata infobox should or should not be added. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:39, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

At our page Commons:Wikidata infobox help I find this re: missing Wikidata info boxes on Commons category pages: The subject of the category is not notable enough to merit a Wikidata item of its own. E.g. the category describes day 2 of a 3-day event, or a Wikimedian who attended a few conferences but is not really notable, or a particular room of a just-barely-notable building, etc. To me, that means that if there is no Wikidata item on the category subject, there will not be an info box to add to a category page. Solves problems like this without warning boxes being posted where we find irrelevant POV words like "probably". --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: I see that other users don't care. But I am working through all people in Category:People of Estonia, so some solution would be good for semiautomatic AutoWikiBrowswer analyzing. For example, is this phrasing variant acceptable to you?

As of 2023, this Estonian person is not notable in the sense of Wikidata or any Wikipedias. Please do not create respective Wikidata entry Estopedist1 (talk) 16:11, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

A lack of input here for a few days does not mean that other users don't care. We can find out more effectively what Commons administrators think by my reporting your behavior in this matter for review by them.

That is if you continue to ignore the fact that all such matters as notability must be determined by consensus, not by any individual user. Please re-read my second comment above, which I now will change to bold type so you don't miss it again. There's your solution. Stop adding boxes to category pages where you're trying to tell other Commons users what they can and cannot do! The only thing that does is make you look like you're way out of line. Remove all the ones you've already created! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:44, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

SergeWoodzing asked me to look in here. I'll admit to being a bit confused.

Estopedist1, are you saying this category shouldn't exist? If not, then what exactly are you saying? Do note that at wikidata:Wikidata:Notability, the very existence of a Commons category is sufficient for a Wikidata item.

Is there somewhere more general than here that we should be having a centralized discussion on this? - Jmabel ! talk 02:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jmabel, @SergeWoodzing: thanks for answering! I agree that currently it is a dead-end situation and potentially doing wikiprojects ridicilous. And unfortunately there is little interest to change Wikidata notability policy, see Wikidata:Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q119906811. So, yes take at least three pictures of a 7-year tennis playing child and this tennis playing child is notable for the world! See e.g. Category:Jekaterina Jeritševa Estopedist1 (talk) 07:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

If Jekaterina Jeritševa is in 3 photos which were uploaded to Commons and are not out of scope those three photos are to be collected in a category. What you don't seem to want to understand is that the notability of a category subject is not relevant to this project. When you realize that, you'll be fine. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)