Commons talk:Requests for comment/User categories

Accepting both styles?

I don't sure whether this is still a draft; anyway adding my opinion. I support the need for uniformity for the main category; so Category:User:Username is appreciated. For subcategories, we have a practice like Category:Featured pictures by User:Username or Category:Photos of animals by User:Username. Renaming all of them to Category:User:Username/Featured pictures or maybe a lot of work. What about accepting both styles? I think what more important is to add "User:" prefix to distinguish it is a Wikimedia or Flickr user. (I've no objection to rename all existing categories (including mine) if it is technically feasible.) Jee 02:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I adapted the RfC based on your comment. Do you agree with the new version? --Leyo 15:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes; thanks. Jee 15:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Comments on draft of notability requirements

In the notability section, you link [it's a broken link, btw] to English wikipedia notability rules but only mention "wikipedia" in general. I'm not sure that all wikipedia projects have the same notability criteria, so if you want to use English wikipedia notability criteria, you should say that explicitly. - Themightyquill (talk) 14:43, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint. Most Wikipedias have notability criteria for persons, see d:Q4663321 and d:Q4657574 (section on persons) that are more or less similar. I edited the text accordingly. OK like this? --Leyo 22:21, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I can't say for sure that I'll support it, but it's much clearer now. Thanks. Themightyquill (talk) 10:15, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Tagging required?

There is a lot of user "main" cats that are not tagged {{User category}}. Should that be mandatory or not? --Achim (talk) 08:53, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I guess so. --Leyo 12:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Categorisation of user categories

Should it be permitted to add user categories to Category:People of Europe, Category:2000 births and similar categories, or should those categories only contain notable people? --Stefan2 (talk) 13:22, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

IMO hidden categories a.k.a. maintenance categories should not get mixed up with normal categories.

Hence, my answers to your questions are: no, not permitted; yes, only notable people. --Leyo 00:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Not hidden

"Even though user categories are hidden for most people ..." in the introduction of this RfC seems to be wrong. I just learned here that so-called "hidden categories" are in fact no longer actually hidden, but also displayed to not-logged in users, the only difference being that they're still marked as "Hidden categories" and appear in somewhat smaller font size. For example, I see the "hidden" categories at File:Tour Eiffel, prise de vue en pied.jpg even if I'm logged out. But still, I think a distinction between "normal" categories and ones that serve mainly an internal Commons purpose would be meaningful, maybe no longer call them "hidden", but "maintenance categories" or something like that. Gestumblindi (talk) 16:31, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I was not aware that “hidden” categories including user categories are now shown in e.g. file pages to all readers. IMO this fact makes it even more important that they are named in a meaningful way, i.e. they are recognized as user categories by readers. --Leyo 00:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Photographs by photographer

@Jkadavoor: As you mention Category:Photographs by photographer in a comment... This is a rather strange mix and I'm not sure how to handle that one - as I recently mentioned, it contains subcategories for notable as well as for non-notable non-Wikimedian photographers, e.g. flickr users, and many (historical) photographers with unclear notability. Examples for the different kinds of photographer categories, all lumped together in "Photographs by photographer": Category:Photographs by Erskine Beveridge, Category:Photographs by Ole Friele Backer (both apparently notable, there are articles for them in English and Norwegian Wikipedia, respectively); Category:Photographs by Sean Benham (photos transferred from flickr, probably non-notable flickr user), Category:Photographs by Anthony Casullo (Casullo seems to be a photographer for the US Navy, these are PD-US pictures taken from external sources), and many categories like Category:Photographs by Böcker, PK with photos from the German Federal Archives where the photographer may or may not be notable. So, if we wish to make a distinction between "maintenance" (formerly hidden) categories and the "main" category system, should photos made by non-notable people be sorted in the "maintenance" tree, together with user categories? Gestumblindi (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

See also #Categorisation of user categories above. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:00, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

What about changing {{User category}}?

One main information most User categories lack is the link to the User page. I think, that a link to the user page should be mandantory. --Kersti (talk) 14:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

How would that look like? Anyway, this issue should be treated separate from the naming issue. --Leyo 21:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Changes to the template should follow policy changes. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:17, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Permit one registered alias that can't changed and provide a registration page?

A blocker seems to be that some users have chosen a user name for simplicity but not for representation purposes. Over time, their involvement has evolved and now they need representative named user categories... anyway, it would be a lot easier if there would be software-aided enforcement. -- Rillke^(q?) 18:02, 19 March 2016 (UTC)