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File:Spanish Civil War - Mass grave - Estépar, Burgos.jpg, featured edit

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  •   Info created by Mario Modesto Mata - uploaded by Mario Modesto Mata - nominated by Mario Modesto Mata -- Mario Modesto Mata (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support -- Mario Modesto Mata (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support Excellent and very impressive. Do you know if there are nationalist, or republican victims ? Did they have been shot ? Some corpses look like if they have wrists bound back...--Jebulon (talk) 21:23, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    •   CommentDear Jebulon. In this case, only Republicans were assassinated, or saying in a better way, non-fascists. There were also some Nationalist's massacre in Paracuellos del Jarama, in Madrid. But in this case, primarily Republicans. And to your second question. Although this image has not the better angle shot, some of the skulls have in their back a hole, and in some cases, we could identify the bullets inside them. --Mario Modesto Mata (talk) 07:28, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Even if I'm not sure that the word "fascist" is good for the spanish extreme right wing, so-called "nationalists" (no matter, it is a long discussion...), I thank you very much for this very interesting informations. I'm very interested by spanish history, and by the story of the Civil War. It seems that you were present during this excavation, and that there is another grave at right ? Do you think these victims could be identified ? --Jebulon (talk) 11:38, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • You are right. We can discuss for a long time about the term fascist applied for Spanish Nationalists. Anyway, I was there, participating for two days in the field season. And there are at least 4 mass graves there, that one you can see in the upper right corner, another one which is further, and another one on the left, which is still not excavated. Experts are planning to dig it next year. What I can tell you is that in the three mass graves already excavated, 70 people were identified. Forensic anthropologists took the skeletons to the lab and effectively they are trying to identify each of them, to give, if exists nowdays, to their families. --Mario Modesto Mata (talk) 19:32, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support --Baresi F (talk) 23:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support Villy Fink Isaksen (talk) 06:56, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support --Very impressive document. It should be in school textbooks. --Arturo de Frias Marques (talk)
  •   Support -- Christian Ferrer Talk / Images 08:39, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support Yann (talk) 09:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support --Pugilist (talk) 13:19, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose Sorry to spoil the party – without doubt it’s impressive and of highest historical value, but in the present form the composition looks rather random to me, and not yet the best possible representation. In the first place, I’d crop out the unneccessary and disturbing dark parts on both sides, showing the grave only. Then, I don’t like the slant perspective making some of the numbers unreadable, I think a more upside-down view onto the grave would show more detail. --Kreuzschnabel 10:46, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    •   Comment Thanks in advance for your comment Kreuzschnabel. I can sure you the image was not taken randomly. In the four faces of the mass grave, the only place where I was able to take it 1.5 metres above the level of the grave was in the place where I was taking it. If I were close to the limit of the grave, never mind in which side, even standing up my arms and taken the picture downwards, the whole grave would had never been photographed completely in all of its surface. In fact, I took also these pictures, but the complete surface of the grave did not appeared, and I prefered, effectively, to take the picture with the whole surface of the grave. I was not able to fly a dron to take pictures orthogonally. I am sure the photograph taken from this dron would be better than the image we are commenting, but unfortunately I haven't got it. But thanks in advance. In this way, I would improve my photography to meet your requirements. --Mario Modesto Mata (talk) 14:54, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      •   Comment Thanks for your answer. I’d find it much more suitable for instance had the grave only – from the same point – been photographed in portrait orientation, giving higher resolution on the horrible details. I will not doubt its encaclopedial or historical/political value. --Kreuzschnabel 15:45, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support Because of the value. For not Spanish users: it may be interesting for you to know that the government usually is not promoting any search for killed people during the Civil War, for example, world famous poet Federico García Lorca. Lots of families keep struggling to find their relatives. So, all in all, this is quite a rare image. --Kadellar (talk) 14:08, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support Obvious HV. --JLPC (talk) 15:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support --Halavar (talk) 19:03, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support Gran valor educativo --· Favalli ⟡ 22:49, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support Great historic importance. Daniel Case (talk) 17:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 13 support, 1 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /-- Christian Ferrer Talk / Images 13:11, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Animals/Bones, shells and fossils
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