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John Cotton's Notebook, not featured edit

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  • Category: Commons:Featured pictures/Non-photographic media#Animals
  •   Info created by John Cotton/ State Library of Victoria - uploaded by Pigsonthewing - nominated by Pigsonthewing -- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Additional info "44 images (samples below above) of sketches of the birds of the Port Phillip District, NSW, Australia, made in the notebook of the ornithologist John Cotton between 1844 and his death in 1849. Kudos to the State Library of Victoria, who have digitised these and made these high-resolution tiffs freely available, recognising that no copyright in them exists." per Andy Mabbett's comment on the FPC talk page. --Cart (talk) 18:07, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support -- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support High value.--Peulle (talk) 14:46, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Question Are we to understand that you are in fact nominating the entire notebook, since you have that title on the nom as well as the "samples" in your comment? If an image is to be integrated into the FP system, every image need to be included in the nomination, not just a few samples. All the images will be examined individually, and all of them needs to hold the FP standard in order for the set to be promoted. It's a pretty tall order with 44 images... but if so, you need to withdraw this nom and create a new one with all the images. One of the now active users who have made similar large batch noms is Adam Cuerden, perhaps he can give you a few pointers. I have also changed the FP category since "Animals/Birds" is for species photos of birds; these are paintings with several families on some pages. --Cart (talk) 18:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment These are very good, but I think for them to qualify as a set nomination we'd need to nominate all of them rather than a fairly random selection. I would support if we had a nomination with all the images. Cmao20 (talk) 19:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support --Gnosis (talk) 20:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose as not any single page considered by itself is FP-worthy for me and being a complete set should not lower standards. On the reproduction side, the resolution is far too low to appreciate any details. The Phase One P 45 this is captured with has 39 MP but here not even half of that is left (deep crop or—most likely—a downscale for the web archive).
    Basic leveling correction and better cropping around the pages is needed. I have a suspicion that pages laying underneath could be leaking through and these pages are visible on the edges poking out (especially that green sticker). Each page should have been folded to be separate. Some pages should be turned vertically because the drawing and text demands it.
    On the artwork itself: one page doesn't even contain any drawings, only text. Some pages have their drawings not colored in but in an earlier draft stage and a lot of pages have a mix of drafts and fully colored birds and their environment. Only the pages with fully colored drawings, in full resolution and some minor corrections done (see above) would get my support. – Lucas 21:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment Before I would even consider some of these paintings and their texts for FP, I would like to have transcriptions of the text on the file pages, identifying what birds are depicted and what the text says about them. Perhaps with accompanying files where the texts are identified in some way similar to these hand painted Canton maps by a Swedish cartographer (also made in the age of the explorers), that I transcribed and translated some time ago: 1, 2, 3 and 4. Old documents like these should be as comprehensive and correctly presented as possible for FPs. --Cart (talk) 22:23, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've looked at only a few of the photos so far, but the ones I looked at were FPs to me, so I'd expect to support a set nomination if the transcriptions Cart refers to were made. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support We can't avoid the back border. Orientation is not an issue for me. As for the quality, we also need to consider the book as a whole. Regards, Yann (talk) 04:27, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Different solutions exist to avoid these heavy and unaesthetic black borders. Either you insert a white sheet of paper behind your document when you scan or when you shoot (like this), or you make fine crops with clean restorations of the corners of each page (like this). In both cases, you get elegant images when you download and print afterwards -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:51, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 5 support, 11 oppose, 0 neutral → not featured. /--Cart (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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