Template talk:PD-GermanGov

Please note that this template only applies to statutes, ordinances, official decrees and proclamations as well as judgements (Gesetze, Verordnungen, amtliche Erlasse und Bekanntmachungen sowie Entscheidungen, § 5 (1) UrhG).

Other official works published officially in order to be available to the public (andere amtliche Werke, die im amtlichen Interesse zur allgemeinen Kenntnisnahme veröffentlicht worden sind) don't enjoy copyright either, but they may not be changed and the source must be cited (§ 5 (2) UrhG). The author of this template (3247) believes the first requirement makes such works incompatible with the GFDL and Wikimedia Commons' policies.

Bundesadler

Maybe we can add the Bundesadler to the template, similar to the US Government templates? startaq 01:43, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, why not. Done. --Svencb 00:59, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Question about a specific document

Can someone have a look at this document and tell me if it is in the PD? If it is so, I will upload it here. --Daggerstab 11:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

After a brief discussion at the Village pump, it was uploaded here. --Daggerstab 12:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:PD-GermanGov/lang

Kann jemand Template:PD-GermanGov/lang entsprechend dem Quelltext der deutschen Übersetzung in diese Vorlage hier einbauen! Und Kategorie nach Category:PD-EUGov license tags ändern - Danke!

{{PD-GermanGov/de}}

Done. -- Bryan (talk to me) 21:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for autotranslation

{{Editprotected}} Hey, could someone please autotranslate this template? The only thing that has to be done would be replacing the page content with {{autotranslate|base=PD-GermanGov}} {{{category|{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|File|[[Category:PD Germany|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}}}} <noinclude>{{Incat|PD Germany}} {{documentation}}, followed by the categories. Thank you. --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done Kwj2772 (msg) 08:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

§ 5 Abs. 2 UrhG

Soll diese Vorlage auch für Werke angewendet werden, die unter § 5 Abs. 2 UrhG fallen? -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 13:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Ich fürchte Werke, die darunter fallen, können in Commons nicht verwendet werden, da sie nicht komplett frei sind (Änderungsverbot). --Excolis (talk) 13:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Das Änderungsverbot gilt auch für Abs. 1, meines Erachtens daher auch Werke nach Abs.2 für Commons geeignet, da eine Quellenangabe ja erfolgt. Die Vorlage sollte ergänzt werden, zumal der Text im Hochladeformat zur Lizenz 5 II mit erfasst :

Amtliches Werk einer deutschen Behörde (gemeinfrei)-public domain

--Erb34 (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Wo steht, dass das Änderungsverbot auch für Absatz 1 gilt? -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 13:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Gilt für jede Nutzung in bestimmten Grenzen siehe Abschnitt 6 und speziell 62 UrhG--84.134.236.44 23:40, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Nein, das gilt nur für die Nutzung urheberrechtlich geschützter Werke. Denn nur die ist in Abschnitt 6 geregelt. In § 5 Abs. 1 ist aber gerade von Werken die Rede, die keinen urheberrechtlichen Schutz genießen. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 07:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

§ 62 Änderungsverbot

(1) Soweit nach den Bestimmungen dieses Abschnitts die Benutzung eines Werkes zulässig ist, dürfen Änderungen an dem Werk nicht vorgenommen werden.

Gesetze, Verordnungen, amtliche Erlasse und Bekanntmachungen sowie Entscheidungen und amtlich verfaßte Leitsätze zu verändern ist doch grobe Irreführung. --Erb34 (talk) 01:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Es kann ja auch legitime Gründe geben, einen Gesetzestext zu verändern, z. B. wenn man einen Entwurf für ein Änderungsgesetz erstellen will. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 06:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

German currency

Please see Commons:Deletion requests/Template:PD-GermanGov-currency. Rd232 (talk) 15:57, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

PL translation added, need help with Template:PD-GermanGov/lang

Hi, I added Template:PD-GermanGov/pl (Polish translation), could some admin please add it to Template:PD-GermanGov/lang? Thanks in advance. Halibutt (talk) 14:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

 Done --Martin H. (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Ausstellende Behörde

Die Vorlage beschränkt die Gültigkeit auf amtliche Werke von Reichs-, Bundes- oder Landesbehörden/-gerichten. Davon steht in Abs. 1 allerdings nichts. Dort heisst es allgemein: "Gesetze, Verordnungen, amtliche Erlasse und Bekanntmachungen sowie Entscheidungen und amtlich verfaßte Leitsätze zu Entscheidungen genießen keinen urheberrechtlichen Schutz." Eine ausstellende Behörde wird im UrhG nicht (mehr?) erwähnt. Ich denke, wir sollten die Vorlage dementsprechend anpassen, denn offensichtlich sind auch Verordnungen auf Landkreis- und Gemeindeebene gemeinfrei. De728631 (talk) 17:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Vorlage:PD-GermanGov

Kann ich staatliche Anweisungen aus der ehem DDR hier unter PD-GermanGov hochladen ?
Zitat : Halle 1987, ANWEISUNG, Rat des Bezirkes, Stellvertreter des Vorsitzenden für Land-, Forst- und Nahrungsgüterwirtschaft und Leiter des Fachorgans >NUR FÜR DEN DIENSTGEBRAUCH<.. bla bla.. Mit sozialischtischem Gruß — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonzosft (talk • contribs) 10:13, 5 November 2017‎ (UTC)

Im Prinzip schon, aber Commons sammelt eigentlich keine ausschließlichen Textdokumente. Auf Commons sollen nur Bilddateien, Videos und Audio hochgeladen werden. Solche amtlichen Anweisungen gehören nach Wikisource. Die nötigen Lizenzbausteine dort sind PD-DEGov und PD-EdictGov. De728631 (talk) 17:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Die Scans, die auf Wikisource zugrundegelegt werden, werden aber hier auf Commons abgelegt. Siehe z.B. Category:De Wikisource book und Category:German Wikisource books. Gestumblindi (talk) 20:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Also was denn nun ? Ich werde diese Schreibmaschinenenseiten sicher nicht abtippen, sondern als Bild scannen. Ist das dann eine Text- oder Bild-Datei ?--Gonzosft (talk) 15:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, wenn du das nicht als Bild, sondern als Dokument, also PDF, einscannst, kann man den Text ja hinterher einfach abkopieren und nach Wikisource übertragen. Schreibmaschinenschrift können die Scanner ja in digitalen Text "übersetzen". Das wäre dann eine Rechtfertigung, die Dateien hier zu hochzuladen. Wer das dann letztendlich nach Wikisource überträgt, ist auch erstmal zweitrangig. De728631 (talk) 16:29, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Es ist getan [1]. Nun kriege ich bei Verwendung der Datei den Hinweis eines LEKTORS : ungültiger Beleg. Darf man jetzt einer Regierungsanordnung nicht mehr glauben ?

Das musst du auf DEWIKI ausdiskutieren. Für mich sieht das Dokument allerdings echt aus. De728631 (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Incomplete translation of the German template: Swiss & Austrian Law

{{Edit request}}

The template is currently, incorrectly, marked via Wikidata as the Commons equivalent of the German de:Vorlage:Bild-PD-Amtliches_Werk. This causes problems when transferring Swiss (not German!) files from dewiki to Commons, because the automatic template substitution replaces the German/Austrian/Swiss information with German-specific text.

There is an easy way to fix this, matching exactly the use-case of the German original without negatively impacting its current usage on Commons:

Please replace, on Template:PD-GermanGov/en:

Original text:

{{PD-GermanGov/layout
|text=''This image is in the '''[[w:public domain|public domain]]''' according to [[Germany|German]] copyright law because it is part of a statute, ordinance, official decree or judgment ([[:de:Amtliches Werk|official work]]) issued by a German authority or court ([https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__5.html § 5] Abs.1 [[:de:Gesetz über Urheberrecht und verwandte Schutzrechte|UrhG]]).''
|lang=en
}}<noinclude>
{{translated tag|license}}
</noinclude>

Replacement:

{{PD-GermanGov/layout
|text=''This image is in the '''[[w:public domain|public domain]]''' according to [[Germany|German]], [[Austria|Austrian]] or [[Switzerland|Swiss]] copyright law because it is part of a statute, ordinance, official decree or judgment ([[:de:Amtliches Werk|official work]]) issued by a German, Austrian or Swiss authority or court ([https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__5.html § 5] [[:de:Urheberrechtsgesetz (Deutschland)|UrhG (DE)]] / [https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/Dokument.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Dokumentnummer=NOR12024408 § 7] [[:de:Urheberrecht (Österreich)|UrhG (AT)]] / [https://www.admin.ch/opc/search/?text=URG+5&lang=de Art. 5] [[:de:Bundesgesetz über das Urheberrecht und verwandte Schutzrechte|URG (CH)]]).''
|lang=en
}}<noinclude>
{{translated tag|license}}
</noinclude>

Preview of the resulting text:

This image is in the public domain according to German, Austrian or Swiss copyright law because it is part of a statute, ordinance, official decree or judgment (official work) issued by a German, Austrian or Swiss authority or court (§ 5 UrhG (DE) / § 7 UrhG (AT) / Art. 5 URG (CH)).

Alternatively, if you prefer this one, with the (DE)/(AT)/(CH) not being part of the link text:

Replacement:

{{PD-GermanGov/layout
|text=''This image is in the '''[[w:public domain|public domain]]''' according to [[Germany|German]], [[Austria|Austrian]] or [[Switzerland|Swiss]] copyright law because it is part of a statute, ordinance, official decree or judgment ([[:de:Amtliches Werk|official work]]) issued by a German, Austrian or Swiss authority or court ([https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__5.html § 5] [[:de:Urheberrechtsgesetz (Deutschland)|UrhG]] (DE) / [https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/Dokument.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Dokumentnummer=NOR12024408 § 7] [[:de:Urheberrecht (Österreich)|UrhG]] (AT) / [https://www.admin.ch/opc/search/?text=URG+5&lang=de Art. 5] [[:de:Bundesgesetz über das Urheberrecht und verwandte Schutzrechte|URG]] (CH)).''
|lang=en
}}<noinclude>
{{translated tag|license}}
</noinclude>

Preview of the resulting text:

This image is in the public domain according to German, Austrian or Swiss copyright law because it is part of a statute, ordinance, official decree or judgment (official work) issued by a German, Austrian or Swiss authority or court (§ 5 UrhG (DE) / § 7 UrhG (AT) / Art. 5 URG (CH)).

~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

 Oppose This would mean merging three existing templates: {{PD-Switzerland-official}}, {{PD-Austria}} and this one. As you can see from the Swiss and Austrian templates, there are several requirements and instances of non-copyrighted works there which would not be applicable in Germany, e.g. banknotes are not copyrighted in Switzerland. So to avoid confusion at Commons, we need to have distinct templates that only show the situation in the respective country. The correct solution is to remove the link in Wikidata because it is obviously not equivalent. De728631 (talk) 03:31, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I mean we should open this to a wider discussion first. As Wikipedia has only one version why Commons should have divided version!? -- User: Perhelion 13:23, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't like German Wikipedia's "combined" template. The specifics of the respective laws in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland differ indeed, so in my opinion, the best solution would be to do away with the combined D/A/CH template and instead introduce separate templates in German Wikipedia, too. That would be cleaner. We would need to discuss that in German Wikipedia, of course. But then we could also ask the question whether we need "local" files with that template(s) at all, or maybe we can move them all to Commons anyway. Gestumblindi (talk) 09:20, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm with Gestumblindi here. As I also wrote at COM:Forum, I have sorted the Wikidata objects and put equivalent templates together, i.e. PD-GermanGov and templates at other projects that exclusively refer to German official works, and de:Vorlage:Bild-PD-Amtliches_Werk and its translated derivatives across Wikimedia. The previous Wikidata page was a complete mess, because it included "Germany-only" templates, the "three countries combined" versions and one template in Romansh language that only referred to Swiss copyright. I suppose German Wikipedia only has one version because it is a common project with a single language for all three countries (DE, AT, CH). So they simply didn't see a need for separate texts. At Commons, however, we are much more detailed when it comes to copyright rationales, and especially so if they concern government works. De728631 (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up: Move suggestion, if above edit request is accepted

{{Edit request}}

This should probably be done after fixing the "German/Austrian/Swiss" issue.

The template has a slightly unfitting name now. It is not only about German, it is about Germany, Austria and Switzerland. I suggest moving the template to "Template:PD-GermanAustrianSwissGov", or "Template:PD-GermanSpeakingGov" (these three are German speaking countries, the "deutschsprachiger Raum" as we call it), with a redirect from the current name. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:55, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

 Oppose per above. de:Vorlage:Bild-PD-Amtliches Werk and its interwiki derivatives are a class of templates of its own which we do not have at Commons for the reasons I noted above. De728631 (talk) 03:53, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

• This needs a discussion, {{Tl}}'ed the edit request template. --Steinsplitter (talk) 09:25, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

As discussed above, the template is fine and it is appropriate to have separate templates for government works from Germany, Austria, and Switzerland (and other countries). German Wikipedia should rather fix its template and separate it as well. It's not a really good solution to combine the three. Gestumblindi (talk) 11:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Comma in the Russian version

{{Editprotected}} Add please in the Russian version this missing comma: "или решения (официальной работой), изданной немецкими". Thank you. Vcohen (talk) 20:25, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done -- User: Perhelion 09:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Dativ in de-Version

Gibt es einen Grund, warum in der Vorlage in der deutschen Version der Dativ verwendet wird? Korrekt wäre ja eigentlich "gemäß des deutschen Urheberrechts" --GPSLeo (talk) 14:06, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@GPSLeo: Nein, gemäß verlangt den Dativ, siehe die Beispiele hier, außerdem sagt man demgemäß oder dementsprechend, nicht "desentsprechend"! --UweRohwedder (talk) 12:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Please replace File:Coat of Arms of Germany.svg

{{Edit request}} This page is protected while posting this message. Please replace File:Coat of Arms of Germany.svg with File:Coat of arms of Germany.svg because file renamed Thank you. Message added by global replace -- Achim (talk) 16:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done —Tacsipacsi (talk) 02:23, 28 November 2020 (UTC)