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CosplayEdit

Do you happen to know of any references that might help me on this, other than the various Lucasfilms cases in the US and UK? --MichaelMaggs (talk)

(un)deletion of some of our filesEdit

Many thanks for your help and suggestions. We will proceed accordingly. With best, ESDC Secretariat

Help ...Edit

Hello ... Pls Delete all Old & New version of this file

commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Harminder_Singh_official.JPG


Thanks :)

« Wemmick's Castle »Edit

Thanks for the information. You're absolutely right. The best thing is to remove the file from Commons. It's not all that important, since it's not a genuine illustration. Personally, I'm deleting from the article Les Grandes Espérances. Best wishes, Robert Ferrieux

Picture of the Year 2013 R1 AnnouncementEdit

Round 1 of Picture of the Year 2013 is open!Edit

 
2012 Picture of the Year: A pair of European Bee-eaters in Ariège, France.

Dear Wikimedians,

Wikimedia Commons is happy to announce that the 2013 Picture of the Year competition is now open. This year will be the eighth edition of the annual Wikimedia Commons photo competition, which recognizes exceptional contributions by users on Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their favorite images featured on Commons during the last year (2013) to produce a single Picture of the Year.

Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the international Wikimedia Commons community in the past year are all entered in this competition. These images include professional animal and plant shots, breathtaking panoramas and skylines, restorations of historical images, photographs portraying the world's best architecture, impressive human portraits, and so much more.

For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topical categories. Two rounds of voting will be held: In the first round, you may vote for as many images as you like. The top 30 overall and the most popular image in each category will continue to the final. In the final round, you may vote for just one image to become the Picture of the Year.

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VPCEdit

Hopefully you took my comment in the spirit it was meant, as a 'teasing' joke. What you said was quite apt, just a bit of a 'wall of text'... I try to keep things friendly.. the OP's comment was rather not, so a bit of a digression seemed in order. Revent (talk)

Oh, no offense taken ;-) That's hardly my worst example of a stream-of-consciousness wall of text reply on here either... I have some pretty long ones sometimes ;-)

FYIEdit

this got archived within hours. :-( Missed it?

Datawrapper.deEdit

I need an expert opinion again.

Is the answer in this section of their FAQ sufficient to meet the requirement for a free image license acceptable by the Commons?:

I have been communicating by email with them. I asked them to stop by here. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:43, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


This is David from Datawrapper - let me know in case there's anything we can do to clarify the copyright/licensing questions regarding graphics created with the tool. We'd be very happy to see it in use here. -- David —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.151.187.212 (talk) 12:06, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@Timeshifter: Hey, thanks for the note. I may not have time to look at this in-depth for a few days, maybe until new year. Carl Lindberg (talk) 20:14, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this yet? :) --Timeshifter (talk) 14:06, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
@Timeshifter: (and David from data wrapper) :-) -- In looking, the terms seem OK for charts, as the FAQ notes that the users own the full copyright to the charts, meaning there is no copyrightable expression from datawrapper in the result, so the users can license things as they wish.
Just to point out though, I believe that also means that datawrapper has no grounds to sue anyone other than the user of the site, who presumably agreed to the terms of service, which is a contract between datawrapper and that person specifically. If that person offers something under a free license, they really cannot further enjoin other users who use it from Commons. So, enforcing the "Created with Datawrapper" may be difficult or impossible. The user could make that part of the information they want reproduced as part of their Creative Commons terms I suppose, but in the past Commons has preferred to remove watermarks from the image itself and put the information on the image page (see Commons:Watermarks). There is a court case in Germany which ruled that doing so with a copyright notice violated the Creative Commons license, but (given the other rights to modify stuff given in the licenses) it's not clear that would be true everywhere. Secondly, the Created with Datawrapper is not related to copyright, so it's not really part of a copyright-protection scheme. The uploader could mandate that "Created with Datawrapper" at least be on the image page, but that is up to the uploader. If something allegedly violates the terms of the contract, that is between datawrapper and that user -- Commons would generally keep the uploads unless the uploader themselves asked to change something. Commons cares just about the copyright specifically, which it sounds like datawrapper would have no rights to, in the case of charts.
When it comes to maps, datawrapper almost certainly does own copyright in parts of the maps. Users may have a contractual ability to use their derivative works per what they have paid for (or terms of service when they have not), but anyone else would have no more than a fair use right for them. So, I don't think those can be licensed freely for upload here, unless datawrapper makes such downloaded content available under a free license themselves (such as CC-BY-SA). I don't see anything like that in the FAQ or the site terms (which is of course perfectly understandable). Carl Lindberg (talk) 20:59, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I sent an email to David at Datawrapper.
The discussion at Commons talk:Threshold of originality#MapChart.net is relevant for map copyrights.
CC-BY might work better for Datawrapper's interest in getting its name out there. Attribution (the BY part) would be required. Though that attribution could be satisfied with a link back to Datawrapper.de from the image description page here on the Commons. I could make another template similar to this one: {{mapchart.net}}. This would allow users at Datawrapper, or here on the Commons, to do anything they want with derivative images as long as they attribute the original image to Datawrapper.
CC-BY versus CC-BY-SA. The 2 Creative Commons (CC) licenses accepted here on the Commons.
The 2 templates are much easier to understand: Template:Cc-by-4.0 and Template:Cc-by-sa-4.0. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:34, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

(unindent). I haven't heard anything further from Datawrapper other than a form email reply saying they got my last couple emails.

@Clindberg: What do you think of this template: {{Datawrapper.de}}

See this search for Datawrapper on the Commons. With one exception it only pulls up maps. So this template may encourage more Datawrapper chart uploads to the Commons, and may prevent admins from mistakenly deleting them.

@JSutherland (WMF): Those Datawrapper map pages from 2016 have this: "Created with DataWrapper.de, which makes use of the MIT License."

Where is that found at Datawrapper.de?

And the actual license used on the Commons for those maps is {{Cc-by-sa-4.0}}. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

@Timeshifter: Thanks for catching this. I honestly do not remember if that was directly listed on their website since this was three years ago now. :) They still license their code under MIT on Github, but they did not require the use of any particular license in the final product as far as I can see. (Edit: I see you already said that above, sorry for my redundancy) Joe Sutherland (WMF) (talk) 23:33, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

(unindent). @JSutherland (WMF): and @Clindberg: I think we should go with a broad interpretation of their terms of service. Broad as in we should take the word "chart" to also mean "map". The key factor in both {{mapchart.net}} and {{datawrapper.de}} is that both sites have now clearly said to us both on their site and here on the Commons that users own the copyright of the created image. One site insists the user use CC-BY-SA, and the other site allows the user to choose the image license.

From Datawrapper.de terms of service.:

Can I use my charts in a commercial product or publication?

Yes, you have the full copyright to your charts. Even charts created with a Single 10k or Single Flat account can be embedded in commercial products – just make sure to keep the label “Created with Datawrapper” that you can find below your charts.

See Merriam-Webster definition of chart. I think this solves the problem, and gives users of the site permission to use whatever image license they want for charts, graphs, and maps that they create. All of which are covered by the standard broad definition of "chart".:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chart

chart noun
\ ˈchärt
\
Definition of chart

 (Entry 1 of 2)
1 : map: such as
a : an outline map exhibiting something (such as climatic or magnetic variations) in its geographical aspects
b : a map for the use of navigators
2a : a sheet giving information in tabular form
b : graph
c : diagram
d : a sheet of paper ruled and graduated for use in a recording instrument
e : a record of medical information about a patient
f : a listing by rank (as of sales) —usually used in plural number one on the charts— Tim Cahill
3 : a musical arrangement also : a part in such an arrangement

chart verb
charted; charting; charts

Definition of chart (Entry 2 of 2)

transitive verb
1 : to lay out a plan for chart a course
2 : to make a map or chart of chart the coastline
3 : chronicle the book charts the last years of his life

intransitive verb
: to be ranked on a chart the song charted for three months

I updated {{datawrapper.de}}.

I sent a longer email to hello@datawrapper.de about this latest discussion on maps, and the broader meaning of "charts" in their terms of service. I got that email address from here:

@Timeshifter: I don't think their statement gives us the right to use maps. Their FAQ constantly mentions "charts and maps" as separate things, and the free-to-use statement just mentions charts, which is probably intentionally keeping maps out of it. Plus, I think charts vs maps would be separate per copyright law, regardless of the MW definition. So I don't think there is anything in copyright law giving downloaders any rights, nor do I think their FAQ can be read in a way to infer they intended to license them. Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Datawrapper clarifies map copyrights in their FAQEdit

(unindent). @Clindberg: I just looked at my email, and David of Datawrapper replied and said this a few hours ago:

thanks a lot for moving this forward. Yes, we mean "charts" as "including charts and maps". We have updated our FAQ to make this more explicit:

https://www.datawrapper.de/faq/#can-i-use-my-charts-or-maps-in-a-commercial-product-or-publication

Let me know in case there are any other questions.

I thought this might be the case, but I wasn't sure, and so I am glad it is clarified. Also, it is a Germany-based company, and I remember having discussions with German editors on the Commons about their usage of the terms for diagrams, charts, infographics, etc., and how it is not the same as our use in English. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:29, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Also, the permission given by Datawrapper.de is broader than that of Mapchart.net. Datawrapper says "Yes, you have the full copyright to your charts and maps." Mapchart, on their feedback page, says: "This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License."
Datawrapper lets the user do anything they want with their charts and maps, or pick any license they want, as long as attribution is given. This fits their business model since many in the news media create maps and charts there, and don't want to share with the competition. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I updated {{Datawrapper.de}} and added it to Commons:Map resources. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:04, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Technically, that statement is the only license they give for their maps. I guess that is something like {{Attribution}}, but they did not explicitly give a Creative Commons license, so unsure that should be mentioned or implied. I would repeat more of the exact wording of their FAQ entry, especially the exact credit line they want. Their license is more nebulous, so there is more room to debate the particulars (can you make derivative works of their maps, i.e. use their outlines in stuff not created by their site, etc.). But on the face of it, seems OK. Carl Lindberg (talk) 16:55, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I updated and clarified {{Datawrapper.de}} further. I added {{Attribution}} too. Feel free to update it more. --Timeshifter (talk) 14:01, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Juan Guaidó restored version.jpgEdit

Hi. I would appreciate your input at the subject page.   — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 04:33, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

File:It's a Wonderful Life (1946) .webmEdit

Hello, as you may know, the film lapsed in the public domain by lack of renewal but the original story and the music are still in copyright (see e.g. [1]). Do you think we can keep it? Thanks, — Racconish💬 14:47, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

No. At the very least it's still a derivative work of a book, and you need a license from the book's copyright owner, until 2035. Music is likely in a similar situation. Stills from the movie, fine, but not the whole thing, or any portion which incorporates more than a fair use amount of the story and/or music (to avoid infringement anyways). Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
It's probably worth noting that Vimeo took down the source video as a result of DMCA complaint by Paramount: [2], [3]. clpo13(talk) 16:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
  Done. Thanks, — Racconish💬 18:45, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
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