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-- Wikimedia Commons Welcome (talk) 12:00, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hello How are you? .. There are some notes about the changes that you have made, I hope we discussed before making any changes.

1. Russia: There is no official census of religion in Russia, and estimates are based on surveys only. In August 2012, ARENA determined that about 46.8% of Russians are Christians (including Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, and non-denominational), which is slightly less than an absolute 50%+ majority. However, later that year the Levada Center determined that 76% of Russians are Christians, and in June 2013 the Public Opinion Foundation determined that 65% of Russians are Christians. These findings are in line with Pew's 2011 survey, which determined that 73.6% of Russians are Christians, with VTSIOM's 2010 survey (~77% Christian), and with Ipsos MORI's 2011 survey (69%). and According to a global survey conducted at the end of 2013, 71% of surveyed Russians identify themselves as Christian; of these, 69% identify as either Russian or Eastern Orthodox, and 2% as Protestants or another branch of Christianity 2013 End of the Year Survey - Russia WIN/GIA.].

2. Canada: According to the 2011 census, A new national study shows that while Canada remains overwhelmingly Christian, Canadians are turning their backs on organized religion in ever greater numbers. 67.3 percent of Canadians identify as Christian; of these, Catholics make up the largest group, accounting for 38.7 percent of the population. The largest Protestant denomination is the United Church of Canada (accounting for 6.1% of Canadians), followed by Anglican Church of Canada (5.0%), and Baptists (1.9%). In 2011, about 23.9 percent declared no religious affiliation, compared to 16.5% in 2001.

3. Germany: Christianity is the largest religion in Germany, with around 51.5 million adherents (62.8%) in 2008.EKD-Statistik: Christen in Deutschland 2007 |publisher=Evangelische Kirche in Deutschland and according to Pew (68.7%) in 2012. For example, Pew, The World Factbook, the U.S. State Department, Ipsos MORI, and EKD all say Germany is a Christian majority country.

4. In Norway: 77% of the population are members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church (new national study 2011-2012) Statistisk Norway .

5. France: 64% of the French declared themselves to be Catholics, and according to Pew (60.4%) in 2010.

6. UK: According to the United Kingdom Census 2011 (~60%) of all respondents indicated that they were Christians. 2011 Census

7. Malta: According to Freedom House and the CIA World Factbook report that 98% of the population is Catholic.

8. Cyprus: 73% of Cypriots are members of the autocephalous Greek Orthodox Church of Cyprus. according to Pew in 2010.

Have a Good Day.--Jobas (talk) 15:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

What you doing is selecting the sources that are compatible with your couches:

For example You choose the source by en:Ipsos MORI, for France while you ignored the same survey for Russia (by the same source Russia is a Christian majority Country) 1. Russia: There is no official census of religion in Russia, and estimates are based on surveys only. In August 2012, ARENA determined that about 46.8% of Russians are Christians (including Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, and non-denominational), which is slightly less than an absolute 50%+ majority. However, later that year the Levada Center determined that 76% of Russians are Christians, and in June 2013 which is most recent the Public Opinion Foundation determined that 65% of Russians are Christians. These findings are in line with Pew's 2011 survey, which determined that 73.6% of Russians are Christians, with VTSIOM's 2010 survey (~77% Christian), and with Ipsos MORI's 2011 survey (69%). and According to a global survey conducted at the end of 2013, 71% of surveyed Russians identify themselves as Christian; of these, 69% identify as either Russian or Eastern Orthodox, and 2% as Protestants or another branch of Christianity 2013 End of the Year Survey - Russia WIN/GIA.].

2. Norway, UK, Sweden: according to the national Census these are Majority Christian countires. The Eurobarometer poll must be taken with caution, however, as there are discrepancies between it and national census results. For example in the United Kingdom, the 2011 census revealed over ~60% of the population regarded themselves as "Christian" with only 15% professing to have "no religion". According to the national 2013 census, about 65.9% of Swedish citizens are members of the Church of Sweden. so the national census are more reliable survey than the estimates that are based on surveys only. In Norway: According to the most recent national study 2013 census 77% of the population are members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Statistisk Norway.

3. France and Germany: All these reliable survies says that Pew, The World Factbook, the U.S. State Department, Ipsos MORI (For Germany), and EKD France and Germany are a Christian majority country. For France beside this source en:Ipsos MORI, anther sources claims that France is still a Christian country. Le Monde (~54%), pew (~60%), a A poll published in same year of en:Ipsos MORI, Catholics are around 64%.collapse of catholic church in France.

• I'm aware of the % difference but these reports definite christinas as individuals who self-identify as Christians which may include also nominal Christian who seldom pray or go to church or secular or nonreligious (as athiest) individual who are 'self-identify as Christians for cultural or social reasons. So Germany and UK are not semi-secular they have more than 50% are christians. Some atheist or agnostic are self-identify as Christians so if according to Eurobarometer Poll 2010, Only 22% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a God" that doesn't mean that the country is not Christian any more because according to the most recent national study 2013 census 77% of the population are reporting being Lutherns.

• The World Atlas" of Holt, Rinehart, and Winston (the source that you use for the map) show that France (Roman Catholic 90%), Germany (72%), Sweden ( Lutheran 87% ), UK (~60%), Norway (Evangelical Lutheran 86%). but you just selecting the sources.

4. For Ghana according to the census in 2010 it's a Christian country (71.2%) See this link : [1] and World factbook

5. According to the government's 1994 census (which the CIA World Factbook follows), 61.6% of the Ethiopian population was Christian: 50.6% of the total were Ethiopian Orthodox, 10.1% were various Protestant denominations (such as the Ethiopian Orthodox Tehadeso Church, and the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus), and Ethiopian Catholics constituted 0.9% of the population). The U.S. State Department estimates that just over 50% of the country is Christian (40 to 45% of the population belongs to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, about 10% are members of Christian evangelical and Pentecostal groups) Orthodox Ethiopian Christians are predominant in the Tigray (95.6%) and Amhara (82.5%), while the majority of Protestants live in the Southern Nations, Nationalities and Peoples Region or SNNPR (55.5% of the inhabitants) and the Oromia Region (4.8 million or 17.7%). The government's most recent 2007 census, Christians constitute 62.8% of the total population, with the largest group being Ethiopian Orthodox Christians at 43.5%, followed by Protestant 18.6% (which include Ethiopian Orthodox Tehadeso Church and the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus) and Catholics at 0.7%.

7.Im agree for the Change For Ukraine and New Zealand and the African countires.

The sources of the maps are from:

• Pew Research Forum gives the percentage and population breakdowns by religion in each country for 2010. This report was released in December 2012; it also discusses the Global religious Landscape as of 2010.

• CIA - The World Factbook - To view percentages visit country by choice, and select 'People' [2].

• Census Bureau: Statistical Agencies - Percentages of the governments census data, select country of choice for statistics. All of these are reliable, accurate, and independent sources and don't make any changes without discussion and find a common solution. -- 11:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

1. I gave you also most reliable and comprehensive and neutral survey about religion in Russia and you ignore it.

you still selecting the sources:

• Norway, UK , Sweden,: I gave it to you National Census from 2011 and 2013 and according to this census which considered the most reliable and comprehensive and neutral survey about religion in these countires show that more than 50% of the people are self-identify as Christians, but you want to ignore it. For you in this case the National Census is not reliable while for New Zealand the national census is reliable!!.

• By the Way according to CIA - The World Factbook (you use it for the map) France (88%), Germany (68%), Sweden (87%), UK (~60%), Norway (82%), Ethiopia(61%) has Christian majority. And acording the

• For the source of "Phil Zuckerman" has nothing to do with the map here because Some atheist or agnostic are self-identify as Christians, For example according to Eurobarometer Poll 2010, Only 22% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a God" that doesn't mean that the country is not Christian any more because according to the most recent national study 2013 census 77% of the population are reporting being Lutherns.

• About Russia There is no official census of religion in Russia, and estimates are based on surveys only. In August 2012, ARENA determined that about 46.8% of Russians are Christians (including Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, and non-denominational), which is slightly less than an absolute 50%+ majority. However, later that year the Levada Center determined that 76% of Russians are Christians, and in June 2013 the Public Opinion Foundation determined that 65% of Russians are Christians. These findings are in line with Pew's 2011 survey, which determined that 73.6% of Russians are Christians, with VTSIOM's 2010 survey (~77% Christian), and with Ipsos MORI's 2011 survey (69%). and According to a global survey conducted at the end of 2013, 71% of surveyed Russians identify themselves as Christian; of these, 69% identify as either Russian or Eastern Orthodox, and 2% as Protestants or another branch of Christianity 2013 End of the Year Survey - Russia WIN/GIA.].

• I'm agree with You about the changes for New Zealand and the African countires as Tanzania, Benin, Togo, Cameroon, Zimbabwe and Suriname (exept for Ghana and Ethiopia)

• You also ignoring a reliable study that used before for the maps and it's a reliable study done by Pew Research Center ,and the study shows the references of thier claim these sources include AmericasBarometer-Administered by the Latin American Public Opinion Project at Vanderbilt, European Values Study, European Social Survey (Administered by the European Values Study Foundation), Gallup World Poll, Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey. United Nations Children’s Fund, United Nations Demographic Yearbook, United Nations. Generations and Gender Programme, French Institute of Public Opinion, Demographic and Health Surveys, or for different Censu that done my different coutries and the estimates for Christian populations in European nations were made in collaboration with researchers at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA). In the study show that Russia (73%), Norway (86%), UK (72%), Sweden (67%) and Germany (70%) and France (63%) still have a Christian majority. http://www.pewforum.org/files/2011/12/Christianity-fullreport-web.pdf.

I hope we discussed before making any changes.--Jobas (talk) 16:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Please stop vandalism that you do and selecting sources, the sources for Norway, UK ,Sweden, it's from National Census from 2011 and 2013, which considered more reliable and comprehensive and neutral survey and the most recent than the "Phil Zuckerman" (it's from 2007 by the way and the "Dentsu Communication Institute is from 2000), and since you use CIA-The World Factbook (a source you couldn't deny) use it also for France, Germany , Norway, UK , Sweden, Why you also ignoring a reliable study that used before for the maps and it's a reliable study done by Pew Research Center, which a recent study from 2011. In the study show that Russia (73%), Norway (86%), UK (72%), Sweden (67%) and Germany (70%) and France (63%) still have a Christian majority. http://www.pewforum.org/files/2011/12/Christianity-fullreport-web.pdf. you just selecting sources.

• By the Way according to CIA - The World Factbook (you use it for the map) France (88%), Germany (68%), Sweden (87%), UK (~60%), Norway (82%), Ethiopia(61%) has Christian majority. And acording the The World Atlas" of Holt, Rinehart, and Winston (the source that you use for the map) show that France (Roman Catholic 90%), Germany (72%), Sweden ( Lutheran 87% ), UK (~60%), Norway (Evangelical Lutheran 86%). but you just selecting the sources.

Can you at least read what I'm writing to you I said for the third time I'm agree with the changes for New Zealand, Tanzania, Benin, Togo, Cameroon, Zimbabwe and Suriname).

• "Phil Zuckerman" it's published in 2007 (While the number are from 2002-2004) by the way and the "Dentsu Communication Institute is from 2000, so both of these sources are old. While Pew study it's back to 2011 and National Census from 2011 and 2013. it's more recent.

--Jobas (talk) 23:53, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

" Are you kidding me right? Is it possible to read what I write. Please stop vandalism that you do and selecting sources.

1. change now only the colors for Tanzania, NewZealand, Benin, Togo, Cameroon, Eritrea, because these countries are Not Christians.

2. While in Norway Case, The story is different your source show the proportion of people of non-believers in God From Eurobarometer poll that was done in 2010, While the other sources show the proportion of people who identify themselves as Christians. So according to the New national study 2012 77% of the population are members of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Statistisk Norway . Eurobarometer poll was in 2010. en:Religion in Norway While only only 14.7% identify themselves as No religion are. not beliving in God doesn't mean these people don't consider themselves Christians anymore. While the United Kingdom, according to 2011 census revealed that over ~60% of the population regarded themselves as "Christian" with only 15% professing to have "no religion". According to the National 2013 census, about 65.9% of Swedish citizens are members of the Church of Sweden.

Let's see what other sources of neutrality and other new studies For Uk, Sweden, Germany, France and Norway

• According the The World Atlas" of Holt, Rinehart, and Winston (the source that you use for the map) show that France (Roman Catholic 90%), Germany (72%), Sweden ( Lutheran 87% ), UK (~60%), Norway (Evangelical Lutheran 86%).
• According to CIA - The World Factbook (you use it for the map) France (88%), Germany (68%), Sweden (87%), UK (~60%), Norway (82%), Ethiopia(61%) has Christian majority.
• Pew study show that Russia (73%), Norway (86%), UK (72%), Sweden (67%) and Germany (70%) and France (63%) still have a Christian majority. http://www.pewforum.org/files/2011/12/Christianity-fullreport-web.pdf.

3.Russia: According to a 2007 poll by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center, 63% of respondents considered themselves Russian Orthodox.[16] In a 2011 survey by the Levada Center, the number of people self-identifying as Russian Orthodox has been on a steady increase from 31% in 1991, to 50% in 2001, and to nearly 70% in 2011. As of a 2012 sociological survey on religious adherence, 58,800,000 people or 41% of the total population of Russia adhere to the Russian Orthodox Church. But However, later that year 2012 the Levada Center determined that 76% of Russians are Christians, and in June 2013 which is most recent the Public Opinion Foundation determined that 65% of Russians are Christians. These findings are in line with Pew's 2011 survey, which determined that 73.6% of Russians are Christians, with VTSIOM's 2010 survey (~77% Christian), and with Ipsos MORI's 2011 survey (69%). and According to a global survey conducted at the end of 2013, 71% of surveyed Russians identify themselves as Christian; of these, 69% identify as either Russian or Eastern Orthodox, and 2% as Protestants or another branch of Christianity 2013 End of the Year Survey - Russia WIN/GIA.].

• so we have CIA - The World Factbook and Arena - Atlas of Religions and Nationalities in 2012 show that Russia is not Christian anymore While we have studies by PEW in 2010 and 2011, Public Opinion Foundation 2013, Levada Center in 2012, VTSIOM 2010, Ipsos MORI 2011, End of the Year Survey - Russia 2013, show that Russia has a Christian majority. the most recent studies which Public Opinion Foundation 2013 determined that 65% of Russians are Christians.

4. For Ghana according to the census in 2010 it's a Christian country (71.2%) See this link : [3] and World factbook

5. Ethiopia: According to the government's 1994 census (which the CIA World Factbook follows), 61.6% of the Ethiopian population was Christian: 50.6% of the total were Ethiopian Orthodox, 10.1% were various Protestant denominations (such as the Ethiopian Orthodox Tehadeso Church, and the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus), and Ethiopian Catholics constituted 0.9% of the population). The U.S. State Department estimates that just over 50% of the country is Christian (40 to 45% of the population belongs to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, about 10% are members of Christian evangelical and Pentecostal groups) Orthodox Ethiopian Christians are predominant in the Tigray (95.6%) and Amhara (82.5%), while the majority of Protestants live in the Southern Nations, Nationalities and Peoples Region or SNNPR (55.5% of the inhabitants) and the Oromia Region (4.8 million or 17.7%). The government's most recent 2007 census, Christians constitute 62.8% of the total population, with the largest group being Ethiopian Orthodox Christians at 43.5%, followed by Protestant 18.6% (which include Ethiopian Orthodox Tehadeso Church and the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus) and Catholics at 0.7%

Have nice day.--Jobas (talk) 15:41, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

STOP the Vandalism

• STOP the Vandalism that you are doing, and Stop selecting sources! why don't you read what I write? read it again and Stop selecting sources and vandalizing!
• For Now Change only the colors of Tanzania, New Zealand, Benin, Togo, Cameroon, Eritrea, Suriname. I guess you do not ever read what I wrote, I say for the thousandth time, these countries according to various sources are not a Christian countries, so I did not deny it and I did not ignore it so don't give false accusations. I retrieve your modifications because you have made significant changes without discussion in regards to the Some European countries and Ethiopia and Ghana. I do not have a program to change the colors of the map, So I say it for a thousand times for you, for now make only changes in these countries New Zealand, Benin, Togo, Cameroon, Eritrea and Suriname to be a Non-Christian countries.

After that we will debate about the other countries to find a common solution, these counties are:

1-Norway: New information to you, Wikipedia is not reliable, accurate, and independent source so en:Irreligion by country is not reliable article to rely on it in, But since you taking Wikipedia as a reliable source you really need to read the en:Religion in Norway that stated only yes only 14.7% identify themselves as No religion. again for Norway according to the National study done in 1 January 2012 show that About 77% of Norwegians were members of the Church of Norway Church of Norway, 2012, CIA - The World Factbook give (82%), Pew give (86%), While the study of The World Atlas" of Holt, Rinehart, and Winston give (Evangelical Lutheran 86%) of Norway population self-identify as Christians.

• Small note: Not believe that God exists is something and self-identify as Christians is different thing, the Eurobarometer Poll 2010 Gives the proportions of faith in God whether or not, (This place Poll should be in Other maps), But statistics about Christians is a different theme, the previous reports definite Christians as individuals who self-identify as Christians which may include also nominal Christian who seldom pray or go to church or secular or nonreligious (as athiest) individual who are 'self-identify as Christians for cultural or social reasons (so Some atheist or agnostic are self-identify as Christians). The Map here is about Christians it's not about theism or atheism.

2- For Russia again and again according to a 2007 poll by the Russian Public Opinion Research Center, 63% of respondents considered themselves Russian Orthodox.[1 In a 2011 survey by the Levada Center, the number of people self-identifying as Russian Orthodox has been on a steady increase from 31% in 1991, to 50% in 2001, and to nearly 70% in 2011. As of a 2012 sociological survey on religious adherence, 58,800,000 people or 41% of the total population of Russia adhere to the Russian Orthodox Church. But However, later that year 2012 the Levada Center determined that 76% of Russians are Christians, and in June 2013 which is most recent the Public Opinion Foundation determined that 65% of Russians are Christians. These findings are in line with Pew's 2011 survey, which determined that 73.6% of Russians are Christians, with VTSIOM's 2010 survey (~77% Christian), and with Ipsos MORI's 2011 survey (69%). and According to a global survey conducted at the end of 2013, 71% of surveyed Russians identify themselves as Christian; of these, 69% identify as either Russian or Eastern Orthodox, and 2% as Protestants or another branch of Christianity 2013 End of the Year Survey - Russia WIN/GIA.].

• In The CIA - The World Factbook for Russia case stated that the statistic return for the year (2006 est.), something that you ignore it :), While we have a recent and neutral studies by PEW in 2010 and 2011, Public Opinion Foundation 2013, Levada Center in 2012, VTSIOM 2010, Ipsos MORI 2011, End of the Year Survey - Russia 2013, show that Russia still has a Christian majority. the most recent study of all it's the Public Opinion Foundation 2013 which determined that 65% of Russians are Christians.

• so we have CIA - The World Factbook (2006 est.) and Arena - Atlas of Religions and Nationalities in 2012 show that Russia is not Christian anymore While we have studies by PEW in 2010 and 2011, Public Opinion Foundation 2013, Levada Center in 2012, VTSIOM 2010, Ipsos MORI 2011, End of the Year Survey - Russia 2013, show that Russia has a Christian majority. the most recent studies which Public Opinion Foundation 2013 determined that 65% of Russians are Christians. so we have here varying proportions are sources of Russian Christians. (from ~20-71%)

3. UK: According to United Kingdom Census 2011, (~60%) of the UK population self-identify as Christians. as CIA - The World Factbook also give the same ratio (~60%), Pew give (72%), While the study of The World Atlas" of Holt, Rinehart, and Winston give (~60%) of UK population self-identify as Christians.

4- Germany: According to Religionen in Deutschland - Mitglieder und Anhänger and Zensus 2011 - Ergebnisse, page 6 both of it done in 2011 found that roughly 50 million adherents or 62% of the total population are Christinas. Pew study show (2010 and 2011) (70%) of German population are Christians. All these reliable survies also as Pew, The World Factbook, the U.S. State Department, (2012)Ipsos MORI (For Germany), and EKD stated that Germany are a Christian majority country.

5. Sweden: According to The National census in 2013, about 65.9% of Swedish citizens are members of the Church of Sweden Svenska kyrkan i siffror, CIA - The World Factbook give (87%), Pew give (68%), While the study of The World Atlas" of Holt, Rinehart, and Winston give (Lutheran 87%) of Sweden population self-identify as Christians.

6. Ethiopia: According to the government's 1994 census (which the CIA World Factbook follows), 61.6% of the Ethiopian population was Christian: 50.6% of the total were Ethiopian Orthodox, 10.1% were various Protestant denominations (such as the Ethiopian Orthodox Tehadeso Church, and the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus), and Ethiopian Catholics constituted 0.9% of the population). The U.S. State Department estimates that just over 50% of the country is Christian (40 to 45% of the population belongs to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, about 10% are members of Christian evangelical and Pentecostal groups) Orthodox Ethiopian Christians are predominant in the Tigray (95.6%) and Amhara (82.5%), while the majority of Protestants live in the Southern Nations, Nationalities and Peoples Region or SNNPR (55.5% of the inhabitants) and the Oromia Region (4.8 million or 17.7%). The government's most recent 2007 census, Christians constitute 62.8% of the total population, with the largest group being Ethiopian Orthodox Christians at 43.5%, followed by Protestant 18.6% (which include Ethiopian Orthodox Tehadeso Church and the Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus) and Catholics at 0.7%

7. Ghana: According to the census in 2010 it's a Christian country (71.2%) See this link : [4] and World factbook

8. "Phil Zuckerman" it's published in 2007 (Review the rates of non-believers in God and have noting to do with the map here because there are non-believers identify themselves as Christians, In addition to the source does not review the rates of Christians) While the "Dentsu Communication Institute is from 2000 so It is outdated and very old source, so both of these sources are old. On the other hand we can use neutral study carried out by the new Pew which done in 2011.

• Wondering what the sources relied upon by the Pew?: Pew Research Center sources include AmericasBarometer-Administered by the Latin American Public Opinion Project at Vanderbilt, European Values Study, European Social Survey (Administered by the European Values Study Foundation), Gallup World Poll, Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey. United Nations Children’s Fund, United Nations Demographic Yearbook, United Nations. Generations and Gender Programme, French Institute of Public Opinion, The world Factbook, Demographic and Health Surveys, or for different Censu that done my different coutries and the estimates for Christian populations in European nations were made in collaboration with researchers at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA).

once you only change for Tanzania, NewZealand, Benin, Togo, Cameroon, Eritrea, we may discuss the rest.. and next time: don't make any change before discussion.Jobas (talk) 00:19, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

STOP the Vandalism that you are doing, and Stop selecting sources, You can't ignoring the National census For UK, Sweden and Norway, You can't ignore the Pew study also, For Russia case there are no official census of religion in Russia, and estimates are based on surveys only.

Returns and says the accusations, the image was developed by the previous image retrieval.

Now I'll stop the discussion here with you, you are now attacking by saing [i know all christians are supposed to lie according to their religion]. I may not be a Christian so you don't need of this type of attack.

Have a nice day and please next time read what I was writing.--Jobas (talk) 11:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Unfortunately, the box on that image doesn't convey any information about the specifics of what is under dispute, and so is not useful in that particular form... AnonMoos (talk) 21:51, 17 May 2014 (UTC)