Jkirks

Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Jkirks!

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Tip: Categorizing images

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Hello, Jkirks!

Tip: Add categories to your files

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]

[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 06:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

• Image:Jim McNatt 44-45 P-66 team.JPG is uncategorized since 29 January 2009. BotMultichillT 06:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
• Image:Jimmy McNatt 39-40 Oklahoma.JPG is uncategorized since 14 February 2009. BotMultichillT 05:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
• Image:Jimmy McNatt Hank Luisetti 41-42.JPG was uncategorized on 23 April 2011 CategorizationBot (talk) 10:45, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
• Image:AAU All-Americans Gruenig McNatt Carpenter.JPG was uncategorized on 24 April 2011 CategorizationBot (talk) 10:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

File:Jimmy_McNatt_39-40_Oklahoma.JPG

File:Jimmy_McNatt_39-40_Oklahoma.JPG has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

GrapedApe (talk) 01:34, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Blocked for false claims of ownership

Four of your images were recently deleted, because you claimed they were your own work and they were not, one of them following a deletion discussion (linked above). This kind of deceptive upload violates the trust we place in uploaders and calls all your contributions into doubt. Moreover, you subsequently reuploaded them under new generic names with new stripped-down descriptions:

• File:Basketball Photo A.JPG is a copy of File:Jimmy McNatt 39-40 Oklahoma.JPG
• File:Basketball Photo B.JPG is a copy of File:Jimmy McNatt Hank Luisetti 41-42.JPG
• File:Basketball Photo C.JPG is a copy of File:Jim McNatt 44-45 P-66 team.JPG
• File:Basketball Photo D.JPG is a copy of File:AAU All-Americans Gruenig McNatt Carpenter.JPG

These images are not acceptable for upload, and this tactic can only be characterized as an obvious attempt to disguise your continued copyright violation and circumvent our policies. As such you have been blocked for one week. If you upload any images in the future without complete and accurate documentation of their copyright status, you will be blocked indefinitely. If you're having trouble understanding our policies and their justification, please respond here and we will assist you. Dcoetzee (talk) 19:54, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I do indeed need help uploading my pictures.... how do I do it? They were deleted before for no reason. I do indeed own these photos.... who deleted them and why? Also, they have been in the public domain for ~70 years (they were taken around 1940). I am a relatively new Wikimedia user. Can random people delete contributions with no justification? Dcoetzee (talk) 22:21, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jkirks, our concern is that you haven't provided the information needed to verify the copyright status of these photos. You claimed to have taken them yourself, but you obviously didn't. We need to know when (if ever) they were first published and in what nation. If they were first published outside the United States, we may also need to know who the original author is. Believe it or not, many works dating to the 1940s are still in copyright today and will be for another 25 years or even longer. Dcoetzee (talk) 22:21, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Where are you getting the information that I claimed I took these photos? That is not correct.... I wasn't alive in the 1940s!! These are original photos that I own.... handed down to me by my grandmother, who was married to the subject in question. Several of the photos were taken by a private photographer on my family's behalf, and the photos were presented to my grandfather, so we do indeed own these photos. I was told some of them were made available for newspapers to use way back in the 1940s, so some have been out in the public domain for ~70 years (though I can't be sure which if any). The point is, we don't mind if they're out in the public domain.... thus the "donation" to Wikimedia.

Can I please re-upload them? I have gotten quite a bit of positive feedback on the photos from the Wikipedia community.... we were willing to contribute from our own private collection to enhance the preservation of the basketball history captured in them. If so, where are they? Are they still floating around out there in cyberspace? If so, how do I re-find them? Or should I re-download them a third time?

Also, I don't appreciate your comment that my re-upload was somehow devious. I couldn't figure out what happened to my original photos, so I figured I'd re-upload under a different file name. I did it in a hurry as I was between meetings. Please be careful of using a guilty-until-proven-innocent approach.... that will discourage people from making contributions to Wikimedia.

Finally, please take me off the "one week blockade".... I have done nothing wrong. While we sort out the above, I may post a photograph that I took in the 1990s as a temporary placeholder, though this will be far inferior to the original posting.

I've unblocked you - sorry that I accused you of being deliberately misleading, I had the wrong impression. You explicitly wrote in the Permission field, "Own work, all rights released (public domain)", indicating that you took the photograph yourself, which is not the case - so don't say that. You also used the {{PD-self}} and {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0}} tags on these photos which explicitly claim that you are the copyright holder. You were invited to participate in a discussion about this claim but you weren't available.

I understand now that you believe you are the copyright holder, but this is unlikely unless the photographer explicitly transferred copyright of the photos to your grandfather, and unless you are his sole living heir. It remains possible (albeit unlikely) that copyright on these photos remained with the photographer, who subsequently registered and renewed their copyright, so that the photographer or their heirs still possess the rights to them today, and so you would not be entitled to release them. Without more information, it's impossible to determine whether this is the case. In any case I've restored them (see Special:Contributions/Jkirks) and nominated them for deletion here: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jimmy McNatt 39-40 Oklahoma.JPG. Please participate in the discussion this time. Thanks! Dcoetzee (talk) 02:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Jkirks responding now: These are original photos that I own (thus my entry that I "own work"... it was NOT a false claim of ownership). They were handed down to me by my grandmother, who was married to the subject in question. I was told the photos were taken by a private photographer on my family's behalf, and the photos were presented to my grandfather, so we do indeed own these photos. We don't mind if they're out in the public domain.... thus the "donation" to Wikimedia.

Please do not vote to delete these photos. We are donating them because they capture a rich period of basketball history that currently has very little information (including photos) that is made available to the public. The articles that they enhance will not be the same without the photos to illuminate them.

As an aside, in the unlikely event that DCoetzee's scenario from above unfolds, and another copyright holder were to emerge from the 1940s, you can send them my way and we'll sort out what to do at that time. Whoever the commissioned photographer was, I know for a fact that he was a basketball fan and would not want these photos taken down.

You responded to me with:

OK, I will go into that "deletion debate" entry and relay the same info I shared with you. While I am not his sole surviving heir, the photos were definitely passed down to me.

Also, can you find my other three photos that were similarly banished.... it would be great to bring them back as well.

The other three are linked in the deletion discussion as well. Dcoetzee (talk) 21:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Jimmy_McNatt_39-40_Oklahoma.JPG

File:Jimmy_McNatt_39-40_Oklahoma.JPG has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Dcoetzee (talk) 02:50, 5 May 2011 (UTC)