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1. User talk:Micheletb/archive1 archived Michelet-密是力 05:58, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
2. User talk:Micheletb/archive2 archived Michelet-密是力 (talk) 06:58, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
3. User talk:Micheletb/archive3 archived Michelet-密是力 (talk) 13:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
4. User talk:Micheletb/archive4 archived Michelet-密是力 (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Richiesta di aiuto per traduzione

Ciao Micheletb, ti chiamo perché avrei bisogno di un aiuto sul wikipedia francese e purtroppo io non parlo Italiano, prima di farti la mia richiesta vorrei farti qualche domanda:

• sai se è possibile inserire file in screenshot in frwiki?
• tu sei in grado di farlo?

Se le tue risposte sono entrbe positive sarò felice di esporti la mia richiesta. Scusa il disturbo e fiducioso in una tua risposta saluto cordialmente Smitersleon (talk) 15:36, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Ciao, Smitersleon :

• La lingua italiana non e la mia, sarebbe meglio di cercare qualcuno nella categoria Category:User it per rispondere a questa domanda.
• Screenshot : dipende de ciò che voi rappresentate nell' screenshot, ci possono essere problemi di Copyright.
• Se non c'è aucoun problema di Copyright, tutti possono farlo.

Ciao, Michelet-密是力 (talk) 17:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Test

cliquer ici

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Yours sincerely, Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

•  Done corrected Michelet-密是力 (talk) 09:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Attribution question

Hello Micheletb, I have used the animated image of Cygnus you created but could not find where you specified your attribution. It reads, "This image is by Michelet B." Is there something else you would prefer? Al Leluia81 (talk) 14:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I'm fine with the CC-by licence, never mind putting anything more. The mention "This image is by Michelet B" may be omitted. The only real intellectal property issue is that "Constellation drawings (often but not always) following "The Stars - A new way to see them", H.A. Rey, 1952-1980, ISBN 0-395-24830-2.", which is mentioned n the corresponding picture. Yours, Michelet-密是力 (talk) 17:08, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

I am new at using images. I see you removed the the mention ("This image is by ...), but do I need to add any license information? Thank you. Al Leluia81 (talk) 18:31, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

No, you don't need to add anything. The licence information is not to be made explicit on the article itself, it needs simply to be reasonably accessible. For commons illustration, the licence information can be simply accessed by clicking on the image itself, so there is nothing more to add (unless it has an encyclopedic interest by itself).

By the way, interwiki links may be used with the following (tidier) format : your reference, see w:help:Interwiki linking.

Yours, Michelet-密是力 (talk) 05:13, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate the information. I was not aware the image could be clicked, and have looked up the help page on Interwicki linking. I also appreciate the image you created. It is a very good image to help people imagine what it would be like to look up at Cygnus and see a "star that does not belong" because a naked-eye nova has appeared. Best regards Al Leluia81 (talk) 13:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Bespoke character animations for Chinese learning app

Hi Michel

I love your -order.gif animations!

I have been developing a system for helping users to learn Chinese called MinuteMandarin.com and have now been asked to make a version for a group of schools. The group need me to present up to 950 specific characters, using Joel Marc Bellassen's threshold lists. I need a character animation for each of those 950. Can I commission you to do the ones that you have not already created?

Best regards

Tim

Hello, Tim,

I've been planning to do "something like that", and "some day", and I may draw a couple of dozens right away (that is, within a couple of weeks), but not 950 overnight ! This would probably take years. Furthermore, as you can see from my contribution list, my present interest is that of character etymologies, not strike orders.

Furthermore, as a matter of principle, my priority has always been for the character components, since the stroke order for compound characters is (most of the time) straightforward. So compound characters are out of immediate discussion, unless (of course) very good reason suggest otherwise (always allow for exceptions, life being complicated).

This being said, the list I would spontaneously use would probably be the en:Kyōiku kanji list - once again, as a first approach, restricting myself to uncompound characters, and/or component of frequent characters - hmmm, the priorities may be hard to determine. Also, there is a list of Frequency list of Chinese characters - for that it's worth... Is this the list you had in mind ? I can get my hand on with a google research on "Joel Marc Bellassen" is that one, which has only 400 characters - is this one OK ? Can you provide a link to the 950-characters list you have in mind ?

Now, the Category:Order.gif stroke order images already has 439 animated gifs - 511 to go? which would be your priorities ?

I'd be glad to help by animating any one character you point at as being urgent, and by starting to animate a list that you feel correspond to a priority.

Please elaborate on what exactly would be your priorities, and I'd be glad to help somehow - but you will understand I can't commit myself on animating a complete list in any reasonable delay. There is a real life out there, you know...

Yours, Michelet-密是力 (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Dear Micheletb

I must say that your work on ancient Chinese scripts is truly remarkable, however, the same thing can not be said for me. I have uploaded several svg files of characters in the so called silk and bamboo script, which I regret. I would like to ask you if you if you could redo some of the old files I uploaded:

• File:田-silk.svg
• File:日-silk.svg
• File:三-silk.svg
• File:國-silk.svg
• File:韇-silk.svg
• File:車-silk.svg

If it had been you who had uploaded these files, I am certain that they would have been of higher quality, so now that I am focusing my efforts towards Wikimedia Commons, one of my top priorities is to correct past mistakes. – VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello, VulpesVulpes42,

The files seem OK to me, as far as the character choice and the vectorial rendering are concerned. And the "ACClicense" is OK.

The only thing is that it would be better to standardize the file format to 300x300 pixels, and standardize the [width or heigth] maximum of the figure to 290 pixels (leaving 5 pixels on each side), by scaling the entire figure (make sure the with and height remain proportionnaly linked). But this is just a refinement, since with vectorial drawing the files are scalable at any dimension in the first place.

Another point : when you fill the "silk" parameter in the ACC licence, it automatically classifies the image in the "Bamboo and silk script characters" category, so there is no need to explicit the category.

Then, for retrieval purpose, the template:ACClicense has additional parameters :

• For compound characters, the parameters "component1=" ... to "component5=" should be used to ease retrieval and comparisons.
• For non-compound characters, the parameters "component1=" should be the character itself (since it is non-compound...) and the "strokes=" parameter should be filled (so that elementary characters may be retrieved by strokes count).

If you forget to do it it is nt a big deal : the "strokes" and "component1" parameters categorizes it in a "garbage collector" category. Just make sure that if you give a character decomposition, it is complete ; unknown components should be flagged by "?" (dont'know) or "Misc (never mind that atypical one).

Michelet-密是力 (talk) 06:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm here to help. But I need to know if I'm doing it right.

Hello,

My name is Alex. I want to help with the project and this is my first time uploading anything to any Wikipedia-based site. Below are links to files I have uploaded so far to the project.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E5%8F%B3-seal.svg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E5%8F%B3-bigseal.svg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E5%8F%B3-bronze.svg

Before I continue uploading, I want to know that everything is as it should be and if there are any complaints from anyone. I'd hate to upload a bunch of stuff only to find out that I violated some rule and that they have all been deleted.

Just to let you all know, I am working off of the Japanese Kanji list according to school grade order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%8Diku_kanji

Starting with Grade 1, I'm seeing if a character is missing any ancient script svgs in the project, and if it's missing and available on Richard Sears' website, I go there, convert the gif to svg, and upload.

Then I'd move on to Grade 2, so on and so forth. :)

Thank You

Hello user:Alexbdf,

• To begin with, a useful hint : when within the same wiki, it is easier to provide a link to a file using that format : File:右-seal.svg - just put a semicolon before the file name, so that the system understand it is a link and should not be taken literally.
• The picture files seem OK to me.

You have had some problems with the template:ACClicense parameters :

• Apparently you have taken the bigseal character from the L24498 character of the internationalscientific page. When using this source, it would be better to fill the n°4 parameter with "L24498", to acknowledge the source. It is not really mandatory (characters that old of course are in the public domain), but Richard Sears has kindly authorized us to copy his files, and that can be rewarded by a bit of advertising. Though his etymology explanations are worthless, he has done a terrific job posting these pictures on the net, and is still the only source available for bigseal characters.

Well, indeed, 右 may seem non-compound in modern scripts, but it is in ancient ones, and that's what should be described.

• There is no need to indicate the stroke count for compound characters, it is only meant to be used for identification purpose, and this only makes sense for non-compound ones. Since non-compound components gather all characters where they appear in a separate category, retrieving compound ones is easy once you have had a starting point. For compound characters, just set that parameter to 0.
• Furthermore, when relevant, the "stroke count" should be made on the old character, not according to the present version. File:右-seal.svg actually has four strokes (not five), and File:右-bigseal.svg has only three...
• The characters indeed have a 口 component, but also a 又 one on the top. When you provide a character decomposition, always make sure that all component are accounted for. It's OK if no decomposition is given (someone will proofread the Category:ACC needing decomposition some day) ; it's OK if you put a "?" for a component you can't identify (classifying them in category:ACC containing ?‎, which may be proofread some day) ; but there is no security net if the list of component is incomplete - the link to the missing component is irremediably lost (it may only be proofread by accident).

Lastly, you should check for available alternative versions on all three databases, especially http://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=en and http://xiaoxue.iis.sinica.edu.tw/yanbian which can provide silk-and-bamboo characters. You will find there is also a File:右-silk.svg character that needs a description.

Now, if you want to work on the Kanji elementary list, you may also want to have a look at the Commons:Stroke Order Project - for educational purpose, stroke order seems to be a priority, at least for non-compound characters. And there is much fun in animating characters ;o) - see Category:Order.gif stroke order images.

I hope this is helpful - Don't be impressed by the length of my reply, you're doing a fine job already. Feel free to come back for any advice,

Michelet-密是力 (talk) 07:35, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbdf (talk • contribs) 18:55, 08 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. Gotcha! I'll include the code numbers for characters if I get them from Richard Sears' site and will be more careful with the template. If you don't see a code, then it is because I took the image from one of the other sites.

I will also check out the sites you mentioned to get the bamboo and silk characters.　My priority will be on the Seal/LargeSeal/Bronze/Oracle scripts, since they are all in one place on the InternationalScientific site. I will then go back to the other sites and look only for bamboo silk characters.

I will be able to work much faster this way since I won't have to be cycling between three different sites for each character.

I know you need help with the stroke order project, but for the time being, my interest is in creating these ancient script svgs.

I'm going to help you guys get this Ancient Characters collection nice and fat, at least until the most common 3000 or so characters are accounted for. Afterwards, I'll definitely consider participating in the Stroke Order Project!

Thanks Micheletb. I'll contact you again if anything. Please feel free to contact me as well if you still see me doing anything incorrectly with my uploads/templates.

Alexbdf (talk) 18:57, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hey Micheletb,

I uploaded some more files and have been including the information the way you specified, except for strokes for non-compounds, which I have putting all as "strokes=0".

The thing is, I don't think it's a good idea to try to count the strokes of ancient script characters. Since we don't know how the original writers of these scripts wrote them exactly, and since it's nearly impossible to determine just by looking at them, it basically comes down to guessing.

I don't feel comfortable guessing at what I THINK is the correct number of strokes just by looking. If you or someone else wants to edit/proofread my templates and add in stroke numbers for non-compounds, then please feel free to do so.

Thank you

Alexbdf (talk) 02:50, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Micheletb,

I appreciate you taking the time to point out my errors and correcting them. I am fairly new to the study of ancient chinese scripts and have much yet to learn.

I can see that analyzing ancient scripts and accurately breaking them down into their correct components can get pretty complicated and time consuming, requiring thorough research.

Unfortunately, such deep analysis and study of these characters, for the time being, goes well beyond the scope of my interest in this project and my use for these svgs.

Before I discovered the ACC project, I needed to make svgs of ancient scripts anyway for a website that I am working on.

I then found out about the ACC project and have seen how much work you and others have already put into it, so it made sense for me to contribute my svgs to the project and help out.

My top priority right now is to get the svgs themselves made so that the public can at least have access to the files and SEE them, and see how modern characters today used to look in the past and how much of the original glyph was lost.

While I applaud you for your ambitions with this very important project, I think that the average student studying the Japanese/Chinese language is not really interested in the the stroke count and component breakdown of ancient scripts.

Rather, they want to SEE the pictographic form of these ancient characters so that it makes the meanings of modern characters easier to remember.

For example, when someone sees the character 馬 for the first time, they may not see the horse in the picture and may have trouble remembering the character's meaning. But when they see the oracle bone and bronze versions of this character, they will never see the character 馬 the same way again.

The next time they see it, they will almost immediately recognize the horse and the meaning of the character will pop into their heads.

Right now, I want to make the svgs so that I can have the most common 2000-3000 characters accounted for and finished. If I were to try and look up and decipher every component of every character, and include stroke counts for the primitives, this would take MANY years (instead of months) to complete and I neither have that kind of time nor am able to wait that long.

If it's okay with you, I would like to continue uploading svgs, but without the component and stroke info in the templates, such as: "ACClicense|青|seal|s03660|strokes=0|component1=".

I will still provide the first 3 parameters, of course, (license, character, type) and the code if it was taken from the Richard Sears site.

Since I now know how to edit my uploads, I will gladly return to these uploads and fill in the missing information at a future time when I can. Other individuals, such as yourself, who are much better at ancient script analysis than I am can help with filling in the information as well.

This is a massive project and I work more efficiently when I break things down into manageable chunks or do things in multiple passes.

By me uploading in this way, the number of svgs in the project will grow much faster and the public will at least be able to see the glyphs and have access to the files, even if there's no detailed etymological information.

Forgive my long response. Let me know what you think, because I really like what you're doing with this project and want to continue to help.

Thanks

Alexbdf (talk) 21:13, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hey Micheletb,

I just realized that the volunteer Wyang is uploading svgs programatically from the Richard Sears site. At the rate that this guy is uploading, it seems that he can finish the project single handedly. Do you still need my help?

Alexbdf (talk) 05:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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demandes de suppression

Bonjour

Je viens de demander la suppression de plusieurs images.

Ces images proviennent du blog (non-officiel) de Radio Courtoisie, où elles sont mises au statut "licence libre", sans indication du nom du photographe. Cela ne me semble pas garantir que ce blog respecte le droit des auteurs.

Pour information, cordialement

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