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Question regarding an OTRS ticketEdit

Hi Ww2censor (talk · contribs)

I uploaded an image File:Latifa_bint_Mohammed_bin_Rashid_Al_Maktoum_(II)_photo.jpg and requested that Tiina (the source/creator) submit a message via OTRS (OTRS ticket #: 2019041010010981) to validate permission for use. I see the notice saying that, "The email was not sufficient", so I'm wondering if this was just the wrong approach, for some reason?

Perhaps the issue came about because I'd initially put in the description that it was a "passport photo" which would involve government use rights, etc.? I corrected the description to more clearly describe that the photo was merely created with the intent that it would be used for a future visa/passport/asylum application, which obviously never took place (if you're familiar with the Wikipedia article the image is attached to), and so I imagine that, if the original issue was as I've speculated, that wouldn't apply to this situation. The owner/creator (Tiina) can verify these facts as well.

Thank you, --Ooopjfooo (talk) 23:07, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Ooopjfooo: I reviewed the OTRS ticket and all I can tell you is the image has no permission from the copyright holder. Tiina is not that person and if you look at the image source you will see it is named as being a passport photo, so obviously not her photo. Whoever took it would have to provide their permission, or maybe it was taken at a government facility, in which case they own the copyright. I can't tell you anything else. Ww2censor (talk) 09:41, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Ww2censor: Alright then, thank your for the response! --Ooopjfooo (talk) 16:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Ooopjfooo: you could occasionally check this category and watch out for any new images. Ww2censor (talk) 16:51, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Ww2censor: Sorry, I've just noticed your reply. And sure, I've enabled notifications on that category.
I still occasionally think about this photo and wonder if it can possibly be reevaluated, or something. It was my understanding that Tiina would be the copyright holder, as I believe that she took the photo.
Just to reiterate the scenario involved at the time, the woman in the photo (Latifa) is a member of the royal family and was attempting a covert escape from the country. She wasn't permitted to travel outside the country by her father, the ruler of Dubai, so naturally (I'd presume) couldn't go through any official government service for such a photo meant for a travel document.
Additionaly, (this may or may not be relevant to this case, I'm truly not sure) in my country (USA), for example, we submit passport photos ourselves that we can either (very carefully!) take ourselves, or go to any number of local travel companies, photographers, or (weirdly enough) even many grocery stores. Again, I have no idea how it's meant to officially work in the UAE, but that's my context of understanding. I suppose any normal official procedure would be irrelevant in this specific case however, due to the specific scenario involved.
Just wanted to make those clarifying comments. I'm unsure if you'll find them relevant, but as I said, this is just something that's kept coming to my mind as I hope that there can be a proper photo attached to this wiki entry, by this or whatever other means is appropriate. Especially because there are two other members of her (very large) family that share her *exact* same full name, as explained on her page.
Thanks for helping out with this wonderful platform =) -- Ooopjfooo (talk) 02:03, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
I can't assist you here. All communication with Tiina takes place in the privacy of the OTRS system though she did suggest she had an image that she did take but I've yet to see it. All I can say it that unless the copyright status of an image is verified, then per the precautionary principle we can't accept or keep such images. BTW, watching a category will not notify you if any new image is listed there because only changes to the actual category page would show up. Images are transcluded there, they do not edit the category page: for that reason you may need to check it every now and then. The only thing I can suggest is that on the enwiki you might be able to justify using a non-free image per there very strict non-free policy guidelines but generally photos of living people are extremely difficult to justify. Ww2censor (talk) 10:56, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to reply and explain. I'll keep an eye on the category page. I've just been in discussions with Tiina, and I've uploaded the photo that she was referring to on her behalf, at her request. She's going to take care of the OTRS side of things, so hopefully everything works out with the new image. Thanks again! --Ooopjfooo (talk) 17:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
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