Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Marsh wren at Hammonasset Beach (12908).jpg

File:Marsh wren at Hammonasset Beach (12908).jpg, featured edit

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Info created and uploaded by Rhododendrites - nominated by W.carter.

Since the first wren photo nom was already up and running when Charles made his suggestion about a set, we can do it this way instead. I don't mind using my two slots since they are vacant and both photos are great. And I don't see any need for any crops here. -- Cart (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On its own, the background here is too distracting, but the two images would work together. Cropping would get rid of some of the distractions. Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unclear about norms regarding sets. I've typically understood them to be more about condensing nominations rather than featuring images that would not be featured independently. Each image in a set gets the same FP icon as any other FP in the end, right? That said, I don't have any objection to however you and Cart decide makes sense (up to and including withdrawing both to renominate as a set). — Rhododendrites ^talk | 23:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It has been said many times here on noms that set photos need to be FP material each in their own right. They can't be "leaning" on each other to get the nom promoted. Seeing how the voting has started here, I think it' s better to keep this as two noms. It was a good idea to nominate both, but people like one or the other photo, so it would be harder to get this through as a set nom. --Cart (talk) 23:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

? I have not heard it being said many times. It is not part of FP set criteria. The images in this set nomination would not be FP as single images. Nor, in my opinion, is your original front-on nomination of the singing wren. It needs the side-on view to make it special. The two images together negate the cluttered background. The set would demonstrate the skill and patience of the photographer and have excellent EV. Charlesjsharp (talk) 08:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The rules only say that "If a group of images are thematically connected in a direct and obvious way, they can be nominated together as a set", otherwise the images are subject to the same rules as any other nom. --Cart (talk) 08:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I think about it a bit more, it does seem true that there are sets which succeed where [some of] the individuals would not be promoted. Like the chameleon sequence. If nominated separately, I don't think they'd all be promoted simply because once you've supported the 2 and 3, 1 and 4 are much less dramatic and "too similar." But I'm not sure I've seen one where the individuals would fail due to technical shortcomings apart that somehow work together. That doesn't mean it can't/hasn't happened, and I get Charles' reasoning here -- I just can't recall it. As I said before, I'm happy to defer to others on this. I don't have a strong feeling about set/separate and in this case I also don't have a strong opinion about crops (as long as it's not too close, which the current suggestion feels like it is IMO). — Rhododendrites ^talk | 13:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The notion that all photos in a set must also be standalone FPs was one of the non-written practices I learned when I came here. However, I think the interpretation of the FP rules change with the users voting at some time, same as with 'Alternatives' on a nom. (Most of the time 'alt' is only used for changes of the original photo, but from time to time some different photos are also presented and accepted.) We have also completely ignored the set rules at times. --Cart (talk) 14:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain as nominator. -- Cart (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nice. --Lmbuga (talk) 21:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Thanks again, cart. :) And thanks for the suggestion, Charles. I will say, I was really happy the wrens were out that day. It was very, very hot, and I was dressed for hiking, not for the beach. These guys and their gurgly, yet exuberant songs (and silly wren tails!) made it worth it. It was my first time seeing marsh wrens, so I spent probably an hour or so with them, trying to get reasonably close shots of them singing without too much obstruction. — Rhododendrites ^talk | 21:49, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seven Pandas (talk) 22:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This one I'd like more cropped in tighter on the bird, to get rid of some of the distractions in the background. Daniel Case (talk) 04:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think the tighter crop would be better, per Daniel Case Buidhe (talk) 04:50, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Aristeas (talk) 06:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 06:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 14:50, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Ivar (talk) 18:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Cayambe (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Famberhorst (talk) 15:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Ermell (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support --GRDN711 (talk) 01:49, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Indication of the scientific name and link to the wikipedia article of this species would be useful --Llez (talk) 19:30, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support ×Elvorix^talk 10:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed results:

Result: 13 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /--A.Savin 21:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This image will be added to the FP gallery: Animals/Birds/Passeriformes#Family : Troglodytidae (Wrens)