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problem solved --NiCk 23pprr (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Jmabel ! talk 20:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Correct Template for uploading the picture for the art work I take from museum

I have read When should the PD-Art tag not be used?. If I took the picture for the sculptures by myself, and sculptures maker is dead more than 100 years ago, what label should I use? Do I just do a CC-0 label (If I want to publish the picture under cc-0)? How could I tell people the original sculptures is already in the public domain?

I also been confused that it says the lighting arrangements can create the new copyright. If the museum create the lighting for the sculpture, does it mean the museum actually own the copyright for the picture (because museum created the lighting effect)? If the museum have FAQ page declare they will NOT own the copyright of any picture of the artwork. How can I link that to show that fact?

If the museum put sculpture in the yard, and the sun do the nature light to the sculpture, can I assume that the museum does NOT own the copyright?

Last, how can I separate the landscape and the artwork? For example, Geneva have "The Flower Clock", if I take a picture of it, can I say it's just a landscape (so I have full copyright for my picture) or it's an artwork create by the government? (I means since the government create it, I can assume it's in the public domain, so does not matter) But if a private company have similar thing (like the shape of their building/create some landscape on public available area), and I take a picture, can I say I have the copyright and upload it to Wiki Comments?

Tangmingxyz (talk) 11:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

For the first question, you can use something like {{Copyright information | photograph = {{Self|cc-0}} | sculpture = {{PD-100}}}}. --Geohakkeri (talk) 16:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
@Tangmingxyz: you might want to look at the approach I took at File:Sant bisbe - c. 1500 - Museu Frederic Marès 944 - 01.jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 19:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Pictures downlinked from satellites

When satellite pictures are released by satellite operator, they are licensed according to that operator's policy, no problem. But, when images are dowloaded by someone else with something like SDR radio (like in this guide), who is the copyright holder of the images? Satellite operator or radio operator?

When someone downloads picture from American NOAA weather satellite, it's free either way (NOAA PD or any free licence downloader choose). But what about pictures from Chinese Fengyun or European MetOp? Trasheater Midir (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trasheater Midir: Hi, The pictures are not downloaded from the satellites, but from a down-to-earth server which is operated by the satellite operator. So the pictures are under a copyright by whoever created them (except for NASA or other US government agencies). Yann (talk) 18:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
@Yann: “The pictures are not downloaded…” well, unless they are! A weird little corner case but nevertheless a valid thing to ask about. --Geohakkeri (talk) 18:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
@Yann, sorry, but have you looked at the guide I linked above? How to Download Weather Satellite Images from Space. Weather satellites downlink images in easily decodeable formats, it's one of their functions. These images can be downloaded with radio and decoded with some program (like that one). It's a hobby somewhere between satellite watching and amateur radio. See also [1] or [2] for some examples.
I'm asking precisely about such images, not about more official images that are received on the ground stations, and then sometimes released. Sorry if I was unclear. Trasheater Midir (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Are users allowed to create categories based on their username?

For example, is it acceptable to make Category:Videos uploaded by Pdanese etc. etc.

I know some users create categories like this (e.g., QImages by <username>), but I want to make sure this is an acceptable action or if new categories should only be created to further the overall goal of the commons.

Thank you. Pdanese (talk) 17:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pdanese: Yes, these are OK, but they usually should be hidden. Yann (talk) 18:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
TYVM! Pdanese (talk) 01:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@Pdanese: Please see also:
-- Asclepias (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
TYVM! Pdanese (talk) 01:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Image I have rights to use got deleted

I uploaded an image that I have rights to use online. I uploaded the original, unedited version of the image. It got deleted because an administrator cited a news source that has an edited version of the image on it (the same source who released the image rights for my use). What steps should I take if I want to re-upload this image to make it clear to others that I have rights to use it so that they cannot just delete it? EAWDA (talk) 02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@EAWDA: I assume from context here that you are talking about a copyrighted image, where someone else holds the copyright. (You don't say just what image you are talking about, but I presume this is File:Genlin.jpg. When you uploaded that, you claimed it was your own work, which certainly did not help in sorting this out.) You personally having rights to "use the image online" is not enough for Commons. Commons only hosts copyrighted images if they offer a specific free license such as {{Cc-by-sa-4.0}} that allows anyone to reuse the image, even commercially (e.g. in a newspaper, a published book for sale, or even printed as a poster) and to make derivative works. That license must come from the copyright-holder, who is usually the photographer.
There are two ways the copyright-holder can provide that permission:
  1. On a publicly visible web page that is clearly under their control, they can indicate the license for the image. This can be their personal web site, a publicly visible social media post, etc. Then anyone (including you) can link that page as the source and upload the image.
  2. They can go through the process outlined at COM:VRT, in which they send a confidential email offering the license. They can identify the image as "Genlin.jpg", the team at VRT will know what that means. Once correct permission is received and processed (which may take weeks), the file will be undeleted. Might take a little longer if the email is in Chinese, but there are people on the team who can read that. (And, of course, once undeleted, the authorship should be corrected.)
Do please read COM:VRT, which explains how you can do this in the future without getting the picture deleted along the way. Jmabel ! talk 03:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Thank you @Jmabel Your pointers are very clear, which bring me to think that it may be easier for me to upload other images that I have exclusive rights to, and those that have not been published elsewhere. In that case the image would not need to undergo the processes you pointed out.
Another related question if you may enlighten me. Am I in fact uploading images at the wrong place? I'm referring to images being usable on a Wiki page, which is my ultimate purpose. That does not require it to be a commons image, or am I wrong? EAWDA (talk) 03:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@EAWDA: If you are not the photographer, you would need to demonstrate why you have "exclusive rights". You'd need to go through COM:VRT yourself to establish with them the basis on which you own exclusive rights to photos you did not take. (The correspondence would be confidential; VRT is a small team of highly trusted, experienced volunteers.)
Yes, Commons is generally the best place to upload images for Wikipedia. Any image on Commons can readily be used on Wikipedia in any language; if you upload directly to a Wikipedia in a particular language, only that Wikipedia can use the image. Some of the Wikipedias (including English) have a limited ability to host certain images that are not "free enough" for Commons and are needed in their articles, but that allowance is usually quite limited (e.g. the English-language Wikipedia generally will not host images of living people on that basis). - Jmabel ! talk 04:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@Jmabel Understood, and based on what you said it would appear to me that only a photographer of an image can effect the licenses of it for it to be usable on Wiki Commons. That bar seems to have been set incredibly high as it disregards commercially "sold" usage rights of an image. An example would be that if John Doe commissions a photographer to take portraits of John, and released all the rights of usage exclusively to John, John or his associates would still not be permissible to upload an image of him on Wiki Commons without it being taken down. I am quite new to Wiki so I may be stating the obvious here.
Also, I've done all the required steps to qualify as auto-confirmed user (over 4 days registration plus having done over 10 edits) but am still pending that status. I am trying to figure out why that is and I do see they have different requirements for different language Wikipedia, for example I remember seeing the Chinese Wikipedia page requiring users to be registered for over 5 days and done over 50 edits or something. I wonder if it is because when I registered I was on Wikipedia's Chinese page (even though all the info I filled in was in English) and that I was assigned to follow the Chinese Wikipedia requirements? EAWDA (talk) 08:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Your Commons account was created on 1 July. That’s the time you first visited Commons while logged in. The “confirmation period” started that day. --Geohakkeri (talk) 08:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@Geohakkeri Sorry I was referring to my Wikipedia account. EAWDA (talk) 08:47, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
@EAWDA: Each language's Wikipedia is a separate project. As you can see at Special:CentralAuth/EAWDA, you have only made two edits to English Wikipedia, so you aren't yet autoconfirmed on English Wikipedia. --bjh21 (talk) 09:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

"disregards commercially sold usage rights", etc.: sort of. If there is a written transfer of copyright, that can be sent to VRT. Anything less than that exposes legitimate reusers to an unacceptable risk. Consider the following scenario: you claim rights over a photo that "Photographer X" took. You upload to Commons and grant a license. "Magazine Y" uses the photo, conforming to your granted license. Photographer X threatens to sue Magazine Y for copyright infringement. Where does that leave them? - Jmabel ! talk 18:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hallo,

wir möchten vorschlagen, das Firmenlogo im Artikel Werder Feinkost zu aktualisieren. Das aktuelle Logo entspricht nicht mehr dem offiziellen Firmenlogo. Das neue Logo wurde bereits auf Wikimedia Commons hochgeladen Das neue Logo ist das offizielle Logo der Firma und wird auf unserer Website und in allen Marketingmaterialien verwendet. Könnte bitte ein Administrator den Schreibschutz aufheben oder das Logo direkt im Artikel aktualisieren?

Vielen Dank für Ihr Verständnis

Werder Feinkost Werder Feinkost GmbH (talk) 07:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hallo Werder Feinkost GmbH,
das ist hier in Wikimedia Commons eigentlich falsch, weil es um eine Artikelbearbeitung in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia geht. Ich habe das aber kurz erledigt. Einen "Schreibschutz" konnte ich bei dem Artikel übrigens nicht erkennen, den kann man ganz normal bearbeiten. Für deutschsprachige Anfragen ist hier übrigens prinzipiell das Commons:Forum besser. Gruß --Rosenzweig τ 07:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for trimming video

Is there any template that is similar to {{Remove border}} (which redirects from {{Crop video}}) that will crop not the border around the edges of a video, but marks that a video should be trimmed at a certain point? I have a video that I'm uploading now with Video2Commons that has some acceptable material for the first 5:50 or so, but the last 2:20 or so has some copyrighted work and it needs to be removed. I'm not that great with video, so I can't do it myself. :/ Any guidance on where I can post this request once the video has been converted and uploaded? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 12:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Said video just finished uploading: File:Eels (2013-04-25, Le Trianon, Paris, FR).webm. If someone could be kind enough to cut it off at 5:50-ish before they introduce the song at the end, that would be appreciated. Once that bit is gone, I'll embed it in Wikipedia. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
IDK if there's a template, but you could post a request at Commons:Graphic Lab/Video and sound workshop. —CalendulaAsteraceae (talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Merci. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Credit for uploading photo

Do you get credited for uploading photo? SloanBruce (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@SloanBruce: that question is a bit unclear. (1) The file page on Commons indicates what account uploaded it. (2) If you are the photographer and choose a license that requires that you be credited, you should be credited whenever the photo is used. (3) If you upload a photo that was created and licensed by someone else, then there is no requirement that reusers credit you for having uploaded it to Commons. (4) It is permissible to create one or more hidden user categories that apply to your uploads. (5) Your uploads (you have none, so far) will all be visible at Special:ListFiles/SloanBruce, which you can access from the "Unloads" link on the top nav (assuming you don't use some exotic skin that moves it elsewhere).
Does that answer your question, or did you mean something else? - Jmabel ! talk 23:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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