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Help identify the players
editAmazing work you do. See: File:Hartford_Blues_football_team_in_1926.png and don't forget to add your crops to their Wikidata entry. See: Furlong Flynn. Are you going to add Wikidata entries for some of the other players? I also recommend using Familysearch to get full birth and death dates, registration and use is free. RAN (talk) 13:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Though so far I only know Flynn, Dally and Keenan (and Keenan was fairly easy due to him being twice as wide as everyone else!) - I suspect far right, bottom row could be Dutch Webber, and top row, sixth from the left is probably George Mulligan (or possibly Jack Keogh), although I am not completely sure for either. I might be able to identify some of the others soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:54, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- (Notes to self) - according to Pro Football Archives/PFR, their were 37 players + the coach and owner, so that means there were 19 people who had been on the team that year not in the picture. Images of players in the Hartford Courant from that year to look at: [1] [2]
[3][4] [5] [6][7] [8][9] [10] [11] [12][13][14] - Likely not in picture: Jack Bonadies (left team in November), Eddie Barnikow (left team in October) ... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:40, 18 April 2023 (UTC) - Looking at [15], I am now sure that Dutch Webber is far right, bottom row, especially since he is the only one in the picture with a mustache. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:43, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Uploaded the crop, although I can't seem to find how to add it to WikiData, so I'd appreciate if you could help me with that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Looks like sixth from the left, bottom row, is Grattan O'Connell per this image. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Based on this, it seems bottom row, far left is coach Jack Keogh. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:41, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Top row, sixth from the left appears to be owner George Mulligan. I believe this for several reasons: (1) this article from 1952 includes a picture of him that looks like it is the guy in the photo and (2) everyone else in the picture is in football uniform, and the only two that could possibly not be wearing a uniform would be coach Jack Keogh and Mulligan; and Keogh has been identified in another place in the picture. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Based on this, it seems bottom row, far left is coach Jack Keogh. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:41, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Looks like sixth from the left, bottom row, is Grattan O'Connell per this image. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Uploaded the crop, although I can't seem to find how to add it to WikiData, so I'd appreciate if you could help me with that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- If you want to make an educated guess you can add in "most likely John Doe" or "possibly John Doe" depending on how sure you feel, you can always change them later when you get more info. What is up with that guy trying to delete all your files? Did you have any interactions with him before? Sometimes if you piss people off, they retaliate by nominating a chunk of your entries for deletion. I had that happen several times to me, they give you a punitive audit, and question every image until they get tired. I had one guy nominate every image I loaded by saying "out of scope" after arguing at English Wikipedia. --RAN (talk) 19:23, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- I sent you an email discussing it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:44, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- When you do the crop of the image with multiple people, don't forget to remove the categories of the people no longer in the image, in the cropped version. --RAN (talk) 22:51, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for these images and for the 1892 Biddle vs. Livingstone football game article. The X (Twitter) source for the photos seems to imply that they depict the 1892 teams -- but the Biddle one is probably from 1913, as indicated elsewhere [16][17][18] and by what appears to be " '13 " painted on the football in the center. As for the Livingstone photo, the football bears two numerals which are rounded at the bottom (looks to me like '06, but probably not '92). --T. Cadwallader Phloog (talk) 14:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm...it seems your right. What do you suggest be done about the photos/article? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:10, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- I went ahead and requested renaming of the photos to reflect the correct years. (That the Livingstone photo is from 1906 is verified at [19].) For WP, my first thought is to remove the images from the 1892 game article and add the 1913 Biddle one to w:Biddle football, 1910–1919. T. Cadwallader Phloog (talk) 23:09, 25 January 2024 (UTC)