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Jcb (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hi @Chappsnet - first, thanks a lot for your uploads on commons, especially regarding Pompeii! The descriptions you've written about your images are very informative and precise. Maybe you've noticed already that I've modified some of the categories you've assigned. This is because there are certain guidelines regarding categories which are quite difficult to handle. One important rule is trying to avoid "Overcategorisation". This is a twofold rule: (1) try to apply the most specific category, and (2) don't add "parent" or "ancestor" categories of those most specific categories. For example: your upload Lararium (household shrine) in the thermopolium of Lucius Vetutius Placidus.jpg fits a specific category for that very fresco: Irelli-Aoyagi-De Caro-Pappalardo 040 (strange name, i didn't introduce it...). That category itself belongs to the categories Category:Pompeii and Category:Fresco (you'll need to follow the "ancestor line" some steps "up" to reach them). Thus, after applying Irelli-Aoyagi-De Caro-Pappalardo 040 to your file, there's no more need for Category:Pompeii and Category:Fresco. There are tools and search queries that include child / parent categories, so it's possible to find them even if they don't have those parent categories assignes directly.

Regarding Pompeii, most of the prominent ancient roman villas already have their category (check Regiones of Pompeii and it's children). Inside those "building" categories, most of the prominent artworks have their respective specific category, too. Instead of adding Category:Pompeii to those files where specific categories exist, it may be useful to add a date-specific category. Regarding Pompeii, we haven't created monthly categories yet, but it's possible to assign categories by year, in your case 2024 in Pompeii. Have a nice day! Fl.schmitt (talk) 19:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Whew! That isn’t easy to digest. I do try to find categories for specific houses or other locations in Pompeii, but many of them are missing. And that ‘Irelli-Aoyagi’ category is … what is that? That appears to be someone’s name - shouldn’t that be fixed in some way, so that more people can find it? Notably, I was unable to find a category for Pompeiian frescos. How can I tell if these odd categories exist, if they don’t show up in a search … or if they’re so oddly named that it’s impossible to know *how* to search for them? This now seems quite daunting.

BTW, someone kept reverting a change I made where I swapped out an old, oddly colored photo of the fresco of the Pompeii amphitheater riot, with one I took just a few weeks ago (and color checked against the fresco itself); the person said the change wasn’t needed. But it very much was. I’m also determined to swap out one photographer’s fresco images, if I or others have replacements, because he turned the colors in his fresco photos *neon*, and those photos have trickled out of Wikipedia into online articles, etc., giving people the absolute incorrect impression about Roman pigments (I do digital reconstruction of Roman sculpture, and work in the arena of ancient pigments, so it’s a big deal). SIGH. I’ll keep trying to find the right categories. When in doubt, I won’t use them. Thanks. Chappsnet (talk) 06:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, replacing files once uploaded is in fact a problem on Commons. Maybe asking at the Village pump in specific cases could solve the issue. Regarding how to find the most specific categories: you're right, this isn't easy, too. Usually, i try a simple google search using the Villa's "common" name (you may restrict results to the english wikipedia, Commons or Wikidata using site:en.wikipedia.org, site:commons.wikimedia.org or site:www.wikidata.org in the google search field). Wikipedia or Wikidata pages should contain a link to the respective commons category. Another way is starting from Category:Regiones of Pompeii and "climbing down" the hierarchy to the region and insula. The "Ruggiero addresses" (e.g. "I.8.8" for the Thermopolium of Vetutius Placidus) could be used as search criterion, too.

Regarding the Irelli-Aoyagi categories: those categories seem to refer to a japanese (!) version of the book "Pompeian Painting". Generally, it isn't a bad idea to use such a reference work, since it allows to precisely reference single works - but as far as i see, that book isn't available in libraries outside Japan, so you can't add missing categories / images in a simple way...

Anyway - please keep up your great work and don't mind if I (or others) modify the categories you've assigned :-) Fl.schmitt (talk) 09:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Whew! Well, I certainly don’t mind anyone modifying the categories I assign. That Japanese reference should never have been used. I use the official MANN (Naples Archaeological Museum) reference, and I have a full list of the houses of Pompeii, their multiple names (always confusing), their region, house, etc. Unfortunately, many do not show up within the categories available. Of course, they could be hiding within that Japanese category set. I wish the categories for Pompeii could be cleaned up - use the official Italian and/or English names, which is what’s done within the archaeological world. I was just on one of the Pompeii excavations last month, having a discussion about just this issue. The newer houses that are being uncovered don’t really have official names yet - just region and house number. The rooms that I’ve photographed, and have just been unveiled, are going by the names of the Black Room and the Blue Room. OK, well, I’ll be adding more pics later today and will try to find just the right specific categories. Chappsnet (talk) 14:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the houses: There's a "flat list" of houses in Pompeii, mostly using the official (i hope) Italian or English name: Houses in Pompeii by name as well as lists by regio - some of the categories listed there are simple redirects, so it's possible to create differently named categories for the same house (one English, one Italian). In the past, I tried to follow either the naming at pompeiiinpictures.com or other sources like the DAI's Arachne DB.

Regarding the frescoes, esp. the in situ ones: is there a standardized way to reference them? For the MANN collection, I think the inventory number would be the best choice, but how to handle the in situ frescoes? For inscriptions, we have different templates (e.g., {{EDCS}} or {{EDR}}) which automatically links to the respective DB. But is there something similar regarding the frescoes? Fl.schmitt (talk) 16:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the [1]http://pompeiiinpictures.com site is a great resource for official and alternate house names and their regio/house/room numbers. As for the in-situ frescoes (and other items), let me ask my friend, an archaeologist who works at Pompeii. I’ll find out asap. Chappsnet (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the archaeologists don’t have a system for identifying the exact in-situ fresco. They use the known regio/house/room ID system, and then sometimes ‘add a cardinal point to the descriptor, should we need to’. PiP (pompeiiinpictures) does pretty much the same thing. Chappsnet (talk) 17:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

p.s. Not sure how to handle a situation here, with a user who keeps reverting changes I made to the Pompeii amphitheater page. I just replaced the fresco image, which was very old, low res, and had poor colors with a new high-res one, which was color-matched to the original fresco in the MANN. I also cleaned up the text under the photo to make it more accurate. This one guy keeps reverting the change and saying ‘not an improvement’. Unbelievable. It’s the thirs tome he’s done this - and that old freco photo needs to be replaced, as it’s very poor quality. Chappsnet (talk) 15:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh - i see... that's a disappointing experience, one of Wikipedia's downsides... Most important: don't let you draw into an "edit war". In such cases (even it's hard), try to assume good faith on the other's part. Try to discuss the issue on the user's talk page. Ok, this completely depends on the other part's willingness to take part in a discussion, and it's hard if the disputed modification is obviously an article improvement; but it's an important step. Another option is starting a discussion on the page's talk page. This allows other users to take part of the discussion, maybe solving the dispute. Fl.schmitt (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I’ve left a message on that user’s talk page, with no response. I wasn’t aware that there would be one for the amphitheater page, so I’ll add one there as well. Very frustrating. I’m assuming he or someone he knows probably posted that many years ago, as there’s no other reason for defending an badly optimized image that’s not even 1000 pixels at its max width. Thanks! Chappsnet (talk) 19:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I finally received a *very* prickly reply from the user that kept reverting my edits. Turns out that he has a very long history of reverting edits across the breadth of Wikipedia (he has over 40 talk pages filled with people who became angry at his reverts). I think there's some mental health issues, as he seems to think he's the only authority on every issue. But he finally crankily said 'Just do what you want - I don't care'. OK - hoping the new image stays put. Bananas. Chappsnet (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Sigh. I may be done here. This guy has targeted my edits for reversions, particularly the one where I’ve attempted to replace the old low-res photo of the fresco of the Pompeii amphitheatre with my newer image. He’s even somehow got me into trouble with the Wikipedia powers-that-be. I see from his history that he’s managed to do this to dozens, if not hundreds of other edits over the years, and enraged a *lot* of people. I was just here to donate my professional time, images, and expertise. I do this for a living, providing photos and art of archaeological sites and antiquities, and now it seems likely that I might lose my Wikipedia account because of this guy. There seems no way to stop him, and since I have a life, I have no interest in dealing with people like him. What a huge disappointment. I was asked to provide these images and do edits by several scholars who wanted to see these pages cleaned up. It’ll have to be someone else, I guess … Chappsnet (talk) 17:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I think there's only a very little risk to lose your WP account - but you should take a step back. It isn't your task to "stop" anyone, that's the task of administrators and other Wikipedians with "special" privileges. As I wrote: Try to avoid "edit wars" - there's no use in it. In my opinion, providing content on Commons is at least as important as modifying any of the different Wikipedia's. Files on Commons can be used in many different places - other Wikipedia's, gallery pages on commons, Wikidata and so on, even on webpages outside Wikipedia, other projects like OpenStreetMap or even in printed publications. Regarding changes on the English Wikipedia: your modifications are still (back) on-line, and I expect them to stay and be useful for other users. If someone reverts them, don't re-revert, but start a discussion - either on the page's talk page or (for example) on the talk page of Portal:Ancient Rome. If your (proposed) modifications are accepted as useful improvements by other active WP users, it's very unlikely that they get reverted. Fl.schmitt (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I’ve already stepped back. I’m very disappointed that the admins have never tackled this guy, given the multi-year abuse that he’s heaped on other users. Unfortunately, there are several critical pages which will retain low res, poorly color adjusted photos of frescoes until someone tells him to step back. I did try to discuss with him and sent him nice notes explaining my intent, but he told me where to stick it. Pleasant guy. This bad experience almost caused me to delete my content and account - I really don’t like interacting with trolls and have loads more projects to spend time on. I do appreciate your patience and your kind words and guidance. I’ll see how I feel next week - I have an absolute ton of high res photos to add, if he doesn’t start flaming my Commons account. Chappsnet (talk) 02:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)