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My formal name is James L. Woodward, but I prefer to be called "Jim"

one plus another one for your opinionEdit

Hiya Jim: Trying to clear through more DNs, found Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dictionary through lens.JPG that one which I'd appreciate your opinion. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that, would you take a look at [1] this one please? I'd appreciate a second opinion. Face-smile.svg Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:50, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kill Me y su cuchillo..JPGEdit

And File:Kill Me..JPG? --Ezarateesteban 16:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

  • ✓ Done Thank you. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 19:39, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

please undelete Rodolfo Antonio Mendez VargasEdit

Dear Jim, let me explain to you why I think you are confused. The first time I open an account in wikipedia was to post this article, so when I create the account I was thinking the name of my account should be the name of the person I was writing, reason by which I put the name of my father Rodolfo Antonio Mendez Vargas ( I am Pedro Mendez Carvajal, his son). The person who appears in the portrait, and other pictures, the artist is my father, it is not me!. The pictures you separated in the group that I am allowed to post, are taken by me personally. The pictures where the artist is holding his own art was taken by my grandfather (both my grandfather and my father, passed away). The pictures were passed to me directly from my father, who received from my grandfather. I am Rodolfo Mendez's son, and I am grandson of Jose Guillermo Mendez (who took the pictures where my father is). My father Rodolfo Antonio Mendez Vargas passed away in 2004, if you check the article I wrote about him, you will see that he has a death date, otherwise, I would be a ghost writing here ;-)..could you please help me with this? I am trying to illustrate this article to have good information for the public. Please apologies for the mistakes but I am new here, let me know what to do. Thank you very much.--Rodolfo Antonio Méndez Vargas (talk) 23:08, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Good, thank you. For the images of the artwork, you need to send a license to OTRS explaining that you are the heir. For the photographs -- in all cases where your grandfather is the photographer -- you also need to send a license to OTRS explaining that you are the heir of the photographer. These two things can be done in one message. If there are any photographs for which none of the three of you was the photographer, they require a license from the actual photographer or his heirs. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:44, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


Hello James,
About Commons:Deletion requests/Nyctiprogne, I must confess that I am quite confused.

  • We clearly don't do this kind of redirect in biology. It should be suppressed.
  • you said yourself that you don't do biology.
  • you summary of vote closure is weid: if an external site has a link to Nyctiprogne, he will think we have 2 pictures for this genus. Sadly those pictures belong to another genus. That is bad.
  • 2 or 3 persons were for the suppression and only you against

So can you explain me more what happened?
I am a wikilover contributor. I would hate to have to ask biologists contributors I known to get involved in such a petty thing.
Best regards Liné1 (talk) 19:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Indeed, it is a petty thing. The redirect has been in place for ten years. It harms nobody and may be helpful to outsiders who stumble on it while looking for images. At the DR, I said my piece and left it. The DR stayed open for almost a month and finally was closed by one of our colleagues who apparently agreed with me that when pages have been in place since very early in Commons history, they should be left, unless there is a compelling reason to delete them. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 21:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Undeletion request regarding the following filesEdit

File:Bavaria S.A..png File:Unidad Nacional para la Gestión del Riesgo de Desastres.jpg File:COTECMAR.png File:Migracion Colombia.png

Though you're right about the Commons:Threshold_of_originality#Colombia not being particularly clear on the translation, other files in wikimedia, in this case of a Colombian based company and an NGO of Colombia, are submitted with the {{PD-textlogo}}

File:Colombian Red Cross Logo.svg and File:Avianca Logo 2013.png

If those submissions are similar to mine, I want my uploads to be reconsidered.

Yours sincerely, Andres Felipe Carrillo 11:54 02 MAY 2015 (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andres Felipe Carrillo (talk • contribs) 15:53, 2 May 2015‎ (UTC)

  • As a courtesy to other editors, it is a Commons guideline to sign your posts on talk pages, deletion requests, undeletion requests, and noticeboards. To do so, simply add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your comments. Your user name or IP address (if you are not logged in) and the date will then automatically be added along with a timestamp when you save your comment. Signing your comments helps people to find out who said something and provides them with a link to your user/talk page (for further discussion). Thank you. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

The appropriate place for this discussion is at Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:Bavaria_S.A..png, not here. I've already given my comment there.

File:Colombian Red Cross Logo.svg has nothing in it that is not PD -- the Red Cross itself is over 150 years old and is long out of copyright, if it ever had one -- the laws were different then. The Avianca logo may well be a copyvio. The fact that other stuff exists is never a valid argument -- my best guess is that around 1% of the files on Commons -- over a quarter of a million files -- should be deleted for copyvio or other reasons. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Please lend me your rhino-hide coat againEdit

Hiya Jim: It's even full moon. Please see [2] when you have a moment. I think this sound effect goes really well with the situation. Cheers and thanks. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:41, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Carlisle Military SchoolEdit

Please tell me why a photo taken of a roadside marker violates any copyright? If there is a copyright on the historical data displayed I know of none - that data is in the public domain, much of it since 1892. The photo was taken by me. I am at a loss on how to disprove a negative dealing with Wiki editors. With no known copyright, how can I reference one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SandHills (talk • contribs) 18:00, 5 May 2015‎ (UTC)

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With some exceptions (detailed below), every created work -- art, architecture, music, and text -- has a copyright when it is created. Note that bare facts are not themselves copyrighted, but text used to express those facts is. Just as you cannot copy a book without a license, you cannot copy any other copyrighted text without a license. Historical markers are primarily text, so, as a general rule they cannot be kept on Commons unless one of these exceptions apply:

1) They were placed by the US Federal Government or the governments of Florida and California, all of whose works are PD.
2) They are in the USA and were placed:
a) before 1923,
b) before 1964 and there was no notice or the copyright was not renewed, or
c) before March 1, 1989 and there was no notice.

As I noted at Commons:Deletion requests/File:SCHistMkr.jpg the marker deleted there must be later than 1977 because it mentions that date on its face. There is no copyright notice on the marker, so, if was placed before March 1, 1989, it is PD. If placed after that date it is under copyright and will be until at least 2060. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 18:45, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Undelete of logo wydawnictwo skrzatEdit

ORTS sent by CEO of Wydawnictwo skrzat - for publish only - but file has already been deleted (1 day after upload, there was no discusion nor time to send orts), worried that ORTS will fail since file already has been deleted. Should I upload it again ?

edit: noticed that most of polish publishers and companies are afraid to post their logos on their wiki pages - are those beein deleted aswell ? --Vanwartith (talk) 09:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The system is certainly not perfect. Please remember that Commons gets more than 10,000 new images every day. More than 1,500 of those are deleted, mostly for copyright violation. 15 Admins do 90% of that work. OTRS is also badly understaffed and may run a backlog of up to a month. Note also that Commons rules call for immediate deletion of obvious copyright violations such as this one.
It is never necessary or permitted to upload an image a second time. We never actually delete anything -- it is merely marked so that it can be seen only by Administrators. After the license sent to OTRS is reviewed, the image will be restored. I note you say "for publish only" -- if the license is not a free license for use by anyone anywhere including commercial use, then it will not be acceptable. Note also that "commercial use" is not as bad as it sounds. Trademark law would prevent a competitor from using a logo, but "commercial use" allows putting it in a textbook, or on a tee shirt.
I do not understand your second paragraph. If they are afraid to post them, then how is it they are there? .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 09:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


Jim: I was asked to add categories to uploaded pictures. How should I proceed to do so?? Thanks!!

--Adyouteam (talk) 21:21, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

There's a pretty good explanation at Commons:Categories. Basically, you figure out what categories you want and then ad [[Category:ABCD]] to the bottom of the file description.
Although Commons categories and those on the various Wikipedias are far from identical, it is often helpful to look at the cats on WP and use the same or similar ones on Commons.
I have started you off by creating a new Category:Liz Solari, so, actually, you don't need to add anything more to the individual images, although you could. You do need to fill out the categories at Category:Liz Solari.
At the WP:EN article on her we have:
As you see from the red links, only three of these actually exist on Commons, but I'm sure some of the others are also here with slightly different names, for example: Category:Actresses from Argentina. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:17, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Questions about "Taylor Davis" page being shutted downEdit

Good evening mr.Jim

My name is Giovanni, nice to meet you. I noticed that you canceled the Taylor Davis page I tried to create today, so this means I made mistakes somewhere. I thought that I respected all the rules, but something did not work. You left this motivation : "Empty or single image gallery - please see Common:Galleries". I gave a look as you suggested, but could not understand where I was wrong. I worked on several articles on Wikipedia, but this was my first article on Commons. Since I am "new" here, would you be so gentle to explain me precisely where I did wrong, and what procedure I need to follow for making things in a good way? Any suggestion is truly appreciated. Looking forward to your answer. My regards. Giovanni Armocida (talk) 13:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giovanni Armocida (talk • contribs) 20:18, 8 May 2015‎ (UTC)

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Wikimedia Commons is a repository for media files -- images, videos, and music. It is not a place for articles -- they belong in the various Wikipedias. Commons Galleries are all the pages on Commons that do not have a prefix such as "User:", "Commons:", "File", "Category:" and so forth. Galleries are intended for collections of files on a particular subject, and are not for articles. They must always have more than one image and usually have more than five. They may have a very brief -- usually one sentence -- description of the subject.
So, Taylor Davis was a problem for two reasons -- it had only one image and it had more text than is usual in a Gallery. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:34, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the quick response. Next time I will follow your advices. Giovanni Armocida (talk) 13:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

File:DPD logo-red 2015.pngEdit

I'd uploaded this file, because there was a problem on file renaming site. The File:DPD logo.png han an error inside -- the graphic was missing, but the description contaiment still existed. I was trying to fix the error and restore it. But if you'd like to delete both of these files, there's no problem. Have a nice day :-) Wieralee (talk) 10:58, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

  • ✓ Done Thanks. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:03, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

File:Ruta N medellin.JPGEdit

Hi Jim. I just reviewed this old file, and uploaded the Flickr high-res original. The first upload was done by sockmaster Yair Mesa, and has his EXIF rather than than the legitimate EXIF of the author. Yair Mesa may have photographed a screenshot, etc. Can you delete that first revision to avoid any confusion due to having metadata from 2 different Cameras? INeverCry 21:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

I was just thinking this might make it look like I reviewed my own upload. Perhaps just hiding the thumb would be better? INeverCry 21:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
✓ Done I generally do not delete earlier versions -- just hide them. I also checked flickr and changed the flickrreview so there would be no question of your reviewing your own upload. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 09:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

On that subjectEdit

The one relating to this I was just wondering if you had looked at CA? Just for info if not. Best --Herby talk thyme 17:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Long time, no talk. I hope you and yours are well?
No, I had not, thank you. I added that to the DR -- I don't think that makes them a {{speedy}}, do you? .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Above my pay grade that sort of decision! --Herby talk thyme 10:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Additional shed load of out of scope pages today FWIW --Herby talk thyme 06:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Blocked him for a week. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:21, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Rıfat BalabanEdit

Hi Jim. We sent, in 10 days, an email to permission-tr stating her permission of the usage of the pictures--Gemalmaz ileti 14:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

OTRS, like Commons, is all volunteers, and, also like Commons, is very badly understaffed. The backlog there often runs weeks, or even months. Assuming the license is correct, the image will be restored when it reaches the front of the queue. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:53, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

This User ImagesEdit

Dear Admin Woodward,

Can you determine if any of these uploaded images are free? No source is given. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your help. I couldn not find the images either. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Nederlandsche VogelenEdit

Hi James,

could you please put the page Nederlandsche Vogelen back, you just deleted? I am working on it. I want to make tables of the images of all five volumes in separate pages. The images of this very important book in the history of ornithology are recently donated by the Royal Dutch Library.

Greetings, Dick Bos (talk) 11:53, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Nederlandsche Vogelen/Vol. 1 is marginal as a Commons gallery -- galleries should be in gallery format, not tables, but I see its value, so I left it. However Nederlandsche Vogelen is not a gallery, it is an article about the book. Commons galleries are for collections of images, articles belong in the Wikipedias, not on Commons. I suggest you read Commons:Galleries, particularly Starting a gallery (3).
When you have all the volumes up, you might create a disambiguation page at Nederlandsche Vogelen that directed readers to the several volumes. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Dear Jim, I created the page again, and now added the first cover images etc. that I want to add. Please don't remove again without discussion! I always enjoy to get positive feedback on my talk page, of course. As English is not my native language, there may be language errors, etc. Friendly greetings, Dick Bos (talk) 15:35, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Fotos Azi WolfensonEdit

Estimado James Hice unos comentarios en el siguiente link User_talk:Ellin_Beltz#Fotos_borradas_de_Azi_Wolfenson_Ulanowski en el cual expongo el porque las fotos si pertenecen al Sr. Azi Wolfenson y el me autorizo a su uso mediante una carta, la cual me gustaría hacercela llegar. Le agradecería se tomara el tiempo en revisarlas y darme su opinion. --Edwinjcb (talk) 21:35, 20 May 2015 (UTC) edwinjcb

I have commented there, but please follow Ellin's and my instructions and have all of this discussion at the DRs, not on her talk page or here on mine. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Puzzling problem with this image: File:The Redhead Express performing onstage at the Chasco Fiesta event in Florida, in 2015.jpgEdit

Hi Jim,

I recently uploaded the file that you can see in the headline, and the author sent in the formal declaration of consent today, but I just heard from him, and he says that an OTRS volunteer told him that the file lacked EXIF data. That really is a mystery. Could it be that something went wrong while running the program that reported no EXIF data? Sean Walker (the owner of the image) is practically the official photographer of the Redhead Express band, especially when they are on the road. He's quite a skilled photographer and videographer, and a brother of the girls. He is the legitimate author of that picture. Therefore, could you please examine the image independently to see if you find EXIF data? If the actual file on Commons doesn't have that data, then please examine the source I provided on the file page, which is from their Facebook fan page. I really do think that at least one of the two versions of that image must have EXIF data. I would be very grateful if you could take a moment to do me that favor. As always, thanks for all your help and your hard work here at Commons. Dontreader (talk) 20:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Unlike the other Redhead Express image that I uploaded from Facebook (also taken by Sean Walker), this one is categorized on Facebook as a "mobile upload", so I wonder if that might explain the problem. Thanks again. Dontreader (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
My initial reactions is, "So it doesn't have EXIF data, so what?" None of my own photographs on Commons have EXIF data, primarily because I use an old version of Corel PhotoPaint as my editor -- I'm comfortable with it, so why upgrade?
I've put a note on the OTRS ticket. OTRS is badly backlogged and it's possible the volunteer was simply working too fast. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:46, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
The uploaded image was identical to one on a Facebook page. I have no personal knowledge that the Facebook page is official and controlled by the subject. For all I know, it may be a fan site. Even if official, I have handled dozens of permissions requests where the uploader has simply found an image on the internet, assumed that made it fair game and uploaded it. Those uploads invariably do not have EXIF data. Having EXIF is not a requirement, but when it is missing it raises a question. The fact that the email came from an address that appears related to the band is a plus, but I had no idea the photographer was associated with the band. It wasn't stated in the original email, and while editors knowledgeable about the subject matter may know this, I did not. I thought it was worth asking a question, to find out if the person sending the upload was connected with the band. I'm puzzled that the person didn't simply explain that to me. I'm headed out the door and away from a computer until Sunday.--Sphilbrick (talk) 11:27, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
That's the unfortunate part of being so backlogged both here and on OTRS -- we're all working fast and can't give the kind of personal service that would really be appropriate. If we had more active OTRS volunteers, Sphilbrick would have been able to devote a little more time to this, and he might have gone to the band's WP:EN article and noticed the "Walker" names.
Dontreader, I'm going to leave this for Stephen to sort out on Sunday when he returns, but I think it will be fine. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Jim, for your kind and helpful reply. I have seen many images nominated for deletion in which the argument "no EXIF data" is used as part of the deletion rationale. One big problem is that I'm extremely ignorant when it comes to software-related terms such as metadata, EXIF data, etc. When I nominate pictures for deletion it's because I believe they are out of scope or I have found them on several sites even though the uploader has claimed "own work". But I am a peasant here, quite frankly. I wrongly assumed that all pictures lacking EXIF data were scanned from magazines or from other sources, and that the scanning process destroyed EXIF data. Now you've told me that your own pictures here on Commons don't have EXIF data, which I never could have imagined.
Also, I should have provided more information in my own letter to Commons after I uploaded that picture, which I have done with other letters for other pictures, to make the verification process easier for the volunteer. I know that you are all trying your best to make sure that copyright infringement does not take place, and I do appreciate that very much. Sadly, as we all know, countless people find cool pictures on the Internet and then they upload them claiming "own work", so it's unrealistic to assume good faith beyond a certain degree, and therefore I think it's necessary to ask questions sometimes, as Sphilbrick did in this case. I told Sean Walker what to say in his reply, and to let me know when he had replied, but after a few hours not hearing back from him I got nervous and I decided to write to you, and I'm very glad I did, as on previous occasions for other matters. I would have written on Sphilbrick's talk page instead, but I had no clue who the volunteer was. Sean simply told me that there was a problem because EXIF data was missing, and I was bewildered. I will write to Sphilbrick now, as you suggested; I'm glad he wrote here, so I can address the issues more effectively. I do hope Sean will also reply to him soon.
Many thanks again, Jim, and I wish you a great day! Dontreader (talk) 16:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Dontreader, there are many things that go into the decision whether to nominate an image for DR or not and then how to close the DR. Lack of EXIF is certainly one of them, as most images these days do have EXIF coming out of the camera and its lack suggests that the image was lifted off the web. However EXIF was introduced only in the early 2000s, so earlier images and images processed with earlier software (such as my Corel PhotoPaint) will not have it. Also note that it is present only in JPGs and TIFFs -- it is not supported by other formats.

Small size is another indicator of problems, and, indeed, the subject image is smaller than usual camera resolution these days. But they are both only indicators and the fact that Sean Walker write from the bands domain is convincing for me.

I deliberately did not identify Sphilbrick here -- OTRS volunteers can and often do remain anonymous and he had not given his username to Sean Walker. I think this one is settled. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:02, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks, Jim, for the interesting additional information. I wonder if you could just tell me if you think the smaller resolution could be explained by the fact that the picture was taken from a cellphone. At least on the Facebook page, here, it says "From:RedHead Express's Photos in Mobile Uploads". I assume Facebook is right, but I don't know if cellphone pictures have lower resolution, although it makes sense to me. Also, as I wrote on Sphilbrick's talk page, Apryll Walker (the mother and manager of the girls) sent me that picture as an attachment, but maybe she simply lifted it off the Facebook page that has the image. She said it had been taken by Sean. I told Sean to write back to the OTRS volunteer and to attach the original picture if possible, and to briefly explain a few things, but Sean hasn't cooperated, which I find very frustrating. Anyway, if Apryll sent me the picture by merely downloading it from the Facebook page, I suppose that would easily explain the lack of EXIF data, but I'm not sure it's what she did.
To be perfectly honest, Jim, Apryll is a bit scattered, probably because she lives with seven children and two grandchildren, plus she's the girls' manager. The first time I asked her for a picture of the girls that she had taken, she sent me a picture taken by a professional photographer, from a photo shoot (I did some research and found the name of the photographer). I explained very clearly to her that she did not own that picture because she had not taken it. So I looked through their Facebook page and I found a picture attributed to Sean Walker, and I uploaded a cropped version, which worked out fine. But I hope she hasn't forgotten what I explained to her. I hope she didn't send me again a picture that belongs to someone else. As I said, she's rather scattered. I asked her last night to please confirm with Sean that it was indeed Sean that took the picture; she said that Sean was out and that she would let me know this morning. Well, I haven't heard back from her. I wrote to her again today, saying that things were looking better, but to please confirm with Sean that he took the picture, but she seems to be avoiding me. Either she feels insulted that I asked her that question, or it doesn't belong to Sean, or God knows what's going on. If they don't cooperate, I will tag the picture with speedy deletion. I'll give her until Sunday.
You have so much to do, so I'm sorry for this stupid soap opera. Sean should have replied to Sphilbrick sooner, with my instructions, and Apryll promised to write to me this morning to confirm Sean's ownership of the picture. I can't control others, you know. Thanks very much again, Jim, for your generous help. I really do appreciate it. Dontreader (talk) 20:59, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Category:Murder victims by countryEdit

Hello, Jim. That category is driving me mad. Let apart the inconsistency of its sub-categories, it is not really clear what it's referred to: either murder victims by country of origin or by the country where the murder took place? That apart, at this point wouldn't be better having two separate categories, one for the country of origin of the murdered person, the other for the country where they was murdered? -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 15:22, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand -- the subcats all seem to be based on where the murder took place (People murdered in X). I'd guess that more than 90% of the time, the nationalities of the victim and the murderer and the location where it took place will be the same. In the cases where it is different, we can certainly put the file in both countries. What am I missing? .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:19, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh well... I explain what I see as inconstent. The main category is Murder victims by country. That makes me suppose it's by country of origin. But the subcats are People murdered in country (instead of Murder victims from country) which instead makes me suppose that the victims are sub categorized by country of killing - not by origin. Hence my confusion. -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 22:17, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Ahh -- I see your question now. I think it is just a convenient shorthand -- easier than "Category:Murder victims by country where the murder took place" -- I think the shorthand is OK, given, as I said, that in the vast majority of cases the country of origin and the country where the murder took place will be the same. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:34, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
thus we may assume it's Murder victims of country of the killing ? -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 10:47, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but you wouldn't say that in English. If wanted a good proper English shorthand you could say "Murder victims by venue", but "venue" is a word that many people whose English is not good will not understand, so, as I said, I'm OK with "Murder victims by country". .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh yes I know what you mean, when I hear "venue" I think to a stadium or a sports arena or such. -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 07:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


Hi Jim, would you accept a nomination to stand as a bureaucrat? I think you would be an asset. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. Your call to action at is a refreshing ray of hope. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 09:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I've made the nomination. Can you go to BN to accept it? --MichaelMaggs (talk) 19:05, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
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