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Please restoreEdit

This cat:

-- Tuválkin 17:26, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

  Done. --JuTa 17:28, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, Category:Number 9049 on vehicles is suddenly showing in my watchlist as newly created by someone else, meaning that it was deleted before. Can you please undelete its previous revisions? -- Tuválkin 10:11, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

OK --JuTa 10:16, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Shouldn’t this be automatic, at least for categories? -- Tuválkin 20:30, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
I wouldn't know how ths should happen. PS: There are thousends of red categories - see here. --JuTa 20:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
What did you ment? I thought you were asking for automatic restore of not anymore empty cats. --JuTa 13:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I mean that previous history upon recreation of a category (not of a file) should be dully restored, either automaticly or manually (for which it would need to show up in a special hidden category or maintanance list). Past deletions and undeletions should also be visible in the file history of all categories and files: Looking at the history of Category:Number 9049 on vehicles, f.i., nobody could tell that it hasn’t been in unbroken existence since its 1st creation. -- Tuválkin 10:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
You can se that when you click on the revision history on View log for this page.There might be vandal verions deleted. Well, that happens rearly but its possible. You might like to raise something like a feature request for this likely anywhere on meta:. regards. --JuTa 12:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
OK --JuTa 12:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Sorting of new surname categoriesEdit

Hi JuTa, follow-up on empty surname category discussion. I finally built this list of new surname cat requiring special categories. I would appreciate your comments, in particular regarding:

Any other comment is welcome.

On a separate topic, there is a need to clarify handling of nobiliary particles, such as (amongst others):

Af	af	Al	Ben	Da	Dal	dal	de	De	Del	del	Della	Dello	den	Den	der	des	Di	di	dos	Du	du	El	La	la	Le	le	Mac	O	St	Van	van	Von	von

In some cases intermediate surname categories were created Category:St (surname) or Category:Van (surname)... IMO these are confusing more than helpful. Again, I would appreciate your opinion.

-- Laddo (talk) 00:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Laddo,
  1. Umlauts and other special characters should be sorted as their "normal" character. So your list looks fine.
  2. The Achútegui: The commons name of this person seemed to be without the special character. So I corrected that.
  3. Double names should be placed under their single names sorted with a space at the beginning: So the content of Category:Yrjö-Koskinen (surname) should be [[Category:Yrjö (surname)| Yrjo-Koskinen]] [[Category:Koskinen (surname)|| Yrjo-Koskinen]].
  4. Nobiliary particles should not be taken in account. If you find such, please correct the wikidata items. For the "Af" thing. It wasnt clear for me that this seems to be the swedish version of "of". I'll will correct them soon.
  5. About Category:Van (surname): There is minimum Lindey which just this name and its port of some vietnamese names not being a nobiliary particles.
  6. The "St" or the "La" or "Le" surname cats are a compromize solution to be able to follow "rule 3" even in those cases. These are surnames containing multiple words and any other got splitted . So I splitted these too.
regards --JuTa 05:07, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
Noted, thanks. I'll add blanks to double name sorting.
However I'm afraid I don't agree with such "double name" handling for Category:Le (surname) and Category:La (surname). I know from experience that, in French, articles "Le" and "La" are actually part of the name and will often end up being merged with it (e.g. Category:Le Brun (surname) and Category:Lebrun (surname)); moreover, the common usage is to sort names as if the blank space was not there, such as: ... Lebeau, Lebec, Lebel, Le Bihan‎, Leblond... The same applies to other French particles: les, de, du, des, de la, d', l'...
Thus I suggest to
  • No longer consider Le and La as forming double names;
  • Rename "particle" categories into something clearer: Category:St (surname particle) instead of Category:St (surname) for example;
  • Fix sorting to ignore spaces that follow particles (example: [[Category:Le Bihan|LeBihan]]). I can do that part.
I will await your answer. Thanks -- Laddo (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Laddo, after some thinking this sounds OK for me. If you like please go ahead. regards. --JuTa 05:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
But pls. keep Category:Le Brun (surname) and Category:Lebrun (surname) 2 seperate categories. --JuTa 05:33, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
I finished processing "Le" and "La". You may delete Category:La (surname), it's now empty. I will resume fixing "double names". -- Laddo (talk) 03:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Please note that I created Category:Surname particles to group particles used in surnames. Comments welcome as usual ;) -- Laddo (talk) 23:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

The questionEdit

Hello JuTa. Delete it, it, it and it. CalalC99 (talk) 17:30, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

  Done, next time please just use template {{speedy}} - see Commons:Deletion requests/Speedy deletion. --JuTa 17:34, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

ad-Din surname categoryEdit

Hi JuTa, I suggest that you review your recent deletion of Category:Ad-Din (surname). You broke the connection to Wikidata for an item that constitutes an important component of people's names, see w:ad-Din.

Also, to ease the update of pages recently connected to Wikidata (and their infobox), you might elect to use a nice interface gadget from the Preferences that is called UTCLiveClock (or LocalLiveClock) that supplies a handy purge link at the top right of each page.

Cheers -- Laddo (talk) 03:09, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, nobody linkted on wikidata to it is (mainly) called Ad-Din but Uddin see here. An no people using it has a commons cat. If we create it somebody called i.e. Keith Uddin would get sorted under "A" and into the cat "A-Din". I dont think thats good. Abut the clock gadget: I allready use it on commons and on wikidate I dont see any purge button coming up. regards --JuTa 04:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
I am surprised that none of the 60 names listed in w:ad-Din has a Commons category! I will double-check. Regarding the gadget, clicking anywhere on the clock label "00:45:29" triggers the purge of the current page. Cheers -- Laddo (talk) 00:47, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Most of them are called Uddin not Ad-Din, which we handle diffently here on commons. Somebody had reddirected the 2 items on wikidata. --JuTa 02:19, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Deleting linked categoriesEdit

Hi, me again. You recently deleted Category:Anitschkow (surname) and Category:Antoschkin (surname). Yet both cases were needed:

I would like to emphasize that I very carefully build up the list of 37000 surname entries - they are ALL necessary for existing Commons pages, and they are ALL linked to Wikidata items. The background process that updates categories is excruciatingly slow and it seems to take days before pages appear in proper surname categories (because it's a template that does the categorization). Yet, please, do not delete surnames categories that I created, or that SteinsplitterBot created at my request, even if they are empty, since they should not be empty.

I much appreciate your maintenance effort; we can set up a procedure to investigate together empty surname categories:

  1. Of course, check first the "What links here" tool on the left side of the suspect page
  2. Ensure that the Wikidata infobox displays information and shows the small wikidata logo and Qid (ex:   : Q655048). If not, purge the page, it should be filled
  3. Click on the WD logo or its Qid to go to the Wikidata surname item and check if an English label exists. If not, enter one (I normally use "What links here" tool on that WD surname page to see the English labels of all the persons using that surname). It takes a few days before the label reaches all WD and Commons pages using that surname, unless you manually purge them (WD pages first, then Commons ones)
  4. If there was no issue with the English WD item, then let me know and I will investigate that issue. I propose that you copy that surname category on that page: User:Laddo/surname categories to check. I would check them shortly.

Finally, be aware that I am still in the process of fixing "double surname" cases (about 450 categories), and that I will immediately after undertake fixing the sorting of names with umlauts and other special characters (about 3000). I intend to correctly finalize every surname category that was created from my initiative.

Please restore Category:Anitschkow (surname) and Category:Antoschkin (surname), along with their Wikidata item links.

Thanks again for your maintenance efforts. Laddo (talk) 13:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I currently will not restore these cats, because Anitschkow is not Anitshkov and Antoschkin is not Antoshkin. The commons categories are running under their english names and the wikidata items are linked to their german variant. That should be corrected on wikidata or the commons cats should be moved to the german variation. And yes, I allways check "what links here" on commons and wikidata. I also search for the surname on commons if I find no "what links here". --JuTa 14:35, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Laddo, inbetween I investigated the things further:
If you speak german we could continue talking in german. Perhaps you should change the interface language on commons and wikidata to english, then you see the always correct (english) names for wikidata infobox cases. regards --JuTa 18:20, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Wow, great fixes. I use English as default for both WD and Commons, along with it, fr and es. Sadly I don't speak German, and was unaware of the "tsch" vs "ch" distinction with English. Now I will do better.
I would suggest 2 improvements when moving/renaming a surname page:
  • leaving {{category redirect}} on the page with the wrong spelling (rather than deleting it), so that other users looking for the wrong spelling will know were is the right category;
  • adding property said to be the same as (P460) (or different from (P1889)) on the surname WD item, to point to the erroneous (misspelled) surname Qid. This way the other spelling becomes visible on the Commons page, in the Wikidata infobox (see Category:Adamič (surname) for a good example).
Thanks -- Laddo (talk) 23:13, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
But in these cases there is no other qid on commons. They are just different spelling of the same qid in different languages - see Antoshkin and Anichkov. There is no different Antoschkin nor Anitschkow as family name on wikidata see here and here --JuTa 02:43, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I mean to add said to be the same as (P460) only when there is another Wikidata item for the misspelled label. -- Laddo (talk) 11:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
PS: Dont forget the ending english 'ov' againt german 'ow' for translitarated kyrillic names and other differences. --JuTa 02:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I will also be careful with that. From now on, I will copy the English spelling to fr/it/is when applicable, these languages typically match "en" rather than "de". I will leave the incorrect spelling as aliases, though. Laddo (talk) 11:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

File:PEGI Discrimination old.svgEdit

 
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Niridya (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

File:PEGI Drugs old.svgEdit

 
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Niridya (talk) 19:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

File:PEGI Gambling old.svgEdit

 
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Niridya (talk) 19:51, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Delete fileEdit

Hello JuTa. File ←→ File. Delete → [1] CalalC99 (talk) 12:42, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Done, but next time please use template {{duplicate}}. --JuTa 13:05, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

File:PicnicAreaChippokes (6071133837) (2).jpgEdit

Hello,

I wanted to ask. This is the first file and the other duplicate is without the "(2)". Would it be better if the file was moved over the other one? The other be deleted and this (2) one be renamed over it? Tyler de Noche (talk) 16:27, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Normaly the older file is kept and the younger redirected. With or wthout the (2), I wouldnt matter and just mark the younger as dupe. --JuTa 18:55, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
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