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Hi MPF. I wanted to sincerely thank you for sorting out my images from the Lake Windermere. With the merganser, I got too distracted by this, where they talk only about "Red-breasted merganser". And the gull tricked me with its winter plumage. Is there a place on Wikimedia where I could ask for assistance in species identification before I make an upload? I'm only starting with wildlife photography and I'd say my knowledge of photography is better than my knowledge of zoology. Thank you again for renaming the files and sorting them into the right categories. I'll try to do a better job next time. --Podzemnik (talk) 13:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

@Podzemnik: - thanks! Glad to help :-) There is an Identification Help page on German wikipedia, or alternatively, drop me a note here when you have uploaded your photos and I'll take a look. Good luck with getting pics! - MPF (talk) 18:46, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

File:Arenaria interpres map.svgEdit

Hi MPF, Done. I changed the color. I hope it is better. If there is anything else, just tell me. --Cephas (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

I can do it easy, it's just that I like to respect what I see on the source map as much as possible. That is how it is on the source map. --Cephas (talk) 23:17, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Ping --Flominator (talk) 09:36, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Earth France 2019 a commencé !Edit

Bonjour  ,

J'ai le plaisir de vous annoncer que la cinquième édition du concours Wiki Loves Earth en France est ouverte !

Le concours concernera 368 zones de toute la France, des parcs nationaux jusqu’aux réserves naturelles régionales englobant ainsi des paysages et biotopes variés.

Pendant le mois de mai, n'hésitez pas à mettre en ligne des photos de ces zones que vous auriez sur vos disques durs ou à vous rendre dans une zone concernée près de chez vous (à l'aide de la carte). Le règlement est disponible sur la page du concours.

Les plus belles photos seront sélectionnées par un jury national composé de commonistes, d'acteurs de l'environnement et de photographes professionnels. Un jury international constituera ensuite une sélection des meilleures photographies mondiales. Vous pourrez retrouver toutes les informations détaillées sur le site du concours

P.S. : si vous ne pouvez pas participer au concours cette année, faites passer le message autour de vous pour que de nouveaux et nouvelles photographes rejoignent l'aventure !

Bonne journée, Sarah Krichen WMFr (talk) 08:58, 9 May 2019 (UTC)


Merci pour votre aide (Thanks for your Help)--Daniel Villafruela (talk) 06:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC).

Вікі любить Землю 2019 в Україні триває до 31 травня!Edit


З 1 по 31 травня триває сьомий конкурс «Вікі любить Землю» (Wiki Loves Earth), метою якого є фотографування пам'яток природи. Протягом травня ви можете завантажувати власні фото природно-заповідного фонду України та змагатися за призи. Зі списками пам'яток природи України можна ознайомитися тут. Приєднуйтеся!

Цього року є деякі зміни в правилах, зокрема:

  • фотографії пам'яток, які на момент початку конкурсу не мали жодної ілюстрації на Вікісховищі або у Вікіпедії, отримують коефіцієнт 10 в кількісній номінації. Якщо ви маєте фото ще не проілюстрованих пам'яток — це збільшить ваші шанси на перемогу;
  • окрема спецномінація для аерофотозйомки (фото з дронів тощо).

Більше інформації про конкурс читайте на сайті конкурсу. Якщо у Вас є запитання, можете звертатися wle – Оргкомітет «Вікі любить Землю» (in English). 22:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


This photo is taken in nature, and is not processed. The background comes from some yellow poster that occasionally stood behind the crow. Успіхів. Materialscientist (talk) 21:47, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Bird speciesEdit

Hi MPF! Syrio told me you are a good bird expert. Could you please identify the species of the bird in this file? File:0X4A4043s.jpg. Thank you! --Yiyi (Dimmi!) 13:33, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Grazie @Yiyi, Syrio:! It is Ardeola ralloides; I have renamed the file to File:Ardeola ralloides, Bacini di Torrile, Fascia golenale del Po.jpg - MPF (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you!! --Yiyi (Dimmi!) 16:17, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Uh! There are other three photos, if you want to identify other birds :-) Here: [1] --Yiyi (Dimmi!) 16:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
@Yiyi: - done! The new names are showing now in the linked file list :-) MPF (talk) 22:14, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Fantastic! Thanks :-) --Yiyi (Dimmi!) 22:27, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Falco tinnunculusEdit

Hi, thank you for categoryzing my picture. I write you because in the Italian description I wrote that probably the bird was a Falco tinnunculus, but I'm not able to identify it for sure, and I asked on Italian Wikipedia where someone told be it was probably that specie. I just wanted to be sure you did not just misunderstood my Italian description and you're sure about the identification. :-) --Phyrexian ɸ 07:13, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@Phyrexian: Grazie! Yes, I am certain this is Falco tinnunculus - I identified it from the photo, it is safe to exclude other Falco species (including F. naumanni) :-) MPF (talk) 10:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much! :-) --Phyrexian ɸ 18:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

File movesEdit

Hi there. I noticed you moved a few files to better filenames (thanks!), and wanted to request that you please leave a redirect when you make such moves. Names such as File:Black-Capped Chickadee (6814160625).jpg are automatically chosen by tools like Flickr2Commons in a standard way (in this case, the description title and Flickr photo ID), so by leaving a redirect the software will detect and prevent the upload of a duplicate should someone try to upload the same photo from Flickr using such tools. Mindmatrix 14:43, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Difficult problem - it doesn't matter so much perhaps in a case like this (where the idenification was correct, just the name badly typed and not very informative), but when there is a misidentification, it is very helpful to expunge the wrong identification from view, or the misidentification tends to go on getting picked up, with the redirect being added to wrong pages in various wikipedias. It was seeing this happen on several occasions that made me chose to detick redirects whenever possible. There shouldn't be a problem over duplicates, though; when I use the Flinfo tool for adding Flickr pics to Commons, if the file already exists on Commons it detects it and warns you, even when the filename is not the same as the original Flickr name. Hope this helps! - MPF (talk) 15:15, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Identified birdsEdit

Hi MPF, thanks for identifying the birds of sri lanka on my pictures. Greetings from Germany --Z thomas 19:37, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome! Let me know if there's more :-) MPF (talk) 19:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

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The right name of the birdsEdit

Thank you very much for identifying the right name of the birds. I have no knowledge about birds and used this to find a name. Regards Wouter (talk) 08:11, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Little Bustard photoEdit

--Alf.islander (talk) 20:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)== Little Bustard photo ==

I am an academic researcher working developing an educational document for a trade group, and we would love to use one of your Little Bustard photos. Unfortunately, the organization is not going to be willing to release the document under a share-alike license (although they will be making it available for free), so I'm wondering if it might be possible to make an arrangement to use the photo under another license. We have some funds available for photo licensing.

@Alf.islander: which photo do you refer to, please? You are welcome to use any or all of the photos at Category:Tetrax tetrax (and its subcategories), in accord with their Creative Commons licenses. Hope this helps! - MPF (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

The one I was hoping to use is this one:,_Castuera,_Extremadura,_Spain.jpg. My understanding was that to use something with a CC-SA license, I would normally have to be releasing my document under a SA-compatible license as well, which unfortunately I can't do. So I wanted to make sure that it's okay with you before I use it.

@Alf.islander: thanks! Unfortunately I'm not well versed enough in the details of licensing; you should be able to get a better answer by posting your query at Commons:Village pump/Copyright. - MPF (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

"Museum specimens"Edit

File:UIATF Pow Wow 2009 - Eagle Staff 01.jpg, File:UIATF Pow Wow 2009 - passing the Eagle Staff.jpg: how can objects in present-day ritual use by Native Americans be "museum specimens"? - Jmabel ! talk 16:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Jmabel: pretty safe to say the items will be stored in museum conditions (to preserve them intact from damage or decay) when not in actual use. But if you think it is worth creating a separate subcategory like Category:Haliaeetus leucocephalus in Native American rituals for them, go ahead - MPF (talk) 16:23, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
I think it is. While I'm sure tribes store these carefully, given the shaky relationship between tribes and anthropologists the only circumstances in which they might be stored in a museum would be if the tribe is wealthy enough to have its own museum (e.g. the Tulalip in Washington state). Otherwise, not a chance. Also, although I used it myself, I'm not sure the word "ritual" is the best; I'll try to consult someone closer to that culture for their thoughts. - Jmabel ! talk 16:44, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
@Jmabel: Thanks! I guess my feeling is that any tribe's place (however small) for preserving items like this could be called their museum, but as you wish. Yep, good idea on consulting over the most suitable term. I'd guess File:Bald eagle feather bustle (23947361528).jpg might be best in the new category too? - MPF (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
If that one was confiscated as illegal, then it wasn't in legitimate use by a tribe.
In any case, I've contacted the Executive Director of United Indians of All Tribes, who were the host of the pow wow where I took this. Here's what I sent him:

I was hoping you might be able to help me with a question about appropriate wording to describe two photos, or tell me who could help me.

I took these two photos a decade ago and posted them on Wikimedia Commons, the media repository of Wikipedia:

As you may know, Commons is a highly collaborative project, and people can edit each other's textual content and categorization of images. I already have these in "Category:Eagle staffs", but someone recently placed these images also in "Category:Haliaeetus leucocephalus (museum specimens)" which is clearly wrong. I contacted him and he has agreed that we can create a new and more appropriate category name. By Commons' standards, we are stuck with the Latin-language species name "Haliaeetus leucocephalus". I was thinking of something like "Category:Haliaeetus leucocephalus in Native American ritual use" but I'm not sure whether that would be a welcome wording, especially whether the term "ritual" is appropriate or not. The issue is to have an appropriate category name for Eagle staffs that are in current use. Can you, or someone, suggest a wording?


I'm hoping to get an appropriate response and will follow up once I have that. - Jmabel ! talk 17:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Thanks again! I did notice that the headdress was confiscated, but presumed that (since they are only lawfully made by Native Americans), it was stolen from a Native American group and confiscated for the purpose of returning it to their care - MPF (talk) 17:10, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
FWIW, Michael Tulee (executive director of Daybreak Star) felt he was himself out of his depth on this, and passed me on to someone he considered expert, who hasn't responded. I pinged again by email a couple of days ago. - Jmabel ! talk 23:59, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
I begin to presume we will never get a decent response. I'm inclined to go with "Native American ritual use" for now, with the potential of a different word eventually replacing "ritual". & probably at least a summary of the present discussion belongs on the talk page of that category. OK with you? - Jmabel ! talk 22:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for identifiying treesEdit

Hello! Thank you for the job of identifying trees in some of my images (i.e. File:Cleopatra Terraces 2017 03.jpg). I tried to use the label "Unidentified xxx" two times during the last months on images where trees are an important part of the composition. Both times, you made an identification, and I just wanted to say, that I'm very fond of this kind of work. Thank you once again. Greetings --Dirtsc (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Dirtsc: Thanks! Let me know if there's any more; glad to help :-) MPF (talk) 17:03, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll do, if it is important. And especially, if the image was made "an ocean away" from my home area. ;-) --Dirtsc (talk) 17:17, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Knud Ib ChristensenEdit

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I wanted to ask you how you knew that the person who took the photo that you mentioned to me has died. I haven't seen an obituary for him, even this many years later. Thanks again for those articles. Nadiatalent (talk) 01:21, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
@Nadiatalent: - I'd been doing a search online for some of his papers, and his obituary was at the top of the search list. A very sad discovery. - MPF (talk) 09:21, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! I had heard of the manuscript, but had never seen the final publication. Nadiatalent (talk) 21:38, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

/* Branta bernicla map */ suggestionsEdit

hello MPF

I have some comments about your map File:Branta bernicla map.png and [[2]] which appears on the French page [[3]] and perhaps on others.

  1. The subspecies names don't appear to correspond to those in page [[4]] and I think this needs to be discussed and then clarified in the page.
  2. Ssp. hrota should be shown wintering in Normandy - the vast majority of the French wintering birds are centered around le havre de la Sienne [[5]].
  3. The colours for breeding areas seem (to my eyes; I am partially colour-blind especially when there are fine coloured lines) too close to each other.
    This difficulty could be alleviated if you
    - vary or contrast the tones/darkness as well as the colours
    - place key areas above the map in such a way that species names are aligned with breeding areas.

In addition I feel the 'migration routes' should be sparsely dotted ( . . . . ) or dashed ( - - - - ) and potentially grey, to avoid giving an interpretation that the migrations are direct. For instance I know that the French wintering birds stop off in Devon, Somerset, Ireland, Iceland, Greenland (but I'm not sure if they go through each of these places on each trip - I can try to find out)

  • what do you think ? Jwikip (talk) 20:01, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Jwikip: - thanks for the note! Dealing with the points below;
  • 1. The subspecies names are from the Reed, A., Ward, D. H., Derksen, D. V., & Sedinger, J. S. (2013) reference. This is now behind a paywall, which is why you found it misleading; it was accessible when I linked it. I have changed the link to an archive which remains outside the paywall (here). I have no say over what is written in the English and French wikipedia articles; that is up to editors there.
  • 2. Thanks for the info on B. b. hrota in France; I didn't know about this. Yes, it should be added.
  • 3. Colour selection is difficult; with the need for 8 colours (4 for the breeding populations, 4 for the wintering populations), it is inevitably going to be difficult to find distinct tones that will be visible for all forms of colourblindness. I will be happy to hear any suggestions you can make for changes, though would if possible like to keep "summery" colours (red-orange-yellow) for the breeding ranges, and "cold" colours (blues) for the winter ranges.
  • 4. Yes, changing to dotted or dashed lines would be a good idea, if you can do it; thanks for suggesting it. I only used solid straight lines as they are so much easier to draw. They are indeed very arbitary, as drawing exact routes is difficult (e.g. the nigricans population does not cut across overland, but follows the coastline round via western Alaska!), and in some cases are not yet known. And yes, birds will follow slightly different routes in different years depending on weather, etc., though they do remain broadly similar.

Hope this helps! - MPF (talk) 00:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@MPF: we need to decide who will update the image file. You have the original media!? I submit that it should probably be yourself :) but I may be able to try something -for example dotting the lines- in ten days' time (not at home at present).

I have slightly updated my suggestion above (place key areas above the map in such a way that species names are aligned with breeding areas) and hope it is clearer now.

In addition I shall happily modify the content of the Fr and En brent goose pages (you too could do this!!) but this too will be in a while, once I get my head fully around the recent debates and decisions (grey-bellied/nigricans/orientalis type specimen and renaming(s)) in order to describe the situation properly.
I don't want to simply change from one statement (three subspecies and an intermediate form) to another (four subspecies) because it may perhaps seem that there is not yet full agreement. Jwikip (talk) 08:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jwikip: - thanks for your confidence! Sadly I can't really edit it at the moment - the computer I have now doesn't have good .png editing software (unlike my older one!). The original media is no different to the uploaded version; you are welcome to edit it yourself. I've also just discovered a more recent version of the reference (2016 archive here) has withdrawn their evidence in order to follow the 'traditional' 3 subspecies + un-named population interpretation (I think this is unfortunate as their evidence for 4 subspecies is compelling). So it may be best to re-do the map completely. Perhaps it could all be taken up with IOC to see what they think, but that's not for us to deal with here. - MPF (talk) 23:38, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
@MPF: I'll do what I can next week or later ... not sure my (old) software will do PNGs properly but in the worst case I can hack the PNG into a JPG. The issue still remains as to which subspecies ranges to include in the new image! Out of curiosity, where is the map data you used originally for the ranges? - I don't think I saw it on the archived article(s) ... Jwikip (talk) 01:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


I have put this back into Pinopsida. That is where both en.WP and Wikispecies have the order placed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey: I moved it up to Pinophyta as it still seems very uncertain when it diverged from other Gymnosperms; en:wp actually says (though without reference) that it may even be sister to [Pinophyta + Ginkgophyta + Cycadophyta] - if true, then it should even be moved up to a subcategory of Gymnosperms. Also, while not yet (mainly because it would involve a lot of rather tedious editing) I think sooner or later, we should be accepting Christenhusz' deeper splitting of extant Pinophyta into several orders (Pinales, Araucariales, Cupressales) which would leave Cordaitales very misplaced. But I won't press it, if you think it should stay in Pinopsida. - MPF (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
There is a fundamental divide between botanists who split the seed plants into multiple divisions, and those who collect them all into a single division. Until that issue is resolved, any classification of the gymnosperms is going to be problematic. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:33, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey: - that's true; but conifer taxa are so ancient, many conifer genera pre-date many angiosperm orders; if one is to have any degree of consistency, division of the extant conifers into 3 orders is pretty tame. I'm not suggesting following Doweld, or Melikian & A.V.Bobrov :-) MPF (talk) 21:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
That's one of the arguments used, yes, but there are bryophyte groups even older. Then there are green algal fossils. Kenrick and Crane were one of the first groups of paleobotanists to propose a radical rethink along cladistic lines. However, no single consistent system has been proposed that includes both seed plants and seedless plant, includes both extant and extinct taxa, and considers existing systems for each major green plant lineage. In the absence of such a system, I tend to play conservative and wait. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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