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Salut Benoît edit

Me revoilà ! Je vais contribuer calmos dans mon coin. Merci à toi

Pourrais tu m'uploader le vitrail représentant les religieuses Marie-Anne Vaillot et Odile Baumgartner sur ce site excellent Mike Coppolano (talk) 12:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC) note = peux tu aussi m'uploader le groupe de ces deux soeurs sur le même site. Merci mille fois et bonne fin de journée à toiReply

Coucou Mike :)
En fait les vitraux sont probablement suffisamment anciens pour être mis sur Commons (s'il n'y a pas eu de restauration), mais le site n'indique rien sur les droits des photographes eux-mêmes. En clair rien n'indique que le photographe original a placé sa photo sous licence libre. Donc on ne peut pas faire grand chose avec ː si ce n'est 1. faire la photo toi/nous même. 2. Contacter la personne du site web, en espérant qu'elle a prise cette photo et qu'elle sera ok pour un dépôt sous licence Creative Commons (implique un ou deux échanges de mails).
Bien à toi, ----Benoît (d) 15:19, 13 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Re-bonjour Benoît, c'est vraiment dur. Je comptais sur cette photo pour mon infobox. Merci des infos. Bon Dimanche Mike Coppolano (talk) 12:53, 14 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
 
En fait l'image est déjà présente sur Commons ǃǃǃ :) ----Benoît (d) 14:34, 14 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Dans cette catégorie, les quelques images présentes qui peuvent t'être utiles. Bonne rédaction ǃ Category:Martyrs of Angers. ----Benoît (d) 14:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Wiki Loves Monuments 2023 - Deutschland edit

 

Hallo Benoît Prieur,

 
Sieger 2022 – Kloster Paulinzella

bald ist es soweit: Vom 1. bis zum 30. September 2023 findet zum dreizehnten Mal der internationale Wettbewerb Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM) statt. Dabei können Bau-, Boden- und Kulturdenkmale fotografiert und die Fotos hochgeladen werden. Du hast an einem der vergangenen Fotowettbewerbe teilgenommen. Deshalb laden wir dich gern wieder ein, dieses Jahr mitzumachen. Wir freuen uns auf deine Fotos!

Vergangenes Jahr hat Radomianin mit einer Gesamtansicht von Kloster Paulinzella gewonnen. Welcher Fotograf oder welche Fotografin tritt dieses Jahr die Nachfolge an?

Nach WLM 2022 sind wieder zahlreiche neue Denkmallisten entstanden – zum Beispiel die Denkmallisten in Waltershausen in Thüringen oder in Fulda.

Für die Suche nach Motiven gibt es bei Wikipedia zahlreiche Listen und Karten. Als Einstieg hilft diese Übersichtsseite. Weitere Informationen erhältst du auf der Mitmach-Seite.

Für das einfache Auffinden haben wir eine Upload-Karte erstellt, in der viele aber leider noch nicht alle Kulturdenkmale angezeigt werden können. Das Laden der Objekte dauert dort etwas.

Wir haben dieses Jahr „drei Sonderpreise für Bilder von Friedhöfen“ ausgelobt. Zugelassen sind für den Sonderpreis auch Fotos von Friedhöfen, die nicht denkmalgeschützt sind.

Damit es ab 1. September mit dem Upload schnell geht:

Außerdem laden wir Dich ein, ab Anfang September 2023 an der Vorjury teilzunehmen. Diese bewertet die hochgeladenen Bilder und ermittelt so gemeinsam mit der Jury, die im Oktober tagt, die Sieger von Wiki Loves Monuments 2023 in Deutschland. Das Vorjurytool ist hier bald freigeschaltet. Du benötigst dafür nur deinen Benutzernamen und das Passwort.

Für Fragen steht das Organisationsteam gerne auf der Support-Seite zur Verfügung. Falls du im nächsten Jahr keine Einladung für Wiki Loves Monuments Deutschland haben möchtest, trag dich bitte hier ein. Wir würden das natürlich schade finden, da wir uns auf deine Fotos freuen.

Viel Spaß und Erfolg beim größten Fotowettbewerb wünscht dir im Namen des Organisationsteams --Z thomas 12:19, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Plaques refeencing years in Lyon edit

Merci à vous. L'avantage d'être en retraite, c'est qu'on a du temps pour travailler...Palamède (talk) 07:06, 3 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Are you the sculptor of the statue? I see you listed as the author (verily, you are the photographer), but I wanted to double-check if the author attribution is complete (i.e. includes the sculptor). — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 13:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi,

No I’m not. I did not find any information about the sculptor.

---Benoît (d) 16:16, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi Benoît, we know from this image that you have taken from the same statue that this is the work of Maison Raffl. Unfortunately, we do not know from this whether this is the work of the founder Ignaz Raffl (1828–1895) or one of his successors who continued to use this name until 1952. Perhaps Gérard or Etienne5962 could help here as they wrote that article. Do you have any information about when this statue was erected? Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 18:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

I know that. I answered a true answer to the question. I wanted to see the usage of that answer. I was not so surprised of the usage 20 mn afterwards. I have the global answer demonstrating the validity of the presence on Commons. « Grande série » vs original work. It is a church statue you can find in many churches in Europe. Like the virgin mary statue (see wp article) you can find it in many churches, hundred of pictures on commons. Permitted because it is not original, so no artist name ː) I detail that as soon as I’m at my hotel. ----Benoît (d) 19:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

(Edit conflict) Hi Benoît, this statue is documented at Palissy (IM01000913). From this we know the sculptor of the original is Louis Noël who died in 1925. The statue you have photographed is a replica cast by Maison Raffl. You see also the signature of Noël on the right side of the statue. Just take this photo of yours and expand it fully and you will see the name “J NOEL”. Hence, your photos of this statue can be kept and do not need to be deleted. --AFBorchert (talk) 19:16, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks i knew for raffi but not for noel. Thanks a lot, you are the bestǃ (Still not at the hotel ː/)

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@AFBorchert: Thank you very much for the help with the identification; I have completed it on Commons and Wikidata accordingly.

You wrote, "unfortunately without evidence to evaluate this further." I have evidence to support what I'm claiming. For example:

Let's take this deletion proposal [1]: it is fully justified, the photo then represents a bust, I believe, of Louis Bertola, who died in 1973. And as he is also a hero from World War I, the 70-year limit is probably extended (a French copyright specific). To make it clear, I cropped the image, focusing on the plaque, and renamed the image.

How A1Cafel came across this image, several possibilities:

  1. He is stalking me, but let's assume that's not the reason. An excellent example of reductio ad absurdum reasoning.
  2. Recent uploads: ruled out, as the upload dates back to December 2017, so no.
  3. Using category hierarchy, why not, let's analyze.

The category Category:Monument à la mémoire d'Émile Blériot has the following categories: Émile Blériot, Reliefs in Ain, Steles in Ain, Louis Bertola.

  • Émile Blériot: virtually unknown, I think we can rule out this hypothesis.
  • Reliefs in Ain, unlikely, other reliefs in the category raise questions that A1Cafel would undoubtedly not have missed.
  • Steles in Ain, the same, for example, this image raises questions [2].
  • Louis Bertola? Certainly not, A1Cafel would not have missed the 38 photos of Category:Monument aux morts de l'île du Souvenir (Lyon), many of which are to be deleted.

I specify that on Commons, there are only my photos of Cibeins. I am the only Wikimedia contributor who has uploaded photos of Cibeins on Commons. For a simple reason: The "Vacherie du Parc" in Lyon, the first building by architect Tony Garnier, was intended to produce milk for the city's schools. Around 1910, I can't remember exactly, Mayor Edouard Herriot decided to relocate this activity to Cibeins, where it would become an agricultural school. One day in 2017, I was driving, saw a sign for Cibeins, thought of Tony Garnier, went there, and took photos. The question remains: if he is not stalking me, and after these explanations, how on earth did A1Cafel come across this photo? ----Benoît (d) 22:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi Benoît, I do not know but A1Cafel stated that they “found the information of the sculptures using French Wikipedia” which has indeed an article about Louis Bertola. It is easy enough to browse through fr:Catégorie:Sculpteur français du XXe siècle or other artist-specific categories, looking for artists not old enough to browse the associated Commons categories. Please consider the high volume of DRs A1Cafel is submitting. During the time A1Cafel nominated your relief of Émile Blériot, they nominated also other images from French artists which were uploaded by other people. Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4 and many more of different uploaders. I see no targeting here.
Your statements above “« Grande série » vs original work” or “you can find it in many churches” will not help. Take, for example, toys. They are mass-produced, you will find them everywhere, they are not great pieces of art but they are still copyright-protected, see COM:TOYS. Statues are eligible for copyright, no matter how mass-produced these are. We still need the artist or proof that they are old enough. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 23:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
If he browses the associated Commons category from Louis Bertola wp, he cannot miss Category:Monument aux morts de l'île du Souvenir (Lyon) which is a copyvios nest. But he did not see it, so it was not this path that he took.
I'm obviously having trouble making myself understood. I regret that it is so complicated to make people understand that we can do factually good things on Commons, for the wrong reason. And that the spirit of the universal code of conduct is also little present in the collective analysis which only takes into account one form of efficiency.
I'm glad to have met you, even if it was in these difficult circumstances. Good night. ----Benoît (d) 23:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
I have looked through that category, but that is a rather complicated case. Some part of the monument has entered PD, but some hasn't. To avoid any controversy, I choose not to nominate it. --A1Cafel (talk) 01:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Bonjour Benoît, tu as créé la plupart des pages sur l'hiver à Lyon. Elles sont correctement nommées "Winter xxxx-yyyy in Lyon" mais renvoyaient vers des pages "Winter xxxx in Rhône" qui ne l'étaient pas. J'ai modifié les pages et créé les pages sur le Rhône mais je n'ai pas modifié ton modèle. Bonne journée. --Birdie (talk) 10:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Coucou, merci je regarderai ce modèle. Dès que possible. Bien à toi, ----Benoît (d) 20:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Salut Benoît,

À mon avis cette image remplit les conditions de {{PD-ID-France}}, je pense que tu devrais restaurer l'image et passer par une DR pour qu'on puisse en débattre (voir cette DR par exemple).

Bien à toi. Thibaut (talk) 20:47, 4 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Thibaut120094: Salut,
J'avais supprimé uniquement car c'est un copyvio sans autorisation explicite. Je ne connaissais cette disposition que tu indiques. J'ai essayé de restaurer mais j'obtiens ce message d'erreur : "Certaines ou toutes les restaurations ont échoué : Aucune page correspondante n’a été trouvée dans les archives de suppression." (sais pas d'où ça vient).
Peux-tu t'en charger ? Egalement la DR ?
En te remerciant,
Amitiés, ----Benoît (d) 06:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Dear Mr Prieur,

I wanted to briefly react to the File:3D illustration of a physical map of Luxembourg (ChatGPT 4.0, Dall-E 3.0) 2024.png that you have (had) created and uploaded. The problem is that the title suggests an actual rendition of a physical 3D map of Luxembourg, whereas, apart from a vague resemblance of the shape of the country with the 'created' one, the rivers, reliefs etc. that can be seen have nothing to do with a real relief map of Luxembourg at all.

In case you intend to produce similar AI generated images of other areas, might I suggest you make it clear in the title that this is a random/fantasy interpretation of what it suggests to be? Otherwise I see it a real risk that completely wrong maps will soon start to appear in home works, publications, etc., something I feel in stark contradiction to what I would expect from a free knowledge source such as the Wikimedia projects.

Best wishes, Zinneke (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello Zinneke,
You're right, I wasn't aware of that risk; I was more into a kind of innocent experimentation. Thank you for helping me realize it. The most sensible, intelligent, and useful thing to do is to delete that image.
With my friendship,
Benoît
Cher Benoît,
We are indeed only at the beginning of an area where AI will more and more interfer into our reality, and the way it is perceived. The ChatGPT-generated 'map' would, as such, probably not have created too many problems, even if taken for real (unless maybe if you are a kayak enthousiast and would be looking for that mighty river crossing the country from Northwest to Southeast, and be disappointed that there is no such thing). But I am glad you share my point that we should at least in Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects, strive to describe the world as it is (which is complicated and complex enough), not as some software 'decides' it wants to put together its 0s and 1s...
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