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Categories of Pridnestrovie

Hi! Pridnestrovie has its category (and category tree) in Commons under the name Category:Transnistria since 2005. It corresponds to the article Transnitria in the English Wikipedia. You can open a discussion about renaming those categories of Commons, but please don't create duplicate categories and duplicate category tree. Generally, Commons prefer most established English exonymes of countries, which need not to match the name stated or desired by the local authority as official. Commons and other wiki projects can use redirects from all alternative names. Btw., Commons uses unofficial (simplified) names also for the United States or United Kingdom. --ŠJů (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@ŠJů: Note that this user also creates Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Pridnestrovie which is true duplication of Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Transnistria. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@ŠJů: Hi! I explain. Pridnestrovie cannot have its own category "Transnistria" if only because it has nothing to do with "Transnistria" (except that Pridnestrovie suffered from the latter along with the entire Odessa region of Ukraine). This ugly term was invented by Romanian Nazi criminals and today is used exclusively in an offensive context. Pridnestrovie does not have an established name in the English language, the term used is determined solely by the author and context. The Nazi term is promoted exclusively on the Internet and mainly through Wikipedia - any attempts to challenge this are suppressed by the aggressive Romanian nationalist lobby tracking articles on this topic. Therefore, a reference to Wikipedia is inappropriate here, and this word is not some simplified unofficial name.

There was no category for Pridnestrovie at this moment. I agree that there should not be duplicate categories, it is only necessary that the content of each category corresponds to the name. Therefore, materials on Pridnestrovie should be placed in the category "Pridnestrovie", and on the Romanian Nazi regime, genocide of the civilian population, the Holocaust, etc. in the "Transnistria". I upload/create materials not for insulting my country, my ancestors and me personally with their help. Pridnestrovian editor (talk) 19:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pridnestrovian editor: I understand you arguments, that the name "Transnistria" is problematic for the current Pridnestrovie, because it has connotations to the WWII events and then Romanian fascist regime. However, for now, we have to know that "Transnistria" is used as the English name for the current Pridnestrovie in Commons and en:Wikipedia projects. We can open a general discussion about rename of the whole tree, but I am afraid that even the view promoted by an internationally unrecognized state will not be considered completely impartial and decisive. Today's Romanian and Moldovan regimes are not generally considered fascist or Nazi - although I understand that they do not have the best relations with the Pridnestrovian government and regime. If the discussion were to be opened, I assume that it would not reach a clear conclusion, but the reference to the discussion would at least serve as a warning that the name may be perceived as problematic. At the en:Wikipedia. I found the discussion en:Talk:Transnistria#Title bias. It seems that the arguments have not yet been strong enough to persuade the community to rename the article. But it is clear that there is a dilemma here and there are arguments for both parties. --ŠJů (talk) 20:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@ŠJů: I will give an example. There is such an unrecognized republic as Nagorno-Karabakh, it is under this name that everyone who has ever heard of it knew it. Moreover, this name is absolutely neutral and has no historical or political context. At the end of February 2017, a referendum was held there on the change of the “Russian” name to “Armenian” - Artsakh (it was almost never used before). Almost immediately, the Wikipedia article was renamed. At the same time, no one objected: perhaps because local Azerbaijanis are not represented in sufficient numbers in the English section; perhaps they are simply indifferent to the “Russian” name or “Armenian”. The situation with the PMR is different. Romanians zealously push their terminology and resist any attempt to object. In the discussion of the page, you could see it.

That is, there is no community there, there is only upholding of the interests of certain groups. Since Wikipedia has a privileged position in the search engine results, it matters to them as part of online propaganda. What is interesting: the Nazi term is not used officially anywhere else at all. In the documents of Moldova, the region is called "Stinga Nistrului" - the left bank of the Dniester. In a geographical context, the allocation of this territory does not make sense at all, since this concept is political. When it comes to the name of the most unrecognized state, used its self-name "Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic". And the word "transnistria" was call to mind in 1992 during the Moldovan-Pridnestrovian war as a claim to the land on the left bank of the Dniester River (this literally translates as "on the other side of the Dniester", from Romania). Pridnestrovian editor (talk) 06:25, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Generally, many category names at Commons can be felt as problematic, from various reasons. Some of them are compromise. Cyprus for the Cyprus Republic (which is not the whole Cyprus), Ireland for the Republic of Ireland (which is not the whole Ireland), China for the Peoples Republic of China (despite of the Republic of China), adjective American for the US only etc. As regards my country, some users block the unpolitical geographic name Czechia, although "Czech Republic" is absolutely inappropriate for historical pre-republican Czech items. In case of Zakarpatia (Subcarpathian Russia, Transcarpathian Ukraine etc.), the historical name Carpathian Ruthenia is redirected to the current official name Zakarpattia Oblast. The category names Kosovo or Crimea are politically neutral, compatible with both political views, just their categorization is double-track. All we can do is open a CfD discussion on the Transnistria category and gather all the pros and cons. But it is possible that the discussion will remain open for many years, or that someone will close it unilaterally and it will have to be opened repeatedly. It is also possible that some opinions for the current name will be found relevant. After all, the Moldovans have some historical and ethic kinship with the Romanians, and even the Romanian or pro-Romanian point of view has some weight. Maybe, some of your arguments can have more weight. Who knows why the international (English) name Belarus took over "White Russia". Maybe it would be good to open and realize the discussion, whatever the outcome. --ŠJů (talk) 14:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I opened the discussion Commons:Categories for discussion/2020/05/Category:Transnistria. Feel free to join the discussion and correct or supplement my introduction. If you know of someone who has already discussed the issue, it would be appropriate to invite them to the discussion. --ŠJů (talk) 14:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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--bjh21 (talk) 12:18, 12 March 2022 (UTC)