Unbaratocha

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File tagging File:Brazilian Sherman M4 of WWII - Brazilian Military Museum.jpg

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Thanks for uploading File:Brazilian Sherman M4 of WWII - Brazilian Military Museum.jpg. This media is missing permission information. A source is given, but there is no proof that the author or copyright holder agreed to license the file under the given license. Please provide a link to an appropriate webpage with license information, or ask the author or copyright holder to send an email with copy of a written permission to VRT (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org). You may still be required to go through this procedure even if you are the author yourself; please see Commons:But it's my own work! for more details. After you emailed permission, you may replace the {{No permission since}} tag with {{subst:PP}} on file description page. Alternatively, you may click on "Challenge speedy deletion" below the tag if you wish to provide an argument why evidence of permission is not necessary in this case. Please see this page for more information on how to confirm permission, or if you would like to understand why we ask for permission when uploading work that is not your own, or work which has been previously published (regardless of whether it is your own). The file probably has been deleted. If you sent a permission, try to send it again after 14 days. Do not re-upload. When the VRT-member processes your mail, the file can be undeleted. Additionally you can request undeletion here, providing a link to the File-page on Commons where it was uploaded ([[:File:Brazilian Sherman M4 of WWII - Brazilian Military Museum.jpg]]) and the above demanded information in your request.

 

Gunnex (talk) 16:27, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

File tagging File:Tanque Sherman M4 da FEB - Museu São Gabriel RS.jpg

This media was probably deleted.

Thanks for uploading File:Tanque Sherman M4 da FEB - Museu São Gabriel RS.jpg. This media is missing permission information. A source is given, but there is no proof that the author or copyright holder agreed to license the file under the given license. Please provide a link to an appropriate webpage with license information, or ask the author or copyright holder to send an email with copy of a written permission to VRT (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org). You may still be required to go through this procedure even if you are the author yourself; please see Commons:But it's my own work! for more details. After you emailed permission, you may replace the {{No permission since}} tag with {{subst:PP}} on file description page. Alternatively, you may click on "Challenge speedy deletion" below the tag if you wish to provide an argument why evidence of permission is not necessary in this case. Please see this page for more information on how to confirm permission, or if you would like to understand why we ask for permission when uploading work that is not your own, or work which has been previously published (regardless of whether it is your own). The file probably has been deleted. If you sent a permission, try to send it again after 14 days. Do not re-upload. When the VRT-member processes your mail, the file can be undeleted. Additionally you can request undeletion here, providing a link to the File-page on Commons where it was uploaded ([[:File:Tanque Sherman M4 da FEB - Museu São Gabriel RS.jpg]]) and the above demanded information in your request.

 

Gunnex (talk) 16:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

File tagging File:Restored Brazilian Sherman M4 of Italian Campaign WWII.jpg

This media was probably deleted.

Thanks for uploading File:Restored Brazilian Sherman M4 of Italian Campaign WWII.jpg. This media is missing permission information. A source is given, but there is no proof that the author or copyright holder agreed to license the file under the given license. Please provide a link to an appropriate webpage with license information, or ask the author or copyright holder to send an email with copy of a written permission to VRT (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org). You may still be required to go through this procedure even if you are the author yourself; please see Commons:But it's my own work! for more details. After you emailed permission, you may replace the {{No permission since}} tag with {{subst:PP}} on file description page. Alternatively, you may click on "Challenge speedy deletion" below the tag if you wish to provide an argument why evidence of permission is not necessary in this case. Please see this page for more information on how to confirm permission, or if you would like to understand why we ask for permission when uploading work that is not your own, or work which has been previously published (regardless of whether it is your own). The file probably has been deleted. If you sent a permission, try to send it again after 14 days. Do not re-upload. When the VRT-member processes your mail, the file can be undeleted. Additionally you can request undeletion here, providing a link to the File-page on Commons where it was uploaded ([[:File:Restored Brazilian Sherman M4 of Italian Campaign WWII.jpg]]) and the above demanded information in your request.

 

Gunnex (talk) 16:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

Some contents have been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether they should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at their entry. If you created these pages, please note that the fact that they have been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with them, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

Affected:

• File:Brazilian soldiers posing in front of their M3 Halftrack, Italy WWII.jpg

And also:

• File:Brazilian M8 Greyhound, Nothern Italy, WWII.jpg
• File:2 members of the Brazilian Expeditionary Force lunching on top of their M8 Greyhound.jpg
• File:Patrulha Brasileira perto de Montese.jpg
• File:Blindado M8 da FEB em Montese.jpg
• File:Carro Blindado FEB, Italia II Guerra.jpg
• File:Brazilian soldier entrenched in cemetery, North of Italy, 1944.gif
• File:Brazilian Artillery, Gothic Line WWII.jpg
• File:Brazilian Troops - Infantry & M10 Crew, Italy April 1945.jpg
• File:A Brazilian message for Nazis.jpg
• File:Fascist Italians, captured by Brazilians October, 1944.jpg
• File:Brazilian Artillery, Italy WWII.jpg

Yours sincerely, Gunnex (talk) 20:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Please do not recreate deleted content

 

This applies also to all of the files deleted in Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Unbaratocha .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 19:59, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing Commons for for one week. The reason for the block is for uploading unfree files for the third time using the sockpuppet JoãoPenka (block log). If you believe this block is unjustified, you may add {{Unblock}} below this message explaining clearly why you should be unblocked. For more information, see Appealing a block.

After the block expires, please consider whether you want to be a useful member of the Commons community or a nuisance. If you violate Commons rules again, the block will be longer..     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I took notice of the case by communicating via my email. I certainly intend to continue as a contributor useful, despite the vandalism disguised as control by some egocentric adminitrators. Referring to the charge about sockpuppett, unfortunately I have no way to sue you in a court... Unbaratocha (talk) 01:13, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Three highly experienced editors, Gunnex, Hohum, and I, all found that all of your uploads were copyright violations. You uploaded several of them more than once in your own name -- that is a clear violation of Commons rules. You added to your violations by using a puppet. Commons Admins have little patience for people who can't follow the rules. (talk to me) 21:46, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Since you insist that I used a puppet to upload files, there is no possible dialogue. Maybe you're used to using this type of procedure (playing the police officer, the judge and executor, all in one person), or may be this happens due stress/paranoia from overwork on this kind of stuff, or some cracker troll is now laughing having fun with the situation at our expense, or a bit of everything.

Anyway, not only me but any reasonable person also have little patience with administrators who besides play 3 in 1, hiding their occasional or recurrent errors and/or oversteps behind confusing rules, which are clear only to those who wrote them, or... worse - rules that suffer from double standards in their application (See below). Unbaratocha (talk) 02:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Help is easily available in at least 42 languages -- if you do not understand why your images were deleted, how to appeal the deletions, or why you were blocked, just ask. If English is not convenient, we can generally find help in any of about 50 languages. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 21:46, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

When I talk about double standard application of rules, I refer to the numerous photos of various articles, that if the rule were applied to the letter, simply wouldn't have any photos/images. And I will not list them, because it is quite possible that you, in your Javertian fury, can ruin such articles.

To close for now, I re-post here (and I wonder if the such "puppet", if she/he exists, copied the references which I used, or "created" other ones), an original information about one of the photos (shown on the site-source, in the case any of you have bothered to check), and ask to you (other things apart): if the responsable department itself, at the time, did not identify the author(s) of the photo, how to do it 69 years later??? Unbaratocha (talk) 02:14, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The system we use is the only one we have -- we make mistakes only very rarely. All Administrator decisions may be appealed, but less than one percent are appealed and fewer than one tenth of those are overturned. (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, here we see a clear flaw on your part in the understanding of basic concepts in statistics. The fact that errors are rare is not a sign of good service quality per se, may be frequently being quite the contrary, since what matters is not that errors are rare, but its consequences aren't serious. A system whose errors are plentiful but inconsequential, serving as correction can be both robust as antifragile, however a system where errors are rare, tends to be fragile since rare errors tend to be serious, when nonfatal (See Gawande and Mauboussin 2009, and Taleb 2012). Unbaratocha (talk) 18:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

It is true that there many files -- certainly more than 100,000 -- that are on Commons that should be deleted. This is not a double standard, but simply a lack of manpower. We get more than 10,000 new files every day. We delete about 1,000 of them, with five Admins doing more than half of the work. We probably should delete twice that number, but we don't have enough active volunteers to do the work. (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

From the moment that you recognize in your own words that the current approach is a resounding failure, it is unnecessary that I make considerations about. Unbaratocha (talk) 18:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The fact that we can not identify the author of a file does not mean that we can or will ignore the copyright. That is set forth in fundamental policy. Your repeated refusal to obey that policy is the reason your are blocked and will be blocked again if you repeat. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

First - I never said you can or should ignore copyright.

Second - Again, hide behind rules to justify anti-productive behavior doesn't help your argument. After all, if one persists in an inefficient method, can even be psychologically understandable under certain circumstances; when this same person, instead of at least prioritize cases of dishonesty (not mention the blatant ones, with possible not neglectable serious consequences) copyright, choose to simply pick randomly, trying to Javertian impose Oneself by force of threat of "authority", reinforcing the innate inefficiency of this method of work (and thus unaware or not, helping to sabotage the Wiki project): it is the case ask if you really really want to actually start collaborating with the project, or continue with this set of nuisance... Recalling that, from all that has been stated above, the persistence in inefficiency and unproductiveness can no longer be alleged unaware.Unbaratocha (talk) 18:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

My final word here -- if you want to participate in this project, then take it as it is, follow our rules, and don't waste our time with silly diatribes. If you think the project is a "resounding failure", then go away. While we like to encourage newcomers, there are limits to that and you have far exceeded them..     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Your (and only your) selective inference (used again...) that the whole project would be a "resounding failure", doesn't fit with what is written above. What was proven, and recognized in your own words, is that the way the project has so far dealt with image copyright is at best inefficient, and at worst dangerous.

And considering that, from this moment, once aware both of inefficiency as of potential danger, there is no more excuses to keep so (surely act unaware is not an option anymore, as well as [as shown above] talk on too much work for few people [related to double standard] etc etc etc). As well as, from now, the insistence on such approach simply goes beyond the ordinary inefficiency, incompetence, or self-SABOTAGE. And due the seriousness of it, definitively it is nor a waste of time (at least for those really interested in the project), neither a silly diatribe. Unbaratocha (talk) 01:54, 15 November 2013 (UTC)