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List of top 20(19+1 Bot editor) nominators on COM:FPCEdit

FPCBOT edited Commons:Featured picture candidates/candidate list most number of times (18807 times)

  • 1) Yann
  • 2) Poco a poco
  • 3) Alvesgaspar
  • 4) Jkadavoor
  • 5) Tomer T
  • 6) ArionEstar
  • 7) W.carter
  • 8) Christian Ferrer
  • 9) George Chernilevsky
  • 10) Simonizer
  • 11) Wilfredor
  • 12) Tomascastelazo
  • 13) A.Savin
  • 14) Mbz1
  • 15) Pudelek
  • 16) Livioandronico2013
  • 17) Jebulon
  • 18) XRay
  • 19) Famberhorst

Harvested from - this Json file -- Eatcha (talk) 10:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Eatcha Interesting, thanks! --Podzemnik (talk) 10:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Eatcha: are these the page creators under FP candidates (indeed nominators) or editors in that area? Poco2 13:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello Poco2, this list is based on number of times a person edited the Commons:Featured picture candidates/candidate list, yes there is no way to count nominators directly (yet). I knew that I can't tell the exact number of nominations an User made as some-times when the bot goes crazy and some users remove the candidates manually. In the Json, you edited this page about 815 times(including the edits if ever you removed anything manually) if you use statistics (deviation) then still this data is pretty accurate, considering ± 30 edits. -- Eatcha (talk) 15:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for sharing, Eatcha. How about a list of the top 20 successful nominators? --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 18:44, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Frank Schulenburg, The list of top 20 successful nominators can be generated with 100% accuracy if anyone with enough rights can create the page User:FPCBot/EditCounterOptIn.js, but even admins don't have permission to create this page. I don't know the bots password (I'm not its creator). -- Eatcha (talk) 18:57, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Frank Schulenburg, take a look at the following list -- Eatcha (talk) 12:41, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
@Eatcha: How is the rank calculated? Is a percentage or absolute? Can we have the numbers? You could make a list on a dedicated page updated once a month. Thanks, Yann (talk) 13:01, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
+1. Numbers would be great. --Cart (talk) 13:10, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
@Yann, W.carter:, list fixed with number of successful nominations. I will try to create a page that you mentioned but I stll don't prperly know how to use wiki markup, I'm still new here and I don't why things are extra compicated on MediaWiki API, no clear tutorial and https://twitter.com/MagnusManske/status/1141338742495567877 (Even Magnus Manske complaing about this serious problem!) -- Eatcha (talk) 19:35, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. This list is and its numbers is sort of already known to us. What would be interesting are the numbers Colin mentioned on your talk page. That is, how many nominations did each user make to get this number of FPs. That's what I meant by numbers. Let's say I had to make about 300 noms to get my 122 successful, that percentage would be nice to know. Is there any chance of getting this? --Cart (talk) 19:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
We could add how many times the bot added the FPC sucess message for each user and in that way we could get a porcent of reliability, and yes it can be done with the API --Wilfredor (talk) 15:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, but not guaranteed as the API can't diffrentiate between removal of data or addition of data to the candidate list page(see my reply to Yann for more info, just below list) -- Eatcha (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Great! Thanks a lot, --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

List of all nominator on COM:FPC, in decreasing order by the number of successful nominationsEdit

https://tools.wmflabs.org/fpcstats/
I created a Node.js web service (I will switch to python anyway), to parse the candidate list and update once in a month. I wasn't able to add the percentage feature, but I will try to add that when I do have enough time. -- Eatcha (talk) 14:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

You guys can click on list title to sort the Tables. Cheers! -- Eatcha (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)


This list is generated by parsing Media Wiki API response. -- Eatcha (talk) 12:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC) I updated the list, and fixed the an error(users sometime rediret their talk pages, which results in unwanted responce of API). -- Eatcha (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Eatcha: Does this mean that there are 770 users with at least one FP nomination? And, as Cart said, the percentage of successful nominations would be interesting. Regards, Yann (talk) 06:00, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
@Yann: Yes, there are 770 users with at least one FP nomination but only after 15 August 2009(The day FPCBot took over the closing process). I will try to get the percentage, but the api doesn't tells you who added or removed data from a page. And sometimes users remove nominatios and it gets counted as a nomination. Like 1, 2, 3 and many more. Getting the total number of nominations a user made is complicated task, I'm talking to some Server admins about the API and if I can diffrentiate removal of candidate from additions.——Eatcha (talk) 06:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Eatcha, thanks for the nice tool! It seems like there is a bug in your code regarding successful nominations. Because of the way I archive my talk page, my count is harmed. Tomer T (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@Tomer T,   Done I fixed it manually from the source for this time, I will change the code next week to fix this issue for all users, User talk:UserName/anything will be displayed as User talk:UserName . -- Eatcha (talk) 17:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Eatcha, for all the work. This is super cool! --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 00:27, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@Eatcha: Thanks for this great feature! One further improvement you could make is to combine them into a single page with a sortable table, with the columns giving the number of nominations under each result such as (going through my own) succeeded, failed, delist nom, and unparseable/not a real nom. -- King of ♠ 05:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, that's nice. But I don't think I made 933 nominations. That figure probably includes archiving, fixing others' nominations, etc. It seems that you could get a reliable figure while counting how many pages were created under "Commons:Featured picture candidates/..." The only errors would be renaming nominations, but redirects can be removed from the count. Regards, Yann (talk) 06:05, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@Yann:, I know that the table for total nominations is not very accurate. But as you mentioned pages were created under "Commons:Featured picture candidates/*" would help, how can I get that ? Is there any special page for this ? I'm currently parsing the HTML pages as the API limit may not be over 500 for users it's lower for logged out users. -- Eatcha (talk) 13:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for all your work but the list can clearly be rather wrong wrt some users. Since I don't create many pages in the 'Commons:' namespace it was very easy for me to check how many nominations I've actually made and how many were successful. I've created 242 FP noms (599 according to the list) of which 126 were successful (122 according to the list). But I have been very active in archiving and keeping the list clean so I guess that is what is showing up in the list. The list also says that MZaplotnik made 69 nominations; AFAIK he has never made any FP noms but he has been very helpful in keeping the list tidy. --Cart (talk) 09:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@W.carter:, How did you counted your successful FP nominations ? Manually or any thing else ? You nominated 3 Sets, did you counted your sets as a single successful nomination or you counted each image separately ? Your 3 sets are 1, 2 and 3. And I'm here concerned about successful nominations only I will treat a set as a single Nomination(This can result in difference between your FPs and Your successful Nominations). And how did you counted your total nominations, any link to that page ? this can solve the issue with the total nominations. Warm Regards -- Eatcha (talk) 13:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Eatcha: Ah, yes, you are right. I forgot about the sets! Thanks for finding that. :-) For my successful noms, I only counted the number of FPs in Category:Featured Pictures by W.carter minus two nominated by other users and plus the noms in User:W.carter/Featured pictures by other photographers nominated by me. So noms are not the same as FPs and I guess that the total of 122 is correct. For counting how many noms I made, I looked at my user contributions for page creations in Commons space and excluded those that were anything other than FP noms (like deletion requests, page moves, VI noms, etc). It was done by manual counting so I might have missed one or two in human error. --Cart (talk) 13:23, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, there is something wrong here. This is the list of all Commons-namespace pages I have ever created. There are only 108 (based on Ctrl-F "N Commons:Featured picture candidates"), but your tool claims 124. And removal candidates and pagemoves should be handled differently from actual FPC nominations. -- King of ♠ 13:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@The King of Hearts & clubs, I know that the total nominations table is not very accurate (The successful nominations table is pretty accurate, as it's parsed from bot edits). I'm trying to fix this issue with the total nominations table. Warm Regards, From Eatcha (talk) 13:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@Eatcha: Please see Special:PrefixIndex/Commons:Featured_picture_candidates/. Regards, Yann (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

German help wantedEdit

Fischer.H has just, more or less successfully, created five FPCs:

Could some German-speaking user please be kind enough to teach this user how nominations are done. This trial and error is not working. Thanks, --Cart (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Once again a little mishap due to "+" in a file titleEdit

Not sure you remember the note about the "+" and some other signs: Commons talk:Featured picture candidates/Archive 21#FPCBot. Well it has happened again. Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Fruit + Veggie Toast (43807243320).jpg nominated by Tomer T has a "+" in the title. This time the photo wasn't featured so it didn't do much damage. The Bot only parked it three times in the log but refused to remove it from the list. I've done that manually. Please remember NOT TO USE + or some other "strange" characters in file titles, thank you. --Cart (talk) 21:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

The bug should be solved in the bot code. Tomer T (talk) 06:21, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh Python Operator problem, I fixed the code to handle + see Revision #358777385,Commons:Featured_sound_candidates/File:Flower_+_Leaves.jpg(for FSCBot). I will open a pull request for FPCbot, but any other characters you know that cause these typo of problems ? And IMHO it would be best to open an issue at the master repository instead of writing here, or at least contact me(I'm the maintainer as of now).-- Eatcha (talk) 06:09, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Also here, a problem with "?" -- Eatcha (talk) 06:16, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Eatcha: These bugs mainly occurs when the character is in the file title and not many other characters are used there. I know that the = has caused problems at QIC (cancelling out some text), but I have not seen = used in titles here. Even so, it might be best to include it among the troublesome characters. Perhaps you could also do something for & too since it might be used in titles. --Cart (talk) 08:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
File:A test image=+!@-$^&*()-?-;?don't delete it. Ask User-Eatcha first. Please.jpg is ready for test, I will nominate this tonight and try my best to close it successfully. Eatcha (talk) 08:49, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
And crop-tool is bad in handling these names see https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:IIT_-_Delhi_-_Entrance.jpg&action=history -- Eatcha (talk) 08:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Eatcha, if you test all the characters in one single file name, how will you know which one(s) is/are causing the trouble? --Cart (talk) 09:15, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Some are operators, while others aren't. Bugs like this are usually caused by not converting the characters in the file title that could be interpreted as operators, first. --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 13:18, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
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