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Copyright status: File:Телеграма Ќосето.jpg

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Copyright status: File:Телеграма Ќосето.jpg

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EugeneZelenko (talk) 13:47, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

The image is taken from the officially published book "Андон Јанев Ќосето" by "Владо Ѓоргиев" {{ https://repository.ukim.mk/bitstream/20.500.12188/1119/1/Gjorgjiev%20V.%20%20-%20Andon%20Janev%20Kjoseto%20%282016%29.pdf }} I appologize if I have missed the copyright status of the image. It is my first edit and it is still not clear to me which copyright is used for such images. Originally I referenced the image to this book. But someone made an edit on that title. Can you explain me what type of copyright I suppose to use for images taken from a books? ThanksForbidden History (talk) 06:29, 24 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

File tagging File:Телеграма Ќосето.jpg

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Ju Ta 04:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'm new to wikipedia and I really don't know which copyright category represents correct labeling. I really need some help from you guys. It was my first edit. What type of copyright should I choose for the image if it is taken from an official book? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Forbidden History (talk • contribs) 09:46, 28 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

File:Поздравна телеграма на Андон Ќосето до Лазар Колишевски.jpg

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Jingiby (talk) 16:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

File:16 Април 1941,Струмица - Протест против Бугарските фашистички војски.jpg

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File:16 Април 1941,Струмица - Протест против Бугарските фашистички војски.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

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Jingiby (talk) 17:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

File:Mass murders done by the Bulgarian Fascist in Macedonia 1942.jpg

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Jingiby (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

File:Dabnica Massacre.jpg

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Jingiby (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

File:Zrtvi vo Prilep 1941.jpg

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Jingiby (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

File copyright status

Latest comment: 3 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

Welcome to Wikimedia Commons. While everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the project, one or more of your file uploads had missing or false information regarding its source and copyright status. Please note that Wikimedia Commons takes copyright rules and infringement very seriously. Files may only be uploaded and included if their copyright status meets the conditions stated in our licensing policy, and if their provenance is clearly documented. Files that fail to meet those conditions may be deleted, and users who fail to meet them may be blocked. Please follow our first steps, if you haven't already. If you have questions, feel free to ask at the Village Pump copyright question page or on my talk page. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I have warned you several times, but without result. Be aware, that if you continue to upload again images, several times after they were deleted, or such with unknown author, unknown location, unknown date, taken from unreliable source as private sites without reliability as Znaci.net, or even obvious manipulations, or falsification, etc. I will report you to the admins here. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 17:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

How can znaci.net be unreliable source? These last images that you try to report, are bothering you because of what they represent. Their copyright status is totally legal for use, so you have problem with their descriptions I guess. And that has nothing to do with copyright as you try to manipulate the admins here. My description is taken from the official war-archive museum of ex-Yu, you can even see the old typesetting of the machine when they archived the images and even their archive numbers. So, stop misinterpreting the facts here.--Forbidden History (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

To determine scholarly opinions about a historical topic, consult the following sources in order:

Recent scholarly books and chapters on the historiography of the topic

"Review Articles", or historiographical essays that explicitly discuss recent scholarship in an area.

Similarly conference papers that were peer reviewed in full before publication that are field reviews or have as their central argument the historiography

Journal articles or peer reviewed conference papers that open with a review of the historiography.

Earlier scholarly books and chapters on the historiography of the topic

Single item "book reviews" written by scholars that explicitly discuss recent scholarship in an area.

Introductions to major scholarly works on the topic or introductions to edited collections of chapters often represent a survey of the historiography

Signed articles in scholarly encyclopaedias. Jingiby (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your input, but it seems that you need to consult this check list as well. Your misinterpretation of Dabnica Massacre from Prilep in 1942, trying to present it as I was referring to the one form Pirin Dabnica in 1925, is out of any logic. For you to understand for the first time to understand that there was actually a massacre in Dabnica in Prilep in 1942, maybe these Bulgarian documents will shed a light for you (http://www.oldprilep.com/ivan-kucarov/#!prettyPhoto[Gallery]/5/), cause obviously you are not even aware that this event happened. How can that be my fault or mistake? As I said above the images are museum facts, part of Yugoslavian and now Macedonian museum archives and are also used when publishing books in the past as this oneː http://macedonia.kroraina.com/jp/gal/index.html, there is the image on page 213. It's obvious that images are bothering you not their description or copyright that's why you try to misinterpret the problem with the Admins.--Forbidden History (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

File:Parading through liberated Skopje 1944.jpg

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Jingiby (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

File:Liberation of Skopje 1944.jpg

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Jingiby (talk) 08:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

History Museum of Skopje

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Hi, may you provide a link to the History Museum of Skopje and his exposition. Thanks in advance. Jingiby (talk) 17:24, 30 May 2021 (UTC) ːːThe institution that used to function in the past was called Historian Archive of Skopje and I'm not familiar when and how they are transformed. The Museum of Skopje link is | here. Thanks, --Forbidden History (talk) 17:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Both of the images that were uploaded of Veselinka I have added the websites/book where they were uploaded from. Vesеlinka in London is from 1952, and it is used in a book released in 2006 (is that a problem?). Forbidden History (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

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