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File:Arms of Chichester.svgEdit

Your image above possibly shows the tinctures in the wrong order. The blazon is Chequy or and gules, which I believe means the first check is or not gules, as you have shown. By the way - you seem to be systemmatically extirpating my heraldic images from the project (File:ChichesterArmsNew.PNG), etc., which makes me feel I am wasting my time somewhat. Perhaps there is room for a variety of images (provided of course they meet an acceptably high standard) by a variety of contributors? What is your objection to my image? They are png, but made from svg images, and appear exactly as sharp as the underlying svg. I do not use the grey varnish top-coat which you seem to like, but that is not a requirement for heraldic images, which were actually very bright and colourful in mediaeval times, for example as described in the Caerlaverock Roll. The dulling grey patina is thus a form of "antiquing" to taste, and is not a required part of heraldic artistry.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 18:52, 13 July 2017 (UTC))

  • @Lobsterthermidor: I'm so sorry, I didn't see your earlier message! (Horrible ADD). I think your images are fantastic in appearance but they're supposed to be in SVG. I only replace them as I come across them - I'm not targeting your stuff at all, so I hope you don't feel that way. Reasons vector is preferred: The vector images are lossless as opposed to bitmap PNGs/GIFs/JPGs, which is why the "this file should be recreated in vector" template gets slapped on new shields that aren't in vector. See below. Also, SVG files tend to also be much smaller in size, which means they take up less server space and download quicker. For example compare the sizes of Arms of Mowbray.svg (32kb) vs. MowbrayArms.png (138 KB). Finally, the vector shields can be easily fixed and altered or updated by anybody, or their elements reused, which is another reason why they are encouraged. For example, the Chichester arms - anybody who spots a mistake can fix very easily without having to recreate the whole thing. Since it's vector, it doesn't have to be me.

Anyway does that make sense? If you still have the original files and want to export as SVG, that would be awesome. Wikimandia (talk) 23:53, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Stourton PNG
Stourton SVG
quality in PNG vs SVG
Example of Lobsterthermidor's "magic shield" using Inkscape, providing max flexibility in composing elements, but requiring conversion to png then cropping. This is an svg image. I can move that fess up 2cm or down 2cm, narrow it, no problem. I assume that to export as svg you'd have to tailor fess to engrailed border, very tricky! and once done you're not going to want to change it
    • Thanks for your reply, you may recall we had a discussion on this topic on my talk page (14 Dec 2016, heading "PNG"). I can't argue with your technical point re file size, but my images are well within commons tolerances. I do understand your point regarding the image of the Stourton arms above, but these were made by me before my Inkscape days - true pretty lousy quality. But now the png images I upload (thank you for your compliment) are exactly the same resolution as svg ones. (see my latest image   and see if you can see any difference) You may be interested to play about with my "magic shield" svg image above, tell me what you think, it saves a lot of time and allows for great flexibility. You will then see why it is impossible for me to upload as svg. I'm sure you agree with me that the look of two drawings of the same blazon by different artists is different, so "replacement by svg image" is like replacing a painting of a sunflower by van Gogh with one by Monet. Subtle differences, same subject! I spend a great deal of time arranging/composing elements "just right", balanced - to my taste of course, and bright! You are assuming that people might want to produce a poster size image, which I suppose is possible, but surely these images are primarily to suit the requirements of a WP article viewed on A4 or on screen? Also, tell me what you think about my comment on the "grey patina top-coat" I mentioned above. Regards.(Lobsterthermidor (talk))

File:COA Tuchet, Barons Audley.svgEdit

Did you take a tea-break? lol (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2017 (UTC))

validating SVG filesEdit

Hi Wikimandia, to some of your last uploads I added the Image generation (or Imgen), so you can see its usage.

Regards, -- sarang사랑 18:59, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

File:Arms of Baron Carew.svgEdit

Thanks for the new image of Carew arms. It would possibly be preferable when contributing a completely new design such as this, to upload it to a new file, as the previous image on this file has now been lost. The facility for "uploading a new image" relates only to "this image", i.e. tweaks only: lighter, darker, border enhanced, etc. It is probably quite useful for reference purposes to have a wide range of different interpretations of coats of arms in the category of each family, even if not of good quality. Would it therefore be possible for you to upload your new image onto a new file and revert old file to previous image? Many thanks.Lobsterthermidor (talk) 22:17, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @Lobsterthermidor: Yes, no problem. I'll be happy to do that. I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do with all of the files flagged as having bad SVG. They were all created by one user who is long gone. I started just re-uploading new files but I will go back and revert the other ones too, although ideally they shouldn't be used until the errors are fixed. This one also has the lion in the wrong position but I think there is a specific template somewhere that is supposed to be used for that. Wikimandia (talk) 00:04, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
    • Thanks a lot for having done that. You are correct to notice that the lions in that image are incorrectly shown as guardant. However, of course even on monuments erected by the families themselves, mistakes in depictions are sometimes made. I have just seen one to the Sydenham family in Broadhembury Church which shows billy goats instead of rams (possibly a bad restoration, who knows). I have seen monuments with the Carew arms shown incorrectly too. So we probably don't need to delete/supersede all incorrect images, although of course if they are svg they can easily be corrected. of course as you say incorrect images should not be used in articles, but should perhaps just remain as comparatives in the categories. I find that having a selection of images of all qualities helps the really good and correct images to identify themselves, which helps in understanding the correct form.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 23:04, 29 August 2017 (UTC))
      • @Lobsterthermidor: Yes, I can see this logic. Btw, did you see the message I left on your talk page, above the other message, about the SVG vs PNG? Wikimandia (talk) 13:45, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
        • Just seen it now, Wow, that sounds very useful, I'll try that out, thanks for the tip.Lobsterthermidor (talk) 10:59, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
          • You're welcome! I hope you find it useful and timesaving. It's especially convenient when dealing with all-over patterns like ermine or fleur-de-lys, which as you know are such a nightmare to try to fit into any shape manually. Wikimandia (talk) 19:40, 4 September 2017 (UTC)


I guess you should be familiar with Commons:File renaming. Please, have a careful look at it before renaming more files. In particular, don't rename any file unless the reasoning matches one of the clearly stated conditions to rename. Respecting other people's work is a must in a place like this. Renaming a file without any reason covered by the policies and against the wishes of the uploader is definitely something that would lead to the removal of the file mover rights. Best regards --Discasto talk 21:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

This one. Thanks --Discasto talk 14:38, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
And this one too @Wikimandia:. Surely renaming should only be done after proper checking - this was one of a pair of quite different images that have messed up time and again by ignorant editors that have no relationship with the project they're from and who have no idea about what these images are, and they've been aided by commons admins who ... frankly should be doing way more due diligence. I asked for a revert of one of these only to be refused on the grounds that the image name was already taken! ... Hello, that "taken" name's a REDIRECT, not a file! Fanx (talk) 08:16, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Where is the CoA of the Catholics Monarchs?Edit

Sorry, you don't know the Coats of Arms of Catholics Monarchs and the Spanish State (1938-1977). Please don't remove my correction. --Parair (talk) 14:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Dual extensionsEdit

I was working through the list here: User:Dispenser/Double_extension

Maybe you could spare some time to reduce the backlog? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:16, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I didn't build the list : User:Dispenser did but thanks for the note of support. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • @ShakespeareFan00: I saw that now, and that it gets updated once a month. A lot of them have been fixed already. I'm surprised the system even allows double extensions, though some are mistaken (ie would get flagged as .gif and .jpg). I'm going to propose they not allow names with double extensions. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 14:49, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Minor barnstar
Thank you for fixing my sloppy mistake at Gaby Moreno. Schorle (talk) 08:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Balliol coats of armsEdit

Hi Wikimandia, I was wondering whether you could create two coats of arms? The coats of arms of the House of Balliol (French/English and Scottish) and the coat of arms of the Balliol of Cavers. Examples can be found here; Regards Newm30 (talk) 10:15, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanking you in advance. Newm30 (talk) 10:37, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: You're very welcome! I made those two (File:Balliol arms.svg and File:Balliol of Caders arms.svg) and I am going to make a couple more for use in the Balliol biographies on Wikipedia. I wasn't sure how thick to make the orle (it's not very common) so let me know if you would like it thicker or thinner. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 11:36, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much. The orle as depicted in both the arms you have created are thick enough. I was wondering whether File:Balliol of Caders arms.svg should be File:Balliol of Cavers arms.svg? Also do you have admin rights to delete current image File:Balliol of Redcastle coat of arms.svg and redirect to File:Arms of Ingram Balliol.svg, as your image is much clearer and better? Regards Newm30 (talk) 23:40, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: Ooops I renamed that one as Cavers. I don't have admin rights to delete File:Balliol of Redcastle coat of arms.svg but since you just uploaded it, you can request speedy deletion within 7 days if it is not being used. You can tag it with {{SD|G7: author/uploader request}} (see COM:SPEEDY) or you can just redirect it yourself using #REDIRECT[[]]. There is also no harm in just leaving it if it's a free file. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 05:39, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Your help is very much appreciated. Regards Newm30 (talk) 07:55, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Bissett/Bisset armsEdit

Hi Wikimandia. I came across a Bissett variation that is "Azure, a bend sinister Argent" (Balflour's Register. 1650). Currently none exist to redirect to, so I was wondering if you could create File:Arms of Bissett of Beaufort (alternate).svg based on File:Blason ville fr Grisolles (Tarn-et-Garonne).svg? Regards Newm30 (talk) 21:18, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

  • @Newm30: Done! How's that look? I noticed the arms for Grisolles used a slightly different blue, more teal, than the usual template. Do you prefer that blue? — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
    • If the heraldry standard is different then I would prefer the standard Azure (blue). If you do not want to adjust arms for Grisolles as well, could you create a File:Arms of Bissett of Beaufort.svg? Regards Newm30 (talk) 22:49, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
  • @Newm30: The tinctures vary considerably, but I usually stick with the tones adopted by the French Project Blason, since I really like the general look they created. And actually the French Wikipedia is the only project I know of that adopted an official style to be used project-wide, which is why I was surprised to see a slightly different blue used for a French town. Anyway I added the second file. These are fun and easy for me so let me know whenever you need more. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 23:00, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you and I appreciate your help and assistance. Regards Newm30 (talk) 00:20, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: Done! Do they look OK? — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 17:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Could the File:Bissett of Lessendrum (ancient).svg be changed to use the escallops as shown in File:Armoiries de Heddesdorf.svg? The File:Bissett of Glenalbert.svg looks great. Regards Newm30 (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: No prob! Done. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 21:41, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. Is there any possibility (last request for this week) - Azure, a bend Argent, a label of five points (ancient) in chief - File:Arms of William Bissett of Upsettlington.svg (Ragman Roll, 1296) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newm30 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: Sure, do you know what color the label should be? — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 21:57, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
I think I will forget about that one at the moment as I do not know the colour of the label. Regards Newm30 (talk) 22:25, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: I just uploaded it anyway using gules since this is the most logical color - sometimes the cadency colors in the older arms are not mentioned and can be anything that doesn't clash (usually, red, black or white). It's easy to change if you find it specified. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 22:31, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you once again. Will let you have a few days off before I request any more. RegardsNewm30 (talk) 01:01, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Cumin garb (the spice)Edit

G'day, I was wondering whether there is any svg cumin (the spice) garb available in heraldry via Wikmedia Commons? If not could you ask any contacts as to whether one could be created? I have found these examples [[1]] & [[2]] which are banded. I need for future arms a version with a band and one without a band. A version then of each is required in Or and Argent. If you have any questions let me know? Regards Newm30 (talk) 08:24, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

  • @Newm30: Hi, I think these are supposed to be cumin garbs (must be canting arms): File:Jan Comijn.svg but they're a little cartoony. I think these must be related to Comyn arms - see article here with the theory that these are supposed to represent garbs of cumin. Anyway, I can draw my own tomorrow, probably based on the second one. No problem to include a band. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 08:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
    • Thanks Newm30 (talk) 08:57, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Cheyne armsEdit

Hi Wikimandia. Hope you had a great weekend. I was wondering whether you could have a go at creating the following?

Regards Newm30 (talk) 22:36, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

fixed file names. Regards Newm30 (talk) 00:21, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Newm30: I'll be happy to do these! I'm still working on a new garb. I've found quite a few hand-drawn versions I think need to be recreated so hopefully you'll like one. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Newm30: I've done most of these - take a look at the first one. There are a lot of sizes for chequy and fretty patterns so let me know if you want it changed. Take a look at Category:1 fess fretty for examples if you want a larger or thinner pattern. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 19:10, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Wikimandia. Seeing as we don t have any examples other than the description, the arms as created are great. Regards Newm30 (talk) 21:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: Glad you liked them! I created the edock leaf based on photos of the actual leaf. It's a very rare charge apparently, unique to Scotland. I also added the arms for the baronet. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 03:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
That is very interesting about the edock leaf. I also didn't even know about the Cheyne Baronet of Leagarth. Regards Newm30 (talk) 06:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: I found an example of the alternate arms [3] and it's pretty close, just a thicker fretty. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 15:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I think this was the arms referred to in Burke, but now identified as File:Cheyne Viscount of Newhaven arms.svg. Suggest moving the alternate arms to this file name? Thanks for the lookup and find. Regards Newm30 (talk) 20:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: Would it be better to rename it Cheyne of Newhaven, or of Cheshire? In the SP, Balfour Paul refers to "this branch" of the House of Cheyne but I have no idea the correct name. The arms belonged this family before the Viscountcy was created. I also found it here in the book of feudal coats (great source), including an example of it quartered [4]. Also happy to do the other ones below. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

*I just noticed Balfour Paul said this was a fretty argent so I created a different file - File:Arms of Cheyne of Newhaven.svg. If you can think of a better name for this branch let me know. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 23:35, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Obviously two differenced arms of the same family line. Maybe File:Arms of Cheyne of Newhaven (alternate).svg would be a good move for current file File:Cheyne alternate arms.svg? Thanks for the new resource to. Lots of reading to do. Regards Newm30 (talk) 23:58, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
  Done - renamed — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 00:09, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


Just wondering if you would be interested in creating these?

Newm30 (talk) 23:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Aytoun armsEdit

Hi Wikimandia, I saw that you created arms of Aytoun of the Ilk, and have come across the following variations;

Regards Newm30 (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)   Done

  • @Newm30: All done, but I'm not sure about how the lion is supposed to look at John Aytoun's arms. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be above the baton, like it's sitting on the baton (similar to when batons are crowned) or what. I've found these descriptions but no example.[8][9] I'm going to ask at a heraldry forum. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 03:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, thought those ones would be easy enough. There always is one that is not clear. The Homes of Aiton arms - Quarterly, 1st and 4th, Vert, a lion rampant Argent, armed and langued Gules (Home), 2nd and 3rd, Argent, three popinjays Vert, beaked and membered Gules (Pepdie), charged in the centre with a rose Gules. File:Arms of Home of Aiton.svg Regards Newm30 (talk) 06:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: No prob. By the way, do you have a preference for the rose? I used a plain heraldic rose but I also like File:Lancashire rose.svg with the white center. Let me know if you have a preference. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 08:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
I don't have any preference. I have looked at other Ayton armorials online and most use plain red, without colour in centre. Regards Newm30 (talk) 09:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: Yes, I noticed that too - even though they're blasoned "gules" I made them proper, since Fox-Davies said that flowers are almost without exception proper even if it doesn't say so. But I guess that created confusion so they just started specifying proper in the 20th century. They are proper in the Ayton village arms so I think that is most accurate. I did the Home of Aiton arms but FYI I'm going to change the birds later since I realized the wing position isn't right. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 13:05, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately without access to the original emblazoned arms, we have to make best judgment. Heraldry is not an exact science as much as we would like it to be. I like the roses proper as you have created. Should they are found to be incorrect, then they can be changed. Regards Newm30 (talk) 01:05, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


Apparently related to Aton and de Vesci.

There are a number of variances, but will research more before requesting. Regards Newm30 (talk) 07:29, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Regards Newm30 (talk) 13:15, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


  • Fairfax. Quarterly, 1st & 6th: Argent, a lion rampant Sable debruised by three bars-gemelles Gules (Fairfax); 2nd: Argent, a chevron between three hinds' heads gules (Malbis); 3rd: Barry of eight, Argent and Gules, on a canton Sable a cross patonce Or (Etton); 4th: Or, a bend Azure (Carthorpe); 5, Argent, a chevron between three martlets Sable (Ergham). File:Arms of Thomas Fairfax of Walton and Gilling (d. 1520).svg (Metcalfe, Book of Knights, 1885)   Done
  • Fairfax. Quarterly, 1st & 6th: Argent, a lion rampant Sable debruised by three bars-gemelles Gules (Fairfax); 2nd: Argent, a chevron between three hinds' heads Sable (Malbis); 3rd: Barry of eight, Argent and Gules, on a canton Sable a cross patonce Or (Etton); 4th: Or, a bend Azure (Carthorpe); 5, Argent, a fess between two lions passant-gardant in pale Sable (Folyfate). File:Arms of William Fairfax of Walton and Gilling (d. 1597).svg (Metcalfe, Book of Knights, 1885)

Regards Newm30 (talk) 21:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)   Done

@Newm30: No prob! — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 21:50, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the arms created so far. Its great to see the arms come to life. Regards Newm30 (talk) 10:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome, it's fun for me! This is my first time making a quarterly of six. I was surprised there were none already for Fairfax. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 10:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the arms you have created. I found this description of arms in French for Monsire William Malbis (d'argent, a une chevron de gules, atroistestes debys rases gules). My French is not so good but it appears chevron is gules. The family appears to be French in origin. I have created a number of categories for the families arms shown the Faifax arms above. I'm not sure which name to use for Folyfate i.e. variations. Regards Newm30 (talk) 20:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
@Newm30: I think it's now Follifoot based on this index I found. Follifoot is the village name (see all the spellings here), but I'm not sure if Follithwaite is more common as a surname? — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 09:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Just found that a member of the Malbis family changed their name to Beckwith in line with marriage contract between Hercules de Malbis and Beckwith, daughter of William Bruce, lord of Uglebarby. Their son Nicholas Beckwith bore Argent, a chevron between three hinds' heads erased gules. The family line was Beckwith of Aldborough. Newm30 (talk) 21:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

  • This site also shows Malbis as gules, and also has "Follyfoot" as a spelling. I'm not sure if this is a common surname either since most of my searches are related to a children's TV show by the same name. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 09:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Have created Category:Follifoot arms based on current name of village. Regards Newm30 (talk) 07:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

File movesEdit

Hi, I've seen you have moved some files as per request by user:Xavier Badia Castellà now the user has again requested to restore it. Please verify before moving files as there was no need to move them as the names were correct before. @Steinsplitter: please have a look --✝iѵɛɳ२२४०†ลℓк †๏ мэ 16:15, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @Tiven2240: He requested the files be renamed from Ausiàs Marc to Ausiàs March. March is apparently the preferred spelling - see links to articles on Wikipedia here - all "Ausiàs March". As March is the common name and the user was requesting to rename his own files, I don't see why they shouldn't have been moved. Nor do I know why he is requesting to now move them back. He writes his descriptions in Catalan and even in that language, apparently March is the preferred spelling. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 17:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Constable family armsEdit

A couple of requests to start off.

Regards Newm30 (talk) 02:56, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @Newm30: No prob, also, I remembered the garb for the Comyn arms and I'm started working on coming up with a better one. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 06:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Constable - Sable a cinquefoil between eight cross crosslets or. File:Arms of the Constable family of Catfoss.svg.   Done
  • Constable - Quarterly of sixteen. 1st: Quarterly gules and vair, a bend or (Constable), 2nd: Gules, a pale of lozenges or (Halton), 3rd: Or, a lion rampant purpure (Lacy), 4th: Or, a chief azure (Lisours), 5th: Chequy, or and gules, on a chief argent a lion passant-sable (Cumberworth), 6th: Argent, two bars engrailed sable (Stanes), 7th: Argent, a chevron between three martlets sable (Argum), 8th: Gules, an eagle displayed argent (Suthill), 9th: Gules, a cinquefoil argent (Poucher), 10th: Argent, a bend sable (Paynell), 1th: Or, on a mount a pear-tree vert (Pirton), 12th: Or, on a cross sable five crescents argent (Ellis), 13th: Gules, a lion rampant vair (Everingham), 14th: Argent, a fess azure, in chief a label of five points gules (Birkin), 15th: Sable, a chevron between three fleurs-de-lis argent (Cauz), 16th: Argent, on a fess between two bars-gemelles gules three fleurs-de-lis or (Normanvill). File:Arms of Marmaduke Constable, 2nd Baronet of Constable of Everingham.svg
  • Constable - Quarterly, gules and vaire, over all a bend or a mullet for difference. File:Arms of the Constable family of Hatfield.svg   Done
  • Constable - Or, a fesse compony argent and azure. File:Arms of the Constable family of St. Sepulchre's Garth.svg   Done

A few more. Regards Newm30 (talk) 03:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the arms created. Wishing you a very Merry Xmas and Happy New Year. Regards Newm30 (talk) 10:03, 22 December 2017 (UTC)


Hi Wikimandia, I hope you had a great chirstmas. Just a couple of question on the arms you created.

  • FitzWilliam arms- Lozengy argent and gules. File:Arms of FitzWilliam.svg - Just noticed a few different numbers of lozengy across on variants of sheilds?
  • FitzWarin - Quarterly by fess indented argent and sable. File:Arms of William FitzWarin.svg - redirect to File:Arms of Fitzwarin.svg which is gules. The example identified by Dugdale, indicates William differenced his by sable. Can you create new arms for William?
  • Baron of Halton - Gules charged with four Fusils conjoined in pale each fesswise Or. File:Arms of the Baron of Halton (modern).svg - The fusils don't appear correct? I have seen an example where the top fusil touches the top of the shield. Your thoughts?

Regards Newm30 (talk) 07:54, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @Newm30: For lozengy shields, there's a lot of variances in sizes and shape (some are actually square and others more lozenge shaped) but I'm happy to create a different one with either larger or smaller lozenges if you have another example. Sorry about FitzWarin, I thought it was the same shield so just redirected - I'll fix. Re: Halton - in the only example I saw, it didn't touch top or bottom: File:Arms of Baron of Haulton 02755.jpg. Can you show me the other example? Thanks. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 13:39, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
There does appear to be quite a difference for lozengy shields. It must be a way of differencing lozengy shields, as some have three or four or five at top (shown in Foster's Feudal Coats of Arms). I think we should leave File:Arms of FitzWilliam.svg as you have created. Thanks for the correction to File:Arms of William FitzWarin.svg, I have now linked from article of William. The example I seen is WikiHeraldry Runcorn arms, another example at Cheshire Heraldry shows the fusils as almonds (which apparently is a early form) early example and also Norton Priory shows an example. Regards Newm30 (talk) 04:37, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @Newm30: By the way, I came across this gorgeous 16th-century manuscript with a lot of arms I recognize now: Descents of the houses of Warwick and Essex - if you go to page six, it shows the old-style fusils but they are a bit more pointy than the ones done by cheshire-heraldry. I'm going to create one liks this, as an alternate form, which I think might be useful for the Wiki article on lozenges, to show how they used to look. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 08:24, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Clavering armsEdit

Just a couple more. Newm30 (talk) 05:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)   Done

  • Napier-Clavering - Quarterly, 1st and 4th: Quarterly or and gules over all a bend sable (Clavering); 2nd and 3rd; Quarterly, i and iv: Argent a saltire engrailed cantoned with four roses gules barbed vert (Napier of Merchiston), ii and iii: Or on a bend azure a mullet pierced between two crescents of the field all within a double tressure flory counterflory of the second (Scott of Thirlestane). File:Arms of Francis Napier-Clavering (1859 - 1937).svg
One more. Thanks for all the heraldry you have created so far. Newm30 (talk) 00:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok, last one for 2017. Regards Newm30 (talk) 02:23, 29 December 2017 (UTC) - Updated those done Newm30 (talk) 07:01, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Newm30 (talk) 07:59, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I made a boo booEdit

Hi Wikimandia. I seem to have gotten the arms wrong for Richard FitzEustace. The arms apparently were Quarterly or and gules and his son Roger FitzRichard (d.1177) is indicated as adding the bend sable to his arms. Can you redirect File:Arms of Richard FitzEustace.svg to File:Arms of Roger FitzRichard (d.1177).svg and then redirect File:Arms of Richard FitzEustace.svg as there is two articles relating to individuals known as en:Richard FitzEustace and en:Richard fitz Eustace, to a new file File:Arms of Richard FitzEustace (d.c. 1163).svg, showing Quarterly or and gules. Any questions or counter suggestions welcomed. Regards Newm30 (talk) 01:00, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I was able to replace the original file after deleting the redirect so I don't think there is no need to create the new file (d.c.1163). Let me know if it looks right! — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 05:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Looks great. Thank you. Newm30 (talk) 06:53, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hugh de LacyEdit

Hi Wikimandia. I noticed this edit of yours to File:Coat of arms of Hugh de Lacy, Earl of Ulster.svg. I created the image so it's on my watchlist. I've undone the edit. The image is derived from a reliable source, which I have just double-checked. I haven't made a mistake. It's just a historical fact. It's not uncommon for medieval figures to be accorded differing coats of arms. So, it's not dubious. It is what it is.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 01:46, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

  • @Brianann MacAmhlaidh: The tag doesn't mean YOU made the mistake, just that the historical accuracy is disputed, and it's only a tag, not a deletion request. The template parameters specify it is "for coat of arms where the correctness or accuracy is disputed." Paris is the only source for these arms (along with a few people who cite him), and he apparently cites one event or monument? His work is not that reliable (his own Wikipedia article says as much), but even so, information from a reliable source can still be challenged on Wikipedia when it conflicts with other reliable sources. The fact of the matter is these arms are highly dubious, and Paris confused him with someone else. They do not resemble any arms born by the de Laci family and all other sources, French, English and Irish, consistently state that he bore the same arms as the Earl of Lincoln. They are not arms of his wife's family or mother's family. The disputed tag should remain (just as any "dubious" tag would in any article), to advise people that the factual accuracy is disputed. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 04:17, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I understand where you're coming from in that medieval sources do not necessarily record reality. And I can see why someone might be sceptical of the coat. But we can't publish our own opinions based upon our own original research. That's not to say we can't use editorial judgement: a coat of arms that is commonly and reliably associated with someone should probably be preferred over one that is much more obscure. But as a Wikipedians, we can't take it upon ourselves to present something as "factually disputed" or "dubious" just because we suspect it to be incorrect. We can only convey points of view presented in reliable sources. In this case, no reliable source has actually disputed the factual accuracy of the coat. As Wikipedia:Core content policies states: "all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not clearly advanced by the sources".--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 02:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @Brianann MacAmhlaidh: I think you should take a look at Wikipedia's policies on disputed content. Yes, we can most certainly present something as dubious or factually incorrect. That's why these tags exist! Especially in the cases where reliable sources disagree, and Paris has been noted for making mistakes. It's the same thing as if 100 historians say some historical figure active around 1600 was born in 1565 and one sole historian says the birth year was 1500. That is so out whack that is very dubious, and should not be given much credence as it is obviously a historical error. Like I said, it's not a deletion request, just advising people these arms are doubtful as belonging to Hugh de Lacy, Earl of Ulster. There are plenty of notes like these on coats of arms. Don't take it personally. — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 05:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
  • To be clear. There is no published dispute. There is no published debate. Nothing. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, to your own personal analysis, but you can't present it on Wikipedia. The little aside you gave is a good example of exercising editorial discretion. That's the point I was trying to make before. While we aren't allowed to present our own analysis—which in this case would be taking it upon ourselves to label a coat of arms as "dubious"—we are encouraged to evaluate our sources and follow the most reliable ones at our disposal. We can make judgement calls on which sources we choose to follow and what content to include. But that's different than going out and labelling a factoid as "incorrect" when no one else ever has. See what I mean?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 02:59, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy New YearEdit

Wishing you a Happy New Year. Newm30 (talk) 06:53, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Jan 2018 RequestEdit

Hi Wikimandia, hope you had a Happy New Years. Just a few to start off 2018.

Regards Newm30 (talk) 02:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Another one based on being same as de Saye arms. Regards Newm30 (talk) 03:28, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

De Say arms correction requiredEdit

Hi Wikimandia, I was just viewing the File:De Saye arms.svg image and noticed that the current version shows "Quarterly, Gules and Or" not "Quarterly, Or and Gules". Just wondering if this was an error or a variation you have seen? Regards Newm30 (talk) 01:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

  • @Newm30: Oops - that was a mistake. There was an SVG error and I uploaded the wrong file when fixing it. Thanks, I'll fix it. I've been slammed at work so I haven't been able to do many designs unfortunately but I hope to get to it soon! Hope you're having a great year so far! — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 13:36, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
I know what you mean by being busy with work. Last year I had 3-4 times the workload of most staff. Hopefully this year I can reduce that workload. Don't stress about arms I have requested. You make sure you look after yourself first. Newm30 (talk) 21:51, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
I think you uploaded the same file? Newm30 (talk) 23:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Newm30: It's definitely fixed but the preview on Commons is very stubborn and can take a while to refresh. Click on "Other resolutions" under the main image and it will show. Also, under Preferences --> Gadgets, there is a "Generate Thumbnail" tool that I use to refresh it quickly. When you activate it, it shows up on the left sidebar under tools. Thanks for the well wishes, and seriously, making new arms is such a joy for me especially since it completely takes my mind off the stress! — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 05:02, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
That is strange. I wish Commons had a quicker refresh sometimes, so I don't look silly. Newm30 (talk) 03:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


Hi, can I ask you a favor? I remember that you fixed some errors in this svg ► File:Flag map of Georgia.svg (made in Inkscape) and since that file got the same size (512 × 261 pixels) as my new svg made in Illustrator, I've thought that you use Illustrator for editing. I am new in Illustrator and I have very strange problem. In commons preview and in this ► Template:Location map Georgia Adjara "Adjara region map" looks good but in some cases ► hy:Կաղապար:Տեղորոշման քարտեզ Վրաստան Աջարիա it becomes blurred. SVG code says that everything is ok. I don't know what can be a reason? Any ideas? Could you check the file? Thanks in advance. --g. balaxaZe 19:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

  • @Giorgi Balakhadze: Hi, these two files look identical to me. I don't see any blurring on the Armenian-language one. Is it possibly a cache issue with your computer? Can you take a screenshot to show me what you are seeing? — ʷiḳỉℳẚṅ₫¡₳ (talk) 04:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Arms of BebingtonEdit

I note your creation of arms for the Babingtons of Dethick with the ten torteaux. Would you be kind enough to create one for Bebington/Babington (a branch of the ten torteaux family) whose arms are 'Sable, three stags' heads cabossed Argent'? These arms are similar to those of the Cavendish family though they are comprised of three stags rather than three bucks.

- All the best — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesW567 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

@JamesW567: - Hi, JamesW567, I have created the arms File:Arms of Bebington.svg to assist Wikimandia. Hope this is adequate. Newm30 (talk) 01:21, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
@Newm30: - Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesW567 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

February requestsEdit

Hi Wikimandia, just a few requests for February. No rush whenever you can.

Regards Newm30 (talk) 02:51, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Newm30 (talk) 01:35, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

File:Fiennes-Saye arms.svgEdit

Hi Wikimandia. I was just checking a file and noticed that the 3rd Quarter seems to be out of scale? Hope you are well and can help me with some Inkscape questions, as I have decided to try to learn some basic skills at first. Regards Newm30 (talk) 04:58, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Review of created files requestedEdit

Hi Wikimandia, I have been experimenting with some creation of heraldry via Inkscape and I have uploaded a few recently. Can you review the following files which I am not 100% happy with and wonder if you could go over them and tell me what I did wrong?

I know your busy, hence why I am trying, slightly with easy tasks to reduce my requests for you. Regards Newm30 (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

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