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Thanks of manually replacing hundreds of images across all the Wikiprojects (so I didn't have to), and for your tireless contribution to the field of heraldry and vexillology on Commons. Thank you! Sodacan (talk) 05:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
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For obvious reasons. INeverCry 20:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for making a vector version of this flag on such short notice! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 15:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
  The SVG Barnstar
Thanks a bunch for taking the time to make SVG flags of all these U.S. federal agencies! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 13:29, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
  Thanks for keeping the image category up to par. Enjoy! - FOX 52 (talk) 18:13, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  The strawberry fruit (which is not actually a berry) is widely appreciated for its characteristic aroma, bright red color, juicy texture, and sweetness.

For all the .svg (and flags) work you do here. Your edits are appreciated. :) -- Steinsplitter (talk) 17:45, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thanks for creating SVG files of Wikimedia projects. Also, thank you for contributing countless SVG road sign diagrams. TagaSanPedroAko(Let's talk/Usap tayo) 13:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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Just wanted to take a moment to say THANK you for all the tireless, awesome work you have done with all the road sign svg files in the community. You've made my model railroading ideas a lot easier to accomplish, and my quality of realism more than would've ever been possible without all the work you have done. Thank you! Fgossage (talk) 15:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
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A quick note of appreciation for excellent artistry on coats of arms, which images much enhance the attraction of Wikipedia, as well as helping provide visual explanation of important families. Un grand merci! L'honorable (talk) 19:38, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for all the work with road sings in Colombia! Keep up the great work! Aardila (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks for helping to mark the traffic sign of the Kingdom of Thailand.I have to do a variety of vehicles such as cars, buses, trailers, tuk tuk, as svg file. If done all the way in Diagrams of Symbols road signs of Thailand มองโกเลีย๔๔ (talk) 05:26,18 January 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you for more +200.000 contribs. Keep it that way. Web Source Self-Management System (talk) 19:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


ALoha! I just read your comment that you just remove DR notifications. Anyway, that got me thinking (imagine!): Do you know about the OneClickArchiver? -> w:en:User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver Works like a charm. One click and gone. Cheers,   --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 04:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

No, I had not heard of that before, but I will definitely take a look. Thanks! Fry1989 eh? 21:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Fry1989!Edit

Request opinionEdit

Hi! Could you take a look at this gallery? Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I will. Thank you. Fry1989 eh? 17:55, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Mozambique Air Force insigniaEdit

Hey Fry if you happen to come across any clearer version of this insignia, can you let me know I'm trying to complete Mozambique's new roundel. I've got the text, but the eagle and lions head above I have not idea of their correct dimensions. Many thanks - FOX 52 (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll certainly pass it your war. Fry1989 eh? 22:32, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


Hello Fry1989, I want to ask you to make this file in the same format a white (transparent) color, if possible. thank you in advance! Best regards — Mehman 97 20:24, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

@Mehman97:, do you want the crescent and star to stay red on a white background, or be white on a red background? Fry1989 eh? 16:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I want everything to be transparent, including a star and a crescent. If you can create one, I will be grateful. :) — Mehman 97 16:55, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
File:IslamSymbol-white.svg like this — Mehman 97 16:57, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
@Mehman97:, how is this? File:TurkishEmblem-White.svg. Fry1989 eh? 23:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, this is what I need, thank you very much :) — Mehman 97 09:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome :) Fry1989 eh? 16:30, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Emblem of Abu DhabiEdit

Hello Abu Dhabi I changed the Emblem if you would kindly update.[1] [2] ,Sorry bad english-- 00:57, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I will certainly update the emblem, but it will take 3-4 days as I am busy for now. Thank you. Fry1989 eh? 19:50, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much-- 21:07, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


Hello. I want to talk about history part of File:Flag-map of South Korea.svg in the first. That island (right part of Korea) is Ulleungdo, not Dokdo (also known as Liancourt). Maybe this is your mistake I think. So I request you add the Ulleungdo in File:Flag-map of South Korea.svg and File:LGBT flag map of South Korea.svg. Thanks. --Idh0854 (talk) 07:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Still I'm waiting for answer. Thanks. --Idh0854 (talk) 20:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
I am sorry, I forgot to check my talk page. I will fix the map. Fry1989 eh? 17:54, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Road signs in MyanmarEdit

Dear Fry1989, I am currently working in Myanmar on road related project and I am looking for road signs design. Did you create by yourself the svg file of the Myanmar Stop sign ? If so is it exactly matching with the standard ? I would be interested in other signs if you have some available. Regards

Hello. I created the shape of the sign, but the Burmese characters were created by FOX 52. However, we created the sign because there are photographs. Without any photographs or charts of other road signs in Myanmar, we don't be able to make more. Fry1989 eh? 21:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Category:Stop signs by inscriptionEdit

Please do not put files in this category. This category is a metacategory and should contain only other categories. I have moved all the files you put here back to Category:Stop signs. If you have any questions about this, feel free to ask. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:57, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I created that category with a specific intent, I know what it is. Fry1989 eh? 14:53, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Then it needs a more appropriate name, and probably a description of what goes here instead of in Category:Stop signs. The name "Stop signs by inscription" indicates that it contains subcategories grouped by what is written on the sign: in other words, a metacategory. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:15, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Can you please explain what your "specific intent" was for this category? I don't think it can remain with this name and not be a metacat, which would mean no files allowed in it. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:12, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
It is my intention to contain all stop signs regardless of their inscription. However I do not believe there should be a sub-category for a single image, so any signs with only one or two images should remain in the master category. Fry1989 eh? 16:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree that signs without a specific subcategory should remain in the master category. However, the master category is Category:Stop signs, not Category:Stop signs by inscription. Categories whose names indicate "by" something like this are metacategories, which contain only categories and no files. The name Category:Stop signs by inscription means "stop signs grouped by what is written on them", not "stop signs that have something written on them". That might not be what you intended, but that's the what the kind of name you chose means. It's common for there to be files that don't fit into a grouping under a metacategory; those files just stay in the metacategory's parent cat. In any case, I nominated the category for discussion, so we will see what others think. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:45, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

South Carolina First flag ProposalEdit

Hey I'm wondering if you would be interested in making a svg of the first official draft of the South Carolina flag; Which is simply defined as [The] National Flag or Ensign of South Carolina shall be white with green palmetto tree upright thereon; and the union blue, with a white increscent

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegunkid (talk • contribs) 07:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
@Thegunkid:, I could make the canton, but the tree is beyond my abilities. Fry1989 eh? 16:36, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

By the way, the PNG does not have an increscent... AnonMoos (talk) 06:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


I assume you know about User:Squiresy92's uploads of national coats of arms? I'm not sure I have a strong objection, but some people might... AnonMoos (talk) 06:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware. For the most part, I find their edits to be an improvement. There are one or two that I have a little niggle with, but I'm not upset. I would understand if others were, however, yes. Fry1989 eh? 15:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Flag proposals for the new French regionsEdit

I was wonder if you can match the symbol on the proposed flag of Occitanie with this symbol and this proposal of another region with that

P.S. Rename the proposed flags to their official names of the regions. Thanks. 2607:FEA8:4F20:59F:D5DD:1F44:478:D2E 00:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

SADC road sign TR581.svgEdit

Hello !

"Dont" is very short, isn't it ?

My changes are introducing some fluency to make update and create new road signs. It is what I tested by using styles CSS. I've generated easily the other signs of the same family.

On the other hand, you can cancel a change in the 'history' tab, instead of reloading your version.

for the pleasure of reading you soon.

--Michka B (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I don't like users using different types of code or file size reduction on my images. I find it usually creates minor flaws in the original image. Fry1989 eh? 18:47, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I remind you that you drop Wikimedia longer belongs to you even if you are the author.
Then I do not use another code as it is the use of style sheets in SVG as W3C recommendations.
Wikipedia is a world of openness and discussion even if power relations are present!...
In addition, I bring W3C validation.
Wikipedia is a world of openness and discussion even if power relations are present!... And you ?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Michka B (talk • contribs) 22:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

File:Outline of Ukraine.svgEdit


SVG source of the current version of this file contains an additional invisible Ukraine's outline beyond page borders.

Is it ok?

Rino ap Codkelden (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I have removed the artefact. Fry1989 eh? 16:50, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

France road sign C27.svgEdit

Hello and thanks for your relevant changes.

But, would it be possible to change the borders, currently blue, in black for this sign (this is SVG format)?

Good continuation, Mathis73 (talk) 09:36, 20 August 2017 (UTC).

I have fixed the image as requested. Thanks :) Fry1989 eh? 17:10, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Perfect :) Mathis73 (talk) 17:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Australia flag undeletion requestEdit

Hi, I added my support for your undeletion request but I'm really confused/curious as to why people are saying these are copyrighted. I'd like to be able to explain my answer better. Are the available online anywhere else I could see, ie imgur? Thanks! Wikimandia (talk) 18:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

@Wikimandia:, thank you. Yes, the two images I re-created were this flag and this flag. They aren't related to the Aboriginal Flag at all. Fry1989 eh? 17:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Wow. Thanks. These are absolutely not related. I would add the links to your undelete request so anyone else stopping by can see the absurdity. Wikimandia (talk) 17:15, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Colombia road signs reviewEdit

Hi there, I've had a chance to go through the signs you so generously created. I noted my comments in my user_talk for your review. I didn't want to start editing a bunch of your images without first checking with you, so I only edited minor things which I thought made sense. If you're OK with the changes, let me know in that page if and which comments specifically and I'll be happy to save you the trouble of editing the images (except for the renames, as I don't have that privilege here). Once again, thanks for your work on this! It is highly appreciated! Have a great weekend! --Aardila (talk) 16:05, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, just wanted to ask the source for the changes to the old information signs (like this one, for example)? I'm looking at the official 2004 manual available at and the previous versions were correct. The metadata was also overwritten with different sign names which are not those in the official manual. --Aardila (talk) 13:49, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Aardila:. I apologise for my slow response, but my computer died and I've been without a new computer for the last 4 days. I have a new one now, so I should be back in business. Regarding the old information signs, I have the old version of the Manual and it has different measurements for those signs. So I was updating them to those specifications. Fry1989 eh? 19:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to hear about your computer. I'm not sure what version of the document you have, but when I look at Chapter 2 on the page I linked above, I see the old versions of the info signs are now different from what you're uploading (starting on page 68 in the document). I had also recently gone through them and updated the names and translation as per the 2004 manual (linked), but that info also seems to have been overwritten, so I was wondering which version of the manual you were using exactly for both the graphics and name updates? Can you post the link? Thanks in advance. --Aardila (talk) 22:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
@Aardila:, I can't seemto find the document online, but I could email it to you. Fry1989 eh? 23:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Also, I have found manuals for Bolivia and Peru. They are not high quality, so I'm not sure how well I can recreate the images, but I will make an attempt in the future. Fry1989 eh? 00:33, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Can't you upload it to a file sharing platform and publish the public link to the document here? I guess what I'm not understanding is how this source is more authoritative that the government site for the Ministry of Transport that I linked above that would warrant overwriting all files and metadata? Awesome job on getting sources for Bolivia & Peru! :) --Aardila (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
@Aardila:, I did not think of that. Great idea! I have uploaded it to Dropbox, you can view and download it here. There are two versions of the 2004 Manual. One version has all the signs together on the same document, which is the version that you have. The other is in three separate chapters for Preventivas, Reglamentarias, and Informativas. That version has construction sheets. Fry1989 eh? 18:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
@Aardila:, have you had a chance to look at the document? What are your thoughts? 19:50, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Symbol Types of cars Used with road signs of ThailandEdit

Hi ! Thanks for helping to mark the traffic of the Kingdom of Thailand.I have to do a variety of vehicles such as cars, buses, trailers, tuk tuk, as svg file. If done all the way in Diagrams of Symbols road signs of Thailand --มองโกเลีย๔๔ (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)มองโกเลีย๔๔

Hi @มองโกเลีย๔๔:! Thank you, I enjoy working on the images. Some are a bit difficult, but it is worth it. Those SVG files would help a lot. Fry1989 eh? 01:37, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Book which may be of interestEdit

I found at a very, very cheap price in a used bookstore near where I live "Canadian City Flags: 100 Flags from Abbotsford to Yellowknife". (With older flag versions, alternative flags, and flags of former municipalities merged into other municipalities, there are actually a lot more than 100 flag illustrations in the book.) I guess this is more up your alley than mine, so if there's any info in the book which could be helpful, feel free to ask me... AnonMoos (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

That definitely perks my interest. If you're up for doing some scans, that would be great. Fry1989 eh? 17:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm not really set up to do scans now. Maybe I'll just send the book to you sometime after the holidays (i.e. earlyish 2018) -- though the last time I mailed books to Canada, I had to fill out a customs declaration, and the person receiving them had to pay some kind of tax on the declared value. My favorite flag so far is Inuvik, Northwest Territories, while my least favorite is that of Lethbridge, Alberta (a.k.a. "Fort Whoop-Up"), which is "reflective of what an inebriated person might draw while attempting to draw the Stars and Stripes"...   -- AnonMoos (talk) 07:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
That is a very kind offer, though you don't have to if you don't want to. I ship a care package to the US for a dear friend some times and I've had to fill out the customs thing, but he's never had to pay anything on the receiving end. I've also never had to pay on the receiving end for shipping for my banknote collection from various countries including the US, and that's actual money so those have real monetary value...sounds weird to me.   Fry1989 eh? 19:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Anyway, it's apparently on-line at -- AnonMoos (talk) 10:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

File:Presidential Standard of Indonesia.svgEdit

Do you know where is this flag actually displayed? Because the symbol itself are actually used in a document of a law (see this), but I never see this flag displayed near the president (like POTUS flag). Thank you.--Hddty. (talk) 10:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

I do not have any photos, the only source we have is FOTW and Hubert-Herald. Fry1989 eh? 19:44, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

I hope that you are not selective and hypocritical when it comes to independence movements.Edit

I hope that you are not selective and hypocritical when it comes to independence movements. You have only voiced your support for an independent Catalonia. But what about your support for an independent Quebec which happens to be in Canada, an independent Basque Country, an independent Scotland, an independent Flanders, an independent Kurdistan, an independent Northern Cyprus, an independent Nagorno-Karabakh, an independent Republika Srpska, etc? —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 19:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't really have much of an obligation to answer, and since this is an IP address instead of a user I don't even know if you will come back to read this, but I will answer for the fun of it. I support self-determination as an inalienable human right. I don't believe any country is indivisible, and don't believe that a country can just put "indivisible" in their constitution and that magically makes it so. You raise the issue of Quebec. As a Canadian, that independence movement is the most relevant to me. I don't want Quebec to leave my country. I want Quebec to be a happy, successful, integrated, contributing member of the Canadian nation. That said, if Quebec held a referendum, and a majority of the population voted for independence, I would accept it. I would accept it because it is their democratic right, because I believe it is a human right, and because I believe that a peaceful divorce is better than an unhappy marriage forced by violence. Spain has used violence to force an unhappy marriage, and has violated the human rights of the Catalans in doing so. That is why I have expressed my support publicly on my Wikipedia/Commons accounts on this issue. I hope that answers your question. Fry1989 eh? 20:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough. I retract what I said. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2018 (UTC)



Can you add the borders of South Sudan in File:Fatimid Islamic Caliphate-ar.png, File:Fatimid Islamic Caliphate.png and File:Fatimid Islamic Caliphate He.png, because modern borders are superimposed on these maps and South Sudan has been forgotten. These maps are almost duplicates with the same colors and resolution but are language variants of each other.

Thank you. 08:29, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I do not know how to change PNG files. But if you make the request in the Graphic Lab, I am sure someone will be able to change the borders. Fry1989 eh? 20:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

File:Flag of North Yemen.svgEdit

Hi Could you change the color of the green star, like to File:Flag of Syria.svg ? --Panam2014 (talk) 14:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Done. Fry1989 eh? 18:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. And for File:Coat of arms of Yemen Arab Republic (1974–1990).svg, could you also change the color and also add the detail like to File:Coat of arms of Yemen.svg?--Panam2014 (talk) 22:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Official working drawings for Irish road signsEdit

Hi Fry! Of all the Wikimedia users that have dealt with road signs, I would confidently say that you are the single biggest contributor, in terms of diversity and quantity (in a good way). I understand that you are a busy guy with your own priorities and all that, but I have found something that might interest you: Official working drawings for Irish road signs. The link is an official website where you can browse the traffic signs and view most of their working drawings in a PDF format (very few in chapter 4, although pretty consistently for chapters 5 & 6). This might just make Ireland worth re-visiting some time in the future.

Cheers! - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 22:14, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@VulpesVulpes42:, well hello!! What a lovely surprise. First let me thank you for the kind compliments. Secondly let me say this just tickles me pink because I've wanted to do Ireland properly for years but the 2010 manuals from DTTAS are all raster and don't have construction sheets, so I was limited in what I could do. A repository like this is exactly what I need. It is true I have a lot of work to do, I've got a dozen or more countries to work on (and I still have to finish SADC which is exhausting), but Ireland is going back up on the list for sure. Thank you so so much! If you ever come across any other repositories, don't forget to send them my way. :D Fry1989 eh? 00:16, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Will try to keep that in mind :)
Also (and pretty ironically), full-colour vector images are included in each and every working drawing, but they seem to be pretty low-quality, so I would try to ignore them and just stick to the actual diagram for reference. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 07:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Oh, and in order to save you the hassle of hand-tracing letters and all that I should let you know that the fonts that are used on Irish traffic signs can be downloaded here:
VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Bulgarian signsEdit

I'd like to ask to make Bulgarian signs when you have time. You can look at here to help you while making them: 20:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the source. I won't be able to make those signs in SVG format, but I can upload them in JPEG. I will search for other documents that might have SVG graphics for Bulgaria. Fry1989 eh? 21:49, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Construction sheets for New Zealand road signsEdit

Hello again! When you asked me to send you any repositories that I stumbled across, I tried to think of any that I knew off the back of my head, and I realized that New Zealand had a similar repository as Ireland (albeit a bit less user-friendly). However, I was hesitant to send it to you because it was the same link that you yourself had provided as source for the road signs ([3]). In the end, I decided to bring this up with you despite that, since I had noticed (at least a few) discrepancies between their EPS images and your SVG images. The particular example that I had in mind was regarding your speed limit signs:

A fairly thick border... Now, compare this to the official diagram as provided by the New Zealand government:

Noticeably thinner border, which meant that one had to be wrong... I decided to do a little experiment with GIMP, in which I would convert their EPS image to an SVG, and load both your and their version at a size of 9000 pixels (since one of the sizes they listed was "900"). The correct image should in that case have had a red border with a width of 1100 pixels. The results were surprising: Both were too thick! The red border on your version came up at exactly 1500 pixels, while the New Zealand government's EPS had a red border 1124 pixels wide, so closer to the officially given measurement, but not quite.

I am not sure how this situation arose, but it should be fairly easy to correct with them having a repository with construction sheets, dimensions, proportions, and all that. Once again I want to make it clear that I am aware of your priorities, but I thought that it would be worth bringing up so that you might do something about it when you have more time. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 11:50, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi again. Yes there is a discrepancy with the New Zealand road signs. All the signs I uploaded were official, but the NZTA appears to have redesigned many of them, including the speed limit signs to have a smaller red border. Compare [4] with [5]. I am waiting on the NZTA a bit though because their repository used to be complete, but they recently redesigned the website as well and now they don't have all the signs anymore, they seem to be adding them back in pieces, and very slowly. It is annoying, but New Zealand will be a long-term project. I have to re-name all the signs here on Commons as well to meet the naming convention I proposed a few years back, but I also need all the signs to be in the repository to properly rename them because the NZTA has 3 different names for the signs, under the Rule, Code, or MoTSaM number, and I want it to be uniform. Fry1989 eh? 17:36, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
An interesting side-note, before the late 80s/ early 90s, the signs in New Zealand followed a very different pattern. They were black, with white symbols and either a red or yellow border, notice [6] and [7]. I've made the Give Way sign (which I need to re-do), and a few others, but there's more. I have tried to find as many photos as I can on websites like Flickr, but that's always a fishing expedition and don't have great luck. I emailed the NZTA asking if they have any old documents, they emailed me back a few days ago but I haven't read it yet. I'm kinda scared to. When I emailed the South African Government about any old copies of their former RTSMs with the 1960s-1990s design where the signs were blue like this, the woman I spoke with was very kind but said she only knew of one copy left and said it hadn't been digitized so it's staying soundly in her office. I'm scared of getting the same answer from the NZTA. Fry1989 eh? 17:54, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
I see. Given the circumstances, your choices and actions have been 100% logical. I had also noticed the confusing plethora of different codes and naming systems which the New Zealand government employs. By the way, thank you for sharing those pieces of trivia. They were interesting indeed. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 07:21, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Vector drawings for Icelandic road signsEdit

I had already written a nice long message to you, but just before I was going to submit it my Wii U ran out of memory (don't ask) and decided to reload the page, so I had to start all over again *sigh*
I do apologize, but I don't feel like writing it all over again, so I'm just gonna give you the link and let you have a look for yourself:

VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 21:08, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I was wondering where that website went, I had seen it a long time ago but misplaced it. There's also one for Sweden, Norway and Finland, I have those thankfully. Fry1989 eh? 21:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Singaporean road signs "no stopping" and "no waiting"Edit

Good day (or whatever time you're reading this)! Now that I have answered your message back at my talk I was hoping that you could give me an answer to one of my questions. I saw that you added the link to road signs "no stopping" and "no waiting". The reason as to why I myself was hesitant to do it when I added the links to all the other Singaporean road signs that you had done was that the official construction sheets for those particular signs included white arrows. My question is, are variants without arrows in use, and if so, could you give me a photograph, or, is it so that Singapore only uses these signs with white arrows? Thank you in advance. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 09:55, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

The SDRE only shows them with arrows, but the Basic Theory Of Driving handbook shows them also without the arrows. I do intend to upload versions with the arrows in the future. Fry1989 eh? 17:39, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Well, that is a satisfactory answer. Thank you! - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:14, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Just a follow-up, I found some examples of these signs without the arrows. On major roads with emergency bays, there are signs which replace the arrow with the text "In parking bay". Fry1989 eh? 20:24, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

☆Good job, you finished Thailand!☆

VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 21:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: Flag of Royal Military College of CanadaEdit

I originally posted the following on PneumaticEditor's user page:

I updated the .svg image for this flag as you suggested, however, user Fry1989 revised my change on the file itself. He says that "It is unclear if the proportions have been deliberately changed or the flags were improperly made." In any case, the .svg version should be used, but should it be the tricolour version or the pale? This is unclear. It appears that in historical contexts, and when RMC flags are sold commercially on the internet, they are 2:3 tricolours, but in contemporary RMC use they are 1:2 pales. That being said, I cannot find any official justification for the change from tricolour to pale.

Here, if you look at the image on the bottom right, the original heraldric artwork for the flag of RMC St. Jean is shown, and it is a tricolour in 1:2. Perhaps this should form the basis for the flag.

Regarding the motto, I believe it should be only in English, as the motto is recorded only in English in the original blazon, which is the authoritative description on how each element of that coat of arms is to be depicted.

What do you think? The CSOTK (talk) 05:10, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


Request for some simple flags.Edit

Hey I'm just wondering if you could do a simple request, it's File:De Zavala Flag.svg, could you realign the letters so they're actually centered between the points? And maybe change the font to News Gothic?

Beyond that could you also make a variant of it where the S is at the bottom? Since that was actually the format used on the back of Texas Dollars.

Also can you make a red variant since that was mentioned in contemporaneous newspaper reports at the time? Thank you. --Thegunkid (talk) 08:35, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Thegunkid:, sure I can take a swing at it. Fry1989 eh? 18:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@Thegunkid:, is that better? I didn't have the font you mentioned, but I used RutaCL which is rather simple. Fry1989 eh? 18:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes that's great, just be sure to make the variant with the S at the bottom since like I said, that's the format used by the Republic of Texas, and currently used by the State DPS for their seal. --Thegunkid (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
To add I think the one with the S at the bottom should be the main one, with the current one being a variant. --Thegunkid (talk) 23:43, 2 May 2018 (UTC)


Hi. I noticed you'd been involved in this discussion, and, since I'm not the best judge of what falls under PD-shape and what doesn't, would you mind taking a look at these:

and letting me know if they too fall under PD-shape? I have a feeling that maybe 2 wouldn't but 1 would? Thanks in advance. - ක - (talk) 08:02, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jesuschristonacamel:, thank you for messaging me. Sadly I do not think either would be accepted under PD-shape on Commons. The patterns are very original. Fry1989 eh? 18:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. There go my hopes of using them on lists/tables!- ක - (talk) 18:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
I am very sorry. Fry1989 eh? 18:23, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


Won't lie, I might have felt a tiny bit sick when I saw this:

VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 14:07, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@VulpesVulpes42:, I'm confused, what is gross about it? It looks like a normal sign to me. Fry1989 eh? 17:07, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Two of the symbols, the lookout and the camera, are copyrighted by Standard New Zealand. If one is to use them legally, one is supposed to purchase a CD ROM from them. Well, guess I'll have to live without the camera DL©.
Now, I'm obviously exaggerating a bit (OK, maybe a lot), but I genuinely find the degree to which the simplest of things are copyrighted nowadays a bit absurd. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:52, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't notice. But the NZTA licenses their diagrams under Copyrighted Free Use, so technically you don't need to worry about legality unless you're using them for profit and then things might get a bit complicated.
BTW a question regarding the Vienna Convention. Do you think I should do signs like the STOP sign and others with inscriptions in the 6 working languages of the UN? So far I've just done them in English. As a slight side note, I seem to be loosing steam a bit. I hope to complete the Convention but some days I really just feel so blah. I hate when that happens. Fry1989 eh? 18:07, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
I apologize for replying so late. To be completely honest, I feel like both alternatives are completely logical. Not doing all 6 UN languages makes sense because a lot of countries which do not speak English still use "STOP" and the like. Doing the 6 UN languages also feels logical. If I were you, I'd probably begin with doing all the signs, and then deciding on whether or not to do the signs in the other languages. However, I ain't you, so the choice ultimately rests in your hands. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 06:55, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Wrong Info in File:Swiss pharmacy logo.svgEdit

You wrote "Swiss Government", but it's surely not correct! It's the Logo of a private lobby organisation of the swiss pharmacy shops. It's the biggest organisation, but it's surely NOT governmental. Because i can not so good write in english and i dont know about licenses in commons i wrote something here. There are sources for my correction (in german, of course, its alos available in french from PharmaSuisse). --H7 (talk) 14:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing the attribution. Fry1989 eh? 16:42, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Before you continue with: UK ~ Singapore ~ QuebecEdit

I noticed that all these countries were on your todo list. I'd figure that I should give you some information before you undertake these endeavours.
First off: UK. I would be willing to guess that you are familiar with the official illustration repository. However, I do not know if you are aware of the official construction sheet/working drawing repository. If not, let me know and I'll give you the link.
Next up, Singapore. So, we have official government documents. However, the vector illustrations included within are of poor quality. But since many of Singapore's road sign designs are of British origin, it would feel justified to just use the British vector drawings, where applicable and appropriate.
Lastly, Quebec. I know for a fact that you are acquainted with the Quebec repository. I would also guess that you are aware of the construction sheets. But just to be sure, I might as well ask. If you are unsure on how to access the construction sheets, let me know.
VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@VulpesVulpes42:, hi there. Always happy to hear from you :)
So firstly I'll address Singapore. Some of the diagrams do look quite inferior. I've been spending my spare time the last few weeks using Google Streetview and Flickr and some other repositories to try and collect as many photos of real life signs as I can. Some really are "that bad". Take [8] and [9] for the quayside sign, and [10] and [11] for the no overtaking sign, as examples. So I intend to try and make the signs be faithful recreations, even though you and I both think the symbols are pretty shoddy looking. Also a side note, it appears that prior to the late 1990s, Singaporean road signs did not use the backing board and were cut out based on their shape like in most countries. I have collected several photos of signs such as [12], the stop sign, give way sign, and others. I intend to recreate these as well.
Regarding the UK. When you say official repository, I presume you mean the TSRGD website? I did have a free subscription to it quite some time ago, but then they switched it to a pay service and the price is far too high for me to afford. Which is a shame since the EPS files were of really good quality. I do not know of any construction sheets, so I would be happy to see what you have.
With Quebec, I also did not know of any construction sheets. I would also appreciate the link to that. Fry1989 eh? 18:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I didn't actually know that TSRGD was a thing before you brought it up. For free, you can find both EPS images and working drawings on the good old (you'll need to scroll down the page till you get to "Traffic signs images and drawings", and then click on any of the "schedules"). As for Quebec, here's how to access any working drawing. You know this website where you can browse image galleries and download image files? You need to click on any sign in the gallery. When you are on that road sign's individual page, you should see a button "Afficher le devis technique (PDF)", or "View the specifications (PDF)" if you are browsing the site in English. Depending on how your browser deals with PDF files, the PDF construction sheet should either begin downloading, or open up in a new tab. I also believe that they give you the option to include a PDF construction sheet when you download road sign image files. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I see. They made a web app for the TSRGD. It was very useful. I knew that the signs were still available on the website, but they were of lesser quality the last time I checked them out. But that is great to see they have been improved since then.
With Quebec, I never noticed that. It appears not all the signs have that option, or at least not the most recently added ones. But that is still very helpful. Fry1989 eh? 19:58, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
As I see it, the British EPS drawings could be useful starting foundations, then fine-tuned according to the working drawings/construction sheets. Very happy that I could help! - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Incomplete lists at the Vienna Convention of Road Signs and Signals galleryEdit

The motorway and directional signs are yet to complete, and I hope that you will complete the signs for motorways and directional signs for the Convention gallery and I will hoping for your full completion of the convention gallery.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ALF-MY (talk • contribs) 03:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
I do intend to complete the gallery, it will just take time. Fry1989 eh? 16:28, 18 May 2018 (UTC)


I saw that you removed the links. Isn't any link better than no link? If Wikipedia operated by that logic, the website would be a lot less trustworthy. Links become dead from time to time, sometimes they are replaceable, sometimes not. But is that a valid reason to remove them? Sorry if I seem harsh, but I'm just wondering. — VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:42, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I just messaged you at the same time you messaged me, hahaha. I usually only include links to my files if they are photographs. I just didn't think they were necessary, but I'll put them back in. Fry1989 eh? 19:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, what a curious timing coincidence! You're a cool guy for being able to change your mind after being presented with arguments. Just out of curiosity, do you find nitpicking annoying? On one hand, I'm a bit reluctant to bombard you with nitpicks regarding minor details about the files you've uploaded, but on the other hand, you seem to be someone who has an eye for detail, fixing symmetries and geometry unnoticeable to most people. — VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:52, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
I nitpick a lot. I am obsessive-compulsive about making my images as exact as I can, making the infoboxes efficient, colours being accurate, to the extent that sometimes I can't think straight. So I am no one to judge others for nitpicking. And I am always open to advice and concerns. Fry1989 eh? 19:57, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Alberta road signsEdit

I am starting to work on Alberta road sign diagrams, as well as completing Philippine road sign diagrams (and creating diagrams for old ones), and here is a source for vector road sign drawings in Alberta: . I have created some, but I'm not sure of the copyright status (the road signs are under Crown copyright), so if we want to upload them, contacting Alberta Transportation is a good idea. We have route signs already (which are obviously too simple), but for other road signs, that gives us the question. -TagaSanPedroAkoTalk -> 03:52, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@TagaSanPedroAko:, hi. I am currently working on Singapore. I still need to finish the Vienna Convention (it is 90% done anyway) but got kinda bored so I needed to work on something different for a while. I have downloaded all of the Alberta and Ontario working drawings, and do plan to do them in the future as well. Most of them are textual or basic shapes and won't pass copyright, there are some that are more questionable though, like some of the animal signs. I will know better when I start to work on them, but that is some time away. Fry1989 eh? 15:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@Fry1989: We may upload most signs because they are too simple in design, but we will take note that we cannot upload a few signs here, especially route markers. Route markers copyrighted by the Alberta government (e.g. Yellowhead Highway marker, Crowsnest Highway marker, etc.) are uploaded already in Wikipedia under fair use. We have route number signs already in Category:Alberta Highway shields, including versions from the 1970s, and Trans-Canada Highway markers for Highways 1 and 16 (white maple leaf on green background, with "Trans-Canada" and province name in caps, also green. Already in the public domain).--TagaSanPedroAkoTalk -> 04:38, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree, there will be a few that can not be uploaded. But most are safe for Commons. Fry1989 eh? 17:29, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Low bridge ahead?Edit

It's weird, I cannot find this sign in the SDRE... yet you improved the sign with official dimensions. I also remember seeing this sign somewhere... am I going crazy? Is this perhaps a deprecated sign? You seem to know the answer, so I am going to let you explain. —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

It can be seen on Google Streetview on Stadium Road. My presumption is that it is a one-off, since I've not seen any examples anywhere else and it is not in the SDRE or any historical documents I have been able to find. It is only used on one approach to the low bridge, it is absent from the opposing approach. Fry1989 eh? 18:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
So when I remember seeing it, I probably remember that particular image file while browsing through the gallery. As for the dimensions and proportions, I presume that you simply replaced that awful font with the official one, and proportioned everything to be more in line with actual SDRE signs. Anyway, thank you for answering :) VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:45, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it appears to have the exact same proportions as the REDUCE SPEED NOW sign, so that is what I did. It is possible that area has had unusually frequent bridge strikes, or maybe some LTA employee ordered the sign without official approval. Fry1989 eh? 18:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Since you are working with Singapore...Edit

I did not plan to contact you this many times in such a short timespan. Judging by the quality of the font, I would guess that you have the relevant chapter of the SDRE. Just to be sure though, I'll give you the link: [13] VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I do have that document as well as 2 others from the SDRE. I check them against each other and so far they all match up. But you can contact me any time, I appreciate it. :) Fry1989 eh? 21:01, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletionism strikes againEdit

Howdy, Fry. Need your help with deletionists. – Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs), 21:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Ficta Voluptatis Causa Sint Proxima VerisEdit

I am really curious about that link... will it ever go from red to blue? What is it all about? Is it a surprise? —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 13:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I have been here for about 10 years (time flies!). I have been blocked from editing as a sort of "time out" many many times, sometimes deserved, sometimes not. There is one admin in particular that doesn't like me and lied to get me blocked and took their vendetta to getting another admin to lose their rights. I even caught them in their lies, but nobody wanted to listen. It was a Latin phrase I created for myself because of the outrage I felt at the time. I intended to document those lies, but have since moved on. I keep it on my page so I do not forget how some admins here behave and get away with it. It will stay red. Fry1989 eh? 16:50, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I feel your pain, Fry. We've fought in the trenches together. – Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs), 08:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC)


Hello, it's-a me again! Just want you to know that you are doing tremendous work with Singapore. Keep it up! But more importantly, take your time. I do not want be that kind of guy who loads your desk with a bunch of paperwork and then leaves, but I found a few government links which might make Chile worth re-visiting whenever you feel like it. I noticed that the current Chile road signs are shoddy vectors extracted from PDFs. I found the PDFs, and while the vectors contained therein are still as bad as ever, if you scroll past them you'll see mathematical construction sheets: [14]
The manual is split up into different chapters. In the provided link, you'll want to scroll to a chapter and click on a "road sign" with the text "Descargar capítulo" to download that chapter's PDF. The documents are in Spanish, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem as the mathematical construction sheets are the most relevant piece of information.
Also, Chile ditched the FHWA font a while back ago in favour of Ruta CL. I found another government link where you can download that font, which should be helpful. Let's just hope that the font is competently vectorized... VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:17, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I have those already   But I greatly appreciate your effort to help. Thank you. Fry1989 eh? 20:25, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Well that's good. I still think that we (at some future date) should work away at those awful vectors. My SVG skills are ever so slightly better than what they used to be, so I think that I could do a few of them myself actually. —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, Chile does need to be re-done. But as you can see, my list is so very long it is difficult to prioritize which countries should come first. If you want to take a try at it, you are more than welcome to. Fry1989 eh? 20:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Wales (working drawings)Edit

Since you will do the UK in the future, I thought that you might benefit from working drawings for Welsh signs ([15]). You'll want to click on the red text that says "Traffic Signs Documentation" to expand the list of schedules. Then you can click on any of these schedules to see a list of PDFs. Doing Welsh bilingual signs is probably not your highest priority, but I thought that you having the link couldn't hurt, and I also know that you have done a bilingual yield sign for Wales. — VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 15:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I do have that source as well, but the problem with their PDFs is that the letters are broken into many pieces. That makes re-creating them more difficult. But it would be nice to do them some day. Fry1989 eh? 16:17, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Question for someone with an eye for detail and an understanding of geometryEdit

If you compare the two images ([16] and [17]), which zero do you think looks better? Thank you. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Both appear ok to me, though the second one has a slightly more narrow black ring. Do you have a construction sheet for the typeface? Fry1989 eh? 16:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
I sadly do not have construction sheets for either the font or the road signs themselves. Surprisingly, I have only been able to find construction specifications for old Swedish signs, and the pre-Tratex font. On the official web page where Tratex can be downloaded, they state that the font can be freely downloaded, but that the quality cannot be guaranteed. Since I had noticed some flaws, I contacted the Transport Agency and asked if there was a way to guarantee the quality of the font. I got the polite but disappointing answer that there didn't exist a good solution to my problem, and that the digitized version of Tratex had not been updated in years. Since you think that both versions look OK, I think that I will revert my change, since I believe that it is better to keep close to the official EPS rather than to strive for some marginal benefit. — VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:28, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Regarding Singaporean curve signsEdit

You held off from doing the inner curves of the two curve signs. Wouldn't it be fair to assume that the radius of the inner curve is the radius of the outer curve minus the width of the stroke? — VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I tried two different methods. The first was based on the diagrams from the SDRE, which does not seem right at all since the inner curve is wider than the outer curve. But I did try and it still tripped me up. Then I tried the second way with the inner curve being that of the outer one minus the stroke as you suggest, but if I do that with the width of the stroke being 65mm, there is no room for an inner curve. Math was never my best subject, but I can't figure this out. But as a side note, I used Google Streetview and some of them appear to lack an inner curve anyway. Fry1989 eh? 19:57, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Just as a test, what about switching the inner and outer radiuses from the SDRE? —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
I will try that some time in the future, but I am happy with the sign for now. Here's a streetview sign btw. Fry1989 eh? 21:09, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Old Swedish descent signEdit

A while back ago, I uploaded File:Sweden road sign 5 (1966).svg
I have added a source and a link to the PDF. Would you be so kind to take a look at my file and say how it compares to the image in the PDF? I was pretty happy when I uploaded it, and I figured that the 1960s print felt a bit sloppy anyway, but I would feel more comfortable if someone like you took a close look. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

It seems ok to me. Fry1989 eh? 18:38, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm a bit afraid that the number 10 is too big compared to the percentage sign... VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 10:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Without a construction sheet, that is hard to tell. Fry1989 eh? 16:01, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


Is the logo in the poster of this game copyrightable? I picked up a random experienced editor to ask this question because I have no experience to decide its threshold of originality. Harshrathod50 (talk) 15:52, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

The developer and producers are based in the United States, so that logo would be below the threshold. It should be safe to upload here. Fry1989 eh? 17:05, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. What pages here should I learn so that I can decide Threshold of Originality myself in future? Harshrathod50 (talk) 11:30, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Commons:Threshold of originality is good for the United States, but has limited entries for other parts of the world. Participating in deletion nominations will also help you build a wider understanding of the threshold of originality in various countries. Fry1989 eh? 16:39, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I'm on it. Harshrathod50 (talk) 06:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I found out the fontEdit

Well @Fry1989:, I reviewed the other speed limit signs and, I realised all (Arial Bold, Clearview and Highway Gothic) fonts were used in different versions of the sign. I don't understand the signs in the Philippines, some use Clearview and Arial Bold but no official records or whatever. Anyways, I would like to help vectorising the Chinese road signs and other non-SVG file road signs. --hueman1 (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

That is great, thank you. Fry1989 eh? 00:16, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Category Tunnel-related road signsEdit

Hello, I don't understand why you categorized many (all?) pictures of Category:4.07 (road sign, Switzerland) in Category:Tunnel-related road signs, instead of categorizing Category:4.07 (road sign, Switzerland) itself. Marc Mongenet (talk) 15:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

It's just the way I did it. I was looking for all tunnel signs. They can be sub-categorized if you prefer. Fry1989 eh? 16:45, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Border change of sign: Philippines road sign G1-1.svgEdit

@Fry1989: I was contacting User:TagaSanPedroAko but he/she is not replying about the border change of this sign. Can you review it? Thanks! hueman1 (talk) 23:29, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I see the change. Both seem acceptable to me, but I will try using Google Streetview and see which version is more common. Thank you. Fry1989 eh? 00:06, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
The older one is more common, and uses Arial Bold sometimes Clearview... I just don't get why are they using multiple typefaces. hueman1 (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Doing some Google Streetviewing, the previous version with rounded corners does seem to be more common than with square corners. I do not know about the typefaces, so I will accept your input about that. Fry1989 eh? 17:57, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
In what region do you street view? hueman1 (talk) 00:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
I was looking at the capital Manila. Fry1989 eh? 17:59, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
We have a problem about that. Road signs in Metro Manila may differ from the ones in other places, this is because Metropolitan Manila Development Authority have road signs of their own. This slightly contradicts from the ones (Department of Public Works and Highways) we are recreating, which is by the way the original and the one with standards. --hueman1 (talk) 11:08, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
This causes some variation in Philippine road signs in Metro Manila, while in provinces the road signs are old and sometimes unmaintained. I feel bad about these signs, some are covered with moss, some are rusted and some are severely damaged. And some are just painted with paint (Some kind of household paint). --hueman1 (talk) 11:12, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
@HueMan1: I'm sorry if I haven't replied to you in my talk page (I only came back to upload other national road number signs). I agree to have the font harmonized in all Philippine road signs and use Clearview. For sign borders, I remain undecided, as signs with square corners, somehow like those used in the US guide signs, are in use in newer guide signs (white on green/blue/brown). --TagaSanPedroAkoTalk -> 04:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
@TagaSanPedroAko: Since you've started making old road signs of the Philippines, why don't we just make all versions then? Someone get my point? Thanks by the way. I'm always here to help. --hueman1 (talk) 09:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

File renamingEdit

"Just because images share a category does not mean that they are part of a set. There are two scenarios that this criterion is designed for. First, certain complex templates (such as those that use BSicons or that display football kits) assume that the images used in them will follow a specific naming convention. Wikisource also uses a specific naming convention for the source files they transcribe. Second, files that form parts of a whole (such as scans from the same book or large images that are divided into smaller portions due to Commons’ upload size restriction) should follow the same naming convention so that they appear together, in order, in categories and lists."

Please do not do that anymore. --sasha (krassotkin) 21:25, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

"Files should NOT be renamed only because the filename is not English."

--sasha (krassotkin) 21:42, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

"Files should NOT be renamed only because the new name looks a bit better."

--sasha (krassotkin) 21:57, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

"Files should NOT be renamed only because the filename is not correctly capitalized."

--sasha (krassotkin) 09:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

It is in the long-term interest of Commons and the other connected projects to have the names of a set of images be standardised. I make sure of immediate replacement from one name to the other to make disruption minimal. In the case of the flags I am renaming, we have several flags of presidents, prime ministers, and other government officials. It is in the interest to standardise them such that the files are named "Flag of the...of...". You are also misconstruing the motivations behind the rename of certain files. I did not rename any files simply because they are in one language and I think they should be in another language. I rename them as part of standardisation or to correct naming errors such as spelling or wrong dates of use only Unless you have a meaningful objection against this standardisation, or evidence of it's disruption, I will continue my efforts. I have been a trusted user of the File Mover right for many years and am quite aware of the policies. Fry1989 eh? 21:45, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
  • We do not have such criterion of renaming as "standardization". Moreover, the rules unequivocally warn of the inadmissibility of such mass renaming involving 700+ projects. You constantly violate all renaming rules. If you continue to do this, I will have to apply for the removal of the renaming right from you. --sasha (krassotkin) 21:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Files across projects are renamed all the time, and in my several years as a trusted file mover, no other user has taken such objection to any of my renames. Also, I have proposed and put forward multiple file name standardisation schemes myself that have been accepted, so I know what I am talking about. This is a non-issue. Fry1989 eh? 22:11, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Favour request for someone with excellent command of Her Majesty's EnglishEdit

Sorry to bother you at this tumultuous time, but I would be quite grateful if you could take a quick look at the closer provisions of road sign A19 on my personal sandbox. While I am mostly happy with the translation, the expression "communicate instructions regarding" feels really wonky. I was just wondering if that is A: even grammatically correct, and B: appropriate in context. Thank you for your tremendous help not only towards me, but towards the entire project! —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:28, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I will certainly take a look. Thanks. Fry1989 eh? 17:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! Now, I am afraid of coming out as a jerk who asks for help, but then is like "nah nevermind", so let me make one thing clear: You replacing "communicate" with "provide" was immensely helpful and something that I would not have been able to figure out myself. Will keep that for sure. With that said, I have reasons behind the choice of wording when it comes to everything else. When translating Swedish legal texts into English, my number 1 priority is to get the idea across as precisely as possible. My second priority however is to translate everything as literally as possible (within the realm of English grammar and vocabulary, of course). This is why I wrote "especial risk" instead of "high risk", since "särskild" means something in the style of "especial" or "non-ordinary". If you do not have any strong objections against it, I may use "especial" instead. But if you do have objections against that wording, due to it for instance being ungrammatical or not getting the idea across, I would happily settle for something in between, like "especially high", or even just "high", if my arguments were unconvincing.
Then, I also saw that you replaced "may" with "shall". In the original Swedish version, the idea communicated was more similar to "the transport agency has the right to provide instructions". Maybe it's just me, but the idea that I get from your translation is that the agency is expected to and will announce new symbols as necessary, while in reality I *believe* that (while the agency has the right to issue new standardized symbols) one is supposed to ask the Swedish Transport Agency for permission if one wishes to put up a sign with a non-standard symbol. Unless you have any objections, I will probably replace "shall" with "has the right to". Once again, thank you for being so helpful and for being an excellent co-user! —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Don't worry, you don't come off as a jerk. I like helping people. I can understand the desire to make the translations be as similar as possible in both wording and the thought being conveyed. My choice to change "especial" was that it is a uncommon word and sounds archaic (to me). The word "especially" is much more common, but if we use that it would require some additional word such as "especially high" or "especially frequent" which you may dislike. I think the synonym "exceptional" might fit well here. But I will leave it up to you. Regarding the second part, I have no objection to changing "shall" to "may". I understand the less strict interpretation that is attempting to be conveyed. Fry1989 eh? 22:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
First off, your help has been invaluable. I got what I came for. You think that "especial" sounds archaic, which I find interesting. You see, Wiktionary categorizes less fashionable words using three words, which are (from weakest to strongest): "dated", "archaic", and "obsolete". "Especial" isn't actually assigned any of these words, so with all things considered, that is probably the word I'll end up using. I just see it as a word where the adverb form for some reason has become a lot more common than the plain adjective form. What's archaic in one language is formal and even common everyday use in another.
We are essentially done here, so once again, thank you for your help. Cheers! —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 07:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Question about "File:CW22-2.svg"Edit

I was looking at the file and noticed the "CW22-2" and the history says you moved it to that from "W22-2" in order to give it the "correct MUTCD designation". I see that Texas lists it as "CW22-2" in the "Texas MUTCD" but the United States Federal MUTCD, Table 6F-1 lists it as "W22-2".--The Navigators (talk) 04:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Greetings. Yes, I renamed it with the prefix CW because there is a discrepancy in the MUTCD file naming. Permanent warning signs and works zone warning signs are broken into two separate categories in the MUTCD. There are some signs which have a permanent version and a temporary version, but there are others that do not. File:MUTCD CW22-2.svg is only used in construction and blasting zones, there is no permanent (yellow) version of this sign. Since two files can not share the same name, there are two ways of going about naming these files. One is to name them "MUTCD W3-1 (temporary)", but therein lies the problem. Since many of the orange signs do not have a permanent version, naming them all with "(temporary)" is inappropriate. The other option is to name them with the W prefix changed to CW, the C standing for construction. Many of the files in Category:Diagrams of U.S. Construction Signs already had the CW prefix, and as you mentioned it is the prefix used in some state MUTCDs, therefore it seemed the most prudent option. Fry1989 eh? 17:22, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I see, sorry for the bother. (Although, funny enough I did locate a 'permanent' version of CW22-2. Made by Dept. of Defense for military bases where they test munitions and have sensitive equipment. But it's separate from the proper federal MUTCD, with its own special code.)--The Navigators (talk) 22:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Problem of PictureEdit

File:شجرة نسب عشائر الدرابسة(شمر) -الطرة.jpg Hello Fry, there is a photo which is actually a picture of another picture, it is a family tree which was done in the mid of the nineteenth century, and in the same it is an own work of the uploader which seems to has something wrong. Hani Dani (talk) 21:10, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I see the image, but what do you want me to do with it? Do you want me to change the license, or vote in the Deletion Request? Fry1989 eh? 17:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I think that Hani Dani is worried that, while the photograph itself is own work and public domain, the depicted family tree has a separate copyright status, and I believe that that is the reason as to why he or she has nominated the file for deletion. VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
That is a valid concern, but I have nothing to do with the photo. Fry1989 eh? 18:10, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Illustration workshop: Irish speed limit signsEdit

Hi. You seem to be an expert on road signs. Could you have a quick look at the signs on "Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Missing_Irish_speed_limit_signs" to see whether there's anything obviously wrong with them? The workshop request was made by an anonymous user in January, so I don't expect any feedback from them. And this is the first set of road signs I've made. There might be some conventions that I'm simply not aware of. Thanks. TilmannR (talk) 15:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

They look good to me. I intend to work on the Irish signs in the future with the specs from DTTAS, but that is still a long way off. Thanks. Fry1989 eh? 15:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Flag of SloveniaEdit

Hi there, there's an issue regarding colors on the Slovenian flag. Feel free to revert to my version if they change it and reach consensus on its talk page if this continues. --FreshCorp619 (talk) 16:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Without further information, I don't really have an opinion at this time. Fry1989 eh? 17:19, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

St. Kitts and Nevis Coat-of-ArmsEdit

The Coat-of-Arms of St. Kitts and Nevis is not blue. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 00:04, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

At that time, the Government of St. Kitts and Nevis depicted it in blue on their website and that is why I coloured it that way. Fry1989 eh? 17:23, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Request for service sign symbolsEdit

@Fry1989: Can you upload the service sign symbols of Australia? Thanks! --hueman1 (talk) 06:12, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Greetings. I would like to, but I don't have all the documents for those symbols. I am also currently working on Macau. But I will try to find all the symbols and add it to my list. Fry1989 eh? 17:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
@Fry1989: I'll try to find the website for the diagrams. Thanks! hueman1 (talk) 02:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
@Fry1989: I found this link hueman1 (talk) 02:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I'll give it a try. Fry1989 eh? 18:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
@HueMan1:, done. Fry1989 eh? 18:41, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
@Fry1989: Thanks! --hueman1 (talk) 22:42, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Horizontal linesEdit

It can be hard to tell the difference between them on-screen, in some fonts more so than others. One distinguishing feature of the hyphen, aside from being short, is that it usually shares some features with the lettering, such as stem thickness, stroke termination, or nib angle. (Monoline and many sans-serif fonts have little to no ‘character’ in these respects.) Sometimes they’re even slanted or slightly tilde-shaped, and they’re often placed in a slightly different vertical position. Dashes are thin, featureless lines, and the en- and em-dashes differ only in length. (In monospaced fonts they can be especially hard to distinguish; in some of these the en-dash is made extra short to make it obvious.) Anyway, there’s nothing on Commons like en:WP:MOS (which BTW recommends some uses of dashes where IMO hyphens should be used instead), but for situations where uniformity is wanted, to separate the ends of a range English typographic style generally calls for an en-dash.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 22:53, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

After taking a much closer look, I was able to see the difference. It's rather embarrassing that all this time I had been using a hyphen rather than an en-dash. But thank you for setting me right. Fry1989 eh? 17:27, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Did you notice the revert...Edit

File:RomanianTrafficSign 30-Stop 1977.svg :-) Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:18, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

No, I didn't. Fry1989 eh? 18:43, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Naval cadets ensignEdit

Hello, great collection of flags. Could you create a Royal Navy Cadets Ensign. It looked exactly like the Sea Sailing Cadets Blue ensign, but it’s defaced blue Ensign, has the words Royal Naval Section instead of Sea Sailing Cadets, in its bage. C. D. S. 19:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthcottC (talk • contribs) 19:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Revised proposal “Naval Section Combined Cadet Force”. Instead and with a star at the bottom Thank you very much C. D. S. 19:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthcottC (talk • contribs) 19:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Are you there. Thanks C. D. S. 05:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthcottC (talk • contribs) 05:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
@SouthcottC:, I am sorry, I did not see your request. Do you have any images of this ensign? Fry1989 eh? 16:18, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Terribly sorry Fry, you’ve been beaten to it. Thank you much for inquiring of me. Sorry again.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthcottC (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

fictional flags in important articles!!Edit

Both flags are merely fictional without any provided source and used for formal important state article. I don't have any common account so pls care !- 2A0A:A540:A15E:0:9587:50A2:E8B7:B7DC 14:12, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Construction sheets for New South Wales road signsEdit

Howdy! There is a good chance that you've already stumbled upon this, but in case you hadn't, I thought that I oughta let you know. Many signs don't currently have official specs, but for those that do, simply click on "View sign design plan" to get a useful PDF. Might be useful since Australia is still in your list of incomplete countries. Have a good one! VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 08:04, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

I did have that webpage at one time, and then I lost it. Thanks for finding it again. Fry1989 eh? 15:35, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

West Indies Federation SVG FlagsEdit

Hi, I have noticed the colour schemes for the West Indies Federation Blue and Red Ensign Flags do not match the standard flag colours of the main SVG flag, also should the orange circle in the main SVG be more orange (almost to a bronze colour), and if so could all the flags be modified so they have matching colour schemes for consistency please. Many Thanks (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 15:30, 2 November 2018 (UTC))

I do not believe the blue and red ensigns ever existed. Without a source, I can't support them. Fry1989 eh? 17:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah right I am sorry I didn’t realise that, forgive me, I rest my case (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC))

Historical flags of Tobago onlyEdit

A few weeks ago found a section on the following website which contains information about three for macaroni and flags of the island of Tobago only prior to when the then colony joined with Trinidad. Please can SVG graphics of these flags be created please. The web link contains all the information you need. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC))

I am sorry, but I don't have the SVG skills needed to make those flags. I wish that I could. Fry1989 eh? 18:49, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah no worries, I am in the same boat, do you know of anyone who might me so we can pass this request on to. (MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:09, 2 November 2018 (UTC))
I would suggest making a request in the Graphic Lab. Fry1989 eh? 20:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Former flags of Bermuda 1875-1910 & Turks and Caicos IslandsEdit


Hi Fry1989, is there any chance at all of you being able to do something about this former flags of Bermuda and Turks and Caicos Islands and covert them into standard SVG files at all as currently they are in png and gif formats. Thanks very much but do understand if it’s not possible. (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:207D:D20B:BD32:4827 14:26, 3 November 2018 (UTC))

I'm sorry but I do not have the SVG skills to do so. Fry1989 eh? 17:47, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

"Australian-Welsh" flagEdit

Can you please provide provenance for the "Australian Welsh-heritage flag" which appears to be attributed to you as a "derivative work". I ask this because, if the design has no official standing and documented history, I intend to propose its removal from WP and Commons. Bjenks (talk) 10:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

The flag is sourced from FOTW which contains direct sources within. The Cornish flag also has been corroborated. Fry1989 eh? 18:02, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

President's Ensign of DominicaEdit

Hello, Fry1989. I know that you don't have too much SVG skills, but can you make the president's ensign of dominica with this coat of arms? Source: - 12:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Done. Fry1989 eh? 19:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. - 22:30, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Another thingEdit

Hello again Fry1989, can you make also a shield only version of Dominica's coat of arms and also remove the gradients of Dominica's coat of arms in the presidential standart and governor of dominica flag of (1965–1978) as you did with the flag of dominica of (1965–1978). - 20:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Move Flag of a Governor-General of Canada.svgEdit

Hi. When I made Flag of a Governor-General of Canada.svg, I wasn't aware that it also applies to Lieutenant-Governors. There's probably a much more suitable name for it, but vexillology isn't my area of expertise. Maybe "Flag of a Canadian Governor.svg" is sufficient? Maybe "Blank vice-regal flag of Canada (1870–19??).svg"? What's your opinion? TilmannR (talk) 19:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Since that model is no longer used (except Nova Scotia in modified form), I'm not really sure what to call it. Fry1989 eh? 20:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

File:Old Taiwan stop sign.svgEdit

Thanks for the sign. If possible, finding other sourced colored old Taiwanese signs would be greatly appreciated to expand 道路交通標誌標線號誌設置規則.--Jusjih (talk) 07:02, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jusjih:, greetings. I do have several scans for other old Taiwanese road signs. [18], [19], [20], [21]. Fry1989 eh? 17:40, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Flag SVG request #1Edit

Yo, Fry! Can you do an SVG versions of the flags. The flags I had uploaded: including thisRainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@RainbowSilver2ndBackup:, I will work on the ones that I can do. Fry1989 eh? 19:53, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Val d'AranEdit

Hello Fry, I'm quite surprised by the name change of Flag-Val d'Aran. There has never been any space, neither in Catalan, nor in Aranese spelling, between the d' and Aran. So why? Best regards, --Jfblanc (talk) 10:34, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Greetings. Are you referring to this file? I do not know why it was named that way, but I can re-name it if you wish. Fry1989 eh? 17:20, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Norwegian road signsEdit

I noticed that have edited many of the Norwegian road signs that I uploaded to Wikimedia. The colours I used for the signs are the official colours used by the Norwegian road authorities, but you have modified some of the colours to a darker version. Why? Pjacklam (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

The shade of red on the digital files did not reflect the actual red of the signs in practice. I had intended to update all related files but got caught up in other things. Fry1989 eh? 21:16, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


Ciao, can you PLEASE save the File:Flag of Mauritania.svg from VANDALIC NOMINATION FOR DELETION (-> no valid reasons given for deletion)???? See "Revision history": user E4024. Please can you restored my implementation in this flag (see also "revision history") before locked it? GRAZIE/THANK YOU !!

The file won't be deleted. Fry1989 eh? 20:43, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Malaysia Low Vis roundelEdit

I've pulled the Malaysia Low Visibility roundel, from the pertaining articles - I searched endlessly, and it appears to have been some type of testing phase but not in use. C-130 s/n M30-08 had a low vis applied in 2005, but removed in 2006 - (more recent photo of 2010): see here for details. - regards FOX 52 (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Applying recently-standardized colours retroactively decades (or even centuries)Edit

Hello, Fry. There's been a bit of hub-bub recently over on the English Wikipedia between myself and some other guy over whether or not we should apply modern standardization colours retroactively. Said hub-bub was so heated it even got my template editing rights of many years revoked. Now, I'm of the mind that it is anachronistic to use colours that were standardized recently retroactively long ago, so for instance, should we apply the Russian, German, Italian, and Estonian flags' colours (IIRC standardized in 1993, 1999, 2006, and 2014 respectively) back a century (or more) prior? There are a lot of Imperial Russian SVG flags using the contemporary Russian Federation flag's colors, for instance. Now, seeing your edit on this file leads me to believe you are of the same mind as well. YMHAOS, Illegitimate Barrister (talkcontribs), 21:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

@Illegitimate Barrister:, it is a complicated issue. In the specific case you mentioned here, it was not only that the standardization was recent which I objected to, but also because Serbia is a different country than FRY/S&M. But generally I would agree that modern standardizations should not be applied retroactively. Which raises the issue of New South Wales. The current colours come from a booklet produce in 2015, but I do not know if the colours were actually standardized at some earlier time. If I can find that out, I would upload a separate file with the older colours. Fry1989 eh? 23:52, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

I thank you for reverting to the sourceEdit

I edited the South Vietnamese stop sign to change "DỪNG LẠI" to the Vietnamese version of DIN 1451 typeface (which Vietnam called as gt2 and gt1 and we seen the typeface in the comtemporary Vietnamese highway road signs).

Now I saw that you reverting a change. I thank you for doing that.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Baokhang48812002 (talk • contribs) 10:49, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately the link in the source section no longer works, but I requested in the Graphic Lab that the Vietnamese text "DỪNG LẠI" be made to look like it did in the photo. Fry1989 eh? 17:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


Ciao, it's possible blocked this user-vandal: "Tio dari"? See for example "File history" of File:Flag of Bolivia (state).svg and File:Coat of arms of Bolivia.svg. This user (Tio dari) revert old and obsolete versions of various flags and coats of arms from 22 January 2019 to present day: see user's contribs (verify please).

I apologize but I don't know system administrators.

Thank you and ciao!!


I need your helpEdit

I created fictional Houthi flags but they are marked by a deletion request. I do not intend to make propaganda as these are fictional flags. Therefore I put the fictional flag template on these files. Again I do not offend anyone as they are made for satirical purposes. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 18:50, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I will take a look. Fry1989 eh? 19:31, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Question about creating road signs SVGsEdit

I want to create some SVGs for older Ohio road signs out of the 1950s and 1970s Ohio MUTCD, however I'm having an issue determining the size of the letters.
So I'll get a "Letter size & Series: 4 1/2" D". Now, I get that the 'D' means a 'D series' font. But I don't know how to measure the letter size. The documents don't provide any guidance. How do you you do it?--The Navigators (talk) 12:03, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Navigators:, there are a few options for road signs that I use. The first and most ideal is some form of construction sheet, like this (which I extracted from an ODOT PDF) or this from an online government repository. Both contain exact dimensions for all the elements of the sign. The other option is that many PDF files contain SVG versions of the sign within them, so even if it is missing the dimensions, you can extract it into Inkscape and still upload the sign. Depending on how old these signs are though, that may not be possible. If the document you are relying on only has raster images and lacks the dimensions, really all you can do is give it your best guess. And when signs use a special font, such as FHWA, it becomes nearly impossible. There are many US road signs I want to upload but I have not been able to get my hands on a true copy of that font so I have had to put them off. If you can show me what sort of documents you are using for these older signs, and whether or not you have the FHWA fonts, I may be able to give you better instructions. Fry1989 eh? 18:50, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Here's a page out of the 1967 edition for parking signs, document lacks working drawings, which is amazing given that cities more frequently made their own signs back then. Guess it's going to be trial and error. Good-ish news is most of the signs I want to make aren't overly complex, mostly rectangles with text.
Regarding fonts, someone over at the graphics workshop told me about a webtool for identifying fonts, maybe you've herd of it, maybe not: What The Font. Even if there isn't a digital copy of one of those older fonts you're in search of, it might suggest something that is basically indistinguishable or could be reworked to make signs.

(I'll also leave this link here, it's an copy of a 1966 edition of Standard Alphabets for Highway Signs Not sure if it's of use to you, but you never know. Also, has a few documents from Montana's highway department if you're ever in need of older sign documents from that state, along with some other stuff.).--The Navigators (talk) 00:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Although I don’t have the means to reverse-engineer a proper font from them, I should be able to extract vector images of individual FHWA characters from the current (2000 series) Alphabets PDF, if that would be any help to either of you.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@The Navigators:, so in that document the signs are in raster format, so you can't simply extract them into Inkscape. In that case the only thing I really can suggest is you go based off of the dimensions for the signs in some of the more modern PDFs. But that example leaves me somewhat curious. They appear to have the federal MUTCD designations, most of the states add some sort of personal symbol to their signs, like Texas adds a T to the end (File:Texas W11-25T.svg) an Delaware adds DE to the end (File:Delaware D12-6-DE.svg). So you will want to make sure to differentiate between federal and state signs. That Standard Alphabet PDF is nice, but not really helpful since the letters are all raster. I would love to look at some of the older Montana documents, btw.
@Odysseus1479:, that would absolutely be helpful and appreciated. Fry1989 eh? 18:36, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Odysseus1479 (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
BTW the letter images in the recent Alphabets PDF are not raster, but are generated ‘on the fly’ from embedded subsets of the fonts. So the derived paths will be constructed identically to the original glyphs, unlike a vectorization that’s created by tracing raster images.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Here's a link to a search at that brings back the Montana documents (They're mixed with some irrelevant documents, but the sign ones stand out). As for the sign file naming I'll trail the numbers with "OH" (Ohio) or "PA" (I have a few documents with Pennsylvania road signs from more recently, but also raster.) and the year if there's multiple versions, unless you have a better strategy or standard.--The Navigators (talk) 20:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@The Navigators:, thank you for that link. As for how we name the files, there is a new standard I have set up and intend to eventually rename all my files to. Because all the federal signs are named "MUTCD..." with the sign number, I named all my California files "MUTCD-CA...". I think it would be good to name the state signs that way with the state abbreviation. Fry1989 eh? 20:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Commons:Commons SVG CheckerEdit

File:Test.svg is a highly watched file.

You might use Commons:Commons SVG Checker istead of using File:Test.svg.

If a file only contain <path-data most cases the file will be rendered correclty by wikimedia (as in inkscape/firefox/chrome).

 — Johannes Kalliauer - Talk | Contributions 21:26, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, but I use File:Test.svg to test and compare visual elements of the current version of a file I intend to upload with their historical versions. Commons:Commons SVG Checker appears to have a different purpose. Fry1989 eh? 00:10, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

PR Macedonia Flag (1944-1946) GlobalReplaceEdit


You renamed File:Flag of Macedonia (1944–1946).svg to File:Flag of North Macedonia (1944–1946).svg and replaced it using GlobalReplace, but this flag is not a flag of the state North Macedonia but the Yugoslav entity, the People's Republic of Macedonia, therefore it cannot be called as such. Please back such changes. Идеологист (talk) 18:40, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I am aware that it is the flag of the Yugoslav entity and that North Macedonia did not become independent until 1991, but for the purposes of Commons it is best to maintain file name uniformity. Fry1989 eh? 18:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, you renamed the flag of Socialist Republic of Macedonia as flag of North Macedonia? Why? The historical full name of Macedonia beteween 1944 and 1946 was "Socialist Republic of Macedonia". It's plausible only "Macedonia" but why "North"? --Skyfall (talk) 19:38, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
So, in order "maintain file name uniformity " this file: Roman Empire has to be renamed "Flag of Italy"? --Skyfall (talk) 19:42, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
That is utter nonsense. The Roman Empire and the current country of Italy were never the same entity. The entity and territorial integrity of what is now called "North Macedonia" and until this month just "Macedonia" has always been the same since 1944. Secondly, Macedonia/North Macedonia has since 1991 been the same country. Look at Germany, there was the 3rd Reich, what was West Germany from 1950s-1989, and now the united Germany. That is not reflected in the file names. We have simply File:Flag of Germany.svg and File:Flag of Germany (1935–1945).svg, and there are other examples. Accusing me of vandalism because you do not agree, when it is very clear that my intention is not to vandalize, is actually quite offensive to me. Fry1989 eh? 20:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Or look at your example of Italy. File:Flag of Italy (1861–1946).svg and File:Flag of Italy.svg, not "Flag of the Kingdom of Italy" and "Flag of the Republic of Italy". Fry1989 eh? 21:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@Идеологист, Skyfall: I agree that the rename undertaken was ill-advised, so it would be worthwhile if you could suggest a name that reflects the political reality of the time. Happy for that discussion to take place on either file talk pages of the respective images, or Com:VP. Please feel ping me on such a discussion.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:02, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
What about the flag of the Kigndom of France before the revolution? Or the flag of Congo and the flag of Zaire? It's exactly the same country. --Skyfall (talk) 23:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Look below. I have given more examples. Fry1989 eh? 23:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@Идеологист, Skyfall: This probably should be a community discussion at Com:VP where the naming issues for flags can be discussed holistically. There are templates at the wikis that rely on a standard naming process, though these examples highlight issues with those who believe that naming patterns override accuracy is problematic. IMO this discussion should have taken place prior to the first renames.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:43, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Addendum, this template naming mattered quite significantly in the early days, however, now having LUA and with Wikidata now being the repository for flag data, and the ability to set criteria, that reliance on templating should be discarded, and allow for more accurate naming without restriction.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:47, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Reverted to File:Flag of the Republic of Macedonia (1992–1995).svgEdit

There was no North Macedonia in the years 1992-1995, so it is inaccurate to move the flag to that name. I believe consideration should be given to reviewing these renames for similar reasons, though

  • File:Flag of Macedonia (1944–1946).svg → File:Flag of North Macedonia (1944–1946).svg)
  • File:Flag of Macedonia (1946–1992).svg → File:Flag of North Macedonia (1946–1992).svg)

It is also problematic when you suggest and do a rename, then reject other requests to move it back. Generally it would be a consensus for such moves rather than a unilateral action.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Billinghurst:, I have to strongly disagree about your statement "there was no North Macedonia 1992-1995". Yes there was, the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of North Macedonia are the exact same country, the only difference is they changed the name of the country. They didn't change their constitutional structure, or their territory, and I've provided multiple examples above where countries have undergone more drastic changes than simply their name. Now, I renamed "Flag of the Republic of Macedonia (1992–1995).svg" to "Flag of North Macedonia (1992–1995).svg" prior to having read your response on my page, and for that I apologize. It was my presumption another unaware file mover had moved it by request of either Идеологист or Skyfall while I was momentarily away this evening, and I hope you will forgive me for that. But, I must reiterate my strongest disagreement, and I intend to provide more examples that my rename is a valid one. Fry1989 eh? 23:38, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
See these broad examples,
  • Afghanistan went from a kingdom to a republic to a democratic republic to an islamic state to an islamic republic. You will notice however all of its 20+ flags are named "Flag of Afghanistan (date–date)"
  • Albania went from a principality to a Kingdom to a Socialist Republic to now a Republic. You will notice the same with its many flags.
  • Egypt went from a Kingdom to a Republic to an Arab Republic. Its many flags start with the Kingdom follow this practice.
  • Greece went from a Kingdom to a Republic to Kingdom to a dictatorship then to Republic again. Its previous flags follow this practice.
  • Mozambique went from a communist state to republic, and its previous flags follow this practice.
Along with Italy and Germany which I previously mentioned, all of these countries have gone through both renames and wide constitutional changes in their history as well. But they follow a common thread. The Republic of Macedonia (1991-2019) and the Republic of North Macedonia (2019-present) are one and the same, all that happened was a simple addition of one word to the country's name. My rename followed this practice. It wasn't something I pulled out of thin air. Fry1989 eh? 23:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I reverted a change that had taken place without consultation, and you overrode it without consultation, nor checking who had done it. I read that as you tried to enforce your PoV. That is not a good practice, whether an admin or a filemover undertook the action. That you undertook such moves not just once, but more than once, without discussion with the community or consideration for that discussion, especially around ethno-political matters which are known to be troublesome is problematic. Where something is known to be troublesome, one should always take it to the community for discussion rather than enforce one's opinion. There is simply no hurry for any of that action.

One of the criteria for renaming is accuracy, and for 1992 to 1995 there was no Republic of North Macedonia, there was no North Macedonia at all, that is a construct of 2019, whether there is any physical change of any border. To note that your examples seem to ignore that the "Republic of ..." component in this example was acting as a disambiguator so its presence is particular and required to separate these other ethno-political matters. Ultimately renames are community's decisions, not yours, the rename guidance is there, and your move would seem to be outside of that in a blackletter sense. That you think that you can dismiss the community's concerns are equally troublesome. I will reserve my thinking on this matter for the moment, the pages displaying these images don't need another edit episode without a more consensual decision-making process.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:39, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

The difference is entirely splitting hairs. It's like saying "There was no Bolivarian Venezuela until 1999". Whilst true in the most strictest interpretation, it is a differentiation that is not made between File:Flag of Venezuela.svg and historical versions such as File:Flag of Venezuela (1930–1954).svg. The majority of countries' flags follow this practice. I am entirely following set precedent on the matter. As for the "Republic..." qualifier, the current flag was renamed (not by me) to "Flag of North Macedonia", which follows near universal practice to exclude such qualifiers such as "Kingdom/Republic/State of....". I am not stepping outside of anything that isn't already common practice. Fry1989 eh? 01:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
The question isn't to exclude qualifiers such as "Kingdom/Republic/State of", but "North" in historical flags of a country with a different name, without the mentioned "North". --Skyfall (talk) 17:01, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Nothing of consequence changed. Their constitutional structure did not change, their territorial boundaries did not change, they didn't have a revolution, Macedonia (1991-2019) and Macedonia (2019-) is the same country! There are many other series of flags on Commons which follow this practice which I did not impose. My rename is an established practice and has been for a very long time. Fry1989 eh? 17:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

It is also the file:Flag of Yugoslavia (1918–1941).svg (and the article en:Flag of Yugoslavia), although 1918-1929 there was officially no Kingdom of Yugoslavia, but the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. However, no one has called for a new file by name "Flag of the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenians"? --Icon flag (talk) 02:21, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I disagree with you. The current title is an anachronism. This flag have never been North Macedonia flag. This flag is not Burkina Faso flag. --Panam2014 (talk) 02:27, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
It should be remembered that Upper Volta changed its name and flag in the same year, even on the same day on 4 August 1984. This was not the case with the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes/Yugoslavia. In addition, the file:Flag of Upper Volta.svg is included in the article en:Flag of Burkina Faso, there is no article "Flag of Upper Volta". --Icon flag (talk) 13:56, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
@Icon flag: It is not a reason to do an anachronism. The previous Macedonia flags have never been North Macedonia flags. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Vertical flagsEdit

Maybe you are interested in knowing what the "partners" Nyttend and RainbowSilver2ndBackup have done e.g. for the file:Flag of Slovenia, vertical.svg and file:Flag of Serbia, vertical.svg and many, many others. Perhaps you also want to follow the discussion Icon flag and maybe participate in it. Sincerely, --Icon flag (talk) 01:47, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Flags of Stfhd, Tfgjcv, Kfgxhjif etc.Edit

Hi. User Sf 571 has uploaded quite a few flags that have awfully many consonants in their names. Do you think they are real flags from a place with a very consonanty language or is it some kind of highly creative spam? A quick internet search gave no results and the descriptions and categorizations contain no information whatsoever. TilmannR (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I am not familiar with any of these flags. A reverse image search I did on a couple of them also showed no results. Without any sources, they are useless. Fry1989 eh? 17:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
I guess I'll give Sf 571 a few days to add information or react to my post on their talk page and then open a mass deletion request. Thank you! TilmannR (talk) 17:39, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Add superseded regulatory signs to bottom section of /Gallery/Road Signs/United StatesEdit

Hey there! First of all, I just want to say that you are doing amazing work categorizing and recreating these road signs. There are actually a few superseded signs you seem to have missed.

R3-2 is the same as R3-1 but "RIGHT" is replaced with "LEFT"

Of course, however, we would need proper, full-quality renders of the signs before such a thing happens. I've heard that you're good at that.

Oh, and as an aside, you're missing the metric version of W12-2, but you still included the construction metric version :P

I appreciate what you do and I hope this helps you out!

Dangeredwolf (talk) 04:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Dangeredwolf:, thank you, you're very kind. I do want to upload the older versions of these signs, but I do not have a proper copy of the MUTCD font or construction sheets for these signs. Similar signs were also used in Canada from about the 1950s to the 1980s. They are also on my list, but again I have no construction sheets so they are kind of a guess at best. The images you have uploaded have measurements for the sign itself, but not for the text. As for W12-2, you said I am missing the metric version. Did you mean File:MUTCD W12-2 METRIC.svg? Fry1989 eh? 20:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
@Fry1989: Yes, that is the sign I was referring to, sorry for the delayed reply, I never received any notifications from Wikipedia that you replied for some reason. Dangeredwolf (talk) 20:04, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Did you get my email with a PDF of one of the alphabets attached? I’ve been awaiting confirmation that you can use it before processing the others the same way.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 22:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes I received it, thank you. I should have sent back a confirmation. Fry1989 eh? 23:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
No problem, and no rush–I’m just prone to forget about things completely once they’ve been out of my face for a few days. I’ll proceed with extracting the rest of the alphabets; feel free to give me a nudge if you don’t hear back within a week or so.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Swedish FlagEdit

Hi its me again from the talk page of the regular wiki, but how does any change happen to the flag now? Who edits the new change? -- 16:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Havsjö:, you will need to wait for more people to comment and a group decision. You may want to follow the Request for Comment process to bring it to the attention of more users. Fry1989 eh? 18:47, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, do you think some kind of change can be implemented to the flag? It has been almost a month now, but aside from us, nobody seems interested. I guess we have the opinions of us two + official government sources--Havsjö (talk) 17:26, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Because the file is protected, there isn't anything I can do without a new consensus. All you can do is keep campaigning for other users to consider your proposal. You may want to try contacting any fellow Swedish users that you know that are interested in flags, both here on Commons and on the Swedish-language version of Wikipedia. I am sorry I can not do more, but there has to be more users supporting your proposal before an administrator will un-protect the file and allow it to be changed. I will contact some users I know and ask them to take a look as well. Fry1989 eh? 17:45, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, do you think any change can be made yet? --Havsjö (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I do not know. But I will ask two more people I know to join the conversation. Fry1989 eh? 22:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

George V flagsEdit

Hi, the flags are the coronation standards of South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 18:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, yes thank you, I do have that source. I've just kept putting off making them. We do have Australia and New Zealand done though. Fry1989 eh? 18:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


Hello! Fry 1989 I can't do road sign of Bulgaria because jammed in the Bulgarian language font that uses the sign and road signs model that is not clear almost all so if you don't mind, please do the Bulgaria road sign. Thank you very much ! --มองโกเลีย๔๔ (talk) 13:15, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@มองโกเลีย๔๔:, I do not have any documents for Bulgaria. Do you have any sources? Fry1989 eh? 17:08, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
road sign of Bulgaria can be downloaded on this website. มองโกเลีย๔๔ eh? 10:02, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The images are not in SVG format and the PDF does not have construction sheets, so I will not be able to upload those signs. But I will look for other Bulgarian sources in the future. Fry1989 eh? 18:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

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A brownie for you!Edit

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A barnstar for you!Edit

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  The Teamwork Barnstar
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Road signs of NamibiaEdit


You did a lot of work and excellently painted the SADC traffic sign. Would it be possible for you to draw more specifically for Namibia?

I could upload sketches or photos to each one of them. --Lidhe (talk) 13:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hallo Lidhe! I have a PDF of the Namibian Government Gazette from 1997. Most of their traffic signs are identical to SADC. I have uploaded some variations, such as File:SADC road sign IN16-NAM.svg. If you would like to show me what signs for Namibia that are missing, I would be happy to draw them as well. You can email them to me, or upload them and show me here on Commons. Fry1989 eh? 18:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello! That's really great.

Here is a link to a pdf. There it is special about the imformation signs. On page 8 and 9 are still one of the characters of the IN series, which are still missing.

Link: Lidhe (talk) 20:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

That is great, thank you. I will work on them very soon. Fry1989 eh? 20:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi! You were really hardworking. I found a link where the resolution is a lot better. --Lidhe
Thanks. I am trying my best. Thank you for the link. I am a bit of a perfectionist which is why I am a bit slow. Fry1989 eh? 20:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I see you have already done a lot. Last week, I tried to create svg files. Now I understand what work is behind it. Thanks for that! Here is another link to a file. In this file on page 327 to page 376 is specifically about the tourist traffic signs. I am particularly concerned with the signs of Namibia, which differ in the caption. Unfortunately, the server is currently offline, which contains a pdf file with colored traffic signs. Especially for Namibia (perhaps as -NAM create), there are the characters: GF1, GF2, GF3, GF7, GF8, GF10, GF17, GF18. Can you continue with them? (Please omit the traffic sign GF9, I'm still looking for an example.) --Lidhe (talk) 11:46, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Here is a LINK with the symbol of the National Park in Namibia and a LINK with colored tourist signs. --Lidhe (talk) 06:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi. I was away on a little trip the other day and that is why I was not active. I do intend to upload the tourist symbols as well. Fry1989 eh? 19:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Great, you almost made the tourist signs. I have already started to create the service signs. Do you continue with the symbols from B1 on?
Here are two characters R530 and R531 which are still missing. Both signs are available in blue-white and white-red. I uploaded a sample for you. The font should be the default road sign font, I have used a different font for the pattern.

The character R326 (so to say R326-NAM) is used in Nambia as a simplified version. Here a link: Bus-Stop in Namibia.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lidhe (talk • contribs) 07:27, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Hallo :). I do intend to keep uploading all the symbols for tourism and services, and then go back to IN11. I will also upload R530 and R531 some time as well. Fry1989 eh? 15:51, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi! That's great. I saw that you drew the symbol GFS B1-7. There is another symbol for this. The Namibian road sign catalog looks very different (page 382). I found a photo on the internet. --Lidhe (talk) 07:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that as well in the Namibian Gazette PDF, but the image was too low quality for me to use. I am trying to find an SVG version of the SRIN logo, but it is difficult. They do not appear to have a website. Fry1989 eh? 15:52, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Here is an link, with a picture (bmp) with the logo. But it is an very bad quality. --Lidhe (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. I will make a Graphic Lab request for the logo, I do not think I can make it by myself. Fry1989 eh? 17:27, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
This picture is a little bit better. --Lidhe (talk) 18:19, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Can you change a little thing in between? THIS SYMBOL does not exist according to the catalog. More appropriate is THIS VARIANT because there is no symbol.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lidhe (talk • contribs) 13:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I am not prepared to deal with the route number signs yet. They are confusing because there are inconsistencies in shape and colour in the SADC-RTSM and in real life. Fry1989 eh? 18:10, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Can you please draw the D1-17 for Namibia as a green character with yellow B1? Many thanks.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lidhe (talk • contribs) 20:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Do you still remember the following symbols: D1-13, D1-14, D1-15 and D1-16? Many thanks!!
Do you already know what you are doing after the GDLS series? Then I could already prepare something for the page. --Lidhe (talk) 09:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I will create GFS D1-13 – D1-16 soon. I have a construction sheet for the arrows, but I am not good at math so I have put it off for a little bit. After the GDLS section I intend to do the GDS symbols section, since most of them are similar and it will be fast. After that, I should go back to IN11.XXX :) Fry1989 eh? 16:14, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Perfect :)
Could you draw the character GL3 in between? For Namibia the village "TSUMEB" is used as pattern in the catalog. The character is to be used for a template, in which currently a fantasy town sign of Windhoek is involved.--Lidhe (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I will work on those signs as well at some point, but they may be difficult. They require a special version of the DIN 1451 typeface called BMOD with bold characters, which I do not have. Fry1989 eh? 18:45, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Look on THIS side, maybe that helps with the creation.--Lidhe (talk) 19:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Did the link help you?--Lidhe (talk) 14:02, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I do have a copy of DIN 1451, but I do not think a digital version of BMOD exists. It was created by South Africa, instead of the Deutsches Institut für Normung. I may have to make the signs using the normal DIN 1451 Engschrift typeface, but they will not look as accurate. Fry1989 eh? 19:04, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Fry1989:Here is a LINK to the page of the "sartsma" for chapter 4 and 5 of the RTSM. There you can see on page 47 the constuction of the signposts, arrows of signposts are on page 56 and a typeface of the font BMOD on page 69. Does this help you?
In Namibia, e.g. only the DIN are used because BMOD has no umlauts. In Nambia, there are towns that contain an ä, ö or ü (such as Lüderitz) and there are only in the DIN 1451. I have already made several patterns of SIGNPOSTS. The font was definitely DIN1451, the letters of the DIN were congruent with the original that I had tested before creating. --Lidhe (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I will see what I can do. Fry1989 eh? 19:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I do not like disturbing you all the time, but the SRIN icon has a misspelling. There is "Nstitute" and not "Institute" (SADC road sign GFS B1-7-NAM). --Lidhe (talk) 12:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Texas Rebel Battle FlagEdit

Curious about the significance of the combined images and what it is proposed for. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

It's just something I uploaded many years ago when I first joined Commons. I don't really have much connection to it. I guess you can call it a fictional flag. Fry1989 eh? 23:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
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