User talk:Light show

Oona O'Neill photoEdit

Sorry, but no. The back shows it was taken in London by Paul Popper there.

  • Try this. It's from the New York World-Telegram Sun and WP uses a lot of PD photos from it. The PD tag for the photos from the collection. We hope (talk) 13:07, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. --Light show (talk) 16:48, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


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Commons-emblem-hand.svg Hello Light show.

It has come to our attention that you have uploaded several files that are copyright violations. You have done so despite requests from editors not to do so, and despite their instructions. See Commons:Licensing for the copyright policy on Wikimedia Commons. You may also find Commons:Copyright rules by subject matter useful.

This is your last warning. Continuing to upload copyright violations will result in your account being blocked. Please leave me a message if you have further questions.

-FASTILY 00:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

  • You just approved the deletion of a Carly Simon image for no logical reason. The deletion was first made because an editor felt he needed to see the reverse side of the photo. I stated that I owned the photo, that the reverse side was blank, and that I would if asked scan and show it. You simply ignored that in your rationale:
There is no evidence presented to substantiate this (probably false) PD claim.
For the record, I fail to see how that is a copyvio by any stretch of the imagination. I have also been under the misassumption that Commons editors respected AGF guidelines, since most of your rationales include, "probably false," which implies the exact opposite. --Light show (talk) 04:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I noticed this and this, which were created with photos you uploaded after I warned you about uploading photos of questionable copyright status. Since you have decided to ignore my warning, you are blocked until you decide you are ready to adhere to our copyright policies -FASTILY 22:23, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
I, on the other hand, noticed you coincidentally blocked me within a few minutes after I requested undeletion of a photo, which has nothing to do with uploading anything. --Light show (talk) 23:00, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
In any case, as it's apparent from this discussion, as long as the "Commons policies" appear to contradict and override well established U.S. law, I'll have to stick with the law. --Light show (talk) 05:26, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Re: Brando photo: Per the discussion to undelete this photo, besides mine, there were two independent opinions about its PD status. One, by Jim Woodward, was essentially an "arguable" opinion, relying primarily on a boilerplate statement printed by the studios to return the photo after using, and using that as proof that it was never published.
The essentially opposing opinion, by Carl Lindberg, was based solely on stated law, not opinion, with a supporting link to the main Warner Brothers case (7/2011) covering the issue. That case makes it totally clear that a "general publication" occurred because it was intended to publicize a film.
In all of my uploads, I rely on U.S. copyright law, not that of the EU or UK, whose laws are totally different. It seems strange to permanently block an editor who has uploaded many valuable images because he relies on U.S. copyright law, and uses the same copyright tags- mostly U.S.- when doing so. The result is that you are punishing an editor for not violating the law. If I were to upload a U.S. PD image, but claimed its status based on UK or EU laws which nullified its PD status, I would be violating U.S. law along with WP guidelines. It would force me to commit "third-party" copyfraud, by claiming a U.S. PD image was not in fact PD, and was assumed (as Masem stated) to be copyrighted by someone, somewhere, somehow, outside the U.S. I think I should be unblocked and you should revise your tags instead by eliminating all U.S. law. --Light show (talk) 02:11, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Mass deletions by User talk:Fastily: Over the last few minutes, they bot-tagged nearly 200 650 PD images for deletion based on an irrelevant rationale, once again simply ignoring PD law in the U.S. --Light show (talk) 19:59, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I also noticed that from a random survey of the photos tagged, the average one is used on around five different articles, typically as a lead image. That would mean that over 3,000 articles will be affected. A few dozen were self-taken photos and others were either from the U.S. government or older than 1923. --Light show (talk) 01:43, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
All bot tags have since been reverted. --Light show (talk) 19:22, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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Request reason: "There's no way to respond to new deletion requests, such as File:Grace Kelly - High Society.jpg, File:Julie Andrews - 1967.jpg and File:Piper Laurie - 1952.jpg. All commenting editors for all the newly-tagged images are incorrect in their rationales, in fact the rationale for Laurie is totally ridiculous. Also, some of the above explanations should be considered."
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--Light show (talk) 02:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

For the Piper Laurie photo, for example, a "Motion Picture" copyright is totally separate from a photograph copyright, and each requires a separate registration form. Movies receive a "PA" (Performing Arts) copyright and photos would received a "VA" (Visual Arts) copyright. Therefore the details about the movie copyright are irrelevant to publicity photos, as pointed out to the same tagging editor on previously tagged photos, which were subsequently "Kept." This is not a screen shot. --Light show (talk) 18:32, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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We hope (talk) 02:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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We hope (talk) 23:53, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Deleted comments about this image can be read here. --Light show (talk) 19:30, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Another erroneous deletion? File:Armand Assante - 1984.JPGEdit

That image was uploaded from an ebay press photo site, and included front and back, with no copyright notice. Yet it was speedy deleted as "insufficient information to verify no notice claim." --Light show (talk) 08:27, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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The Big Bad Wolfowitz (talk) 11:13, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Maybe another career image like this one could be uploaded to the Commons by someone with access. --Light show (talk) 16:22, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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We hope (talk) 04:43, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

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Request reason: "As requested, I will include a reverse side image when needed, which was one of the main problems noted, and will include any proof of publication. I've been doing this for years now anyway, except when all relevant details were already on the front and a renewal was not filed.

Nor is it possible to respond to the continual deletion requests from an editor, such as this one, when the notice on my talk page states, "We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry." FWIW, in that last DR, the rationale given for the DR is, "Without knowing which studio produced this, there's no way to be sure if it was renewed or not." However, as I explained clearly in a similar DR for Don Murray, which was kept, the name of the studio is not needed. And as another editor observed, the text on Monroe's photo is not a valid copyright notice. Without the opportunity to respond to DRs many other images will continue to be deleted, as these were.
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Light show (talk) 08:51, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

For the record: User:Fastily blocked this account while User:Denniss blocked the User:Wikiwatcher1 account at the same time. The user has been the subject of an en:WP CCI for some time. In November 2014 he was blocked from uploading images to en:WP for the same related issues. The user asked for the ban to be lifted at en:WP in March 2015; it remains in place. We hope (talk) 01:07, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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B (talk) 02:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

The Library of Congress did a survey years ago about whether such Wirephotos were copyrighted, and they found that they weren't. Anyone can verify that with User:We Hope who originally posted that fact. --Light show (talk) 05:09, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Quote found: "Specialists in the Prints and Photographs Division of the Library of Congress searched the Copyright Office files. It was found that only a few images were registered for copyright and those copyrights were not renewed."[1]--Light show (talk) 05:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Regarding the fears expressed in the DR, that "the date on this photo is 1969, so the post 1963 caution from the LOC legal department would seem to apply here." That would only be true if there was a "proper notice," as implied by the LOC. The U.S. has clear copyright rules with specific dates, whereas "Copyright registration doesn't exist in Europe and there is no such thing as "renewing" a copyright. A copyright notice has no legal meaning." This is a U.S. photo.
And FWIW, the result of that clear difference is that someone like Honor Blackman is stuck with a poor lead image, instead of one more honorable for an actress. Excuse the digression. --Light show (talk) 16:13, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Per the recent comments by en:User:We hope, From what's been said by LOC, checking the original registrations won't solve this issue because they're saying that the post-1963 photos may be protected regardless of their registration status, that would only pertain to a photo that had a proper notice, as the LOC made clear. And even if they didn't, their library's opinion would not overrule U.S. copyright law.

In any case, a notice is only a "notice of intent" for copyright purposes, which only gives the publisher 5 years to register it formally, at their expense. After that, it is presumed to be PD, and someone using it has a "complete defense" to infringement. The reason that press photos were not copyrighted was because it would have been ridiculous to pay an attorney and copyright fees to register tens of thousands of press photos whose value is only good for a few days, except in rare cases.

There is also a concept in the U.S., called the "reasonable person" standard. For a photo like this one, where there is full typed description, title, name of source, and date, clearly printed on the front, it would be "reasonable" to assume that if a copyright notice was printed, it would be on the front. There are more logical reasons why a worthless press photo like this one would not be copyrighted, but this "analysis-to-paralysis" discussion should be enough. If not, why doesn't someone simply pass this question back across the Atlantic to the WMF HQ and get a clear legal opinion instead of debating this by European standards, whose laws are nearly the opposite of ours for pre-1989 photos? --Light show (talk) 23:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Correction: Potentially not just pre-1989 photos, but many other photos also. Will tourists even be allowed to carry cameras? Who knows? --Light show (talk) 03:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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George Ho (talk) 21:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

This is obviously not a copy, but an original, if you look at the reverse side. --Light show (talk) 03:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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Damiens.rf 17:50, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

You can revise the license to PD-Pre1964 since the publication was not renewed. You can also change author to "unknown photographer" --Light show (talk) 22:12, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

File:Portrait sitting.jpgEdit

This image is another tagged for deletion but without notice to me, the original uploader. There is no explanation of why the source given is not enough. This was an original photo possibly not yet published on the web. Nor were typical press photos ever registered in any case.--Light show (talk) 22:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

File:Jolson-Korea.jpgEdit

This image is another tagged for deletion but without notice to me, the original uploader. The photo was taken in 1950; only the the book was published in 1975, which probably used the photo from some archive. Photos require their own separate copyright registration and would not be covered by the book published 25 years later. In any case, I found no copyright renewals for the photo or anything remotely similar for 1978, the required renewal date. If this wasn't an army-taken photo, it would still be unlikely that a press photo was copyrighted or renewed for the reasons explained above. --Light show (talk) 22:54, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Dr. Blofeld (talk) 19:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

This DR is a response to my suggestions at en:Talk:Rod_Steiger#No_infobox, and my reply about the tag is noted there.--Light show (talk) 21:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Deleted: Per nom. Green Giant (talk) 20:09, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Who needs copyright laws anyway? Not us.Edit

File:Omar Sharif - Zhivago - 1965.jpg
Could be copyrightable and owned by MGM, even when the copyright notice is omitted. George Ho (talk) 18:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


Deleted: unclear (c) status Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 07:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Light show (talk) 19:59, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Request to fix redirectsEdit

My user name pages have not been redirected. Therefore, my old talk page messages do not show up on this one. Also, my main user page does not get redirected either. And when on that page, if you click on talk, it only goes to the new talk page. Can anyone revise or add the redirects? Thanks. --Light show (talk) 19:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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Unblock requestEdit

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Request reason: "As User talk:Fastily is no longer active, I'm requesting lifting the block here. The primary reasons for the block have all been agreed to by me, including showing a reverse side image when needed, having complete descriptions with correct license tags, and including supporting proof of publication. I have also offered to post a link or description of images on my talk page before uploading to gain pre-approval. I'm well aware of and respect the precautionary principle and do my best to abide by it. For verifying copyright in the U.S. I'm familiar with and have access to the Catalog of Copyright, online or hardcopy. I use the U.S. Copyright online search. If there are other reasons for keeping the block that I need to agree to, can someone present them? Consideration for the request would be appreciated. Thanks.--Light show (talk) 18:27, 3 October 2015 (UTC)"
Unblock reason: "I think a 'conditional' unblock here is reasonable, given that this is an old block and that the user has continued to reply to issues on their talk page, with the understanding that the user will comply with the restrictions to which he has committed (prior posting to his talk page, in particular). I would think that a 'short leash' on such issues would be reasonable, however... I would support a prompt indefinite reblock upon any evidence of misbehavior in the future. Follow the restrictions that you stated in this request, and you will be fine. Upload problematic images without prior discussion, and a block will be permanent. Revent (talk) 05:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)"

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Photos for reviewEdit

I created a subpage of potential photos to upload. Editors are invited to review these for comments or approval. --Light show (talk) 07:53, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

(regarding your question to me on that subpage) I've been keeping an eye on that page, and I'll try to give you a better response later, but briefly I think you should try as hard as possible to err on the side of being cautious as far as assuming anything. It would really be best if you could mange to find a couple of other knowledgable editors (maybe by poking people who have been active in DR'ing uploads of your in the past, or asking some friendly admins) who were willing to watchlist that page and give feedback. I don't really like the idea, given the history, of making an assumption of 'tacit' approval without knowing that more people are keeping an eye on it, and not just 'driving by'. Also, it wouldn't be really appropriate if I was the only person 'rubberstamping' your uploads, since I'm the admin who gave you another chance by unblocking you. Revent (talk) 23:29, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
To give a better response, now that I've had a moment to ponder this (and, to be honest, given the arguments you are making) I don't think it's a good idea, at all, to let you assume any kind of 'tacit approval' at all. I think you are still... let's say, vague, about what is sufficient evidence of a work being under copyright to make it clearly not acceptable. It's a matter of 'due diligence', really... given that you have a long history of people questioning if you have really checked, or if you have discounted evidence that would exclude a work under the PRP, you really need some editors (other than me) who are willing to verify that they have done it for you before you upload. I might take some effort and reaching out on your part to find people who are willing to work with you on this, but that is the intent of the restriction under which you were unblocked... explicit 'approval' of new images that you suggest before uploading. Revent (talk) 09:31, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:26, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

The same concern applies to File:Lumet-1950s-cropped.jpg. I'm afraid with no information on the publication, the copyright status of these images is speculative. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:30, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
@Moonriddengirl: As I commented at the DR, this is a 1968 photo, and under the management of Getty Images. Fairly obvious copyvio, IMO. Revent (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Revent. I've tagged both the main and the cropped for speedy deletion accordingly. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Uploading conditionsEdit

Just as a note, before the issue is raised, the uploading by Light show of 'modern' {{own work}} images, that were taken with a cellphone camera and have not been previously published on the internet (such as File:American River North.jpg) should not, IMO as the unblocking admin, be considered a violation of his unblock conditions. They deserve scrutiny, of course, given the previous problems, but such images were not the subject of the long-standing copyright concerns. Similarly, the mere 'modification' of an existing image, without changing the licensing, is not a 'new upload' or a 'new assertion' of an images copyright status, and so not a violation of the terms... it will, however, obviously 'flag' the image for an examination of the original claim, which might result in deletion. Revent (talk) 15:34, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Would you mind adding the "modification" opinion to this DR, so the fixed image can be used? --Light show (talk) 17:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
That file is on the English Wikipedia, not Commons. I have nothing to do with your restrictions there, and you are AFAIK explicitly banned from uploading any images to the English Wikipedia. Revent (talk) 18:15, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Revent (talk) 15:38, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long to close that as withdrawn, my watchlist is essentially unusable (80k+ pages) so sometimes it can take me a bit to notice some edits. Revent (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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File:Lamarr patent.pngEdit

I think you're probably incorrect about the authorship, there... that actual document was published by the USCO, certainly, but appears to be the text of the patent application written by the inventors (or someone else, on their behalf). Still, almost undoubtedly PD. Revent (talk) 00:32, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

In 1941 they would have used a typewriter on a application, not a typesetting machine, which this was done by. --Light show (talk) 02:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't mean it's the 'application itself'... it's obviously typeset, I mean it's the 'text' of the application, republished by the USCO. It's written as 'our system', not from the perspective of the USCO describing a patent. Revent (talk) 03:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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File:Robert De Niro - 1976.jpgEdit

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czar 22:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Copyright status: File:Kirk Douglas Walk of Fame Star.pngEdit

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Yours sincerely, Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

File:Medal of Arts award 2012.jpgEdit

The data you give on this file page is wrong. The 'source' for the file is not the whitehouse.gov page that you linked (which actually has no images), it's apparently (after hunting around) a still from a video on the White House YouTube feed. The source you give for something that is not your own work should be where you, personally obtained the actual work. Please fix (you can use {{From Youtube}}, even). Thanks. Revent (talk) 01:03, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I appended the source with the White House Youtube video. I was doing a lot of hasty edits and fixes to her article so I apparently got confused, although I had the correct source link in the image's caption on her page. --Light show (talk) 02:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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