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Timmy Grey the MarquessEdit,_1st_Marquess_of_Dorset,_KG.png may need to research whether all points are supposed to indicate ermine. Thank you very much for placing your beautiful artwork in wiki commons.

Knights of the GarterEdit

hello, excuse me disturb you, I see you télécharcher the arms of the Knights of the Garter.

Could you tell me please: For the Knights a shield is painted?

Whether or could I find one of King Oscar II of Sweden-Norway.

Thank you for your help

good day to you

Regards--Dunkerqueenflandre (talk) 09:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

House of Bernadotte
Union between Sweden and Norway
Hello, here are links to the arms of the house of Bernadotte, and Ssolbergj's illustration of the arms of the Union between Sweden and Norway. Hope this helps. Rs-nourse (talk) 18:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of Sir Edward Courtenay, 1st Earl of Devon, KG.pngEdit

Your work is certainly very attractive, but the garter surrounding every shield detracts from the pure heraldry. Ditto the coronet. Unless a reproduction of a contemporary historic image I can't see the point. Is it not somewhat pastiche? On the above file, what is your evidence for the label? Also, I think placing coronets of various degrees above the shield was something which started in the Georgian or Victorian era, and was unheard of in earlier times. Thus the images are in many cases anachronistic. One more point to make: you say these images are your own work, but based on what historic sources or other authorities? You have created some highly complex quarterings but given no sources at all. The work is thus decorative, yes, but of little value to the student of heraldry who cannot rely on your work, which could thus be misleading. How is the reader to know these arms are valid and credible? Heraldry is an academic discipline not simply a decorative art form. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC))

I appreciate your feedback. Your opinions, and the seriousness with which you have expressed them, are sincerely respected.  I am working to create illustrations for nearly 400 knights, so I will certainly make the occasional mistake and welcome the corrections. I have carefully researched each coat before I begin my work on a given piece. I pay close attention to printed blazons wherever they are available, but often must depend on visual source material from tombs, portraits, books or bookplates.  I whole heartedly accept your criticism on my general lack of source references. I realize this is a Wiki no-no, but I am relatively new to the WIKI and will be going back into each illustration and rectifying this as quickly as possible. I also appreciate and acknowledge my mistake with the label on Edward Courtenay's arms. It was an unintended carry over from Sir Hugh de Courtenay, the founder knight. I have since corrected it and posted the quartered arms as they appear on his stall plate.
With regards to the elaborate quarterings. All quarterings are based very specifically on those found in contemporary blazons in books, portraits, windows, tombs, etc. I never attempt to quarter arms where no contemporary example exists. Again, I do acknowledge my error with not including references, and I will be rectifying this.
As to your aesthetic critique -- pastiche -- you are certainly entitled to your opinions, but I am in no way failing to follow the rules of heraldry when creating these illustrations, and I will do my best to explain the decisions I have made.
First, allow me to say that I have studied heraldry for over twenty years.  Like you, I am immensely interested in the academic aspects and history of the practice.  However, I must beg your acknowledgement that, in addition to the academic discipline, there is a rich artistic aspect to heraldry.  Focusing purely on the blazon often produces dry, uninteresting executions which I do not believe was ever the intention of the heralds.  One cannot ignore the history of the pomp associated with the noble knight and his coat armour.  The range of charges and tinctures, shields, banners, barding and badges speak volumes to the fanfare associated with the practice of heraldic decoration, flamboyance and pride.  Why else would the College of Arms exist, laws be written, and suits be filed in the name of protecting the rights to bear a coat of arms?
If you need further evidence to the wide range of illustrative interpretation of blazons you need look no further than the cathedrals, monasteries and parish churches across England and Europe. These buildings are alive with brightly colored arms and you'd be hard pressed to find any two rampant lions that look alike. So, your point about distractions and liberties is a bit lost on me. I have stayed true to the rules of the blazon -- field, charges, tinctures, et al. Yes, I have chosen to employ diapering and other more modern forms of design, but I prefer to see arms beautifully illustrated rather than mechanically cut out with overly repeated charge elements from SVG and vector files so readily available.
So why then? Throughout my study of heraldry and history, it has always amazed me at just how difficult it can be to locate existing illustration of historic arms, quartered arms, etc.  I was recently writing a piece on the Most Noble Order of the Garter and found it incredibly frustrating that there was no comprehensive place to quickly reference the coat armour displayed by the knights therein. I know these arms are on display at the College, but not online. I therefore decided that I would take it upon myself to illustrate the arms of all the knights of the Order from the time of its founding through Elizabeth I – 392 to be exact -- no small undertaking to be certain.
I appreciate that you might disagree with my creative choices, and again, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.  However, I will begrudgingly explain my reasoning, though I do believe your aesthetic opinions on how a blazon should be interpreted holds no weight in the grand scheme of what should or should not be added to the Wiki. Your preference for the flat, cold version of the Courtenay arms -- big yellow field, three red dots -- suggests to me that you have gone too far in the other direction. Or three torteaux can be beautifully displayed and still be academically correct and perfectly acceptable to the "student of heraldry," Garter and coronet be damned.
The practice of encircling the arms with the Garter of the Order began to see prevalence during the reign of Henry VII.  It became constantly observed in the design of stall plates during the reign of Henry VIII.  There are examples of earlier encirclements (e.g. Charles, Duke of Burgundy - c.1469, and Francis Lovel, Viscount Lovel (1483).  Seeing as how my goal has been to illustrate the arms of all of the knights of the Order from Edward III through Elizabeth I, I made the conscious decision to encircle all of the arms with the Garter for consistency sake and as a nod to the currently accepted practice. I am not attempting to replicate the original plates or represent my illustrations as historical copies. They are my interpretations of the historical blazons, but true and accurate to the best of my abilities, and following the rules.  I wanted the group of 392 illustrations to be consistent and uniform in this manner, so yes, there are definite anachronistic elements in play.  I would point out that there is a great deal of precedence for this practice throughout the history of writing on the subject.  Biographers, heralds, engravers, artisans, and historians have, for centuries, created all sorts of illustrative elements where the Garter and/or coronets have been added to historical arms.
With regards to the coronets.  I differ with you on this issue in that I prefer to be able to quickly identify the peer ranking of a subject.  Coat armour tells us nothing of this and while you are correct that it is a relatively recent practice, it is certainly the current practice and it is very much my artistic right to make such a choice as it is not outside the rules or acceptable practice of modern heraldic illustration.  To be honest, my preference would have been to include the crests, helms and mantling of each individual, but alas that is additional time I cannot spare.
Again, I do appreciate your feedback.  While I strongly disagree with your aesthetic opinions, I do value your corrective feedback and the ability to have such discourse in the online Wikiverse.
R. Scott Nourse (talk) 06:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much indeed for your new images of "unembellished arms" minus garters etc. These are superb images which I doubt could be bettered. As I suggested on your WP talk page, these would be the nec plus ultra of heraldic images on WP, and I think I'm right now seeing the results. I will certainly be using them and helping to get them onto the pages where they belong. Thanks for the great work! (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 16:21, 2 January 2014 (UTC))

Barons did not get coronets until the reign of Charles II (1660-1685) but for the higher ranks, peers' coronets were in regular use in the Tudor period and they looked more or less as they do now. They're certainly not a Georgian or Victorian invention.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by NorreysOfRycote (talk • contribs) 13:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Autopatrol givenEdit

Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically sighted. This will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to help users watching Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones. Thank you. INeverCry 23:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Rs-nourse (talk) 23:35, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Dinham arms - Burke's erroneous blazonEdit

Re: File:Coat of arms of Sir John Dinan, KG.png, I had noticed Burke's erroneous blazon of these arms elsewhere, which you have I think followed. Should be Gules, four fusils in fess ermine. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 23:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC))

Thanks for the note. Looking back through my notes I see that in addition to Burke, I have included Edward Rowe Mores’ printing (1748) of the 15th century manuscript “Nomina et Insignia gentility Nobilium Equitubque sub Edvardo primo regs Militantium” (which includes the Roll of Callais) blazoning the arms of Lord Dinan as "Gules, une fesse entente de Ermine”. Perhaps the originator of that roll mistook the conjoined fusils for an indented fess. I will do some additional research on this and make the appropriate corrections. --Rs-nourse (talk) 05:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Found pedigrees in the visitations attributing the arms you mention to the Lords Dynham. I've made the change. Thank you again for calling this to my attention.--Rs-nourse (talk) 06:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Henry FitzroyEdit

I also enjoy heraldry, and appreciate your work, but I looked at the frieze (not "freeze") from which you took the arms of Henry Fitzroy, Duke of Richmond and Somerset, and it appears to me that the border of the fourth quarter, like that of the first, is ermine. I couldn't think why France Modern should have two different borders on the same shield. Anyway, thanks. J S Ayer (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. This was an error on my part. I have uploaded the correction. I appreciate you calling it to my attention. --Rs-nourse (talk) 23:23, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of William de Fortibus, Earl of Albemarle.pngEdit

Just a query relating to the above file, part of your excellent and very useful work. Please see my query as to the correctness of the arms, posted on the file's description section. Regards.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2014 (UTC))

Thanks for the note. To be honest, I don't quite know why the previous version (bendy of six argent and azure, a chief or) was uploaded. I'm not certain who's arms these are or why they were within my Sureties folder. Anyway, I appreciate the note. A new version has been uploaded. --Rs-nourse (talk) 16:54, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


Hello Rs,
Firstly let me say that you do wonderful work. I am pretty good at MS Paint, but can only look in wonder at what you have achieved. What programme do you use? I do have another question. What font do you use for the Rolls and do you know where it is obtainable? Look forward to hearing from you. Regards Kiltpin (talk) 14:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kiltpin, thank you so much for your feedback. I really appreciate it. I do most of my work in Adobe Photoshop, with some occasional element development on good old fashioned pen and paper (then scanned in). I also use Adobe Illustrator to create various vector elements and shapes. As to fonts, there are two that I use on the rolls of arms (no rhyme or reason as to which one and when), 1) Carolingia ( and 2) Cardinal Alternate ( Hope that helps. Best, --Rs-nourse (talk) 20:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Rs, that's ideal. Kiltpin (talk) 14:10, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


Hello Mr Nource, I really enjoy your remarkable coats of arms. They are magnificent! I saw a very nice coat of arms and I have a lot of private questions regarding this coat of arms. That’s why I want to avoid the internet. So could you please contact me at the following emails address: With very kind regards, J.J. van den Broek

Dear M. Nource, Your coats of arms are indeed magnificent, and add some much beloved colour to the pages they illustrate. Your website and designs are beautiful and helpful. I'm in the middle of a research project on Edward IV's court and would love to ask you some questions about your designs, especially for the Woodvilles. Please contact me at, at your convenience. Thanks again, and I hope to hear from you! Cheers, RO —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 20:28, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

FitzAlan armsEdit

Hello, first my compliments to you for a very nice collection of arms you uploaded, especially uploading those rolls of arms which is the first time I had the chance to see them all at once in one place and with such great quality. ;)

Anyway I was wondering if you may have some information I am seeking. I was searching around the internet for any information about the family we know today as "FitzAlan" and the arms they used prior to succeeding in Earldom of Arundel. All I can find is the generic 'gules, lion or" which was adopted from the previous family (D'Audigny or Albini) that held the earldom before them. There was certainly time for them to have an arms of their own prior to succession in Arundel and I find it very unlikely they didn't have arms of their own prior to adoption of those from Aubigny in mid-13th century. Any clues? Shokatz (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello. The original Fitzalan arms are usually given as barry or and gules and these arms were ofter borne by later earls of Arundel.

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KG416 Esme Duke of LennoxEdit

Your image of the arms of Esme Stewart the Earl of March and 3rd Duke of Lennox in the Knights of the Garter series has some errors. His name was STUART not Stewart (Source: The Most Noble Order of the Garter 650 years by Peter J Begent and Hubert Chesshyre, 1999, p318. It is also painted as Stewart on the Dean's Tables, a full series of shields of the knights painted since circa 1635 and continued today, in the library of the Deanery, Windsor Castle. This is not open to the public but a full set of photographs of the shields is available as a DVD from the Heraldry Society.)

The arms you have done have a fess counter gobony azure and argent; this should be a fess checky argent and azure. The borders are the wrong way round, so the 1st and 4th are where the 2nd and 3rd should be and vica versa. The buckles' tongues should all face the dexter.

This is my own blazon taken from his stall plate in St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle with its stall reference: N25/8 Quarterly 1st and 4th Azure three fleurs-de-lis Or on a border Gules eight round buckles tongues to the dexter Or; 2nd and 3rd Or a fess checky Argent and Azure a border engrailed Gules; overall an escutcheon Argent a saltire engrailed between four roses Gules barbed and seeded proper. Crest:- Out of a ducal coronet Or a bull’s head Sable armed and crined Or with flames issuing from the mouth Gules. Supporters:- Two wolves proper. Mantled:- Gules lined Ermine. Motto:- AVANT DARNLY The Garter ensigned with an Earl’s coronet sans cap. A peer’s helm (gold). Text:- Du treshault et trespuissant Prince Emme (sic) Duc de Lenox, Comte de Marche et de Darnley, Baron de Laighton Bronswold D’Aubignye Terboulton, Methuen, et St. Andre, grand Chambellan, et Admirall d’Ecosse, gentilhome de la chamber du life de sa Ma’te et Ch’lr du tresnoble Ordre de la Jartierre. Enstalle a windesor, le 22 d’Avril 1624.

This can be checked soon as a full set of photos were taken of the stall plates a couple of years ago and will soon be available on disk from the Windsor Castle shop. Bedsitdriver (talk) 10:52, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your note @Bedsitdriver. Very much appreciated, and I am certainly going to track down some of the resources you've mentioned. I have corrected the illustration based on your blazon. With regards to the spelling of the name, the original surname of STEWART was adopted by Walter Stewart, 3rd High Steward of Scotland (a reference to his position). The French spelling of STUART was not used until the mid-16th century when it was adopted by Mary, Queen of Scots during her stay in France -- she changed the spelling to make it more pronounceable by French speakers. The spelling was also adopted by her second husband, Henry Stuart, Lord Darnely and their son James (VI and I), thus beginning its use by the British royals. However, other Scottish nobles continued to use the traditional STEWART spelling, e.g. Stewart of Stewart, Stewart of Barclye, Stewart of Bute, etc. Esmé Stewart was also from the house of Stewart of Darnley, but he and the Dukes of Lennox that followed him -- until the death of Charles Stewart (d. 1672) -- typically maintained the spelling as STEWART (although they appear to have been somewhat interchangeable) --R. S. Nourse (talk) 05:16, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of Hugh Bigod, heir to the earldoms of Norfolk and Suffolk.pngEdit

Keep up the great work, much appreciated. By any chance do you have a source for these tinctures? It is usually said that after his appointment as Earl Marshal, Bigod adopted the arms of the Marshal family, Earls of Pembroke, formerly Earls Marshal, Per party or and vert, a lion rampant gules. Can you shed any light? (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:23, 21 February 2015 (UTC))

File:Sir Thomas de Granson, KG.pngEdit

Great image, but should be paly, as per your description, not barry!(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 21:36, 20 June 2015 (UTC))

Thanks for your correction to File:Sir Thomas de Granson, KG.png.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC))

The arms of the City of GloucesterEdit

The Coat of Arms of the City of Gloucester

Hello, I wondered, would you be able to create a rendition of the arms of the City of Gloucester? That is, or three chevronels between ten torteaux three, three, three and one gules. There is already an illustration of them here, but it would be better if I had an illustration in your style in order to fit in with the series of shields in an article I'm writing.

(ps, thanks for all your work in the field of heraldry. Your emblazonments are always of a high standard, and your reconstructions of medieval armorials are an invaluable resource.) Zacwill16 (talk) 22:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your kind comments. I've uploaded the Coat of Arms you requested. I hope its to your liking. Best, --R. S. Nourse (talk) 23:05, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Cheers! Zacwill16 (talk) 12:58, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

File:Arms displayed by Hugh de Mapenor, Bishop of Hereford, at the signing of Magna Charta.pngEdit

May I query your source for File:Arms displayed by Hugh de Mapenor, Bishop of Hereford, at the signing of Magna Charta.png, please see my edit to the file description. ("Arms displayed by Hugh de Mapenor, Bishop of Hereford, at the signing of Magna Charta": Impossible as these were arms adopted and first invented much later by Thomas de Cantilupe (c.1218-1282), Bishop of Hereford, as is well recorded). Nice image though as always.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC))

As always, you keep me honest. I have scoured my records for the source on this. I'm quite confident that I made a mistake as your point on Thomas de Cantilupe is obviously correct. I have submitted a request to have the file deleted. Your monitoring is appreciated. --R. S. Nourse (talk) 02:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
An over-drastic solution! I have simply changed the file name to File:Arms of See of Hereford.png.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 14:04, 12 August 2015 (UTC))

File:Arms displayed by Richard Poore, Bishop of Chichester, at the signing of Magna Charta.pngEdit

Thanks for your response above and for taking my points raised so positively. It's always a pleasure to find your latest images and study them. I'm working on categorising whatever I find en passant under the family name in Category:Coats of arms of families of England. If you could possibly add appropriate cats to your new productions that would be very useful indeed. This then gives a database of historical images mixed with modern images, which is a valuable check on accuracy. A wider query as to your source which refers to "arms displayed at signing of Magna Carta": I think I can say with certainty that no roll of arms was made at this event and I think the earliest English roll was late that century. See Wikipedia:Roll of arms. Or perhaps we are referring to seals appended to the document, which I don't think survived and would not show tinctures. Sounds a bit dubious to me.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 13:05, 11 August 2015 (UTC))

I will most definitely tag my works going forward. Great idea on that family group, btw. As to the Magna Carta nonsense, if I recall correctly I had illustrated these based on a book I had come across in the Mormon Church Library in Los Angeles, CA many years ago. I looked back through some of my notes and noticed that it was a self-published work by an author I cannot locate in any catalog -- Mark Northrup Ryland. I did some minor cross-checking with Burke's Armory, but clearly there were errors that I overlooked. To your point, there was no roll of arms from the signing. And while the names (and many of the seals) survive there are no tinctures on the seals. So apart from the very obvious, de Clare, Fitz Walter, etc., some of them were a long shot. Anyway, I've deleted many of them as they come into question.--R. S. Nourse (talk) 00:03, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Wow, you're going to have fun with this! Many thanks, I have already seen your new categorisations on your excellent images of all those rolls of arms you have contributed in Category:Rolls of arms, which I had not seen before - a great body of work to your further credit. Is it all your work, and where do you find the time?? (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 11:06, 13 August 2015 (UTC)) PS Perhaps instead of deleting the images you refer to above, which would surely be a waste, you could simply rename them (as I did with your image of the arms of the Bishop of Hereford, see previous section above), the images themselves are probably quite valid, just the attribution to bearer was wrong in your source. Might take some research to re-assign to correct bearers.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 11:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC))
I'm a bit OCD when it comes to this stuff. You start me on something and I won't stop until it's done ;-) Yes, It is all my work, so with a full-time job and a family it gets done in the wee hours of the morning. But as you can see, I have gotten it down to a fairly templated process. AND Luckily I function best on 4 to 5 hours of sleep per night. I have begun submitting renaming requests as I encounter issues. Thanks for the advise there. I really do need to spend some time better understanding the finer details of Wiki work. At some point I'm going to post the charge library I've built up -- I create my charges as high resolution PNGs, so some people out there might enjoy using them. --R. S. Nourse (talk) 11:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Great, that will be very useful. May I suggest you apply for file re-naming privileges? See Commons:File renaming, which will allow you to change file names yourself.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 10:25, 23 August 2015 (UTC)) PS One more minor matter for your attention, see next section.

File:Coat of arms of Sir Thomas Howard, 4th Duke of Norfolk, KG.pngEdit

Has the label argent usually shown by you in the arms of Category:Coats of arms of Thomas of Brotherton, 1st Earl of Norfolk been omitted from the quartering in this image?(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 10:33, 23 August 2015 (UTC))

Good catch. Was just an oversight on my part. I've corrected the error.--R. S. Nourse (talk) 06:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks re: Category:Coats of arms of families of EnglandEdit

We're about to smash through the 800 barrier - thanks almost entirely to your work, which has quadrupled the size of this now very useful cat. Very many thanks!(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 13:49, 26 September 2015 (UTC))

Request for ImagesEdit

Hello and let me start by saying your work is amazing!

I am looking for the unembellished arms for some of the nobles you have detailed, specifically, Tiptoft 1st Earl of Worcester, Lionel de Welles 6th Baron Welles, John Neville 1st Marquess of Montagu, John Sutton 1st Baron Dudley, Walter Devereux 7th Baron Ferrers of Chartley. Would it be possible to get these from you? I am working on a Wars of the Roses project. I can be emailed at —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 12:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I sent you an email. let's discuss offline. --R. S. Nourse (talk) 15:02, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Fane vs. Vane armsEdit

There is a subtle difference between the arms of Fane and Vane, concerning of which hand the gauntlet, and whether palm up or palm down (see file description of File:FaneArms.PNG). The error is in File:Arms of Fane, Earls of Westmorland.png * 3. You could possibly just rename the files "Vane arms". Regards(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 02:15, 30 October 2015 (UTC))

Thanks. I have corrected the gauntlets to reflect "back affrontée"--R. S. Nourse (talk) 07:19, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Nice work, thanks(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:27, 3 November 2015 (UTC))

One more Fane slipped the net!File:Quartered arms of Fane, Earls of Westmorland.png(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 17:14, 7 November 2015 (UTC))

Thanks. Now corrected. --R. S. Nourse (talk) 16:31, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for Peyton armsEdit

Just a brief thank you! I was working on a WP article and needed an image of the Peyton arms, of which I knew the blazon. So I thought "Why not have a look at the new Category:Coats of arms of families of England. I did that and on looking under P, sure enough I found one of yours: File:Armorial Bearings of the PEYTON family of The Bartons, Colwall, Herefordshire.png. The system is now becoming seriously useful! Many thanks for all your work.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 21:04, 22 March 2016 (UTC))

Love it! Glad to be contributing.--R. S. Nourse (talk) 04:38, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

--NorreysOfRycote (talk) 17:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)--NorreysOfRycote (talk) 17:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)== File:Coat of arms of Sir Robert Willoughby, 1st Baron Willoughby de Broke, KG.png ==

Hi again! Stumped as to the above. Have consulted your stated source, but does not match to arms sculpted on his monument in Callington Church, Cornwall, which show arms of Willoughby of Eresby in 1st q.,( see File:WilloughbyArmsCallingtonChurch.jpg). Don't see where the or, fretty azure comes from. Am I missing something? Have replaced the above with your similar image of Willoughby of Eresby, in his WP article, pending any clarification if you are able! Many thanks.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 13:01, 10 April 2016 (UTC))

See Surrey Roll and the arms on the Tomb of Sir Fulke Greville and Elizabeth Willoughby, 3rd Baroness Willoughby de Broke in Alcester Church in Warwickshire. Note the first two quarters on her Lozenge.--R. S. Nourse (talk) 05:31, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Early Willoughbys bore quarterly Ufford (sa cross engrailed or) with Beke (gu cross moline arg). Later, arms for Willoughby were adopted (or fretty az). All 3 coats appear on various Garter stall plates.

While on the subject of Willoughby, may I point out a mistake in the arms of the 1st Earl of Lindsey (a Charles I Garter knight)? His stall plate has a shield with 24 quarterings, which might be impractical for you to reproduce (although I can send you the blason if you want) . I don't think he would have used, or did use, the Ufford and Beke quarterings without the or fretty azure of Willoughby. The other mistake is the escutcheon of Norreys. This refers to the 2nd, not the 1st, Earl's marriage. The 2nd Earl was also a KG (1660 under Charles II), so it's confusing. Lastly, you probably know this, but you can buy a CD with detailed photographs and descriptions of all the surviving Garter stall plates here: Meanwhile, please keep up your good work. It really is wonderful. NorreysOfRycote (talk) 18:29, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Cruse/Cruwys armsEdit

Thanks for your response above, haven't looked at it yet, have had a summer wiki-break. Looks interesting. I think your File:Armorial Bearings of the CROOSE (Cruse) family of The Lodge Estate, Burlton, Herefs.png should look like File:CruwysArms.png, regarding the bend! In 2014 I took a load of photos in Cruwys Morchard Church, Devon, of the family's monuments, covered with these arms, but have lost the images! I'm not sure I got the division of the bend the right way round, possibly gules should be uppermost. Regards Lobsterthermidor (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Cheyne/le Chen coat of armsEdit

Arms of the Cheyne Clan of Scotland, viz: "Azure a bend between six cross crosslets fitchy argent"

Hi, I was wondering if you could help me by creating or suggesting another user who may be able to assist creating the coat of arms of the Cheyne Clan of Scotland. It is Azure, a bend, between six crosses crosslet fitchée, Argent. Appears to be similar to Bosnia and Herzegovina coat of arms. Regards Newm30 (talk) 19:14, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Here are the CHEYNE arms you've requested. Enjoy. --R. S. Nourse (talk) 04:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Newm30 (talk) 07:08, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

ARCHER of Umberslade Hall, Warwickshire andEdit

I admire your artwork displaying many of the ancient and modern coats of arms.


The armorial bearings of the ARCHER family of Umberslade Hall, Warwickshire, viz: Azure, three arrows, points downward, or

you display arms described as Armorial Bearings of the ARCHER family, of Little Hereford, Herefordshire

Arms: Azure three arrows or. (But this artwork shows arms that are blazoned in the English language as: Azure three arrows or, points upward.) My understanding from Burke is that the French blazon would be: D'azure trois flèches d'or without the additional "points upward"; French normal is points upward, English normal is points downward.

My assumption is that ARCHER of Little Hereford is a cadet branch of ARCHER of Umberslade Hall because of the similarity in arms. If you please, could you produce Armorial Bearings of the ARCHER of Umberslade Hall, Warwickshire. Arms: Azure three arrows or. (i.e. Azure three arrows or, points downward)

Such arms could also be placed on Wikipedia Commons and displayed at:,_1st_Baron_Archer


Am I understanding how to blazon their arms or am I misguided?

Sincerely yours, 11:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Here are the arms you've requested for ARCHER of Umberslade Hall, Warks. Enjoy. --R. S. Nourse (talk) 04:28, 10 December 2016 (UTC)


I see you haven't edited for a year- I hope everyhting is OK! Just a quick question really, about your designs (which are indeed magnificent). Are they user-generated versions or scanned (and recoloured perhaps) from the source? (St John Hope, for ex) I hope you don't mind me asking- nothing personal I assure you, it's just I've been asked the same question on en.wp per an article review I have in process. Thanks again- take care! Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (talk) 22:54, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I haven't added any new illustrations in a while. I've been doing quite a bit of custom work for individuals. As to the designs, they are my work based on originals or illustrated from various rolls of arms where only a blazon is available. Curious what you are referring to in your example, "St John Hope." I can't locate the image you've referenced.--R. S. Nourse (talk) 03:31, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks very much for getting back to me, Rs-nourse. It was regarding this illlustrtaion- Hope is mentioned in the description. It is pretty old though. I was asked in this A-class review dscussion, if you can advise. I don't thikn it's a deal breaker in any caes, but. Thanks very much again! Nice work, by the way- I use the all the time! Cheers, Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (talk) 15:45, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
AH! I see now. I thought you were referring to the arms of a "St John Hope." Yes, I referenced the stall plate descriptions in William St. John Hope's "The Stall Plates of the Knights of the Order of the Garter 1348 – 1485: A Series of Ninety Full-Sized Coloured Facsimiles with Descriptive Notes and Historical Introductions, Westminster: Archibald Constable and Company Ltd, 1901." for my Garter illustrations.--R. S. Nourse (talk) 02:58, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Error in File:K-087-Coat of Arms-FITZMARMADUKE-John FitzMarmaduke ("Johan le FizMermenduk").pngEdit

Hi Rs-nourse. I just noticed that File:K-087-Coat of Arms-FITZMARMADUKE-John FitzMarmaduke ("Johan le FizMermenduk").png is currently incorrect. It shows the Thweng arms Argent, a fess between three popinjays vert, not those assigned to FitzMarmaduke Gules, a fess between three popinjays argent. Regards Newm30 (talk) 00:36, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Excellent catch! Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have made the appropriate corrections. --R. S. Nourse (talk) 19:09, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of George Nugent-Temple-Grenville, 1st Marquess of Buckingham, KG, KP, PC.pngEdit

Hi Rs-nourse, this coat of arms appears to be a scan out of some publication. Could you please add the source for it? We would need it to evaluate its copyright status. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 06:32, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Actually, it is not a scan. It is an original illustration created in the style of 18th/19th century engravings. If you look at my Commons page I believe you will see that I've illustrated 1000's of shields/coats of arms in the same style. Thanks for your input. Feel free to remove it from Buckinghams' page if you deem it inappropriate to the subject. --R. S. Nourse (talk) 13:47, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Rs-nourse, thank you for the clarification. If this is your own work, I would like to see the blazon and a reference for it. You are right that I noticed it on Buckinghams' page (which is on my watchlist). I do not mind its addition but I would like to see in the article the blazon and a bibliographic reference for it added as well. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 22:15, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Several sources for the blazon, "Vert on a cross argent, five torteaux (Grenville)," but the main being that of the Marquess of Buckingham's Order of the Garter stall plate located at N6/2 in St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle. In this instance he opted to use the Grenville arms without quarterings. Bernard Burke, in The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales, 1864, p. 426 (, states the following: "Grenville (Temple-Nugent-Brydges-Chandos-Grenville, Duke and Marquess of Buckingham and Chandos). Quarterly, 1st and 6th, vert on a cross ar. five torteaux, for Grenville, 2nd, quarterly, 1st and 4th, or, an eagle displ. sa., for Leofric; 2nd and 3rd, ar. two bars sa. each charged with three martlets or, for Temple; 3rd, erm. two bars gu., for Nugent; 4th, ar. on a cross sa. a leopard's face or, for Brydges; 5th, or, a pile gu., for Chandos." Again, George Nugent-Temple-Grenville, opted to use the Grenville arms alone, without his quarterings, on his Garter stall plate, which is why I have illustrated them that way. See also: Debrett's Peerage of England, Scotland, and Ireland, 1840, ( --R. S. Nourse (talk) 02:07, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Ladies of the GarterEdit

Coats of arms of Reine Philippa of Angleterre1

Hello according to wikipedia Philippa of England (1394-1430) wife of Erik of Denmark, Norway and Sweden was ladies of garter in 1408, would you have a representation of his coat of arms thank you

Have a nice day

cordially--Dunkerqueenflandre (talk) 05:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

While I haven't personally illustrated the arms of the various "Ladies of the Garter," prior to their creation as Companions, the impaled arms of Erik of Denmark and Philippa of England (his wife) have been illustrated by User:Jacques63 , shown at right. Hope this helps. Best, --R. S. Nourse (talk) 17:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello, yes thank you very good day
cordially--Dunkerqueenflandre (talk) 04:42, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

File source is not properly indicated: File:Coat of arms of Sir Richard Weston, 1st Earl of Portland, KG.pngEdit

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Castillo blanco (talk) 06:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Made appropriate correction. Thank you.--R. S. Nourse (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
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