User talk:Zscout370/Archive 6

Philippines

Just a side note about the Philippine arms. I was of the understanding the change was never made official. If it was, I don't understand why all government websites, government seals, and the passport still show the Arms with the lion and eagle, 13 years after that act was written. This is extremely odd. Fry1989 ^eh? 04:08, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

• comment* The Gazette says the act was approved. So I guess this is indeed law. It doesn't explain why it's not being followed, but we're gonna have to, as it's our job. So very very odd. Fry1989 ^eh? 04:13, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I really do not like that country; it makes our job harder. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:31, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahahahaa, I was thinking the same thing. According to someone on the talk page for the Arms' article on Wiki-EN, a referendum has to be done before it can take affect. But the Act doesn't mention that. Idk what is what! Some countries just do things with no rhyme or reason. Fry1989 ^eh? 04:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

There was a proposed change to RA 8491 to not only fix the arms back to the original design as we have it, but that same act wanted to change the Philippines flag to nine sunrays. *headdesk* User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I had been aware of the push by some to add a ninth ray. However, I wonder how that would affect the flag when it is flown upside-down during a state of war. The way it is now, the sun is unaffected by the flip, but if another ray is added, the sun would be pointing downward. I doubt that would be viewed as a positive thing. As for the Arms, we still don't know what is what. The Act removing the lion and eagle was passed, but if the thing about the referendum is true, than it isn't in effect. I can't believe it would take over 13 years to have a damned public vote. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

From the concept art I saw and from what I done, the sun will be pointing towards the hoist so it will still appear the same. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, you're more fortunate than I. I've only ever seen it with the sun upwards, like so o.O Fry1989 ^eh? 03:44, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I think I found the solution for Philippines stuff. It says in full: "176.1. No copyright shall subsist in any work of the Government of the Philippines. However, prior approval of the government agency or office wherein the work is created shall be necessary for exploitation of such work for profit. Such agency or office may, among other things, impose as a condition the payment of royalties. No prior approval or conditions shall be required for the use of any purpose of statutes, rules and regulations, and speeches, lectures, sermons, addresses, and dissertations, pronounced, read or rendered in courts of justice, before administrative agencies, in deliberative assemblies and in meetings of public character. (Sec. 9, first par., P.D. No. 49)" It says that statutes are fair game and any work we do based from this statues are ok. We just need to draw them on our own. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant, I commend your hunting skills. This is excellent news, as we can fast-track the design to SVG, and it the Philippine Coat of arms can stay as well. Now the question is, how exactly do we go about this with the least possible disruption? Fry1989 ^eh? 04:16, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Look at each image individually and deal with specific issues. The images I slated for deletion are lacking key factors, like original source of the image. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Would it be possible to move them back to Wikipedia English, until a vector can be done? Fry1989 ^eh? 04:25, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

They have no original source, so we cannot host them there. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Bugger. Oh well, the only difficult part really is the sea lion, the sun is made, and the rest is just a triangle and stars, so I guess the wait won't be too long. And SVG generally is more desired anyways. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

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Deletion

Can you please give your input on the two following nominations. Commons:Deletion requests/File:Gambia Coat of Arms.jpg and Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coat of arms of Dominica.png. The arms are both clearly covered by the licenses, despite Magog the Ogre's misunderstanding of what "text" means. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:52, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

With the Gambia, it is a copyvio of http://images.vector-images.com/116/gambia_coa_n4883.gif. So it is going to have to be deleted. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

That may be, however Magog must understand that it was deleted for that reason, and not the reason he nominated it, or else he will continue to nominate coats of arms because of his false understanding of what "official texts" includes. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:40, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I left that as a deletion summary and also in the closing of the deletion. Now, it is true that the texts of Gambia law does state that laws are not protected from copyright (7.b) but I have yet to find any law so far that discusses the arms in details or an official blazon of said coat of arms. The only symbol I found in detail is the national flag, which is found in the 1st Schedule of the 1997 Constitution. I am looking at Dominica and see what could be found. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:43, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Now for the Dominica image; yet again it was a copyright violation. I highly think we need to go through all of this user's uploads and check for copyvios. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

That wont be neccesary. I was the mover of the file from Wikipedia English. The file was not sourced from VI so I believed it would be safe under the license I selected. I am adding a note to the Wikipedia English filepages stating why the file is unfree, and that an SVG version created by a Wikipedian will be free and the proper license to select for it for Commons uploading. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Everything from flagshag was a copyvio from VI, from what I was able to find. I found two more images that sourced flagshag as the image source and they copied everything from VI. Find a blazon (or ask for one, who knows what step) for Gambia, I will have to spend more time on Dominica before I can give a clear answer. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna ask Sodacan if he can fastrack the Gambian and Dominican arms, and give him the proper licenses he needs for Commons uploading. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:56, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Blazon for the Dominican arms http://www.dominica.gov.dm/cms/?q=node/81 User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyright issue formerly on Jcb Talk page

Hi, Zach -- thank you for your response to my question at Jcb's talk page. Interestingly, I just received an email from Jcb which states, "Due to circumstances I'm currently not active at Wikimedia Commons." I suppose I should resubmit the deletion request for the Moldova stamp now that I have received yet a third confirmation email specifically stating the stamps are copyright protected. Actually, the stamp should be up for immediate deletion, and no longer subject to discussion. An excerpt from the email I received from the WIPO, and sent to Permissions clearly states the following: Banknotes and stamp images are protected by copyright and also have laws relating to protection from fraud and forgery. As a result, I am very concerned over Jcb's decision to keep copyrighted stamps tagged as public domain on Wikimedia Commons. I truly believe his actions may have placed the Foundation at high risk of international copyright violations when he could have made a no risk decision by deleting the copyrighted images from Wikimedia Commons, and asking the image sponsors to re-upload them appropriately to Wikipedia with the proper copyright tags. The same applies to all other stamps from the region (former Soviet Union) that fall in the same category of "assumed uncopyrightable". I'm sure the philatelists will be unhappy about this suggestion, but rest assured, it is being made in the best interests of the Wikipedia Foundation. I already submitted to Permissions two different email confirmations validating the stamps copyright protection, one from Posta Moldova who is the issuing postal authority and legal assign for determining copyright protection of their country's stamps, and the other from WIPO, who also stated specifically that the stamps are copyright protected, and carry other protections as well. For Wikimedia editors to assume those stamps fall under the category of not copyrightable is an incorrect assumption, and a dangerous one for the Foundation considering the Philately pro-activism in recent years by such world-wide organizations as the UPU and WIPO who are now actively protecting the philately businesses, and all other forms of intellectual property belonging to their member countries. Stamps primarily fall under the category of "applied art", the latter of which is unquestionably copyrightable, and is stated as such in the copyright laws of Moldova which I've already provided. Copyright is further verified by the international organizations who serve to protect the intellectual property of their member countries. I should also be receiving confirmation of copyright protection directly from the Republic of Moldova in the very near future. Few other stamps which are not allowed on Wikimedia Commons have had to undergo such strenuous validation of copyright protection, and it now has me wondering why there is such resistance to properly tagging stamps from this particular region of the world despite the validations I've provided?? The only real benefits I see in keeping the stamps available as PD-exempt at Commons applies primarily to the benefit of philatelists, some of whom happen to be Commons editors, and who utilize Wikimedia Commons to keep their stamp galleries online, and directly and indirectly advertise their personal collections, and/or philately businesses. Why is such activity not considered a COI?? It is a very limited segment of Wikimedia Commons, and is in direct conflict with the Foundation's policies and goals. IMO, editors and administrators who are also active philatelists currently utilizing Commons to display their stamp collections should recuse themselves from further discussion in this matter. Regardless, wouldn't it serve them just as well, if not better to use proper tags with copyright notices? It's certainly in the Foundation's best interest to abide by international copyright laws rather than risk legal repercussions. Do you not agree? I really would like to involve other administrators in this discussion. Would you be so kind as to arrange that for me? In closing, I reiterate that my opinions are based on the correspondence I have already received from Posta Moldova, UPU, and WIPO, and consider it foolish to think those organizations/entities are any less of an authority on this subject than the volunteers at Wikimedia whose research and assumptions are questionable at best. Further, because of the resistance I have received from a couple of other editors (both active philatelists) in accepting the fact these stamps are copyrighted, I have sent emails directly to the copyright officials of the Republic of Moldova. Once I receive a reply from them, I will gather all the correspondence I have sent and received regarding this issue, and will submit it Certified Mail to the Wikipedia Foundation. I would rather our editors and administrators handle this situation with due diligence, but considering the unwarranted opposition and incorrect assumptions I've received, it appears my only recourse is to submit my findings directly to the Foundation. Atsme (talk) 18:21, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I admit this is a lot for me to digest, so I am going to address your concerns one by one.

• WIPO is indeed an agency that helps countries develop or promote copyright protection of cultural works. However, copyrights are determined on a country by country basis, which are influenced by international treaties such as Berne and URAA. WIPO cannot just make a blanket statement over what is copyrighted and not copyrighted.
• In the case of Moldova, banknotes are exempt from copyright protections. In the copyright law of that country, Article 7 1-b states that "State emblems and official signs (flags, armorial bearings, decorations, monetary signs, etc.);" Now I do not know what exactly is covered with the clause "etc." but that is something that has to be found out on a case by case basis. With the stamps, it is a toss-up. I deal a lot with post-USSR law (which Moldova used to be a part of) and many of the former Soviet countries have such a clause in place about state symbols not being protected by copyright. I know Russia includes stamps in the non-protected category, but others like Belarus, offer copyright protection to stamps.
• The opinion that is going to be the most valid, and the most important, will be from Posta Moldova as the issuer of stamps for that country. While it is nice to send emails to the UPU and WIPO, the only from Posta Moldova only matters in the terms of the Commons. This goes back to copyright is determined by country, not an international organization someone happens to be a member of.
• I deal a lot more with flags, coat of arms and anthems in the terms of my expertise, artwork and issue area. Stamps, sure I collect them and are fun to have, is not an area that I have a lot of knowledge in. But both of those areas do have special regulations in place against misuse and counterfeiting and we have similar measures here at the Commons (or those are the main responsibility of the end-users).
• Is there a COI when it comes to keeping certain things on the Commons? Yes. I seen it happen a lot with media related to countries, time periods and I seen it happen on other projects like Wikipedia. It exists but I personally try and be fair when it comes to my issue areas. I do not know who is a stamp collector here or not, but I seen it happen a lot in Wikipedia (same with currency and logos).
• I don't think a certified letter to the Foundation will be helpful, but just a clear statement is needed for admins like myself to carry out. So if I can see the Posta Moldova email, or seen who you contacted, I will either look at the email or make contact myself. I am also in the process of going through the PD-Moldova category on the Commons and found several images that completely do not meet those requirements or deleting images that, while it could be PD, lied about the source, author and license. It is going to take a while, but don't think I am trying to dismiss concerns, just I need to look at a few things and also just need to get my facts straight before I march forward. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:20, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Zach - you are exactly the kind of administrator I knew in my heart existed on Wikimedia!! Thank you for your response. Whether or not your decision agrees with my opinion, I still want to thank you for at least taking the time, and exerting the effort to uncover the facts. I sent you an email which includes the two emails I received from Posta Moldova and WIPO. Please keep my email address confidential. Also, please forgive me for unloading all of this on you at once. If it's any consolation, I have requested additional help. FYI - I also have email correspondence from UPU but it says basically the same thing as WIPO, so I'll spare you all that reading. Either way, all are claiming copyright protection. If you'll look back at the "request to delete" talk pages, you will see I also included urls to multiple documents which cumulatively validate copyright protection of the stamps as "applied art", and exclude the "etc." exemption most editors use as justification for the PD-exempt tag. Carl provided intelligent arguments, many of which made me stop and reconsider my position, but in the end, I felt he incorrectly discounted the validity of Posta Moldova, and several other urls I provided. Just look at what happened in the U.S. regarding their copyright position. Stamps dating back to a certain period are not copyright protected while others beyond that date are protected. I strongly believe you'll find many other countries have adopted a similar position. I'm sure the confusion stems from practices that date back to pre-internet, pre-Philately as big business, pre-UPU, and pre-WIPO. Don't you think it's much safer to assume an image is copyright protected before assuming it is PD-exempt? In the case of the Moldova stamp in question, one has to consider there are three entities claiming copyright protection in unison, including Posta Moldova, (the issuing postal authority), the UPU (promotes the business of Philately for their member countries), and the WIPO (helped establish copyright protection for their member countries). If I'm going to make a mistake, I'd much rather make it on the safe side. Atsme (talk) 21:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

As I said before Atsme, the main authority that I will even consider is Posta Moldova is because they issue the stamps for that country. WIPO and UPU do not matter in this case because they will give general, blanket statements that will not apply to some countries at all. My country, the US, applies copyrights to stamps after 1978 (don't quote me on the year) but I know that it happens. There are some Moldova stamps that are just Soviet-stamps overlaid with text; I have to look at those to see what is possible but I think those will be kept since it is a Soviet-work and Soviet stamps are protected under PD-RU-exempt. But, because of you, I have looked at the entire of PD-MD and found a bunch of images that do not belong and will remove from the Commons. I will check the emails this week (and yes your email will be private) and make a decision on what to do. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:32, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Your input

I would appreciate your input at [[1]] Fry1989 ^eh? 21:13, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Mentoring

Alrighty, how's this go? :) Fry1989 ^eh? 00:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Btw, just going out with a mate, so I might not reply for a couple hours. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

As I said before, if you have any questions about fixing an image, a license, a copyright, a blazon, a color, come to me first before making the change. If you have any questions, you can ask me here (or if the Commons is not good enough, let me know what avenues work for you and I will figure something out). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 00:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

The Commons should be fine. Overall, I generally don't have any problems here. But when it comes to the complicated (or controversial) stuff, as you have mentioned, I will come to you first. Thanks. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:15, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

A more of a request from my end, and also from other issues, lets not use photographs as evidence of color shades. Let's stick more to sources like the ISO/GOST documents. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:21, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I will try and avoid photographs from now on. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Alrighty. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Stamps

Hi, Zscout370. What do you think of File:Putsch türkei.png (1961), File:Nusretmayingemisi.jpg (1955), File:KoreanWarpostalstampTC.jpg (1952, I've uploaded it). I have any info about stamps. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 13:58, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Merci. What do you think of File:Seal of Prime Ministry of the Republic of Turkey 2.svg (existing logo), File:Seal of Prime Ministry of Turkey.svg (same as the website of Ministry of Interior) ? Takabeg (talk) 00:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll research images in this category in detail. At least, the design of the presidential seal is considerable old (I've read in an article but I'm not sure). Takabeg (talk) 00:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Categories

Could you please take care of this category's DR by keeping it, and deleting the 3 empty subcats within? Gryffindor and I came to a (informal) agreement about our dispute. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Philippine seals

Would this count as a blazon for the Senate seal? I'm not sure, it is a description from a government site, but it doesn't directly quote any "official texts" on the matter. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

This won't work. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Croatian flag

Hi, i reverted your changes on croatian flag because the shield was little bit incorect, so the previous version is better for wide use. I will try to repair it in next few days. I find also that some elements depicted on those graphical standards are different from legal text (act on flag, coat of arms...). Thnx for help one again. --Ex13 (talk) 22:57, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I will also see what I can do but the shield was a bit of a problem. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Deletion File:Barbados COA.gif

Hello, I believe really vector-images.com makes (especially Uvex) copyfraud, because I saw many (all?) coa from Uvex on a free download site and also coa from Commons are wrong tagged as copyrighted by vector-images.com. The coa from Uvex looks also very different[2][3]. Do you have a discussion about this? -- πϵρήλιο ℗ 16:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

The version stated on the Commons and the one at Vector-Images are the same; we have many issues of copyright regarding their images. With coat of arms, if a blazon is found for the arms it could be recreated by another user. I have not found such a description yet, so the image has to stay deleted. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 18:17, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Flags of Thailand.

Xiengyod has been busy updating all the Thai flags according to http://www.identity.opm.go.th/identity/doc/nis04486.PDF, but I believe you also had a source, with very different colour pickers. Because of the two contradicting sources, would it not be prudent to have all the Thai flags in the original colours we were using before these two guides were discovered? Fry1989 ^eh? 21:16, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Let me look at this document and see what I can find out. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:21, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I decided to match the colors, because even if the TIS document is newer and more precise in the terms of colors, the users here will not allow it. I uploaded the TIS flag shades as a different file so it could be used for articles or something. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for looking in to it. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

PD-Japan-oldphoto

Hi, Zscout370. What do you think of File talk:Atomic cloud over Hiroshima from B-29.jpg ? & Is is this image PD or not ? Takabeg (talk) 05:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

PD in Japan, it has been 50 years since the work was taken (and I cannot find a life date for the guy). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 06:45, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Archive bot not archiving

It's been a while. Do you think you could take a look, see if I have it set up properly? Fry1989 ^eh? 20:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I made some changes and see if that works. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Fry1989 ^eh? 00:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Croatian Flag and CoA

Hi. As you already saw, my colleague, who is admin on hr:wiki, made a new version of presidential flag of Croatia. He also made new versions of flag and coat, but those files are protected. Could you please unprotect those files, that he can upload new versions? Thnx in andvance for that.

Also, I reverted your change regarding the color of marten in the last shield. From historical and customary points of view, that animal is always black or brown. I dont know what is the reason that it is shown in yellow in these graphic standards (graphical standrads are just recommendation, not legal obligation). Also in orginal graphic standards the goat does not have red parts, but in original text of croatian law that is explicitly written. --Ex13 (talk) 16:04, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I've yet to see an actual source that this is the law. And we also have the same problem with File:Flag of Croatia.svg. That file was reverted back to it's version before this mess, and until it's straightened out, the Presidential flag such be held under the same concern. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:50, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

It was a decision based on the Croatian Government in Sept 2011 (so two months ago) according to http://www.sabor.hr/Default.aspx?sec=978 so these designs and specifications are official. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Is possible to unprotect File:Coat of arms of Croatia.svg so I can upload changed picture? --MaGa 14:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Unprotected. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 18:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Done, thanks again!--MaGa 18:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Hi. I found the date. Takabeg (talk) 19:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Possible sock

How would I go about asking for a checkuser? There's two users who seem to be tag-teaming DRs, and it' very suspicious. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:02, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I only asked opinions of other users. Beause I'm not sure even about my understanding and approach. Furthermore I don't know whether they will nominate them or not. Formerly User:Mach was interested in copyright violation of Turkey-related images. But I couldn't see him in Commons. I asked User:Reality who are interested in same problem. User:Reality replied "I am." I asked opinions of not only Reality but also other users. For example, I asked possibility of copyvio on File:KoreanWarpostalstampTC.jpg and images in Category:Coats of arms of Turkey to User:Zscout370. User:Zscout370 nominated DR. I asked Reality006 because he understands Turkish language. Zscout370 said to me that he read the Turkish copyright law. Both of them didn't nominate all of them. I don't always agree with their nominations. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 02:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

PD-South Africa

I would also appreciate your voice on the following unDR if you have the time. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Personal attack ???, File talk:Signal processors @ MUSICVOX.jpg‎ etc..

Hi, Zscout370. An user opened a topic on Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems‎. But I cannot understand the behavior and intention of this user ? You also (I understand) understand Japanese language. When you have the time, could you control edits of both side (Clusternote and Aimaimyi) and File talk:Signal processors @ MUSICVOX.jpg‎ ? Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 16:28, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Orphan

Can you please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air and insert back in the Airline's logo before we loose it for being an orphan. I would but I'm currently blocked by a bunch of witch--hunting incompetent admins who consider two edits an edit war, and now won't even allow me to use my talk page because I got an orphan warning on it and simply suggested somebody put it back before we loose this. The anonymous IP who removed the logo first replaced it with a picture of George W. Bush, and then to a picture of yet another aircraft (as if there aren't enough of them on the article already). It would be a terible shame to loose the airline's logo because of this. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:34, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, I asked a mate from the Down Under to do it for me. It is taken care of. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Wow, thanks.

I'm still trying to figure out why both pictures (Big Bang) were deleted seeing as they used CC BY 2.0. The person, who deleted it, didn't even give a good reason or even look at the talk page. Anyways, thanks for restoring. Lee Jaewon (Talk) 23:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

My only guess was just not looking at the Flickr accounts. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Lautaro

Hi. You've deleted File:Lautaro.jpg 'cause it was uploaded by a copyvioler user. I've seen there was a prior version uploaded by another user. Is it copyvio too? Can we restore this old version if acceptable? Bye Jalo 08:50, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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What's wrong with the flag of Malta?

Valletta, we have a problem. --Frank87 (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I reverted. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Deleted files

Hi Scout370. I noticed yesterday that File:Elio Di Rupo 3.jpg had disappeared because it was used on fr:WP. So I came here and discovered that the files uploaded by Donaldleclau were massively marked for deletion.

When File:Elio Di Rupo 3.jpg appeared on Di Rupo's article in August of this year, I thought is was a way too nice pic and asked a question to the user (see his talk page). But taking into account the exif data and his apparent identity, I thought it was OK after all.

So I think these cases were worth a discussion and not a speedy deletion.

Reasons:

• All the files by this user contained exif information, which is evidence that the uploader is actually the author.
• A quick search on Google shows that Donald Leclau is in charge with web communication with the Belgian socialist party (see here.

It is thus not incredible that this guy took the pictures. And if he is the author, the fact that some of these pics can be found on the net doesn't change the situation for us (although I had made a search for File:Elio Di Rupo 3.jpg without any result.

So I suggest you undelete these files and let the discussion happen. Asavaa (talk) 05:16, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

No. It was a identified copyright violation with a source, so under our policies, we delete. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Plus, when looking at the exif data, it masked a lot of the sourcing or did not give any indication. I found all of his uploads were a copyright violation, including the one you cited. There are more pictures of this new leader, under appropriate licensing, that you can use. I believe CommonsDelinker is going around now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:20, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Wait a minute. If an author of a picture decides to publish it here and somewhere else on the net, there is no copyright violation. And here I think we do have evidence that the author is the uploader. DId the pics you found on the internet have exif information? I checkek one, this one, it did not. So our uploader has more information (the exif) than the file you say he copied. THis is clearly evidence he has the original file and may be the author.

Definitely worth a discussion for me. Asavaa (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

No; it was stolen from the websites and passed off as his own work. There were several images he took from the Belgium Senate and claimed those as his own work; I found those and had those deleted. Every image he uploaded was a copyright violation found by myself or by others. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry, but you are not adressing any of my arguments, especially the technical argument that is: how can somebody take a pic from a website that has no exif and then put exif in it? And why suspect it when we do have indication the person behind the account may be the author (ie that person is in charge of communication at the party of the persons representend in the pics).

You may be right, but discussion should have continued and the person should have a chance to come forward and bring more info if needed.

If you are not willing to accept my request, could you indicate the place where I can bring this request. Asavaa (talk) 05:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

We asked for permission from his before, he never sent any. Plus we found a lot of the images found out to be copyvios, as I said before. But images can be restored and didn't want to have a copyvio on the main pages of so many Wikis, so the right move was done. So what EXIF data is on the image; it doesn't mean much to the admins here. As for where you can go, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:35, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

OK. I will inform the uploader about this so he can take care of it himself if he is indeed the author. Asavaa (talk) 06:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You done so in August User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 06:17, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

[sigh] I mean I am going to inform him about the events and about the process he can follow if he wants to have his files recreated. Commons is such a trap for innocent people, as these events show, and I just do not want to lose my energy here. Asavaa (talk) 20:52, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

We sent him many requests like that, but he has not responded to any requests to us; if language is the issue the templates and messages are auto-translated in French. He never said anything back and the authors were various (Party, Senate, random websites). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Based on what I see on his talk page: on March 3, one of his file was marked for deletion and....deleted on the same date. Then I did ask him a question in August, and then starting on December 1, a whole series of "marked for deletion" stuff, and deletion without any discussion. You cannot really say there were many requests. But I reckon the guy was pretty unresponsive, including to the message in french I posted (but I do not see anything (auto) translated on his talk page, not sure I that is normal). Let's see if he moves now. Asavaa (talk) 21:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

UDEL mass deletion

Hi, wasn't sure if you noticed, but the mass deletion at UDEL you reverted was 1 guy removing all the sections he had created. I agree with the revert, but maybe this can be taken as a {{Withdrawn}}. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I am going to at least have them archived so we known at least it was brought up. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Vacation

I'm going on vacation tomorrow, and I'd like to add a template to my user page and talk page stating this. I know of the {wikibreak} template, but it just says "user is away for a while and will be back soon". Is there another template, or a way to augment the wikibreak template, so I can add a personal message to it, like how long I'll be gone, and "if you want to contact me, please be patient for a reply" and so forth? Fry1989 ^eh? 03:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure if there is something like that for the Commons; I suggest a personal message instead. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:18, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Okey dokey, thanks. Fry1989 ^eh? 03:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

おれい

Zscout370'さんお久しぶりです。Mtiです。飯豊町旗と・大口町旗のsvg化ありがとうございます。私は今、日本の自治体の旗と紋章を作成しています。Zscout370さんの協力でまた一つ旗や紋章が増えたことに感謝しています。--Mti (talk) 20:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

User problems

Unfortunately, Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#User:Zscout370. Takabeg (talk) 05:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Escudodecolombia.gif

speak Spanish? not my file, I am not the author, only removed the remaining areas (Online translation). --SajoR (talk) 08:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I understand, but I have to tell everyone who uploaded that file. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:47, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Flag of the United Nations

Thank you for showing me how to convert Pantone to RGB properly. The color looks much better now. In hindsight, the blue color I submitted was definitely too red.

Many software and programs have different values for Pantones; so having this site from Pantone itself is going to help us a lot. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:37, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

image

Hi. Could you please delete this image? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Elias_M._Soto_-_Piano.jpg

--D9 (talk) 04:16, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

It was deleted by someone else. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Flag

Hello, could you create a SVG version of this file: Дмитрий-5-Аверин (talk) 13:53, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

What is this flag supposed to be used for? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:06, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Any chance you could help with a picture?

I added this file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Halcyon_Pink.jpg , and have read the FAQ, and can't seem to figure out how to put a license on it. I know this is probably well below your threshold, but could you explain what I need to do to keep it there like I was 5?

I like to ask did you make the photo yourself or did you get it somewhere? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, the image was taken from http://www.lifestudent.com/hub/wp-content/themes/thesis_16/custom/rotator/Screen%20shot%202009-11-23%20at%2010.28.11%20PM.png and we are not allowed to host this image. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:26, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmm. I didn't get it from there. He owns that web site, so it is not surprising that he would put his own pic there. Is it as simple as just sending him an email and asking for permission?

A second question as well. I saw a video of John Styn where he mentioned that he finally made it to wikipedia, but the only thing that was highlighted was his porn career, and I read his blog. Does that create a conflict of interest?

As for permission, follow COM:OTRS to follow step by steps for sending permission. We need the image to be used by anyone, anywhere and for any purpose. As for him saying he finally made Wikipedia; it is not a conflict of interest. Now if he was editing his own article, that is a different can of worms. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Another question, what does the red and green numbers in parenthesis behind the changes I made mean? Here is a pick of what I am talking about: http://i.imgur.com/79i4F.pngPizzamancer (talk) 08:04, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Several_PD-Old_files_deleted

You've deleted [File:1942ukrpoljudeakt.jpg] - http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:1942ukrpoljudeakt.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1 and [File:30061941rep-p4.jpg] http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:30061941rep-p4.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1- both PD-Ukraine - per Per Ukrainian legislation ( see 2nd para of Article 8 from http://zakon.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/laws/main.cgi?nreg=3814-12&p=1316201560854023) it's a public document - it was kept at Ukrainian SSR public authority file since 1944. It was kept at "Extraordinary State Commission for ascertaining and investigating crimes perpetrated by the German–Fascist invaders and their accomplices, and the damage inflicted by them on citizens, collective farms, social organisations" w:Extraordinary State Commission file for Lvivska region . Please restore it. ThanksJo0doe (talk) 17:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

No. The person who restored your images specifically called for the images to be redeleted because they were copied from other sources. They will not be restored. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 18:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

hi

Zscout, could you please fix my latest reply on a DR of the Bahamas fin flash? You will find it at the top of the list of my recent contributions. It wasn't supposed to be split in two parts, or to be half in bold, but I am using a smartphone and it makes things difficult. Fry1989 ^eh? 16:50, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Escudodecolombia.gif

Speedy deletion ? this file is on commons since 2009, which is the date of the alleged source that you mention ? Shadowxfox (talk) 22:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

There has been a similar version of the coat of arms being floated around online since 2008 and given similar images before the 2009 upload. This is not a user made file. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Bosnia-and-Herzegovina-relief-location-map.png

Hi Zscout, I saved my map under the wrong name, can you move it to: File:Bosnia and Herzegovina relief location map.png, thanks--DzWiki (talk) 14:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:W&J College tobacco silk.jpg

You commented on the undeletion for File:W&J College tobacco silk.jpg (archived at Commons:Undeletion requests/Archive/2011-12). You might be interested to know that 2 days after that image was undeleted, it was again nominated for deletion at Commons:Deletion requests/File:W&J College tobacco silk.jpg.--GrapedApe (talk) 23:01, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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New development as per existing UAE Law.

Can we include this logo as PD in respect to the article 3.1 of UAE copyright law as explained on Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Coats_of_arms_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates.svg..--...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 14:49, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

As long as it is published by a government ministry or agency, which I saw it is, it is no issue. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:37, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I just started a template, Please help to complete {{UAE-Exempt}} --...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 15:16, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Otto Hupp undeletion

What is the best way to group this? Single request for mass undeletion/mass of single requests were rejected, now I see two ways:

== Otto Hupp Undeletion Requests ==

many, many, requests

or

something like this. What will be better? Bulwersator (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks! Bulwersator (talk) 19:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
  • The problem with the last request was it was set up as "Undelete this category!" "What images?" "I dunno, but this makes the Commons look horrible." I gave you hints on your talk page on what can be done with the undeletion requests; still group the requests in groups of 5 or 10 (or any other number) but put them under that one sub-heading so it can be organized. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
  • The main thing I needed to know is what image needs to be restored and why for each image, regardless on how you group them. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:54, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
    • OK, is it expected format?: Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#Otto_Hupp_Undeletion_Requests. With "why" - my request is worded as "if and only if" as I don't know reason behind mass deletion. "Images in the category Category:Coats of arms by Otto Hupp are tagged with various licences. Most of them claim that the images are public domain because of the author's death is more than 70 years ago." - but at least part may be saved using {{Coa-Germany-b1945}} or {{PD-German Empire stamps}} licences. Request for temporary undeletion was denied so I am unable to verify whatever it is possible to undelete all listed files. Bulwersator (talk) 20:01, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
      • I closed the last requests not because I don't want a temporary restoration; it is because we don't know what images could be restored. It was just an entire category and say "restore all or the Commons will be in dismay." I welcomed a second look at these images, provided we know the reason why and what images could be restored. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:44, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Zscout370, I've undeleted the first 6 files. --Túrelio (talk) 21:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Alrighty. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:01, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

See Commons:Forum#Hupp-assoziierte_Wappen for the comments by :de-user Perhelion. --Túrelio (talk) 00:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Zscout370, as I was rather tired yesterday evening, I didn't realize that the discussion is now spread over at least 2 places. Should I direct the contribution from the Forum to the UR-page? --Túrelio (talk) 08:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes please. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:09, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

File:Frazier_Peak_directional_sign.jpg

Hi!
I am reviewing a OTRS-Ticket concerning this file (#2011122810000663). I however do not understand your recent undeletion-deletion action. Could you please tell me if there is any other information that I should keep in mind about this file? Thanks a lot for your help! abf «Cabale!» 00:28, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I checked for an OTRS last night before I did a re-deletion and I could not find one. It was just a mistake I made and went back to the status quo. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag_of_Tokelau.svg

Hey,

You stated on Jan 31, 2010: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs & Trade contacted me; they said the blue color on the flag should match that of the NZ flag. Gold color is 109 Pantone, but I will sort that out later. Sill trying to fine tune construction details.

Maybe you didn't come round to it? Maybe you just forgot? I just wanted to remind you of your message here :) Take a look at it when you have the time okay?

Kind regards

--Rodejong (talk) 01:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll get it done tonight. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Category:Stamps_of_Moldova

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JS Sōryū (SS-501) 01.jpg

Hello, could you do me a favour and help me with the above image? I have taken it from JMSDF's official website to commons, since thier terms of use seem equivalent to the license tag {{attribution}}. Is an OTRS permission necessary in this case? Another user and I are afraid that asking for explicit permission might possibly invite bureaucratic rejection.--トトト (talk) 14:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

We cannot host it; the website at the bottom says "All rights reserved." and the terms page says that only republication is allowed with notice. There is no comment about using it commercially or allowing for modifications. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for a reply. I'll go for OTRS, whatever the result.--トトト (talk) 18:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

But also don't be afraid of rejection. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 18:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I had sent them 2 forms of e-mails on Saturday and Sunday but both of them were returned today. I guess they do not even wish to answer the inquiry, which was very expectable.

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <mso-cadv@ic.jmsdf.go.jp> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- <mso-cadv@ic.jmsdf.go.jp>... Deferred: Name server: ic.jmsdf.go.jp: host name lookup failure Message could not be delivered for 1 day Message will be deleted from queue

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Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Coats_of_arms_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates.svg

Will this picture enjoy protection as per the law --if their compilation or arrangement or any effort thereof is characterized by creative manner shall enjoy protection.(recently pointed out, while considering similar image)--...Captain......Tälk tö me.. 09:17, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

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Commons:Undeletion_requests:Current_requests/File:Churubusco_map.png.

Thanks for dealing with this. Because I didn't get a chance to comment at the UnDR before it was closed, I left a note at User_talk:Davodd#Commons:Undeletion_requests:Current_requests/File:Churubusco_map.png.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 02:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

It is not a problem. I undeleted it due to procedural issues. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 06:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Restaurant Week Logo Undeletion

Thank you very much for your help with the Restaurant Week logo undeletion.Varunr (talk) 09:08, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Just curious

...and absolutely no rush, but are you still working on improvements for File:Coat of Arms of Jordan.svg? Just keeping tabs. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

No. But the eagle is a major concern of mine. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:29, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty, I might make a request to get it worked on a bit more. Btw, you reversed my dupe tag for the coat of arms' of Ukraine. Shouldn't File:Lesser Coat of Arms of Ukraine.svg be a dupe (and the one up for deletion) of File:Coat of arms of Ukraine.svg (the way I had it), because of two reasons, 1: the "Lesser" file was uploaded a year after the other, and 2: since the greater design is only a proposal, but has never been adopted, so officially there is no "lesser" version, and therefore "Coat of Arms of" is the correct naming? Fry1989 ^eh? 02:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Ukraine's Government confirms the great design has not been adopted. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:17, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

And that is true. However, the legislation that was adopted in 1992 officially calls this arms the lesser arms of Ukraine (малий герб України). So while I know there is not a bigger arms due to lack of an 2/3rds endorsement of the Rada, we should follow what the Ukrainians stated in their law. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

The problem for me is that calling it a lesser when there is no greater is somewhat misleading, especially for those not knowledgeable on the topic. But I also agree that we should use official titles. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I see where you are coming from and that is the part of life with our field; there are a lot who just don't know (or don't care) about any kind of accuracy. But we can always say "The 1992 law (link) calls this the lesser arms. There is no greater arms adopted as of now (link). Plus that is what Wikipedia is for. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:56, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Croatia.svg

Can you replace my wrong signature from

[[Suradnik:MaGa|<font color="Grey">'''Ma'''</font>]][[File:Croatian squares Ljubicic.gif|15px]][[Razgovor sa suradnikom:MaGa|'''<font color="Grey">Ga</font>''']]

to

[[User:MaGa|<font color="Grey">'''Ma'''</font>]][[File:Croatian squares Ljubicic.gif|15px]][[User_talk:MaGa|'''<font color="Grey">Ga</font>''']]

Thanks!--MaGa 11:04, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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Anthem

Resolved

I have to request you to upload the anthem of Chuvashia. The anthem is exempt from copyright according to Part IV of Civil Code No. 230-FZ. Thank you. --Ts Karlimkov (talk) 13:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Give me some time, but it can be done. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

The mp3 to ogg converter takes minutes to process the music. And uploading takes so long because files are 4 or 5 MB. --Ts Karlimkov (talk) 04:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I usually download it onto a computer, then convert it using Audacity on the computer. Then I upload. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:16, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Has the files uploaded yet or not? It is suitable for ru:Гимн Чувашской Республики. --Ts Karlimkov (talk) 06:30, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Not yet. I may not get to it very quickly, but I will put it on my todo list. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 06:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

FYI: en:Wikipedia:Files_for_upload#Anthem is also the same request! mabdul 23:06, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

A similar request was made here at the Commons. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:11, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Is your conversion finished and ready for upload? Hmm. Wait a minute, are your files almost finished and ready for upload? Ts Karlimkov (talk) 12:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Copied from my own talkpage:
The request is too late. Can you upload the anthem of Chuvashia? This mp3>ogg processing is difficult to me. --MW3 Warrior (talk) 10:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I uploaded the file at File:гимн чр оркестр.ogg; Please update the decription page and add a license tag since I have no idea which is suitable. Regards, mabdul 13:05, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Chuvash anthem

Someone is waiting to play the sample (used for ru:Гимн Чувашской Республики). Anything can you upload the file? Thank you. --MW3 Warrior (talk) 10:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Oops. I moved and modified my comment to User talk:Mabdul. --MW3 Warrior (talk) 10:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I took care of the licensing issue. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coat of arms of Antigua and Barbuda.svg

Since the nominator retracted his nomination, can you please close the DR properly as a keep. Thank you. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Took care of it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

日本語

こんにちは。これを見るにつき、Zscout370さんの日本語の理解力はいまひとつなんだなぁと思いました。というのは、日本政府の資料には、問題なしであることが、かなり明確に記されているからです。本音を言うと、別に消されても消されなくても大勢に影響はないものと思っています。また、日本に関連したファイルということでいうと、地方公共団体の旗や章の中には、著作権の帰属が明確に記されているものが多々あります。それらを無視して、パブリック・ドメインとみなしてしまうのは非常きに危険であり、先のグリコの例と比較した場合、ダブル・スタンダードが適用されていることがわかります。いずれにしても、より慎重に作業されることをお奨めします。Takabeg (talk) 01:32, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

それと、File:Osaka montage.jpgも消しておいてください、首尾一貫性のないのが一番まずいですから。Takabeg (talk) 01:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

With that Osaka image, I have asked before when the logo was made and when that sign was made. I never got that information from the undeletion request. So, I closed the undeletion request saying until we know the age of the logo, there is nothing we can do. I deal more with heraldry than with FOP, but as I told you before, I would have had the same view of you about the symbols. Where if the symbol was not PD by age, then we cannot have it. However, as I spent more and more time on the Commons, the more where my viewpoint was changed to where if it was included in a law, regardless of age, we can include it. Now, what I did with the Osaka photo is I sent it to a deletion request asking for the Glico man photo to be removed (or evidence provided that such image/logo is public domain due to age). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:51, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Gimn_partii_bolshevikov.ogg

File:Gimn_partii_bolshevikov.ogg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

sугсго 09:08, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Music by Alexandrov is actually in PD per {{PD-RU-exempt}} as it is current National Anthem. The lyrics are copyrighted anyway but please don't hurry in the future with closing nominations concerning state symbols. --M5 (talk) 08:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The copyright status is disputed. Maybe: PD music and Copyrighted lyrics could transform into Modified and Re-copyrighted song. --MW3 Warrior (talk) 12:26, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The song was a precursor to the Soviet (and now current Russian) anthem, so it is not an actual symbol. It was also a song for a political party at that time, so it is not a state symbol. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry!

Sorry about the reverting on Monmouthshire. I think I've fixed it while still keeping the smaller file size. The renderer seems to have trouble clipping groups together, so I split it up and it worked. Again, sorry about the snappiness. NikNaks _{talk - gallery - wikipedia} 21:30, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh no you are not being snappy at all. I think this actually fixes both of our problems. Thank you for your work on this image. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:37, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:New_Horizons_trajectory_.282011-07-14.29.jpg

I have taken the liberty of reopening this. As I explained there, Ruslik0 is a Steward and should understand our policies and procedures. I think it would be a good thing if we gave him a chance to understand this issue -- or, perhaps, explain more clearly why you and I are wrong.

I occasionally think you are a little quick with the closures -- as in this case, when there is an active discussion going on, I think it might be better to give 24 or even 48 hours after the last comment before closing, even when the result is obvious. If the request comes from a newbie, it gives a chance to flush out all the questions -- a teaching moment which may help in the future. In cases like this, where the request comes from an experienced user, it may give him a chance to frame his reasons better, particularly where he is not a native speaker of English.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 16:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I mostly am quick with the closures because there was a time I went away for, I think maybe 2 days, and the page ballooned from 19 to 50 requests so I use quick closings to knock things down. If an image would never be restored due to copyright issues or that, I close early so it doesn't linger on the page. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I do understand that we're all trying to hold back the tide here -- the numbers can grow out of control very rapidly. So it's always a fine line, between more discussion or early close. Thanks,      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 17:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I got no issues with the reopening at all, if that was a concern. The thing that I am bothered by is if I close something, then people bring it back with no new issues (like the Eiffel Tower images) and just becomes frustrating. Plus I would like to maybe have one or two more admins at least go through the discussions I either closed in the past or have commented on before so more backlogs could be cleared (especially if the discussion is dried up like a prune). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Requested Right

Can you please grant me my requested right at Requests for Rights? I have 2 supports, I shouldn't have to wait over 3 weeks for a decision to be made, it's clear that the usual granting admins are avoiding my request. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:25, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I see 2 and 1, so I am not sure if I have the authority to give the right immediately. Plus, I am very involved with a lot of your disputes and issues in the past, so I would ask for a neutral party to deal with the request. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

But you were also supposed to be my mentor. I understand why you would prefer not to, I'm just frustrated because I've watched that page for a very long time (before I even requested), and I've never seen anybody have to wait nearly 4 weeks for a decision, usually they're handed out within a few days. Anyhow, I'll ask someone else. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Drina'-1 Tapai.jpg

"Brisana slika" - Drina Martyrs. I wrote two letters: the first is in Slovenian, the other is in English. Content is the same. In English I wrote more: so you must not understand Slovenian, because all is said in English too: all licenses are O.K., so restore the picture. Thank you very much!--Stebunik (talk) 00:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I saw the English one, but I feel it would have been better to have someone who understands your language look at it and if they have questions, they could ask you. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 00:27, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. My letter is in English, permission however in Hungarian. So would necessary somebody, who understand Hungarian. If you believe in my possibility, I can translate permission from Hungarian in English. I ask now, why somebody deletes one picture, if there does not exist a problem? I think this is irresponsible!--Stebunik (talk) 08:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Those who deletes one picture should first read and study all constants and circumstances and not just delete it by heart. I already at that time explained that the picture has all licenses, but it did not help. Why was not he first (who deleted one file), who asked someone who understand Hungarian and Slovenian language, what is written by a painter and by me? For the Wikipedia is still good to get a new picture, especially for the info-box, I think! For Drina Martyrs was it the only picture and now is info-box without info-picture in more languages!--Stebunik (talk) 09:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand deleting admins sometimes. I just looked at an undeletion request where if a human looked at those two images and their sources for about 10 minutes, the images would have been fine. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I think, you understand more about deletions and please, help in this case. Thank you!--Stebunik (talk) 21:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I will try and help as much as I can, but as I said, I want someone that knows and speaks Slovene to deal with the permission that everything is clear. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Official Japanese flag "red"

I note on the Flag of Japan page you made a note about official colors.... The links you posted in your various edits are now dead. Did you find info on the official colors? The english Wikipedia page "Flag of Japan" has various colors listed that vary quite a bit. Perhaps you can put the RGB or hex code info on the Commons page(s) for reference. BTW, one thing I've noticed in making SVG images is that some of the Pantone to hex code conversion web pages seem to be incorrect. I tend to use Illustrator's color books to give me a better conversion instead. Regards. Parsa (talk) 01:28, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

The one I use is "Munsell 5.7R 3.7/15.5 (Acrylic)" from the document "DSP Z 8701E" published in 2008. I have this document on my computer, so I can email it to you if needed. "DSP Z 8701E" is the most recent and most official as it comes from the Ministry of Defense. As foe what I use for Pantone shades, I use http://www.pantone.com/pages/pantone/colorfinder.aspx because it comes directly from Pantone itself and easier for people to see than Illustrator or Corel. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:02, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

RevDel

Can we have a revdel on the previous 10 versions of File:Flag_of_Adygea.svg by Михаил Марчук? Fry1989 ^eh? 00:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll work on it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 00:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, just saw alot of unnecessary repetitive revisions. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Two Questions

1. What is the reason for that [4]? There can be commercial and non-commercial government publications...
2. Do you have access to old volumes of the Flag Bulletin?

--Antemister (talk) 11:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

After speaking to other administrators, the PD-Noncommercial for the Philippines will have to be discussed further, but have no issues with that claim.

I have to see what I have in the terms of Flag Bulletin at my home; the only one I have is Tunisia. I think Google Books has old copies of it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Where is the discussion about that? Perhaps it can help with problem we have abou the licences of flags an d arms.

I am interested in the better graphics of Flags of Tuva, there was an article in one of the Flag Bulletin in 1983.

--Antemister (talk) 15:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:Olongapo_city_hall_01.jpg User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Sri Lanka Flag

When ever I click 2000px at the Sri Lanka flag, the picture dosen't show up --174.117.253.250 20:49, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Should be working now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Water turbine hr.svg

This file have a "little" problem: black rectangle over the text on the right. Can you suggest solution, I'm out of it?--MaGa 08:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I've just tried with importing a file in Corel, but results are visible in two reverts, although was everything fine in Corel, even in Inkscape, after exporting from Corel to svg. Maybe is something wrong with Wiki? Two reverted pictures from Corel are OK when displayed in "full screen" [5]. Your last revert is not ok. The colours in bottom of picture are missing.--MaGa 18:04, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

It's ok now, thank you for your time!--MaGa 18:26, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Western Province PNG.svg

Odd, when you go to the file history, or view the file in any category it's set in, you see the old Victorian red ensign. Any clue what's going on here?? Fry1989 ^eh? 22:27, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, now it's back to normal. IDK what just happened, I guess a fluke. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't have that issue on my end. Maybe a caching issue? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 22:29, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Probably. I was going through the category "Southern Cross flags", and saw the old Victorian red ensign, but it was scrunched, so I clicked on it, and it was the Western Province flag. It rendered normally on all projects, just the file history thumbnail was showing the wrong flag. Fixed itself right after I messaged you. Anyhow, weird. Thanks anyways. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:35, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Japanese logos

Hi, Zscout370. About this your edit. I know your argument and you are involved administrator in this issue. Please hear opinions of other users and let leave these DRs to other administrators. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 17:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

You set them as speedy deletions, so it is not a "deletion request" in the proper sense. Plus, if you noticed, I agreed with several of the instances of your copyright claim. I honestly feel it is going to be a COM:COA situation where the design is PD but the representation is not (and a lot of the images by Mti were just taken from online sources and claimed as an own work). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:56, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Greenpeace images

I put up Greenpeace1.jpg and Greenpeace2.jpg. You have seen fit to remove them, I am led to understand. Are you a friend of this poco person? I checked with Greenpeace, and they said it was OK. They said they will also write to Wikpedia. I do not know what you have against Greenpeace or me, but imagine you quite like Shell. Am I correct? Wallie (talk) 19:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Politics aside; the Commons is different from Wikipedia. The images we have on here must be more than educational purposes; we must have images that can be used anywhere, by anyone for any purpose. The terms provided by Greenpeace does not allow that, so we cannot host their images. Unless they change their copyright page to allow for more than just educational use, then we cannot use it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Canadacoatofarms.png

Your input on the above DR would be greatly appreciated. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Kazakhstan

Now that our Commons ile has gone back to normal, do you inted to delete your upload to Wikipedia English? Fry1989 ^eh? 06:05, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Once the bug is fixed. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 06:06, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your sense

Along with the restored Tagora file, user Kobac also deleted the following doubtful problematics:

File:Talbot Tagora DT.jpg
File:Toyota Camry Solara 2nd gen.jpg
File:Talbot Tagora 2.2 interior.jpg

I imagine that these are also OK? Best regards, while I am afraid I am not done with you yet, Mr.choppers (talk) 06:40, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I believe so, but give me about 48 hours. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:27, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Disappointed

I am very disappointed about your requests quick closure of my undeletion request. Mostly because I cannot understand it. Dutch Eurocoins are produced under the responsibility of the Dutch Ministry of Finance - i.e. the Dutch Government, not the Dutch National Bank. (See here). Now the Dutch government states here, that for publication of the national side of a Euro coin, the designer is to be contacted (through Stichting Pictoright). I.e. the designer is copyright holder. The government itself publishes an annotated image under cc-zero. Why is it, that we cannot rely on the government having the consent of the designer to do so?? Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 15:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Because the Euro coins, specifically for the Netherlands, has been contacted about in the past and they are not under a license we can use at the Commons. I try and clear out requests because there has been days that I would go away for maybe 2 hours and the page balloons. Even if the page says CC-Zero, we have to look at the license of that image (inversely, there are times we still take a public domain image from a site that claims all sorts of rights). It is about the work, not about the source where it comes from. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:31, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

That is, you don't trust the source to have taken care of the copyright issues, which I in general can understand quite well. In this case however, the source is the Netherlands national government, who also commissioned the design of this coin. It feels almost insulting towards the government to doubt about having the right to publish this picture under this license, which allows reuse under that same license. Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 06:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Editing other users comments

Zscount370: please avoid editing other users comments such as mine at [6]. This especially when the discussion is about problematic administrative actions you participated in. --  Docu  at 04:02, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Generally for undeletion requests, that is the norm to combine more than one similar request together. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag President of Portugal.svg

Thanks for doing the merge, but the deleted version, while gone, is still showing up in galleries, and it'spage still exists. I was able to repleace all but two of the uses that Commons Delinker couldn't. Can you complete the process please? Fry1989 ^eh? 00:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Done User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

French other rank insignia

Army-FRA-OF-05.svg

Army-FRA-OF-05 (alt).svg

• w:Template:Ranks and Insignia of NATO Armies/OR/France

I want to rotate the insignia from OR-09 to OR-02. Above template lists the individual files. On the right is one you can see the finished product done for OF-05 rank. The reason for the rotation is for compatibility with w:Template:Ranks and insignia of NATO/Generic/Army, the new version of the template series. -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 19:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Return!

Recover deleted files ribbon Yugoslav orders. I corrected the reference to the license. However, not understanding, you have deleted files. Return! --Kei (talk) 02:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

They are copyright violations, so no. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

In accordance with the copyright license does not apply to the image of orders, decorations and characters. Moreover, it can not be sure that your preferred site is the author of these images. --Kei (talk) 03:33, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

These images have been online for years before your upload (I seen them in 2004 and such). As for the license, the concept is in the public domain but each rendition has their own copyright. So that means you will need to redraw each ribbon as your own work. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

If you seen the recent batch of FR Yugoslavia ribbons I did, I managed to take the public domain SVG arms of the state and color it to look like metal and placed it on a ribbon. Took some time to do it, but it is that simple to still have the ribbons but not to just randomly take stuff from the internet. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Request for comment

(Just to set the stage: I'm not complaining or disagreeing - I'm just looking for understanding. OK?)
Hi! I'm interested by the situation with the unimaginatively, and ambiguously, named file File:Brigjen.gif. (Actually, to be more precise/concise, I'm interested with/by the general situation of insignia reproduction.) http://www.uniforminsignia.org have/has produced many renditions of images of things for which they do NOT own the copyright. However, they are claiming copyright of the images they have produced. Although that seems logical, I wonder. For example, if I took a photo of something, I'd be the owner of the copyright of the photo. But what if the thing I took a photo of was copyright? I see these as analogous situations. What am I missing? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:19, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

e.g. Logical conclusion: If I took a photo of their rendition, then I'd be the owner of the copyright of the photo I took.

But then, there's the issue of "derivative work".

Can you clarify the situation please? (Or point me somewhere or to someone who can?) Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

You are not missing anything. For this kind of image, lets say the underlying work is actually public domain, each rendition will have their own copyright. This is where policies such as COM:COA come into play. If you can also read the section above, it deals with the same exact issue. We need to draw our own stuff and not lie about where images are coming from, even if the main concept can be public domain. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 16:49, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Unblock request of Gaetano56

Hi Zscout370. As you were the admin who blocked Gaetano56, please take a look at this unblock request. I'm inclined to decline it (judged by his history of uploading unfree files), but I would like to hear your opinion. Kind regards, Trijnstel_talk 11:18, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I noticed he had an upload log going back to 2008, but still many images even if he "forgot the license" were taken from other places. It is your call. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:40, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I've denied his request. Trijnstel_talk 23:09, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Arms of Brunei

I assume you've been to busy recently, but when to you intend to finish the file? Fry1989 ^eh? 22:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I cannot really put a timetable on it, but it is on my to-do list. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

File:Jack Mitchell.jpg

Re: your note - is the permission necessary, preferable, or optional? Because it appears the Creative Commons Public Domain license has been sufficient for the past year that the image has been up without incident. In fact, it was already up even before I got the tickets for all the other images and no one, admin or otherwise, suggested there was a problem at that time either. So can you please point me to the applicable policy, because I'd like to review it? Regards, X4n6 (talk) 18:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, there are a lot of images that are uploaded per day and sometimes myself (or other admins) are not able to check out images sometimes months after their upload. There is no specific policy when it comes to dealing with image permission, but http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Permission is what people will use. I think what happened with that image is was uploaded under a different user name and the username claims to be the photographer's company, which is the main reason why permission is being sought. However, I have the image on my watch list so if it does happen to be removed, I am able to restore it once permission is obtained. The main thing I did ask Mr. Mitchell is if the upload was authorized/done by him and if the license is correct. Once that is confirmed, I will mark it like the other images you sent to us in April of 2011. On a side note, there was another image you and a user were fighting over when it comes to permission tags File:Douglas Tait Land Of The Lost 09.JPG. Unfortunately, the uploader did not tell the truth about the file and I found it to be a copyrighted press photo, so I had it removed for that reason. The Flickr and IMDB page he linked did not exist, but I found another page on IMDB that said it was a copyrighted Wire Images photo. Unfortunately people will try and put images they do not own on Flickr and put it under a free license to get it past our filters and that is hard to figure out at times, but it happens a lot. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:23, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the link and the explanation. So if I understand, an OTRS would be useful, but it's not required because the license is correct? The photographer and his company have already been ex tremely generous with WC/WP, as you are aware. It would reasonably follow then that he intended his self-image to be used as well, otherwise why even upload and post it. So to tag that photo really seems unnecessary. It's kind of like biting the hand, isn't it? But once you hear back from the photographer, if you do, I assume he'll make his intentions for its use clear and perhaps you can assist him in getting this resolved. As for the Tait photo that you say was copyrighted, I didn't see if you indicated you had contacted the uploader for clarification or possible resubmission with a different source or license. Could you please contact the uploader directly, not just on their talk page? Also, can you please clarify for me? Are you saying the photo is unusable at all or just with it's present sourcing? Thanks again. X4n6 (talk) 20:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, the problem is that we just cannot assume. There are plenty of times on OTRS where only certain files from a website are allowed, but people use it as a full-license to use images that are not covered. In this case, this is what I feel what happened is where the photographer allowed part of their work to be used, but not all. I also believe that since the uploader name was different and just not 100 percent sure, an OTRS would be useful to make sure everyone is in the know. As for the second photo, it is currently unusable at all. The uploader, who has the same flickr name, did not provide much information about the photo except a claim of authorship and also two sources. The problem is that both sources does not exist, so we have to treat it as a dubious claim. The photo I found was at http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3299705088/nm1408752 for it being a wire photo and thus copyrighted. I also checked the photos that remain on the Flickr page and all of them are not his work at all. A lot of them are of him getting done up for a shot in Star Trek but I also found some red carpet photos where authorship is not determined. There was a similar image uploaded called File:Land.JPG and in that file description, it says "This is a photo of Douglas Tait from The red carpet of The Land Of The Lost Premiere. It was taken by my wife Isabel Cueva, and is not copyrighted. I own the image. It was published on Facebook in July of 2009. I own the photo so I am free to publish it on this page." Prepare for your mind to be blown; Mrs. Cueva is the wife of Tait and if this claim is right, User:Trekkeman is claiming to be Mr. Tait himself. Yet, I find a problem. The movie came out in June of 2009, the picture was supposedly put on Facebook in July of 2009 yet this photo (and even a large size) was put on Facebook on in October 2009. So what we really had was a crop of a bigger photo and the person who uploaded the photo is not only claiming to be Mr. Tait but every other photo I have on the Flickr page is not by him at all. Also, the person is claiming Mr. Tait's wife took the photo, but I believe it was in a case of "Hey, take a photo of me" so it is a work for hire. Yet, when it comes to work for hire/asking someone to take a photo of you, there are guidelines I seen where you also have to ask the photographer. So we might have to ask Mrs. Cueva for permission. Plus, regardless, the image descriptions for both do say public domain, so we have to confirm that this is indeed Mr. Tait, make sure we get the largest photo possible and confirm the license. I know this is a lot to digest, but it is very easy to restore images so once this is sorted out, I can deal with that. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I appreciate how much effort you put into your response. As well as all your research. Let me see if I can offer something that makes sense. Again, it doesn't seem logical that the photographer or his company would, not only go to the trouble of uploading and posting his self-portrait, but also filing out a public domain license for it if they didn't intend it to be used. That makes no sense. I do appreciate your concerns about an abundance of caution, but you really have 3 separate actions as I've described, that suggest their intent. But not to belabor the point, I understand you have contacted the photographer. Thanks. That's about all we can do, is let the author weigh in. On the Tait photo, I actually take the same position. I requested that you try to contact the uploader directly to let them weigh in, but you haven't indicated if you did. I also found something else very interesting about that event. You indicated that you found somewhere that Tait himself had explained it was his image and not from WireImage? That would seem to jive with the list of photos that WireImage took from that event, and that photo is not among them. As for finding the image on IMDB, WP's policy has always been that IMDB is not reliable, so logically their copyright attributions should be viewed with equal skepticism. I don't know if the uploader is also the subject, but again, if you attempt to contact the uploader directly, we may get to the bottom of this. But in the interim, I don't think we can reasonably say the photo is unusable, simply because as you said, we just don't know all the facts yet. Thanks. X4n6 (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Arms of Kazakhstan

I would appreciate your vote at this discussion. Thank you. Fry1989 ^eh? 02:48, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

OSTR?

Hi Scout can you point me in the right direction regarding an “Open-source Ticket Request “, I've gotten permission to use an Image (flickr) but I'm not sure of the procedure, any help would be greatly appreciated Thanx Jetijones (talk) 05:06, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

You can read COM:OTRS but since it is a Flickr image, have them change the license on the Flickr image page itself and that will be good for our purposes. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok Thanx Jetijones (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Flag deletion discussion

Hi there. This is just to notify you that File:Austr.Aborig.png has been nominated for deletion. As you were involved in an earlier deletion discussion over the same design, I would appreciate your insight on the same concerns. The discussion is at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Austr.Aborig.png. Osiris (temp) (talk) 04:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Fair use policy

Just some questions about the fair use policy: please reply on my talk page. Thanks - M0rphzone (talk) 03:03, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Replied at that link. There is an automated process, but I have not personally used it so I am not sure how it works or how effective it is. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 13:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

On my talk page: How about creating a automated process similar to the Move to Commons procedure that doesn't require specific requests to the bot owner for a move? - M0rphzone (talk) 20:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I am horrible at setting up automated processes, so I will not be able to complete your request. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

File:MNLA flag.svg

See at bottom of File_talk:Flag of the United States.svg for reasons why a viewBox might not be "redundant" for SVG files to be used as general clip-art files outside of the particular SVG-to-PNG conversion software used on this site... AnonMoos (talk) 23:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I did not see that. I just found it strange that something that was 300x600 had a viewbox with the same deal. I always tend to forget that MediaWiki works in very strange ways. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 01:11, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thanks a lot! My files are restored. "Wawa" will feel happy if she is shown at the Wikipedia. I will tell her in the future. 竹筍弟弟 (talk) 09:52, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Belarus 2012.svg

Looks like Belarus has updated it's flag design. I guess this means we should upload this new style of the ornament on File:Flag of Belarus.svg and upload the current version as Flag of Belarus 1995-2012 ? Fry1989 ^eh? 22:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The full link to the STB 911-2008 is at http://www.tnpa.by/ViewFileText.php?UrlRid=52178&UrlOnd=%D1%D2%C1%20911-2008 and, once I get back from dinner, I will update it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Rightio, enjoy your meal ;) Fry1989 ^eh? 00:33, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I tried to upload and.... User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 00:35, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Unexpected non-MediaWiki exception encountered, of type "SyntaxException"
exception 'SyntaxException' with message 'Object name not set.' in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/extensions/SwiftCloudFiles/php-cloudfiles-1.7.10/cloudfiles.php:1767
Stack trace:
#0 /usr/local/apache/common-local/wmf-config/swift.php(48): CF_Container->delete_object('')
#1 [internal function]: wmfPurgeBackendThumbCache(Object(LocalFile), false)
#2 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/Hooks.php(216): call_user_func_array('wmfPurgeBackend...', Array)
#3 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/GlobalFunctions.php(3823): Hooks::run('LocalFilePurgeT...', Array)
#4 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php(732): wfRunHooks('LocalFilePurgeT...', Array)
#5 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php(972): LocalFile->purgeThumbnails()
#6 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php(914): LocalFile->recordUpload2('20120410003419!...', 'Updated flag ht...', false, Array, false, Object(User))
#7 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/upload/UploadBase.php(573): LocalFile->upload('/tmp/phpb0HOKQ', 'Updated flag ht...', false, 1, Array, false, Object(User))
#8 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php(439): UploadBase->performUpload('Updated flag ht...', false, true, Object(User))
#9 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php(174): SpecialUpload->processUpload()
#10 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/SpecialPageFactory.php(476): SpecialUpload->execute(NULL)
#11 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/Wiki.php(263): SpecialPageFactory::executePath(Object(Title), Object(RequestContext))
#12 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/Wiki.php(593): MediaWiki->performRequest()
#13 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/Wiki.php(503): MediaWiki->main()
#14 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/index.php(58): MediaWiki->run()
#15 /usr/local/apache/common-local/live-1.5/index.php(3): require('/usr/local/apac...')
#16 {main}

#0 /usr/local/apache/common-local/wmf-config/swift.php(48): CF_Container->delete_object('')
#1 [internal function]: wmfPurgeBackendThumbCache(Object(LocalFile), false)
#2 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/Hooks.php(216): call_user_func_array('wmfPurgeBackend...', Array)
#3 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/GlobalFunctions.php(3823): Hooks::run('LocalFilePurgeT...', Array)
#4 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php(732): wfRunHooks('LocalFilePurgeT...', Array)
#5 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php(972): LocalFile->purgeThumbnails()
#6 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/filerepo/file/LocalFile.php(914): LocalFile->recordUpload2('20120410003419!...', 'Updated flag ht...', false, Array, false, Object(User))
#7 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/upload/UploadBase.php(573): LocalFile->upload('/tmp/phpb0HOKQ', 'Updated flag ht...', false, 1, Array, false, Object(User))
#8 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php(439): UploadBase->performUpload('Updated flag ht...', false, true, Object(User))
#9 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/specials/SpecialUpload.php(174): SpecialUpload->processUpload()
#10 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/SpecialPageFactory.php(476): SpecialUpload->execute(NULL)
#11 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/Wiki.php(263): SpecialPageFactory::executePath(Object(Title), Object(RequestContext))
#12 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/Wiki.php(593): MediaWiki->performRequest()
#13 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/includes/Wiki.php(503): MediaWiki->main()
#14 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.19/index.php(58): MediaWiki->run()
#15 /usr/local/apache/common-local/live-1.5/index.php(3): require('/usr/local/apac...')
#16 {main}

WHOAH what happened?? Fry1989 ^eh? 02:21, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

That's my question. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 02:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess it'll have to be done the hard way. Damn Fry1989 ^eh? 02:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I tried a hismerge...and I thought that chunk of text was my only problem...it made it worse...this is the second problem I had with flags after update MW 1.9. I am starting to get pissed off now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I'd be pissed too. If I had the skills, I could do the ornament properly, but I'm not that good. Fry1989 ^eh? 04:03, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

My problem is that I cannot upload the file, I cannot move the file and I cannot restore deleted edits at Flag of Belarus.svg. There is something wrong that I am trying to sort out using bugzilla. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 04:12, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I see the servers are messing up again, not wanting to display your changes to Flag of Belarus.svg. I hate when that happens, but it seems too every couple months. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

That is minor compared to what I was facing 24 hours ago! User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:21, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I can imagine. But looks like you're getting a handle on it. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I was speaking with a Russian user and he is trying to correct the ornament pattern so tries to match the standard (but it is hard to tell where things begin or end). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

File that needs to be deleted

Per this DR, and this AN/U, can you please delete this file. There is absolutely no proof it's right, everything shows it's wrong. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I suggest to take Odder's advice and hammer a solution out. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:44, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

That's not possible because Jetijones tried to bypass any attempt as working it out on Commons by uploading it to Wiki-En. In any case, he has never been able to provide any proof for his side, everything shows he's wrong, and the file here on Commons isn't even in use. There's no reason for it to stay. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Lord's Resistance Army.svg

File:Flag of Lord's Resistance Army.svg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

bobrayner (talk) 15:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Svalbard.png

Please see: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Svalbard.png You closed the debated and wrote "deleted" as your comment but did not delete the file. Can you please delete the file?Inge (talk) 10:11, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Deleted. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:10, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Burgee of the New York Yacht Club.svg

Thanks for recreating the image. Just a small nitpick—is it possible you could tweak the blue to be a little darker? See http://www.nyyc.org/ for comparison. Mojoworker (talk)

Done. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Aerolineas Argentinas bird

Could you possibly weigh in on this DR? They're really close, but not identical so I'm not sure. Fry1989 ^eh? 01:30, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Archived?

I thought the discussion on the Vertical texas flag was still open until you reviewed your documents, and if it was over it doesn't appear in your 6th archive. --Thegunkid (talk) 03:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

It isn't, but had to clear the talk page. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:18, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Florida Public Domain Image Deletion

Apparently you think you are a clever fellow, by pretending to "Archive" my previous message, when you actually deleted it. My complaint stands for the record, you inappropriately deleted an image, without any discussion. You were arrogant, as well as careless. You deleted this image on 10 Feb 2012 (Date stamped on the image) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LPGA_Logos.jpg However, the same image was linked directly on a Wikipedia page, which you failed to delink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPGA_International The infobox showed only a redlink, until I noticed it and replaced it with a different image on 6 May 2012 (also date stamped). How many other images have you deleted without any notice? Your deletion privileges should be withheld until an investigation is conducted. Gamweb (talk) 14:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

It had a wrong license, a discussion was not needed. As for the delinking, that is something we don't do. We delete a lot of images and we cannot delink every usage on every project. We had processes that take care of that automatically. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:58, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Official source colours

Can you please explain to these people that when we have official source colours, we have to do it here. There's many examples where we have had to do it, like Mauritius and Serbia, and they're mocking me like I'm making it up. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I explained it to them before on various occasions on and off Commons and this is a position they are going to hold for a long time. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Official source colours

Can you please explain to these people that when we have official source colours, we have to do it here. There's many examples where we have had to do it, like Mauritius and Serbia, and they're mocking me like I'm making it up. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I explained it to them before on various occasions on and off Commons and this is a position they are going to hold for a long time. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 23:54, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Licensing a Pic

Then will you pretty please explain to me what I have to do to get a picture on here? I follow all the guidelines and s.o.b still gets deleted lol It was on flickr, author said it's free to use, all except commercial use, wikipedia isn't commercial use, so where am i going wrong? :( Xpinkxcasualtyx (talk) 02:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

All images must be allowed for commercial reuse. You need to ask the person on Flickr to allow commercial reuse or we cannot have it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 03:07, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of Burundi.svg

I don't suppose you would know why the file isn't showing up in it's categories? (the most important one being Category:Coats of arms of Burundi) Fry1989 ^eh? 05:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

There was a unclosed no-wiki tag; I moved all of the file history to the talk page and it now shows up in the categories. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 05:15, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I couldn't figure it out. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Svyaschennaya Voyna vocal.ogg

File:Svyaschennaya Voyna vocal.ogg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you!

russavia (talk) 10:58, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Wiki cleanup

If possible, please document effort on m:Global sysops/Wiki cleanup to establish a log of such cleanups. Thanks! -- とある白い猫 ^ちぃ？ 11:00, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I fixed up lo.wiki last night. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Flag of South Vietnam

Again it seems that something went wrong with that flag... I not able to do more with SVGs than changing colors. Usually, the files I edit are correct afterwards, but here it seems that something is wrong with the code. Can you fix that and change the colors to da251dff and ffff00ff, respectively, as it is so for any vietnamese flag?--Antemister (talk) 19:54, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I can do that. What happened is you do not replace the old colors with the new colors in the SVG code. What do you use to edit the SVG images, if you can tell me? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Inkscape, of course, and, I know the problems that happens with SVGs here.--Antemister (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I think with this flag is a lot of things were made as a stroke, not as a fill, so you put in a fill and also a stroke. But I went ahead and fixed the images. As for me, I would use Inkscape, Corel and Notepad. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

What are your abilities in vector graphics? Some minor work on old tuvan flags has to be done, did not find some who wanted to do that yet.--Antemister (talk) 20:45, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Let me know the images and what needs to be done. I remember doing work on an old Tuvan flag earlier this year. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 20:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, those are several more or less simple ones: A talented german graphist [7] created a working file de:Datei:Wappen Tuwa.svg, but did not complete the flags:

• is simple: Take File:Flag of Tannu Tuva (1921-1926).svg and replace the emblem by de:Datei:Wappen Tuwa.svg, but change the colors according to File:Coat of arms of Tuvinian People's Republic.gif
• is more difficult: The wheat should be changed according to [8], maybe you can use parts of File:Coat of arms of Laos.svg the text can be found here
• is easy, see File:Flag of Tannu Tuva (1930 to 1933).png. The PNG file is not really complete, as it lacks [9] the motto, I will add the text here.
• And the later ones are really difficult [10]...

--Antemister (talk) 21:31, 17 May 2012 (UTC) OK, here's the text: Pygy telegejniņ proletarlarь polgaş tarlatkan arattarь kattьƶьņar! or capitalized: PYGY TELEGEJNIŅ PROLETARLARЬ POLGAŞ TARLATKAN ARATTARЬ KATTЬƵЬŅAR! --Antemister (talk) 20:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag-map of Russia.svg

I hate asking this, but can you please revert and protect this file. I explained multiple times to the user on his talk page that the map has been the way it is for 15 months, and also pointed out another map with the colours he thinks it should be. There are to maps (actually many more than 2), there's no need for this. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:34, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The colors of the Russian flag has always been a hard thing to decide, but you are correct. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 00:36, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't even think its about the colours. I think the user is simply taking it personal that I reported him for removing an open DR tag (I warned him 3 times that he can't do that), and is taking it out on another file I'm involved with. It's unbelievable rediculous that this user thinks he can tell me to go get consensus for something that's been that way for 15 months when there are multiple other maps to choose from. Fry1989 ^eh? 00:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Well sir, I don't know to tell you the truth. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 00:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag_of_Jordan.svg

Hello

Nice to see you checking my uploaded code for several flags; but I wonder what (and why) you did at this case. It is all about this small white star of the flag of Jordan. 1) (Now) its x-position seems perfectly okay (at least it matches mine). :) 2) The y-position seems to have still this wrong y-offset (I guess only about 0,1% too low). 3) The size of the star is still (again!) a bit too large -- I could measure a precise value, but I think it is in the magnitude of 0.1% - 0.2%.

I checked it by viewing at 9600x2400 pixel flag size and overlaying both stars-objects to be sure that this is not an artifically rendering effect. Thus the data for the star-path of the current flag of Jordan seems to be wrong, IMHO. Here is how I generated my data:

1. include <stdio.h>
2. include <math.h>

main() {

  unsigned  i, n=7;
  double  a= 2*M_PI/n, r=3.0/7.0, phi= -M_PI/2; // -M_PI/2-atan(0.5);
  double rho= r*sin(M_PI/8/(M_PI/8+M_PI/7));
  printf("<path d=\"");
  for (i=0;i<n;i++)
  {  double  x, y;
     x= r*cos(i*a+phi);
     y= r*sin(i*a+phi);
     printf("%c %.6lf,%.6lf ",(i?'L':'M'),x,y);
     x= rho*cos(i*a+phi+a/2);
     y= rho*sin(i*a+phi+a/2);
     printf("%c %.6lf,%.6lf ",(1?'L':'M'),x,y);
  }
  printf("z\"  fill=\n");

} Achim1999 (talk) 08:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the star size is we don't know how big it is really supposed to be. We know the diameter is 1/14th, but I think it was my software that was going nuts (I use Corel and Inkscape to draw my images). I am going to check again, but you can see http://flagspot.net/flags/jo%27.html and the confusion we have over the star. However, there is a document called "JS 1010: 2003 Textiles- Jordanian flag fabric" that can be obtained that we could use in the future. (I used a similar document for Vietnam; Turkey we already have the flag with the white stripe at the hoist). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 08:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your fast response. But I don't really understand your statement: "The problem with the star size is we don't know how big it is really supposed to be. We know the diameter is 1/14th, ..." Is this not a contradiction? Or do you mean its precise shape? ;)

I just finished the Flag of Cuba checking. If we agree that the diameter of the star is 3/10 (not 1/3) of the flag's height, then I noticed only 1 small error. The width of the red triangle (in absolute current flag coordinates) is given as 346.406246, but correct is 346.4101615.... . I wonder how such an error can creap in and whether this tiny error is worth of a new upload of the flag?

Achim1999 (talk) 08:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I just noticed my error. I used the wrong formula -- better I made a copy-error. :-(

double rho= r*sin(M_PI/8)/sin(M_PI/8+M_PI/7);

is correct. I stumpled about it when adopting the code for Naru's 12-pointed star .... ~

I just corrected it and ... only the star's shape is effected! :-/ Neither its position nor its radius resp. size. This is trivial if one think firstly and then write down later, here. ;-) The inner-circle-radius is now a bit larger, which means the tops are a bit less sharp as priviously. Achim1999 (talk) 11:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

The inside of the star is what I am not sure about. I think the Jordan flag I have is made in the US and it shows a thicker star. As for the red triangle, it is supposed to be half of the width of the flag (so 600x600). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The top-angle (or the inner-circle) of the 7-pointed star is the only dubious. And because offically different variants are used, it seems that this is left open to interpretations.There are no problems with the red triangle, IMHO. Achim1999 (talk) 09:11, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag_of_Azerbaijan.svg

Hi, again Are you the constructor of the current shape of this flag? I first thought someone is pulling my leg. :-) The white crescent inside is shifted by 11 pixels to the right and the white star by 1 pixel to the right. But the construction sheet states, that the white crescent is shifted by 10 pixel (I guess to the right for a proper shape). Have a look at a snip of the svg-code for the crescent inside this file: <circle fill="#fff" cx="581" cy="300" r="90"/> the x-position of the outer-circle is given here as 580 pixel. But I computed: 600-120+90+10 = 580. (600 is the x-center of the flag, 120 half of the virtuelly center-box-width, 90 the radius of the circle and 10 equals the offically 1/60-height correction). It looks like somehow this crescent and the star were shifted both by 1 pixel to the right mistakenly. Achim1999 (talk) 14:53, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

It took me some time to figure out that part of the flag and I can try and check it again. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:20, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

But you are right, I drew most of the flags and have most of these construction sheets. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic.svg

Hi

The biggest problem I have encountered after checked about 95 different nation flags: There seems to exist 3 different versions of this flag -- not to mention this left/right mirroring of the whole flag. The oldest flag description with a commented construction sheet at URL https://www.fotw.info/images/e/eh'.gif has a height of the middle strip of 84 pixel and the outer-radius of the crescent is there 60 pixel which means a relation of ~ 0.7143. Next your old, first file from those guys of "fotw" uploaded here. There is the middle strip again with 84 pixles height, put the radius (and star) of the symbols are scaled inside by 33.5/30 up! I don't know why they did it. So, effective we have a relation of 67/84 ~ .7976. Later this flag was scaled and code clean up occured. This resulted in a 100 pixel high middle strip and a 80 pixel diameter crescent, giving us a relation of exactly 0.8. :-( And I still wonder where the star should be placed relatively to the crescent. In the current file it is even shifted down by 1 - 2 pixel (from the horicontal center line) and also a very, very tiny bit rotated positively. :-( I think some people doesn't work properly or doing their own interpretation when construction flags. I think, firstly one should ask, where this 67/84 (or better this secret 33.5/30 scaling) comes from which was later approximated by 0.8 in wiki-commons. You can even see that the star is firstly (in the old construction) touching the inner radius of the crescent, but later no more, because it is shifted a bit away. Achim1999 (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll look at it soon. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 21:21, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

File:CaballosDePasoEnTrujillo.JPG

Hello!

Why did you restore this file? --High Contrast (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I checked http://www.flickr.com/photos/76371029@N02/7136559589/in/photostream/ and it did say CC-BY 2.0 as the license (apparently it was deleted for it being NC and/or ND). User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

It is a flickr file washing issue. The original comes from here: http://trujillodiwebnoticias.blogspot.de/2010/07/trujillo-es-sede-del-concurso-caballo.html. --High Contrast (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok, thanks for pointing that out. Redeleted. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 15:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag_of_Honduras.svg

Hi, again

I just wanted to upload a correct(ed) version, but the file is protected from replacement. I strongly wonder why wikimedia supports this obviously(!) wrong flag layout.

National Flag of Honduras

I have corrected stars positions and size (as best I could) and code reducing.

Look into decree 29, article 2 of "Creator of Order and Flag Shield United Provinces of Central America" -- and/or at the old Honduras national flags.

Rather painful that none corrected this former obviously wrong "group" of 5 stars, since years, but in contrast protected the wrong layout, IMHO. :-/

And a (I believe about present) view of the national flag [[11]].

Achim1999 (talk) 11:14, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

The file was protected because it has a lot of problems with the colors (and people just refuse to give up even after a period of time). As for the star layout, https://www.google.com/search?q=bandera%20site%3Ahn&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=S7u7T8DNPOWC2wWkmPmhCQ&biw=1024&bih=606&sei=Tbu7T5rHOKji2QWf_-zXCQ shows both close and far away stars. I do have a spec sheet for this flag, which indeed shows far away stars from http://web.archive.org/web/20110721095454/http://www.historiadehonduras.hn/SimbolosNacionales/bandera.htm, but it doesn't say where that came from. Until I really get proof for sure, I do not feel comfortable changing it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 16:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I found today in the internet a copy of the original flag description. Thus I cite you the original source above! Argh!

And there is stated (I checked even the translation from the spanish by google to english word for word) that there is a group of 5 stars place in a "significant angle" -- and it was a copy of the paper from 1846 (or 1866?) -- when this flag was adopted. This "significant angle", I interprete as it should indicate the special shape of these 5-pointed stars. But surely a "group of 5 stars" do not mean, 2 star far left and 2 others far right -- this would never be stated as a group. And I told you: check older (before internet/web age come up) official flags before you defined such cicivl variants as offically here on wikipedia. Achim1999 (talk) 16:47, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Right, but designs do (and have) changed and there is just a lot I do not know about this flag to make any sort of change right now. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:03, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Singapore.svg

Hi

Here is the next problem. It seems you are easily to be tricked to change flag layouts. :-( Look at this snapshot and its description [| Official flag ceremony from March 2009]. Look in specially at the lower end of the crescent and it relative position to the lower left star! The old (first description on wikipedia -- as the construction sheet on [[12]]) seems a much better match then the current which wrong radii of circles. :-(. I just have ready the new one and will try to upload it next -- hopefully it is not again protected. Achim1999 (talk)

I been trying to get a construction diagram from the government for years; the above is just based on a drawing and not on official legislation (and our guesses are about as good as the next persons). I do have books and flags from this area, so I can check those again, but honestly this should not be changed because, just like with Honduras, we just don't know. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:10, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I also checked the file page and Singapore is also protected. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, we KNOW its current version is WRONG! And we -- better the administrators of wikimedia-commons --- effectively defend this wrong layout. I uploaded it as

File:National Flag of Singapore.svg

File:National Flag of Singapore.svg

and you can move it to the correct place next. I will no longer bother you if I see that you (generally wikimedia-commons admins) like to publish wrong flag layouts and on the other hand I have invested hours(!) in setting up a single flag layout including giving very good offical reference -- or are you paid/favored to hold as long as possible some wrong flags?! :-( Achim1999 (talk)Achim1999 (talk) 17:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

It is not the fact that you are contacting me is troublesome; I always like people to contact me if they have an issue with a flag's accuracy. You help me, and in turn, I can help others. But what I am saying is for some flags, we just don't know anything to make an assumption if this layout is correct or not. With Honduras, I seen both close and far stars and I cannot find anything definite to say yes or no. I will need time, since I am also looking for work, to see what is going on. Singapore is the same issue. There are official specifications for the Red Ensign which is supposed to copy the national flag. The crescent is not thin, as you have drawn it. From the NHB, their keeper of the symbols, has a crescent about the same size as I drew it. I have seen drawings of the thinner crescent used and some actual flags use it, such as the presidential ensign. However, I do not know if this is legislation or what the maker came up with. There are just a lot of unknowns right now too, and believe me, I been trying to solve this issue for years (and I have spoken to the NHB for eons about this, I think at least 8 years). I just cannot change it because I have no proof of to which is right. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 17:59, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

To keep it short: 1) HERE we are talking ONLY about the National Flag of Singapure.

I give you a pointer to an actual snapshot. You told me you have a different sheet, which is the correct one! So I must conclude, either this snapshot of the ceremony is a fake, or the whole ceremoney is hold with a wrong flag. :-( Sorry, with this attitude your sheets are of no worth. Achim1999 (talk) 19:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm confused. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 19:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)