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Are you ... ?
Are you Tozanka? "トトト" = "トが3つ" = "トが3か" = "ト3か" = "Tozanka"
- These messages were written by, repectively, Contributions/221.112.41.74 and Contributions/114.48.133.219. Who are you people? Stop defaming other users.--トトト (talk) 07:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- Deleted the messages.-トトト (talk) 14:59, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi トトト. Is the author of this file really Jorge? This photo is from the flickr, photo by elmimmo. Guy, you are stealing! And even worser: the elmimmo releases tons of images under free licenses, so you are stealing from someone who is willings to donate his work for free. Thats shameful. --Imifu (talk) 13:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not stealing the file. I used FlinfoTool to upload the file and the result was what you have just shown. Pleas check that the link was correctly set to elmimmo's page at that time (and now, of course). Possibly he was putting "Jorge" at his profile page, and FlinfoTool just reflected it. Anyway, I was notified of it by a user in ja.wiki so I have already updated the file information (1). Sincerely,--トトト (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi トトト. Is the author of this file really Jorge? This photo is from the flickr, photo by elmimmo. Why? Why? Why? --Imifu (talk) 10:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'll ask elmimmo if he had ever called himself "Jorge" in the past.
Please wait for a few days.--トトト (talk) 13:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)- Just simply put the number "2449865680", for example, into the FlinfoTool and see what it shows. As of 17:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC), it showed
- *|Author=[http://www.flickr.com/people/22032474@N00 Jorge] from Tokyo, Japan
- which means that "Jorge" is on his profile page
(whether it is his real name or not), and the FlinfoTool refletcted it. So this is the proof that I did't falsify the author information. - By the way, Imifu, I saw your history of activities and found that you haven't uploaded a single file, and also that you were warned by a sysop of your vandalism in the past. Why don't you think of contributing to this community, instead of blaming and finding faults with other users? Are you not ashamed of your acts? You should live more positively. Regards, --トトト (talk) 17:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
- I've received an answer from Mr. Jorge Hernández Valiñani ( = elmimmo) that his name is on the mata data of the photograph. Mr. Valiñani says it is ideal to credit his photos with his full name, so I will update them on his request.--トトト (talk) 17:29, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
- Just simply put the number "2449865680", for example, into the FlinfoTool and see what it shows. As of 17:40, 27 February 2010 (UTC), it showed
Flickr source fix request
Hello トトト, would you mind fixing the source link for File:Sumo -Osaka 2010 03 23 c.jpg? Thanks! ZooFari 22:43, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
- Done. I must have mistakenly copy-pasted the source of the previous image. I'm sorry, and thank you.--トトト (talk) 23:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Heiden (Shinto)
Hi. You deleted the Heiden (Shinto) category, even though there was an article that was using it. the deletion was reverted. May I ask why it's a bad name? Urashimataro (talk) 08:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hello, I'm terribly sorry. I thought it was a mistaken pronunciation of "Haiden" (拝殿), which turned out to be my mistake. Please accept my apology.--トトト (talk) 09:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- No big deal. Thanks for the prompt reply and counteraction. Urashimataro (talk) 10:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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こんにちは。トトトさんがアップロードされているFile:Akano sta 03.jpgとFile:Nishibun sta 02.jpgですが、土佐くろしお鉄道阿佐線各駅のキャラクターについてはごめん・なはり線や高知県のサイトなどで「(C) やなせたかし」と記載があり、やなせ氏に著作権があることが明記されています。コモンズでは、著作権のある日本の屋外美術を撮影した写真は建築物を除いて受け入れが認められていません (Commons:Freedom of panorama#Japan)。このため、上記の画像について、他の同種画像とあわせて削除依頼を提出させていただきました。ご意見や反論などありましたら、上記の依頼ページまでお寄せいただけますようお願いします。
なお、ウィキペディア日本語版は画像利用の方針がコモンズと異なるため、Wikipedia:屋外美術を被写体とする写真の利用方針に定められている画像サイズの制限や著作権表示などを遵守すれば、上記のような画像でも削除対象とはなりません。その場合英語版など他のプロジェクトでは利用ができませんが、日本語版のみでの利用でも構わないということであれば、ぜひそちらへのアップロードをご検討ください。Yasu (talk) 14:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
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Tokyō
You removed the category "Tokyō" I had added to the image 20100723 Miyajima Goju-no-to Pagoda 4839.jpg. I added it back because the brackets called tokyō are visible and I need that file for Wikipedia. This is the second time you wrongly remove categories I add. Please be careful.--Urashimataro (talk) 13:27, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
- Apology for my hasty action. I will be more careful. However, isn't "Tokyō" confusing with the more popular word "Tōkyō" or "Tokyo"? One would never hear "斗栱" in natural conversations so I assume it is nearly impossible for any Japanese speakers to imagine the word from the alphabetical transcription. I think "Category:斗栱" or "Category:Tokyō (Japanese architecture)" is the more preferable name.--トトト (talk) 00:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, I thought the single macron made it clear it wasn't the capital we were talking about. Maybe I should use "kumimono" (組物), which means the same. BTW, if you find decent photos of warizuka and minozuka, could you let me know?--Urashimataro (talk) 12:23, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- "Category:Kumimono" sounds fine and better, I think. Being wago makes it more imaginable. And I browsed through flickr for a couple of minutes and found this and this showing "warizuka". Both are licensed as CC-BY and are able to be uploaded to commons at any moment. As for "minozuka", I need some time to know the term. But I will let you know if I find any. --トトト (talk) 02:25, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
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Comment えー、私は外部の人間でして....とりあえず意味は分かりませんが、ちょっとOTRSの手続きが大変そうで。頑張ってみます。お答えになっているかどうか不安ですが。--トトト (talk) 10:51, 7 January 2012 (UTC)- －－・－－ －－・ ・－・・ ・・ ・・－・・ ・・－
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OTRSは要らないと思います。「画像については防衛省海上自衛隊以外に著作権のあるものがある場合がありますので、ご注意ください。」という以上、防衛省海上自衛隊以外に著作権があるは、注意を喚起するということです。何も提示されなければ、注意すらできませんので。問題は、「ピクルス王子」「パセリちゃん」の使用で、これらはリンク先シンボルとしての利用か個人利用にだけ許可されるということです。少なくとも、日本語をごく普通に理解できる人間にとって、これ以外の解釈は不可能です。管理人の一人でもあるUser:Zscout370も日本語が理解できるようですので、まずは、彼に相談してみることをお奨めします。市ヶ谷に問い合わせて、事情を知らない担当者が、「だめです」などと回答してきたら目も当てられませんから:)) Takabeg (talk) 13:12, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
ただ、防衛省の文言は少し厳しく、呉史料館に至っては無断で転用・引用することを禁止しています。少なくとも、陸上自衛隊、海上自衛隊は、転用・引用は自由と言っています。Takabeg (talk) 13:25, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Comment 貴重なアドヴァイス有難うございます。実は夕方問い合わせらしきものを送ってしまったのですが、要を得ない部分があったので、ライセンスの説明も含めてもう一度きちんとしたものを送らねば思っていた矢先でした。"Permission"の部分の加筆ありがとうございます。この状態でOTRSが不要かどうか、User:Zscout370氏に訊いてみることに致します。--トトト (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- どういたしまして。実は、先日、ja:飯田房太という項目を書き、日本語のチェックをMtiさんにお願いしたのですが、関心を持ってもらえなかったようです。お時間があるときに、校正などしていただけたら幸いです。また、ja:西開地重徳も開けたいのですが、情報が不足しています (例えば、正確な誕生日もわかりません)。参考にできるサイトなどありましたら、ご教示ください。Takabeg (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- ja:飯田房太の記事、ずいぶん資料に当たられたようですね。折角ここまで苦労されたものを校正と称して横槍入れるのは申し訳ないような。映画の節が翻訳調なのが少し気になりましたが、あとは文体のように高度な部分の洗練ですから、白拍子花子さんあたりにお願いしてみては。「ja:西開地重徳」は初耳なので、ほとんどお役に立てません...。--トトト (talk) 18:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- どうもです。にしかいち氏は、ja:ニイハウ島事件のヒトです。それと、海上自衛隊と陸上自衛隊のライセンス・テンプレイトを作ればいいじゃんと思ったのですが、どうでしょうか？Takabeg (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- 西開地氏、日本では忘れられている存在ですが、確かにウィキペディアの記事になってしかるべきですね。ついでのときに調べてみようと思います。海自の専用テンプレですが、もし先方から
{{attribution}}でOKという返事をもらえたら、そうしたいと考えています。現状ではこれが該当するのかはっきりしない点も確かにあるので、先方の返事待ちです。陸自は海自の出方次第ということになるかも...。--トトト (talk) 16:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- 西開地氏、日本では忘れられている存在ですが、確かにウィキペディアの記事になってしかるべきですね。ついでのときに調べてみようと思います。海自の専用テンプレですが、もし先方から
- どうもです。にしかいち氏は、ja:ニイハウ島事件のヒトです。それと、海上自衛隊と陸上自衛隊のライセンス・テンプレイトを作ればいいじゃんと思ったのですが、どうでしょうか？Takabeg (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- ja:飯田房太の記事、ずいぶん資料に当たられたようですね。折角ここまで苦労されたものを校正と称して横槍入れるのは申し訳ないような。映画の節が翻訳調なのが少し気になりましたが、あとは文体のように高度な部分の洗練ですから、白拍子花子さんあたりにお願いしてみては。「ja:西開地重徳」は初耳なので、ほとんどお役に立てません...。--トトト (talk) 18:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- どういたしまして。実は、先日、ja:飯田房太という項目を書き、日本語のチェックをMtiさんにお願いしたのですが、関心を持ってもらえなかったようです。お時間があるときに、校正などしていただけたら幸いです。また、ja:西開地重徳も開けたいのですが、情報が不足しています (例えば、正確な誕生日もわかりません)。参考にできるサイトなどありましたら、ご教示ください。Takabeg (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
どうしました？せっかくアップロードしたのにもったいないから、DRが出されるのを待ったほうがいいと思いますが。。。Takabeg (talk) 10:34, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- もうアホらしくて。待つのが面倒くさいし、どうでもいいです。--トトト (talk) 10:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
こちらを読ませていただきました。海自としては、「ホームページで自由に使ってよろしいと言ってるし、承諾を得てから使えなんて、ちぃーとも言っとらんのだし、いちいち、きいてよこすな」ということではないでしょうか。Takabeg (talk) 11:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- 仰るとおりだと思います。海自側としては最初から条件を示しているので、それ以上
{{attribution}}とかいう変なものに言質を与えたくない。それはまあ仕方ないのですが、そうするとコモンズ側の管理者がうるさい。1年ぐらいは「そうりゅう」以外放置されたとしても、いずれは重箱の隅突きをするような人間が出てくる。そのときOTRSがないので、抗弁する側としては「日本の法的文言の無理のない解釈としては・・・、反対解釈がここは妥当であるから・・・」などと言っても、多分ここでは通用しない。遅かれ早かれ（もしかしたら2～3年後？）削除の可能性大なわけで、そういうのが面倒くさいのです。現に管理者2名が駄目くさいと言っているので、時間の浪費につながる可能性が高いと思います。いま見たら、通常削除の手続に移動して下さった方がおられますが、多分無意味だと思いますよ。--トトト (talk) 13:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC) - 防衛省が比較的厳しそうなのは背広組のお役人だからだと思います。また、呉ミュージアムが何故足並みをそろえないのかはよくわかりませんが、自衛隊 (制服組)のスタンスは、合衆国のそれに近い感じです。個人的な感想ですが。。。最初の管理人は、おそらく文言の後段を読んでいなかったからOTRSが必要だと思ったのだと思います。ルールを誤解しているふしもある人ですし。二番目の管理人は、実は日本語がよくわからないのかもしれません。三番目の管理人は、コモンズ最古参兵の一人ですので、かなり信頼できると思います。それでは、なりゆきを見守りましょう。Takabeg (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I have converted your {{Speedy}} tags on all of these to a mass DR. {{Speedy}} is not appropriate when there is uncertainty about the status of an image -- it is used only for obvious cases of copyvio. Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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おひさしぶりです。例の削除依頼はまだクローズされませんねぇ。ところで、このサイトはご存知ですか？日本のものはきわめて少ないようですが。。。Takabeg (talk) 10:45, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- こんにちは。例の削除依頼の方は、まあ自分で提出しておいて何ですが、ガマン比べですね。いつまで続くか高処の見物です（^.^)。Eugenio´sというサイトは初めて知りました。数枚でも貴重ですが、サイトの運営者と写真の撮影者が別人なのがやや気にかかります。すでにコモンズ上にここから何枚かアップロードされているようですが、なんか削除依頼にかけられそうで面倒くさい・・。折々やってみるかもしれません。ありがとうございます。--トトト (talk) 17:03, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- 私も一枚アップロードしました。かなり多くの利用者が同サイトからアップしていて、知る限りでは、今まで削除依頼に出されたことはありません。どうやら「安牌」として認知されている感じです。Takabeg (talk) 17:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Ships by year of completion
I changed your Category:JS Haruyuki (DD-128). The reason is that the "Ships built in" date for ships on Commons differs from other Wikipedia's. Here on Commons we use the date by completion, for naval ships is that the date of first commissioning. --Stunteltje (talk) 09:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- I am quite embarrassed. Almost all the U.S./Royal Navy's ships are currently categoriezed in their date of launches. For example, nobody dares to change Category:USS Enterprise (CVN-65) into "built in 1961", nor Category:HMS Invincible (R05) into "built in 1980". How should I interprete these discrepancies? --トトト (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Ships categorising is difficult, as worldwide Wikipedia's differ in the date of start. Some Wikipedia's use the date of launching of ships, some the date of completion of ships. Have a look at the digfference in e.g. French, German, English and Dutch Wikipedia. On Commons, as it is a worldwide working database, it is important and accepted to use just one system for any item. One has to make a choise. The date of completion can be found on the certificates of the ships, on contracts and publications in the media, even for old ships, not described in full on the internet. In that case the date of completion is the best choise if we want to find start dates. Unfortunately naval shiplovers here on Commons want to continue the system of their local Wikipedia for their naval ships. As the content of USS naval ships is the biggest of naval ships on Commons, you'll find the English Wikipedia system here on a lot of USS naval ships. That's why. But have a look at the en:Category:HMS Dreadnought (1875) and de:Category:HMS Dreadnought (1879), same ship. Here on Commons we have more than 15.000 ships in Category:Ships by name, in just one system: without any prefix and by date of completion. Without prefixes, as each language has its own prefix system. The only exeptions are a lot of naval ships. Sometimes it is impossible to avoid prefixes, as ships are just numbered and during a vast period only the pennant number is painted on the ship. E.g. Category:LST-325 (ship, 1943). Please realise that Commons is just a database for images and it is important to find these images. It is not a Wikipedia. --Stunteltje (talk) 15:17, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for adding description in new languages in categories. However, please do not remove the existing descriptions like you did here and here. ––Apalsola t • c 15:01, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Geen andere moeite met deze verplaatsing dan dat ik hem (nog) niet snap. Je hebt voorgesteld de hele lens-categorie te hernoemen. Niets mis mee, kennelijk had ik niet goed op de doos gekeken en een onvolledige naam gebruikt. Maar is het dan niet slimmer om even te wachten of iemand die aanpassing tegen wil houden en als dat niet het geval blijkt pas daarna de hele zwik van een paar duizend foto's met Cat-a-lot over te zetten? --Stunteltje (talk) 07:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- It might have been too early, but no big deal. If the renaming is rejected, I will return the file to the original category. I created the new category beforehand because one of parent categories of the current Taken with Nikon D90 and DX AD-S Nikkor 18-200 mm 1:3.5-5.6 GII ED will be non-existent if the renaming is done in the future. I moved only one file so that the new category should not be deleted as not used by an administrator. It might have been too early, though. I will sit still and wait for the consensus to be reached, and let the rest of the job done by the delinker. --トトト (talk) 12:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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ご教授ありがとうございました。 長いのですが未だシステムをわかっておりません。 カメラ位置は鍋冠山という所でしたので訂正いたしました。 今後ともご指摘ご教示お願いします。
- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luck-one (talk • contribs) 14:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- こちらこそ、訂正ありがとうございました。九州方面は防衛関係の写真を撮る方が少ないので、まことに助かります。今後ともよろしくお願いいたします。--トトト (talk) 15:05, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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ファイル説明文における言語の並び順について
こんにちは。トトトさんのアップロードされたファイルの一部（File:Asukayama Park, -April 2009 a.jpg や File:Uroko House, entrance 01.jpg など）において、説明文の中にコメントアウトで「説明文の日・英の順序を変えないで下さい」という注意書きがあるのに気がついたのですが、これには何か意図があるのでしょうか。ファイルの説明文は複数の言語で書かれることが望ましいということを考えると、編集者にとっては言語テンプレートのアルファベット順に並べるのが分かりやすく、従って英語の説明文 ({{En}}) と日本語の説明文 ({{Ja}}) の場合は「英・日」の順序のほうが適切であると思うのですが、いかがでしょうか。Yasu (talk) 15:36, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
- お返事がありませんので、当方の意見にご異議ないものと判断し、該当するファイルについては他の編集ついでに「英・日」の順序に変更させていただこうと思います。もし、「日・英」の順序のままにすべきという明確な理由がある場合は、お手数ですがその理由をお書き添えいただいたうえで再修正をお願いします。Yasu (talk) 16:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- 多数の言語による説明が並ぶ場合、例えばaf->ca->cs->da->de->el->es->fr->jaといったように7つも8つも異なる言語による説明が並ぶ場合は、言語を表すコードのアルファベット順にした方がよい場合もあるかと思います。ただ現実問題として日本語と英語しか説明がないファイルも沢山あります。またファイルの対象物なり、カテゴリの対象物なりの名前の発祥が日本語というものも多くあります。そのような場合に日本語の説明を先に表示させることは、事物の元々の名称が日本語由来であるということを一見して明らかにできるメリットがあります。つまりそのファイルなりカテゴリを頻繁に閲覧するユーザーの立場にたてば、逆にガチガチに言語コードのアルファベット順にしない方が見やすくなる側面もあるということ。
仮にいくつかのファイル等において、説明欄が日・英の順になっていたとしても、日本語：××English：△△のように、「日本語」「English」という言語を示す説明がある以上、どちらが先かはさして重要でないのであり、en->jaの順にこだわることは意味がないと考えております。つまり順序が逆でもEnglish：△△という説明が消えていない以上、英語圏の閲覧者にとって不便になるという事態は生じないのであって、ことさらに日・英の順序を敵視される理由が分かりません。ともかく前述のような意図をもって編集したものを単に言語を表すコードのアルファベット順でないという理由だけでen->jaの順に編集してまわるのはおやめ頂きたいと思います。
ついでに申し上げますと、（余計な御世話かもしれませんが）Yasuさんはファイルのレビューアーとしての権限をお持ちのようですが、レビューアーに求められるのは本来ファイルがコモンズへ受け入れ可能であることを確認して署名することに尽きるのですから、明らかな誤字脱字などがある場合を除いて、権限を行使される場合は他の編集者の意図を尊重した上でなさって頂きたいと思います。--トトト (talk) 00:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)- お返事遅くなりました。私としては、とりわけ「日・英」の順番を“敵視”しているというわけではないのですが、「ファイルやカテゴリの対象物が由来する土地の言語」を優先することに、おっしゃるほどのメリットがあるようには思われません。説明文なり、あるいは対応するウィキペディアの項目なりを読めばその対象物がどこの由来かというのは分かるのですから、それを言語の順番で表そうとすることに取り立てて意味はあるとは感じられませんし、日本語の説明文が先に書いてあればその事物が日本由来だと「一見して明らか」になるのかどうかも疑問です。そもそも、対象物が世界各国で販売されている工業製品、世界各国で利用されているサービス、世界各国で食されている料理など、要するに世界中に普及しているものであれば、それがどこの由来かということ自体にあまり重要な意味がない場合もあるでしょうし、そこまで意識する必要もないのではないでしょうか。
- 逆に、たとえ現在は日本語と英語の説明文しかないとしても、理想としてはさらに数多くの言語の説明文が付くほうがよいのですから、そういった状況を見越して考えれば、最初から言語コード順に並べておくのが編集者にとっては簡便であり、また閲覧者にも理解されやすいと思うのですが、いかがでしょうか。
- さらに申し上げますと、ファイルの説明文に限らず、コモンズのページは（コモンズのルールや法的な制限に反しない範囲で）誰でも自由に編集できる以上、特定ユーザの個人的な意図にすぎない（また、その意図自体もファイルページでは説明されていない）「日・英の順序を変えないで下さい」という文言には何らの強制力・拘束力もなく、他ユーザがこれを無視して「英・日」に変えることを止めることはできません（Commons:ページやファイルの所有権も参照ください）。もし、言語コード順よりも「ファイルやカテゴリの対象物が由来する土地の言語」を優先させるべきとお考えなのであれば、これを正式にコモンズのルールとするよう然るべき場所で提案されることをお勧めします。ただし、言語コード順に並べるのも今のところ正式なルールではありませんし、また編集合戦になるのも本意ではありませんので、トトトさんがどうしても「日・英」の順番でなければいやだとおっしゃるのでしたら、私としてはそこまで強く反対はしません。従って差し当たり、トトトさんが編集された項目で「日・英」の順番になっているものを私自身が「英・日」に変更することは控えますので、その点はご安心ください。
- なお、「本来ライセンスレビューアーに求められること」については全くおっしゃる通りなのですが、レビューアーも一編集者であることに変わりはなく、レビューアーが適切と判断した編集内容をライセンスレビューと同時に加えることは許されると考えています。ご理解いただければ幸いです。Yasu (talk) 15:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
- 多数の言語による説明が並ぶ場合、例えばaf->ca->cs->da->de->el->es->fr->jaといったように7つも8つも異なる言語による説明が並ぶ場合は、言語を表すコードのアルファベット順にした方がよい場合もあるかと思います。ただ現実問題として日本語と英語しか説明がないファイルも沢山あります。またファイルの対象物なり、カテゴリの対象物なりの名前の発祥が日本語というものも多くあります。そのような場合に日本語の説明を先に表示させることは、事物の元々の名称が日本語由来であるということを一見して明らかにできるメリットがあります。つまりそのファイルなりカテゴリを頻繁に閲覧するユーザーの立場にたてば、逆にガチガチに言語コードのアルファベット順にしない方が見やすくなる側面もあるということ。
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- Zie deze pagina. --トトト (talk)
- Why did you change the toolcat template that was used here, when it already uses the categories you put back into the filedesc page? TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 17:07, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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Two grey boxes occupying the field look a bit loathsome and can be confusing for those who are not familiar with camera systems. Sacrificing the simplicity of the description in favour of " toolcat=Canon EOS 5D Mark II " " toolcat=Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM" things is, in my opinion, not a good way of editing. By manually inserting "[[Category:Taken with Canon EOS 5D Mark II]] [[Category:Taken with Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM]]" , the file can be suitably categorized. Am I wrong? --トトト (talk) 17:38, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
- OK fine, since it is your file you can format however you want for your readers, but I only ask you retain the template in order to implement the category system properly and the categories would not be so easily removed. You can insert
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