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A deleted file seems to have been re-uploaded today


This file:,_ligne_7.JPG?uselang=fr has been uploaded today.
If I remember it looks like this one which has been deleted 2 days ago.
It is possible to check that the new uploaded file is a cropped version of the deleted one? If so, I suppose that the new file should be deleted too.
Best Regards. --Poudou99 (talk) 22:03, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

  Done Image deleted, uploader warned. INeverCry 22:09, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. --Poudou99 (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

My Portfolio

If there is one source of this article I would infringement own crazy then. I was accused of piracy itself. I ask for justice from you.DanMTaylor (talk) 03:55, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

File:ขอเชิญท่านผู้วางใจ (เพลงบรรเลง).ogg
File:Nearer My God To Thee (Instrumental).ogg
File:Joy To The World (instrumental).ogg
File:พระคริสตธรรมคัมภีร์ภาษาไทย ฉบับ 1971 (หนังสือปฐมกาล หน้า 1).jpg

I don't know if English is your first language, but if it isn't, you shouldn't be using a common English/American name like Dan Taylor. I told you at your talk clearly that you need to defend these images at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by DanMTaylor (click that link please). Reverting me has just wasted my time and yours again. The files are still listed for deletion at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by DanMTaylor. Just removing the tags does nothing at all. Now I have to put them back again. If you revert me I will block you from editing. No further warnings will be given. INeverCry 04:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
I've full protected the files and, in doing so, likely helped you not get yourself blocked. Again, please explain why these files are not copyright violations at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by DanMTaylor. INeverCry 04:36, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
  • @EugeneZelenko: I've protected the files in that DR for a week to avoid continued reverts/removal of your DR tags from the four involved images. I just wanted to ping you on this so you know about it. INeverCry 04:36, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
    Thank you for help! I also left warning about templates removal on user talk page. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:00, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Could you help me with File:Anuradhapura cross.png?

File:Anuradhapura cross.png is currently protected due to it being transcluded. I want to add {{vector version available|Anuradhapura Cross-Vector.svg}} to the page, but can't since it is protected. Could you add this for me?Offnfopt (talk) 02:58, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 03:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


Hi INeverCry,

many thanks for making me an Autopatroller on Wikimedia Commons.

Best Regards, Nameless23

Nameless23 (talk) 10:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


te doy las gracias por eliminar la imagen, y disculpas por las molestias, Que Dios te bendiga --Elreysintrono (talk) 20:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

restore category

Hi! Please restore the created me a category Category:Statue of Stepan Bandera in Ternopil and deleted by you on 23:49, October 21, 2014.--Mykola Vasylechko 10:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 19:21, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

user rights

Thank you! Have a good day --Beata May (talk) 08:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you also ! have a good day also !--Faqscl (talk) 08:27, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Odd license template

Hiya INC, I found a user gallery of images with a very restrictive user template. This looks more like someone trying to get something out of the system than one who is offering their images to the public through Commons. What do you think?? Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

(TPS) Hi Ellin, I'm familiar with CEphoto, Uwe Aranas through their contributions to Featured Pictures and other quality forums. What is it about the template that you think is restrictive? Looks like a standard CC BY-SA-3.0 licence to me. In fact, the request for credit-line is slightly less restrictive than the official licence which does require URLs for the source image and CC licence text, rather than making them optional. Also, many photographers who take professional-level images are asked for re-use where the terms of CC BY-SA cannot be met, or where the publisher would rather not include such a wordy credit-line, or admit they got it free. In such cases, the photographer may agree to drop the requirements either without charge (deserving cause) or for a fee. The Facebook restriction is correct, according to WMF legal. One should only really post one's own photos on Facebook, and Facebook terms are incompatible with the "SA" part of CC BY-SA 3.0. -- Colin (talk) 16:27, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Dear Ellin Beltz, I am not sure what you want to fabricate against me. I am a chemical engineer and my salary is good enough to make a living without taking any benefits from my photographic work. Therefore, some years ago, I decided to give away my complete work for free in the highest available resolution without any watermarking or hidden agenda. Asking for a simple credit line is nothing special. If you are keen to use a special photo for your facebook profile, ask me friendly and it might be, that I grant your request. --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 16:49, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Probably you failed to read my Photographers Profile. I think it does not look like someone who tries to use Commons for his own benefits, huh? --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ellin Beltz: Please refrain in future from such statements. They range under "cybermobbing" and are against COM:AGF. Also, give a notice to the user, you are charging with such assumptions. Your attitude in this case is ignoble to an admin. --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 12:43, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

@CEphoto, Uwe Aranas My original note was simple, didn't include your name or any problem other than request for opinion from older admin. There have previously been discussions about restrictive or promotional templates (not saying yours is either), so when I encountered your for the first time, I asked INC for an opinion based on those prior discussions. My comment about "looks more like" is not cybermobbing, nor counter-AGF. Sorry if you're upset, but in prior experience here, the people who get the most upset and accusatory often are missing some simple part of the point. Here it is, asking a question is not the end of the world. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:36, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for replying, good to know that you acted in good faith. If any more questions about my work in Commons or Wikipedia occur, please approach me directly to avoid any confusion or bad feelings. Cheers and Happy Easter, --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

undeletion request for Wirkungskreis des SWK.png & Wirtschaftlichkeit des SWK.png

Hi INever Cry, I've uploaded the files Wirkungskreis des SWK.png & Wirtschaftlichkeit des SWK.png a few days ago for the following wikipedia article: Could you please tell me why the files got deleted? Lutheraner, the user who requested the deletion told me to contact you as you are a commons-admin. The graphics are created by the author ("Eigene Darstellung" in German) of the paper: The paper and all the graphics used in the paper are distributed under the CreativeCommons-Licence CC BY-NC-SA 3.0: You can find this information on the last page of the document: Is there a possibility to undelete the two files? Thank you for your help! --Marcelmu (talk) 10:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

NC licenses (non-commercial) are unacceptable for Commons. Commons only accepts free licenses that allow for both derivative and commercial use, such as CC-BY-SA 3.0. You can review COM:L for detailed licensing guidelines. INeverCry 10:44, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation!--Marcelmu (talk) 08:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


INeverCry, you indef blocked this user, March 30, block log, reason (Abusing multiple accounts). There is no indication of another account, and I could find no talk page warning of the user on this matter, nor any discussion anywhere, including checkuser requests. The user was active here from May, 2013, and on from January, 2012, and was indef blocked there on March 29 for socking. The user may have edited IP while blocked. I see what would be, on enwiki, inadequate warning on the user's talk page there. However, not our business.

Was this user evading a block here? If the user was using multiple accounts, that could be legitimate under some circumstances. Was there another account? Thanks. --Abd (talk) 14:01, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

The user was blocked for abusing multiple accts, but there was more behind my decision to block both him and the confirmed sock. He used User:Transformers 23 to vote stack in DRs and vote keep on his own uploads. This wouldn't have caused me to block User:TVBS588 indef by itself if he didn't have such a large history of copyvio uploading here, which can be seen by looking at his talk page, and a history of socking on another project. When a serial copyvio uploader doesn't change their behavior after constantly having their uploads deleted and tagged for deletion or speedy deletion, but rather uses a confirmed sock account to abuse the DR process, I see a user who overall is a threat to Commons and not a productive editor. He's been around for a few years steadily uploading copyvios, and this sock was created in mid 2014 and used recently. These 2 accts were technically confirmed, but I can't rule out other socks that may be stale, and I definitely can't rule out the chance of his uploading further copyvios considering his record or further socking. I'm opposed to any unblock of User:TVBS588 at this time. INeverCry 19:28, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for that helpful, detailed response. --Abd (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


INC, please undelete File:Fuerte Hoteles Logo.jpg and File:Fuerte Hoteles Logo.jpg by OTRS:2015032410018206 (it's enwiki). It must be moved to commons. Thanks.Willy Weazley 21:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're asking, and I can't see that ticket, so I'd suggest posting this request at COM:UDEL. INeverCry 23:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
No problem. I'll ask Diannaa or the UR. The files are not uploaded at commons.Willy Weazley 23:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) - Willy Weazley, I've read the ticket (with an email address at the company website). I've restored the Commons file and modified the summary. Green Giant (talk) 07:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Green Giant, but now we have 3 files. Diannaa restored it too (enwiki).Willy Weazley 14:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
I've tagged the WP file for deletion. What is the third file? Green Giant (talk) 16:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Oh, sorry; It's the same file. I thought it was 3. I was sleepy.Willy Weazley 22:41, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


Hello, My account has been compromised during my absence. Can you block it indefinitely to avoid damage to Wikimedia projects? Global block if possible. --BScMScMD (talk) 17:46, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Michael von Aichberger uploads

Hi INeverCry, after reading the thread on AN/U I've checked the uploads of User:Michael von Aichberger and found that after your removal of the bogus DRs many had been npd-tagged by FastilyClone. I then followed the uploader to his homeproject :de (de:Benutzer:Michael von Aichberger) and found that his earliest edits were in de:Bildpersonalisierung, a topic to which his early image-uploads are also related. So, I am rather sure that the accounts on Commons and :de belong to the same person. An early version of the article on :de had an external link to the company "von Aichberger & Roenneke", which lists a Michael von Aichberger as one of the CEOs and photographers[1], which makes his authorship in high-quality shots at least plausible. As this user is no longer active on Commons, Fastilys npd-tagging equals speedy-deletion. I therefore converted most of the npd-tags into regular DR in order to allow for a discussion, but not with the intend to get them deleted. However, I am less sure about the users authorship in his early uploads "File:AlphaPicture-sample-...jpg" and File:M00023-sample-esp-x.jpg‎. These might eventually be derivatives of images by other users, though I don't have solid evidence for that. --Túrelio (talk) 07:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Túrelio: This is more than just a Russavia attack on me for blocking his socks. The subject, Valentina Lisitsa, is all over news and social media after the Toronto Symphony cancelled her scheduled performance for political reasons. We need to be very sure this is a copyvio before deleting it, or Commons may be in the news too considering this is used in all her wiki articles. INeverCry 07:50, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Anyway I just sent a mail to to very the user account. Jee 07:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
INeverCry, to make this very clear, I have no intend and currently see not the slightest reason to delete these portrait images. However, as you well know, an uncontested npd results in deletion after 7 days without getting any or much public attention. My DRs are meant as contesting the prior npd-tags. --Túrelio (talk) 07:56, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate that Turelio, and I certainly don't doubt you or your motives at all. This was started by Russavia. What you say sounds like a keep vote though. ;) As for public attention, it would get that, because this same image is being used on Twitter, Facebook, news sources, and many websites that focuse on classical music as we speak. INeverCry 08:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Get well soon

I'm sorry to hear that you're retiring again. I told them not to put so much pressure on you. Nevertheless, you were also placing a lot of pressure on yourself. The Great Anti-Sockpuppetry Defender of Commons is a big role for one person to handle. When you return, it might be a good idea to leave the sock-hunting to others. We'll still respect you even if you stop hunting socks. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Addendum: I also want to apologize for starting this mess. If I had known that that discussion wouldn't be an one-on-one discussion between you and me, I wouldn't had started it. I didn't realize that so many partisans from all side would enter the discussion. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I agree and eventhough I don't agree with everything you do (who does right) I think you do a great job and hope you come back after a break. I know all to well how the pressure's of editing and criticism can become too much but I also know that it's really, really, really hard to stay away when you care about the success of the project which you seem to do. So I hope to see you again soon. :-) Reguyla (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes. Get well soon. You are 40, I'm 70. We learn to shed stress, or we don't survive. However, for me, the source of stress is always myself. Conditions don't stress me, it is my response to conditions that is stressful. I cannot always change conditions, but I can transform myself, creating new responses. All the best. --Abd (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Admin's Barnstar
Thank you for your great work, no matter what the haters say. Hope you consider to come back when you feel its right. 1989 14:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Come in and pet the kitties; come back when you feel like it - email me anytime! Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Ellin beat me to it but I think you deserve the barnstar. Put your health before Wikimedia, because Commons will still be here when, not if, you return. :) Green Giant (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your great work. I really appreciate your hard work her in all the aspects, trying to improve Commons as possible. Hope you consider to come back when you feel it's right. after all being active in Commons should be enjoyable. -- Geagea (talk) 19:59, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


You're now fed-up with Commons and what a horrible place it is. If you don't like it then move on. [note] INeverCry 3 April 2015 --The_Photographer (talk) 17:16, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

note: Block message to biopic/Lycaon changed from reference to this note by Abd (talk) 02:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, this could be ironic. Drop the cudgel, The Photographer. Say something nice.
What I see, looking at that and what it led to, was that INeverCry was burning out, he was showing classic symptoms. He needed a rest, for his health and so he's done exactly the right thing. My hope is that we can make Commons a better place, safer, and that, doing so, it will also become more efficient and far more pleasant. That's going to take some changes. If everyone sits around believing "I was right," it won't happen. We need to be able to let go of that, and start to look at what becomes possible when we actually listen to each other.
If he comes back, I hope he will be pleased at what he finds. Let's make it so. --Abd (talk) 18:30, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Say nice words does not always help let someone go. We must help our friend to leave the house on fire even if it means saying horrible words used by him. Meanwhile, the sadomasochistic game shall continue. Call sadomasochistic because everyone here knows that this from the beginning, is a battle that we will not win, trolls, confused users and WMF thirsty for money and control, have become this project in an aberrant place. I hope INeverCry can stop mourn and move on, you may have the courage not to look back, if you look back could become stone. BTW, Are you going to unblock biopic/Lycaon? See you soon --The_Photographer (talk) 19:05, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
@The_Photographer: As I've said previously on this talk page, your comments aren't very helpful. Your comments are rather mean-spirited. Your initial post to this thread can be considered "gravedancing". In addition, it would be helpful if you stopped thinking in terms of a "war against the WMF". INeverCry isn't an enemy working for an evil WMF empire. There isn't an evil empire here to fight. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict with above, response to The Photographer) First of all, INeverCry, in order to unblock biopic, would have to unblock himself. He could still do that, his sysop rights have not yet been removed, they wait a day for that. No, if biopic is to be unblocked, we will have to do it. It's possible, that's my opinion. I'm in touch with the user.
One of the tropes that we need to confront is that anything is the responsibility of a single user. So INeverCry blocked. So? Is he the only user with the tools to handle this? The basic wiki assumption, for administrators and for users, is AGF. That means that we will assume there was a basis for the block. That is why admins should not wheel-war. That is not the same as assuming the block should be maintained. That is, in fact, a very different question. Right now, though, INeverCry has shut off email notification, he won't necessarily see this talk page. He's reactive, see his block log. He will be attempting to not look at Commons at all.
As to a "battle that we will not win," The Photographer, that will be true for you if you believe what you write. You were aware of the block of biopic. What did you do about it? I wasn't aware of the block. Now I am. I have not thoroughly researched it, but if I extrapolate from what I have seen, I would have started by asking INeverCry to unblock (or by suggesting the user ask, if Talk page access is open). That would be a request, not a demand, and I would have asked him to set conditions for unblock, if he wanted, and I'd have attempted to obtain an agreement from biopic. These things are often not difficult to do. From what I've seen, INeverCry was reasonable.
And when someone is not reasonable, then, eventually, if anyone cares, the matter will go to the community. I often anticipate the community, fairly accurately, but not always. That's the way it is. To do all this nondisruptively takes time. Some, instead, like to jump up and down, complain bitterly, blame and attack, demand immediate response, and generally toss their own power in the trash.
On the matter that stirred up the most disruption lately, the community is not in agreement. That's why INeverCry had such a hard time. He was trying to do what he believed was "right," instead of serving consensus and backing off when consensus wasn't with him. That is a formula for burnout. You were on the other side of that conflict. Your version would be that what INeverCry and the WMF were doing was "wrong." And because there is no consensus in your direction either, you don't think it is possible to transform the situation.
Consensus is powerful. A true Commons consensus could turn the WMF around, if it had to. Consensus, however, is not well formed through confrontation. It forms when people are assisted with a civil environment, and become interested in cooperation. That requires understanding on all sides. Which takes, it's known, under difficult conditions, a lot of discussion. And wikis don't like lots of discussion, typically. It isn't "quick."
There are ways to deal with this, but until the problem is more widely understood, wikis will continue down the same old road, with the ruts getting deeper.
We just don't have to go down that road with them. INeverCry was stressed, because of certain beliefs he created or bought. You have what amount to the flip side of those beliefs, equally fantasies. Did they make him happy? Are they making you happy? I don't think so! So what good are they?
Look around Commons. It's obvious what's going on. Yet if you say it unskillfully, you may be attacked. That's quite normal. What creates that is a way of thinking. I'd suggest you are still afflicted with it yourself.
This is what I'd recommend, and it's recommended for INeverCry if he decides to come back. (It's possible he's set it up so that the account INeverCry is toast, but that doesn't matter, he could still come back.) Enjoy this place for the opportunities it presents, do not allow yourself to become attached to outcomes. Develop detachment, m:Eventualism, but not as an idea that there will eventually be value, but that value exists now in what exists, even if it isn't recognized or fully developed.
This is missed about wikis, especially by some administrators. No user is ever obligated to do anything. Maintaining the wiki is a community responsibility, not an individual one. If it has become a burden, that's a klaxon telling you that you have become attached.
Some of us believe we have a responsibility to tell the truth, if we know it or think we know it. We may believe we have an obligation to use the tools, if we have them and think we know what is right. However, that conflicts with the concept that the mop is "no big deal," and that admins are servants of consensus, not of their own opinions.
We easily confuse our own opinions with Truth, and what is Right. It's normal, but does a lot of damage. That is what burned out INeverCry. And it is also what leads you into despair.
The advice could be summarized by Have Fun. --Abd (talk) 23:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Copyright Watcher Barnstar
Thanks for enforcing the rules mercilessly! You must come back. Commons needs the Deleter-in-Chief! :) Dontreader (talk) 19:51, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

And another from me

  The Copyright Watcher Barnstar
You have been so good in helping zap those promo logos that I tag. Please come back. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I have seen you working tirelessly and hard. I hope you keep well and please return to Wikimedia Commons. I totally miss your editing style and spotting out for sockpuppets. Please keep well and hopefully see you soon :) Nim Bhharathhan (talk) 07:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


I really hope you would reconsider this decision. :( Perhaps take a wikibreak for 2 months and come back. I hope you won't leave fully. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 08:56, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

This place is bad for my health. I'm pushing 40, I'm epileptic, and I really don't need the extra stress and hassle. I don't think a month or two is going to bring the kind of change that's needed. I've given it my best, and I enjoyed most of it. That's enough for me. Take care. INeverCry 09:06, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, if you say so. I cannot change your decision about leaving, but I hope you can still be contacted by email. I also don't really like the idea of leaving and coming back multiple times, so I hope you give this a serious consideration. Last but not least, thanks for all the tireless work and service you have done for Commons! Have a good rest and retirement! Jianhui67 talkcontribs 09:16, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
It is so painful to read. Unfortunately Commons prefers trolls than people like you. Take care of your health as it is most important than anything else here. Jee 09:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I assure you that you will be missed - take care and best --Herby talk thyme 10:43, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
Fare well. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I am sorry we have failed so miserably to defend you, when you were just doing your job here. Personal health prevails over everything else. Take care. -- Slaunger (talk) 17:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Since my mail to the bureaucrats list will probably be leaked anyways I might as well just post it here. It is a reply to a comment by Jkadavoor (talk · contribs) and a reaction to the parting of INeverCry (talk · contribs)

To be honest, I have pondered the same step during the past few weeks.
But apparently, I am at least partially responsible for this (or rather my silence is).
I really don't know what to do. Whenever I speak up against bullies like Fae or Russavia I get very little backup. The conclusion I take is that their behavior is accepted and sanctioned by the community at large, by admins, and by at least one Bureaucrat (no need to tipytoe around the fact that this crat is Odder).
As long as the bot uploading of thousands of US military images is deemed so valuable that antisocial behavior is getting a free pass there is really nothing we can do about this.
Apparently the mindset of "us" against the Foundation is very entrenched, and it seems easy to find at least one point where any given user is dissatisfied with the work of the WMF. Be it the Mediaviewer, the state of Wikimedia Labs and the discontinuation of the Toolserver, be it the Terms of use enforcement. This dissatisfaction can easily be channeled to rally people, even for causes as absurd as defending a known destructive troll like Russavia.
So, Jeevan, and fellow crats, what can we possibly do to save a community that quite obviously doesn't even want to be saved?!

All the best. --Dschwen (talk) 14:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

An answer to your question, Dschewen: Trust consensus. If consensus does not exist, or is not apparent, seek it. If there is no consensus for a position, acting from or pushing for that position will always be difficult. When there is consensus, it's easy.
Some of us confuse our own ideas of right and wrong with consensus. We are then set up for stress as we try to work for what is "right" rather than for consensus. It gets especially ugly when we don't trust consensus, so we don't ask.
Instead of seeking consensus, we push our opinions and judgments. There are facts about Russavia, as an example, but these become de-emphasized in favor of judgments of right and wrong, good and evil. The real Russavia disappears, is almost unimportant, instead this becomes a battle between the "trolls" and "freedom." It's an ancient battle. When we lock ourselves into it, we lose sight of our community purpose. We might even "win," but then the "trolls" somehow don't get that we won, and continue their campaign. Or new trolls take their place.
I don't know what the community consensus is on the Russavia issue, and socking is only a part of it. I don't see that any serious attempt has been made to develop a consensus. Mostly, I've seen despair on all sides. Discussions have mostly focused on specific incidents, and Commons has developed an uncivil culture. I'm not highly experienced on Commons, so I have not acted on this matter yet, I have only commented here and there. This is what I know, though: a true Commons consensus will be enforced, one way or another. It will not be stressful. --Abd (talk) 15:43, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
@Abd: thanks for this comment. It is of remarkable clarity! I will try to let it sink in before I conclude my (somewhat interrupted) wikibreak. Cheers --Dschwen (talk) 02:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
Dschwen, I'm sure the situation will be different if at least one admin jump in to defend INC at ANU and here while I desperately tried to stop that troll. I agree most of our admins are in sleep mode when that troll is active (UTC+8). Anyway the admin community must decide whether they prefer to flee away fearing this troll or have the courage to defend. Jee 15:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
There are other reasons for the lack of "backup" than to assume the "community at large" "accept and sanction" the bullies. Most of the community (who number in hundreds if not thousands of active users) have expressed no opinion and are either ignorant of this issue or don't care to get involved. Their continued activity of taking, uploading, categorising and adding images to Wikipedia can probably instead be regarded as being essentially happy with WMF's projects and to collaborate on developing an encyclopaedia or image database with other users. Don't let a small mob colour your views of what this community is. Having said that, the site demographics are wrong. The noticeboards are heavily weighted with the activity and opinions of under-employed young men. One doesn't need a degree in psychology to figure out how that will breed a culture where bullying is permitted and values distorted. We need to stop reinforcing the idea that this vocal minority who value mass uploads higher than dealing with bullying actually represent the community. -- Colin (talk) 15:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
(conflict with below) It is quite obvious that those who dominate central process here, and on enwiki, where I'm most familiar, are not "the community," yet, the community allows these to dominate. Those "under-employed young men" have high energy and may be useful. However, the phrase "adult supervision" is often used. Part of that would be enforcing civility policy, with the goal being civility, not "getting rid of bad users," which is what those young imagine. Wikis have generally created process that empowers the small, reactive group that hangs out around the core.
From my point of view, the "community" is mostly asleep. And it often dislikes being awakened, and will not respond from depth at first, it will react, usually to reject the one poking it.
The problem with enforcing civility is that it has always been, in my experience, mixed up with ideas that incivility is "bad." Actually, it can represent passion, it's not bad. But a meeting chair will still tell an out-of-order member to sit down and shut up. And will exclude the member from the meeting if the member refuses. It is never a "ban," an "indef block." That would be an entirely separate process, and a chair's decision is always appealable to the membership. But usually it is much easier for the member to just shut up and follow process.
There is a great deal that wikis could learn from standard deliberative process, which is highly democratic and efficient. Instead, a decade ago, we believed that we could do it better, all that bureaucratic crap and complicated rules (that we never bothered to understand) were unnecessary. Well?
I would simply start with civility enforcement, which would take a few courageous admins, who would first seek consensus for it. Yes. They would set up *rules.* Having rules does not negate w:WP:IAR, there is always common-law "public policy." But rules create predictability, that's the purpose, not control, per se. Humans will always resist control, it's in the genes. --Abd (talk) 16:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

  • BTW, if even mail to crat list will leak, why should I keep this as secret? See what that troll is doing under the caves and decide whether you really prefer him than a good admin like INC:
Extended content

Conversation with russavia at 2/7/2015 1:40:51 PM

(1:40:51 PM) russavia:<email address redacted> &page_limit=120&advanced_search=true&page=1&sid=3a19afa6644e705a754f83f3ac6418b8&sort_order=photo_id+desc&thumbnails= there is evidence -- stop emailing these people with fucking nonsense

(1:40:57 PM) russavia: especially as discussion is ongoing

(1:42:47 PM) russavia: discussion which I hope you are well aware others, including possibly me, are watching as well -- your comments about not having to ask commons was an idiotic move on your part

(1:48:15 PM) jkadavoor: where a free license mentioned in that link?

(1:48:29 PM) russavia: it is in the email i've sent to you you fucking idiot

(1:48:39 PM) russavia: do you want to see a screenshot

(1:48:54 PM) russavia: of course i can't be trusted blah blah blah fucking bullshit blah blah blah

(1:49:02 PM) russavia: don't fucking start with me

(1:49:31 PM) russavia: as i say, one of these photographers is a close friend -- he's already pissed and he will tell you to get fucked

(1:51:25 PM) russavia: <link removed> there's the screenshot

(1:51:53 PM) russavia: i suggest you cease what you are doing and perhaps talk to RD before continuing

(1:52:11 PM) russavia: the last thing you want if your name getting in the press with quotes like you have said on otrs-wiki

(1:53:45 PM) jkadavoor: <email address redacted> is not mentioned in any webpage.

(1:53:55 PM) russavia: look at the link i gave you!

(1:54:01 PM) russavia:<email address redacted> &page_limit=120&advanced_search=true&page=1&sid=3a19afa6644e705a754f83f3ac6418b8&sort_order=photo_id+desc&thumbnails=

(1:54:18 PM) russavia: it takes you DIRECTLY to his photos

(1:57:38 PM) russavia: so how the hell can you continue to sit there and say you can't verify anything

(1:59:25 PM) jkadavoor: you may have logged in or something like that. public can't access his email id

(2:00:01 PM) russavia: what the fuck

(2:00:17 PM) russavia: are you playing dumb now

(2:01:09 PM) russavia: of course, you could have asked all of this, before rushing off like a bull at a gate and sending more irrelevant emails

(2:01:25 PM) jkadavoor: No; I had already tried to contact one related to twitter post; only a form appers where we can type. no response after one week.

(2:01:42 PM) russavia: seriosuly you are an total fucking

(2:01:45 PM) russavia: idiot

(2:02:02 PM) russavia: the twitter post one has already been done!!!!!

(2:02:17 PM) jkadavoor: the accout is suspended now

(2:02:22 PM) russavia: you are not using any brains

(2:02:41 PM) jkadavoor: then let another agent to recheck; bye

(2:03:13 PM) russavia: well i suggest you stay away from any and all of my tickets because you are simply being a tosser


(9:37:46 PM) russavia: you are a disgusting fucker


(4:19:31 PM) russavia: i'd appreciate it if you could stop talking fucking shit about me

(4:19:51 PM) russavia: i've made no brutal attacks against you -- that is a fucking lie and you are a fucking lying cunt

-Jee 15:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

  • (edit conflict with an admin and revision deletion). There is an IRC conversation placed here, improperly. It demonstrates that Jkadavoor is a reactive user, which I already knew. He has brought off-wiki incivility here, which would violate a sane civility policy. It's completely irrelevant, but he doesn't know that, obviously, and no admin is telling him, and he's not likely to believe me. I've seen many recent examples of incivility; as an immediate example, calling a user a "troll" is uncivil, and there are other examples, but I see no warnings on his talk page, not to mention that there have been no blocks. Bringing in a conversation like that, which we will see without context, is uncivil and could be misleading. Russavia was uncivil, it was not uncommon. Who warned him? When incivility is tolerated, it breeds more and more incivility. I have seen an admin actually libel a user on this site, about an off-wiki event, on the talk page of another admin. Nobody says anything. It's normal, it's accepted.
  • The point is not "bad users" (and the point is not that I'm right about any specific incident, or not). The point is that an uncivil environment can take ordinary humans and set us up to be uncivil, and this propagates. So an example is right here. By not establishing a civil environment, which is a known necessity for the development of true consensus, we maintain Commons as, too often, a toxic environment. This will eventually drive away a user like INeverCry, who was a quite decent servant of the community (even though I advised him not to be the ban enforcer, to let the WMF handle its own bans.) --Abd (talk) 16:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Good of you INeverCry. This community has been going bonkers for a few years already, like so many other sub communities of our movement. When it comes down to it, choose what is best for you. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 18:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
  • "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." It's one of my favorites and I believe that it's suitable here. I wish you well and I hope to see you back soon under better circumstances, without all the war games going on. Natuur12 (talk) 20:12, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry to see this. Thank you for your hard work on backlogs and the ugly side of Commons. Best regards and good luck with whatever you put your mind to. --99of9 (talk) 01:19, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry to see you go INC. You'll be missed, but your health and wellbeing are more important. Bye, I hope your next hobby brings you more joy. ColonialGrid (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Request for removal of sysop and checkuser rights actioned. If you see this, INeverCry, thanks for your service and best wishes for your health and future. --Abd (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
  • So sorry to see this - wishing you all the best. -- Deadstar (msg) 08:43, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Thekohser

Sorry to see that you got blocked, but I can see that you weren't very intelligent with your arguments. A few weeks ago, you asked, "if it was about pissing off people at the top only, than why isn't User:Thekohser banned?" I'm not banned on Wikimedia Commons because there is no Wikimedia Foundation-executed ban on me. I'm banned from English Wikipedia, because I upset Jimmy Wales and a few of his minions by telling the truth (and documenting it) about Jimmy Wales. That doesn't (yet) rise to a global ban offense. - Thekohser (talk) 13:20, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


Hi INeverCry. Akrben is a VOA on Wikipedia who uploads files at Commons which are used to denigrate their subjects on Wikipedia. Dr.K. (talk) 04:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dr.K.: INeverCry has unfortunately retired; I guess you didn’t see the edit-notice showing his self-block. Anyway, I suggest you contact another admin or post to the appropriate noticeboard.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:11, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Blocked the account and speedy closed the DR. Natuur12 (talk) 13:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back

Per your request I unblocked your account, changed the protection on your user page and gave you the rights you asked for. Take care. Trijnsteltalk 22:20, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back. Hope you're feeling a bit better. Green Giant (talk) 22:35, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Good to see you back. Commons needs user like you more than they wil ever realise. Natuur12 (talk) 23:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Good to see you back. Cheers, --CEphoto, Uwe Aranas (talk) 23:57, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm very glad you're back, the place hasn't been the same without you!! HUGS!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:09, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Hugs warmly returned! I took a break, and I think I'll be alright if I stay away from adminship/CU/drama. I'm more than burned out on the old whack-a-mole game. I still remember the old days before I was an admin when Materialscientist and I did most of the file moves around here... Anyways, we've got a huge pile of uncategorized images I can tunnel my way into and not come out of for quite a while. I'll be sure to send any impressive felines I find your way for a look. The mother cat just had her kittens a few days ago btw. They'll be around with mom for some food soon enough, and I'll get a shot of them to upload and show you.   INeverCry 00:33, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi there! --Ricordisamoa 00:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
  INeverCry 00:33, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back. It's always nice to hear about new litters of kittens being delivered into the world. Take it easy. Categorizing everything sounds like a tough job. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 00:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Michael. I mainly categorize images of places or things I'm familiar with or that just look interesting and are well shot, or files that have good enough descriptions or are used in articles so I can use that info to find the right categories. There's a load of images here that would take a magician to find a category for though... INeverCry 00:47, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Really glad tp see you back. -- Geagea (talk) 00:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Welcome back! Glad to see you here again! Jianhui67 talkcontribs 02:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Ditto of course   --Herby talk thyme 11:28, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
+1. Jee 05:41, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Alright. It's nice to see you returning to your roots, doing the stuff you did before you became a sysop. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 10:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

WB!! Can I ask for help?

This is [2] a fun one, every image has "Selim Belmaachi" in the title, most of them are copied from PD-Gov, but the template info is ... um, questionable. I did fix one image which I found PD-Gov but he'd uploaded a thumbnail, and then I saw the rest. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Those are a serious mess and basically amount to disruption and a personal attack. The uploader has substituted Selim Belmaachi in the descriptions as well as the file names, in some cases obscuring who the subject actually is. The uploaders' name is different from Selim Belmaachi, though from a Google search Selim Belmaachi looks to be a real person. In the case of <hidden>, the uploader has replaced the actual subject's name, <hidden>, with that of <hidden>. <hidden>. I don't know what issue the uploader has with this person Selim Belmaachi, but with <hidden> the file would have to be renamed without leaving a redirect, the description fixed, and the original revision hidden. I have no idea what any of the French text says. If I were still an admin, I'd block the uploader indefinitely as a VOA and nuke the uploads as the safest course (you can use VisualFileChange and choose "mass deletion of copyright violations or other inappropriate files"). Otherwise, the clean-up job is an obvious hassle, and <hidden> and all the childish replacing of actual names with his and obscuring of authorship. It's your call. My suggestion would take you a few minutes; the clean-up and warning will take you a lot longer than that... INeverCry 02:21, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I agree with INC's assessment and have nuked the lot together with an indefinite block. Green Giant (talk) 08:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks INC & Green Giant! Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:06, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Help in finding OTRS ticket number

Hi. I'm Pavanjandhyala and after few volunteers giving a deaf ear to my request at the OTRS noticeboard, i'm approaching you. Did anyone from sent a mail to OTRS permitting the usage of this content here? If yes, can you please let me know its OTRS ticket number if any? I requested them permission on 23 March 2015 after watching this file. Or else, if you are an OTRS volunteer, can you tell me whether that ticket is valid only for that particular file or any similar content available in their website? Please do respond. Thank you, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:15, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I'd look for it if I could, but unfortunately I'm not an OTRS member, so I have no access to OTRS tickets or emails. You might want to contact the website and see if anyone there sent an OTRS email. INeverCry 09:27, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I sent a mail to the website days back and there has been no reply till now. Anyway, thanks for replying. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
You'd probably be better off looking for an alternative to that image if that's the case. INeverCry 10:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
How? No free images are available on Flickr and Bollywood Hungama. No Flickr user is replying when i request them to alter the license. Since Behindwoods has been proved successful with this, i am trying for it. I cant test other sources now. Another mistake and i shall be blocked again, which i don't want. So, i am asking all for help randomly. Hope someone listens and helps me out, including your regular talk page stalkers. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:23, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I know how you feel. I've been looking for a good free image of Sonequa Martin-Green for a couple years with no luck. The new one they have there now is worse than nothing... INeverCry 10:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes it is. I have approached Green Giant and i hope he shall respond soon. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:30, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
...responded on my talk page. Green Giant (talk) 13:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Jermboy27 roadsigns...   INeverCry 09:30, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Blocked. --Steinsplitter (talk) 09:55, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
And --Steinsplitter (talk) 09:57, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, and I used to do soft rangeblocks to stop him. In the end though, it's not worth a whole lot. He's done 100,000+ IP edits here on Commons and has been around for nearly a decade, so he's pretty much a fixture here: you'd be hard-pressed to find a roadsign category or gallery here that he hasn't edited, created, or added images to... INeverCry 20:58, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

RE: Files not at linked source

They are at the linked blog page, in the gallery titled "유연석과 수지의 15' SUMMER 화보 보기", just before the videos. --Chiyako92 (talk) 08:20, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Tagged and deleted. Same images at much higher resolution:,, and INeverCry 10:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

it's almost full moon

Can you tell? [3]. I think this sound effect goes really well with the situation. See what you got me into?? Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:11, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Heh, Irewolde seems a strange name for a calls up images of Vikings in my head... The attack on suggests he's on a static IP, and had to go there to get around the autoblock here. INeverCry 02:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
I got some friendly vandal attention over on myself yesterday.   INeverCry 02:34, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining why he'd show up on Wiki. I think I'll leave the message for a while, it's decorative. It must be griefer week, we're having a lot of problems with that at work too. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


{{You've got mail}} Also, Welcome Back. 1989 23:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Opinion &/or help?

Guidance please[4]. Your Russian is a lot better than mine. Hugs !! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

The Khariton Slavorossov material is WW1 era, so PD-RusEmpire might cover the pre-1917 stuff if it was published at the time, which is likely was since aviation would've been newsworthy. I would suggest asking one of the native Russian-speaking admins. Most of the other stuff focuses on Rolland Garros, a Frenchman, so perhaps asking Yann or another French-speaking admin would help. Some of those could be old/anon. But that's all above my pay-grade now...   INeverCry 01:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Eine Frage

Прошу прощения за вопрос (заданный по-русски). Больше мне здесь спросить не у кого. Если Вам не трудно, покажите мне место, где можно прочитать критерии хорошего изображения, желательно - точные. К примеру, дельта размера, ну и так далее. Сам найти не смог. С поклоном, --—(FinitoR) 17:04, 8 May 2015 (UTC).

Commons:Image guidelines. INeverCry 18:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC) - - - - - -> Merci. --— (FinitoR) 11:10, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the message! Since I have so many photos, I usually set them as Player Name - Player Team, because it's a logical way for me to organize (so may players are on multiple teams, etc). Happy to adjust if needed... sometimes I find that there aren't Wiki categories that show up for the lesser-known players... I probably have a bit to learn on the category stuff. As a heads up, I have some Habs & Isles photos coming soon! :)

Tsyp9 (talk) 00:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. You'll get used to it as you go along. It's no problem for me or others to adjust the cats anyways, so no worries really. I'll keep a watch on your uploads so I can add them to articles on other language wikis, and adjust or create a category here and there. I added your images to 300+ articles in other languages just this afternoon.   INeverCry 03:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi there INeverCry, quick question for you

It's been a while for me and I was just curious if you could provide your 2 cents for me on this... So U.S. Air Force Special Operations Command put up a picture on their facebook (link). Now, I know US Government released stuff is under PD. Would it be a safe assumption to be able to upload this? or no? Thank you. Cheers, -- Dainomite (talk) 00:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Not my area of expertise. I'd recommend asking Jameslwoodward or Clindberg. INeverCry 03:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Dainomite, "I know US Government released stuff is under PD" is not correct. Any work created by a US Government employee as part of his official duties is PD. However, the government posts many images that do not meet this requirement and are not PD. In this case, the image is PD only if it was taken by a military photographer. Any other photographer, including a non-photographer member of the military using his own camera, or a journalist, holds a copyright. Since the site does not give credit to anyone, we cannot host it. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 09:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Yep, I meant photos tagged "(U.S. Air Force photo/Master Sgt. Jeremy Lock)" for example, versus "Courtesy photo from SSgt Snuffy". I could've not been lazy and worded it better, doh >.< -- Dainomite (talk) 12:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello !!

A Very Good Day to You   !!!

Please Delete this Photograph -> *,Photograph * is a Duplicate of Photograph ** Thank You.--MediaJet talk 12:53, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
@MediaJet:   Done - in case you didn't see the message at the top, INC is no longer an admin (hopefully a temporary situation). Green Giant (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
I see :[,thanks for the quick response Green   --MediaJet talk 15:35, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

RE: File:Christophore.JPG

The file is actually in use. I had to make a "null edit" on meta:User:Christophore so that that page can be properly displayed on the global usage list. Can you please withdraw Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Christophore.JPG? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:19, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I've marked the DR as withdrawn. An admin with DelReqHandler can close that and archive it. I've added a cat and quick description to the file too. Thanks again for fixing that. INeverCry 19:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Michaeldsuarez:   Done. Green Giant (talk) 19:37, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, the both of you. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 01:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Delete request

Would you like to delete all 180 files in this category. I have made mistake in the template. Thanks--Rašo  23:07, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

I dont have a [Delete] button anymore.   INeverCry 00:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Who can do it. Pls give me a user or bot. --Rašo  08:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

You could post the request at the administrators' noticeboard. INeverCry 08:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Raso mk:   Done. I've left the category but as it is now empty it might get deleted. Green Giant (talk) 09:02, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much--Rašo  10:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Random kittenage

Hope your week just past was wonderful and the upcoming weekend even better! Don't forget the first rule of cat: Sleep a lot! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:29, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, I certainly do my share of sleeping, but I don't have much choice with the medications I take.

Speaking of cats, I'm still feeding the mother cat and her sister every day. No visit from the kittens yet. The last ones disappeared, so I may never see them. I have neighbors on all sides who feed all the different feral cats, so one of them may grab up the kittens when they find them. I don't worry about it. I just make sure I keep my two fed.

Anyways, I hope you're ok too. I'm not too bad. I've been doing more reading and tweeting than commons/wiki editing lately. It's nice to switch things up now and then.   INeverCry 08:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

2-te Frage

Ещё раз прошу прощения. Может быть, Вы ещё покажете мне (место) ---> какова процедура выдвижения файлов на экспертную оценку (хорошее изображение). С поклоном, -- ( FinitoR ) 12:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Commons:Image guidelines. INeverCry 19:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Увы, но там я не нашёл. Где это волшебное место, куда файл нужно выдвигать (или задвинуть?) И нужно ли заполнять какую-то заявку? -- ( FinitoR ) 12:27, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Commons:Кандидаты в качественные изображения и Commons:Кандидаты в избранные изображения. INeverCry 23:32, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Ещё раз спасибо и простите за настойчивость. -- ( FinitoR ) 14:34, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Personally identifiable information

Hi: This is PII. Is it possible a speedy deletion or do we need a DR?. Thanks in advance.--Fixertool (talk) 14:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Since it was uploaded by the person themselves, I don't think there's a COM:IDENT problem. My concern would be that the photo is COM:DW and qualifies for speedy deletion. INeverCry 20:44, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!

I'd like to think about coming back, but after seeing some of what's been happening here in the last day or two, I'll need to put that decision off a while. Would much rather see the usual petty bickering than this. Funny, I know you're at en:WP, but we never seem to run into each other there. Right now, I mainly upload there--lots of film posters and things like that to be moved here eventually. Hope all's well with you too! :-) We hope (talk) 02:23, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Wow, that's a hell of a shake-up there! I've been sticking to license reviewing, sorting uncategorized images, and other quiet, enjoyable things myself.

I'm not off Commons much, unless it's to add images to articles on different wikis, but I noticed you over on en a little while ago. I was mostly surprised you had an actual user page!   As for me, I'm doing ok. I do some reading, some tweeting, and watch some movies now and then. My knee's a bit off, and it's been shitty out, so I've only been leaving the house for groceries and doctor visits. I'm still breathing though, so there's more right with me than wrong with me according to Jon Kabat-Zinn... INeverCry 07:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)


Welcome back! --MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Good to see you back. -- Geagea (talk) 22:31, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Nerd. Green Giant (talk) 00:50, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
  INeverCry 01:04, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah! Great to see you with the mop! Jianhui67 talkcontribs 04:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm happy too to see you active :) -- Christian Ferrer 07:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it's safe to get back in the water again :-)

Now that you've decided to get back into full swing here! I still feel bad about what happened recently and wish it hadn't ended as it did with either of them, but your change of mind/heart/clothes (pick one) :-) gives me hope for Commons!! We hope (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I think it is, and I hope to see you back here on a regular basis. As for me, I seem to have been designed especially for deletions, and with Fastily gone, perhaps I'll have a chance to eventually pass him up for 1st all time; only a couple hundred thousand deletions to go...   INeverCry 23:55, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Yay!! Just do me one favor... the next time you want to quit, go on vacation to somewhere exotic (like your own backyard) and come back in two weeks. Don't tell us you don't want to do it - just don't do it. Come back when you are "vacated"! I can't wait to see you pass Fastily's number (ha!) and know I'll never get from 13 to 1 so much fun watching someone do it from #2 (tries harder). Meanwhile keep those whiskers tidy and pet the kitties for me and it's all good! HUGS!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
It's funny you recommend my back yard, as that's where all the neighborhood cats go to p___ and s___, including the two I feed. I keep my trash can out there, right aside of my old rusty shed full of pieces of wood, tools, oil cans, black widows, etc, and only go out there on trash day.

The mother cat only lets me pet her occasionally, and her sister never. I don't mind, since I feed them for them and not myself. No sign of the kittens unfortunately.

As for quitting, I still hold that it should be done in the strangest most spontaneous ways possible. Magog has been really creative with his 59 day self-block, and I tip my cap to him. Fastily is a different story. He means business, and I doubt we'll see him again for a long time. I return the HUGS, but you'll have to turn aside your face to avoid the increasingly wild beard...   INeverCry 09:24, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


Please could you delete the older version of the file in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hannah Harper 02092463.jpg. FredWalsh (talk) 00:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 00:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Safe?? ha!

Please take a look at [5] for your opinion on the copyright of all those table tennis medals and etc. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 07:53, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

You have a talent for finding some horrid messes. This looks like photos of unknown authorship, and copyrighted medals, though I never deal with medals, so you may want check the country/policy. The photos of the medals may be copyvios themselves though. Kinda glad it's late-night snack and bed time for me... INeverCry 09:40, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
I know huh? Maybe that's why you nommed me for the mop? I'll look again after the weekend if you haven't already poked it. The next two days are our busiest of the entire year. HUGS! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

File:Teberda Nature Reserve emblem.svg

Hello! Tell me, the author has the right to load your file with a non-trivial image? See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Teberda Nature Reserve emblem.svg. Best regards, Лобачев Владимир (talk) 09:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

COM:CB#Trademarks, COM:TOO. Unless you own or represent the Teberda Nature Reserve, we'll need OTRS permission from the copyright holder for a complex logo like this. INeverCry 09:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
See Author:Лобачев Владимир. That I'm the author and I downloaded the file on Commons. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 10:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
The design of the logo comes from If you took out the animal, you'd have a {{Textlogo}}, but COM:OTRS/ru from would be needed to use the full logo with the animal design. INeverCry 21:24, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


Hi, could you please restore File:Navje-Ljubljana.JPG (per Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Navje, the architecture dates to 1865). Sorry for the mess. Regards, --Eleassar (t/p) 06:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 06:06, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Also File:Navje, le parc commémoratif (Ljubljana) (9401745160).jpg depicts the same building. --Eleassar (t/p) 06:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  Done INeverCry 06:16, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. --Eleassar (t/p) 06:22, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Deletion policy

Could you please provide details of why you deleted the following files this morning, including the identity of the uploader, how these deletions meet Commons:Deletion requests and which deletion notice was used? I note that all files were deleted with the comment "uploader request".

I find these of particular interest as I batch uploaded a large number of images from this source a couple of years ago and these files are on my watchlist, though I am presuming that I was not the uploader as I have not requested deletion.

I note that 3 days ago in your request for sysop rights on the 'crats noticeboard, you stated "So I'm here to request my sysop right back. I'll handle 10,000+ deletions per month with few errors, and I'll stay away from Russavia and stay out of the WMF's way on that." Should these deletions not meet that commitment, then I ask that you undelete the images and put standard deletion notices on the files, in line with standard process, if you feel it appropriate.

Thanks -- (talk) 07:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I deleted these via request by Russavia through Category:Files uploaded by Russavia (delete). The 40 files I deleted were added to the category by him (his confirmed locked socks).

What I meant at BN was that I have no intention of fighting with him by blocking his socks, rolling back his edits, or deleting his new uploads. He himself emailed me a while back about Category:Files uploaded by Russavia (delete), after I had deleted it as an empty category, and he re-created it soon after that email. I did those 40 deletions yesterday because I see no reason to leave them sitting there, and thought it would be uncontroversial since I've deleted files from that category before. If you or Scott think I should leave that category alone as well, I can do that. INeverCry 21:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I read "I'll stay away from Russavia" as including all Russavia's uploads to Commons. These deletions were out of process, we rarely accept "uploader request" as a rationale for deletion when the images have been hosted for years. Russavia is office banned, so long as he is not actively socking (as far as I am aware, this seems the case at the moment), your commitment could be read as little else. Many Commons contributors have decided that everything Russavia has ever done, and everyone he has ever worked with, is/are controversial. As the time of your most recent quit from Commons, it was deleting Russavia's images out of process that was controversial and remains a cloud over both your quit, as you immediately became unavailable to be held to account to resolve the controversy you created, and your subsequent return of sysop powers without a reconfirmation RFA which otherwise would have been an appropriate point when these issues could have been talked through.
Please undelete these images and if necessary someone can create deletion requests for them. As a matter of good governance, you can avoid creating further controversy through your admin actions by avoiding all Russavia's past work including this category. In my view, having checked a couple of the originals at the source, they include good quality images that are within project scope even if just for illustrative or humorous reuse, making these deletions unsuitable for speedy deletion, let alone out of process deletions which I would expect all administrators to avoid unless there are urgent privacy issues. Had the photographer objected then I would hold a different viewpoint.
I have not discussed these with Russavia and I do not intend to.
P.S. I never use Russavia's real name on Commons, a courtesy I extend to everyone and something that I presume trusted users such as yourself are in tune with.
Thanks -- (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  Done I've restored all files. I'll avoid Russavia's uploads completely in future as you suggest to avoid any further controversy. INeverCry 21:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

:) Hello :) Can you help me please? :)

How does one add catageories to files that they already uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? Thank you for your support in advance. From, the friendly Doorknob 747 (talk) 00:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC). :)

I use Help:Gadget-HotCat and Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot, both of which can be enabled in your Preferences (in the Gadgets tab). INeverCry 00:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks INever😭. ⬅ please do not take that as a insult. I lime to be funny sometimes. Thanks. Doorknob 747 (talk) 00:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I added the categories can you check if they went all right? Doorknob 747 (talk) 00:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Category:Stacks of coins was fine. INeverCry 01:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

"İrmik helvası" (a semolina-based dessert) from the Turkish cuisine, with a ball of ice cream. They are accompanied by a glass of Turkish tea, all for you.

For the upgrade. I hope you're not putting a too heavy burden on my shoulders. I would not like to see you cry for the first time for a terrible mistake that I may commit. --E4024 (talk) 07:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't cry over mistakes. I actually like mistakes. The bigger the better; they're often worth a good laugh. You should see some of the stupid shit I've done here and on Wikipedia...   INeverCry 07:29, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Now that I have been promoted... ready for five questions a day! :-) I was trying to make a "Category:Octopus dishes" but was a little confused to see that we have "Octopus (food)" and "Octopus based food". Should I better turn the steering wheel towards a "Category:Octopus dishes of Turkey"? (I have added 3 pics, of two different dishes.) --E4024 (talk) 08:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

You can use Category:Octopus dishes of Tunisia as an example. INeverCry 08:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Kappelhof Laubenheim

Ich finde es nicht so gut dieses Bild so schnell zu löschen. Eine Genehmigung liegt vor, kann ich dir zukommen lassen. Aber wenn du meinst das hätte wirklich seine Richtigkeit, wäre ich dir sehr dankbar, wenn ich dafür dann jetzt auch mal eine Begründung bekäme. Danke im voraus und Gruß --Nixnubix (talk) 23:10, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

It would be better to speak to Wdwd since he's an OTRS member and tagged this image as having insufficient permission. INeverCry 23:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I warned you :)

Now that I am a patroller, I must be more careful in everything I do. I had loaded this file time ago, do you see any problem with its title or definition? File:Gazpacho-E4024.jpg (In English: Gazpacho made by a WP editor.) I made a gazpacho, last summer, and it was very delicious. Is this not acceptable? --E4024 (talk) 08:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks fine to me.   INeverCry 20:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Please delete

Have been working with this for 2+ weeks (Nielsen) and see that these are not in the PD in the US, while they are in Denmark. First try with Danish licenses. Thanks! We hope (talk) 00:00, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 00:39, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Nielsen photos have been very difficult-you find enough of them, but they're not in one PD or another. So many have no reliable information re: dating or who took the photo. We now have 1 portrait photo of him which is PD in the US but perhaps not in other countries, and that after working through many books, etc. at HathiTrust for some time. Will be glad when the en FAC is sorted out, believe me! :-D We hope (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Jc4xcat

Hi, I was explaining this new contributor what to do, and some of these files were already corrected. May I undelete them? Regards, Yann (talk) 09:02, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Sure you can. INeverCry 19:57, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Sysop again

Why am I not surprised?   (I was away for a short trip thus missed your promotion.) People here say "hoe ouder, hoe wijzer" (the older, the wiser). I sincerely hope you learned from the past times and that you will now take it easy and slow. Promised? Trijnsteltalk 00:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'm pushing 40 and the wisdom hasn't caught up with me yet. Maybe at 50? As for taking it easy, I'll give it a try, but do you really want a promise from me of all people?  

PS. Did you notice the recent visit to Commons by Grawp? INeverCry 01:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I did not, thanks.   Trijnsteltalk 14:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for the "autopatrolled user right". Mwaldeck msg 03:32, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of File:Tesla's_Lightning_Rod.jpg

Hi, you deleted this file however the correct licensing is at the bottom of the webpage (this user approached the IRC help channel and we assisted them in applying the correct usage licence to the page, I'm going to reupload on their behalf. AlexJFox (talk) 15:18, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

I see the CC license at bottom, but why does it say "this image"? Which image? There's more than one image on the page. Why doesn't he say "these images"? I would suggest you take this to COM:UDEL to be sure about restoration. INeverCry 20:27, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

INeverCry Sorry.?!

  1. INeverCry. IF you want delete my foto your need "read" - Discussion:

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Klausvienresh --Klausvienresh (talk) 17:00, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

INeverCry, Can you sum up this discussion, please ? --Klausvienresh (talk) 17:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
I deleted one file from that large DR, File:XRcuywzFiXc.jpg, as a derivative of the album covers pictured. INeverCry 19:25, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Unnecessaryly deleted

Here are three images that you have deleted without any reason – unfortunately the information given by the requestor was wrong. See my notes there.

Can you please reinstate these images? It's a pitty to have them deleted without any reason.

Better to ask persons who are familiar with the architecture of Albania before deleting them. It seems that User:Glorious 93 has not enough knowledge for substantial deletion requests. --Albinfo (talk) 17:38, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Only a small number of admins here are willing to deal with deletions. This means we don't have time to investigate every request. If I don't see keep votes with good rationales, I usually close a deletion request as delete. It's safer for Commons, in case the photo is a copyvio, which it usually is, and if not, the photo can be easily restored. I think from now on though, I'm going to do FoP deletions only when the necessary author info is present. When I do FoP nominations myself, I always find and include this info.

I've restored the first two since the author died in 1941 which is 70+ years since death. What's the author's death date for the other building? It may be best to take any further cases to COM:UDEL where people have the time to find all the needed author info, or you can post the image names here with the author name and date of death. INeverCry 20:19, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! --Albinfo (talk) 07:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

File:Squatting UDDT (Tamil language) (4270556805).jpg

Could you please undelete and convert to a DR? Has this not been speedy deleted so quickly, I would have done this myself. There are many language variations of this material on Commons and our contact at SuSanA may be able to confirm how the image was donated, as it seems to have been created for their project as part of the Alliance. -- (talk) 10:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 18:58, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of Escudo del Partido Justicialista, without checking an old discussion about it

Hi. I noted that you deleted a svg file I uploaded some months ago. There was a discussion before, regarding the alleged copyright in that. It is my work, derived of a "coat of arms" of a political party that is using it for decades.

This is the old discussion around the subject. Can you please read it and restore the file? I don't want to upload it again. And, if you need it, I can get an official statement from the Partido Justicialista.


Canopus49 (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

  Restored INeverCry 19:01, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Unnecessarily defended

Can you please have look at the file File:Smyrna-turkish soldiers-heads-massacre 1922.jpg and the discussion around it? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 06:59, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I guess they're going off of the note written on the photo itself? A better source needs to be found, which is a serious challenge, and perhaps what we call a "wild goose chase". The file is in use on in their decapitation article which isn't terribly problematic; the uses include a user talk archive, a DYK archive from a 2011 entry, and an article talk page, so no pressing issue there. INeverCry 07:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry but the case of UK and RU WPs is different. Both of them use the file in article space and my rm edit thereat has not been confirmed since many days, keeping the files in those articles. --E4024 (talk) 07:59, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
You'd have to find admins or people with the editor right on both projects to check edits. I myself am autopatrolled on both, so my edits usually go through right away, but sometimes I see articles with a lot of unchecked edits. I've seen some writer articles on with pending edits that're two or three years old. INeverCry 18:52, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I am going to cry then. --E4024 (talk) 12:12, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


Is there any reason this file can't be moved to Commons and receive a {{PD-United Arab Emirates stamp}} license? Dr. B. has tried to use the license but it doesn't work at en:WP. The following Abu Dhabi stamps are here with this license:

If this works, I'll move the file here and use the license tag above for it. Thanks! We hope (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

That should be fine since it shows pre-1977 stamps. INeverCry 21:40, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! It will be here in a minute or two, thus ending the hassle over there. :-)We hope (talk) 21:50, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Regarding deletion of File:Bandera_de_la_ciudad_de_Gualeguaychu.jpg

hello. i found that you deleted the file Bandera_de_la_ciudad_de_Gualeguaychu.jpg because it had no Licensing, i want to tell you that the flag is under public domain and CANT be copyrighted.

that file need to be undeleted and wear this licenses

{{PD-AR-Gov}} {{Insignia}}

wich are: {{PD-AR-Gov}}

as you can see is not just on public domain but also CANT be included as subject to copyright.

I understand that the file might have missing the apropiate licences. and for that was the right desition to remove it from commons, but if you can help me to restore it. the flag creator is: Francisco Melchiori (“Yaguarisito”) who competed with the flag and won, so the flag is now the official gualeguaychú flag since the legislative authority of gualeguaychú aproved it. and since that by the lay 11.723 the flag is not included as subject to copyright, and since is a image regulated by a edict of a government is also public domain on the US.

I dont know wich details did the uploader put on the description when uploading the file. (those may be subject to review/change) but the flag per se should be allowed to be at commons.

i think i didnt miss any info, so i hope you can help us to recover that file. thank you in advance. --WiZaRd SaiLoR (talk) 03:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

The government of Gualeguaychú is the source of the file, you can see at the oficial government of gualeguaychu website [6] that this is the official facebook account of the mayor of the city [7], where the image was published, (you can see it also on his twitter account [8]) the government of Gualeguaychú is the source of the image file. wich cant be subject to copyright--WiZaRd SaiLoR (talk) 04:11, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
  Done INeverCry 05:37, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you!

  The Basement Kitty Barnstar
Thanks for your support from pre-RFA to today. Kitteh reminds you to take vacations and naps whenever possible. We need you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:41, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ellin. Have you done anything bureaucratic yet?   INeverCry 05:49, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
I subscribed to the mailing list & made a barnstar template.   Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:59, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


Thank you for your positive vote at Commons:Bureaucrats/Requests/Jameslwoodward. I will do my best to live up the trust you have put in me. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

A reminder

Please make sure to remember that when you delete a duplicate file (i.e. File:FA-18E of VFA-81 taking off from USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) in May 2015.JPG) you should make a redirect. Not yelling at you, just a friendly nudge. Thanks. Revent (talk) 12:03, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

User:BUJJU SUBI copyright violations

Can you delete all the images uploaded by BUJJU SUBI (talk · contribs) as likely copyright violations? I sampled File:Food 10.jpg and File:Foood 7.jpg randomly and both are copyright violations of [9] and [10] ("Sukhi’s Today"), respectively. Thanks. Seattle (talk) 01:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 03:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Imagen impropia y falsa

File:1F5B6800D.jpg, su creación es mediante photohop y es totalmente erronea, solo para la utilización como ofensa. Por favor si puedes borrar y sancionar a su creador de lo agradecería. Gracias. AS-W (talk) 22:51, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 23:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

  Thank the greater and lesser gods that you are back again! Commons did not function nearly as well without you! I will sacrifice 30 sheep, 20 goats and 5 oxen at the altar tonight because the gods have clearly answered my prayers! Time to take off my sackcloth! One of my wives prepared that cup of tea for you... enjoy! Dontreader (talk) 00:39, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Only 5 oxen?   INeverCry 00:42, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Unblocking question

Hi. I was recently contacted by user Philip Folkesson who requested that I unblock him. he expressed regrets and explained that this occurred early in his wiki experience. He has since become a productive member and even an admin on sv.wp. Since he was blocked from editing his own user talk page he couldn't request the unblock directly. As the blocking admin I just wanted to check with you first before unblocking him. With SUL renamings the history is a bit confusing but the original discussions/blocks were this and this. Cheers /Lokal_Profil 09:58, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, if I remember right, there may have been a couple more socks. The main concern was his uploading of copyvio race car images from more than one account. If he's committed to avoiding this behavior, I have no problem with his account being unblocked. INeverCry 20:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply. Now unblocked. /Lokal_Profil 13:29, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Please restore "Naturschutzgebiet" categories

Hi, you've just deleted 30 empty categories of nature reserves ("Naturschutzgebiet") in Germany. Most probably these were part of a coherent and complete system of categories for all the nature reserves in Baden-Württemberg or other regions of Germany. It was created for WLE but is still useful regardless of the competition, the more so because there are links from de.wp pages to these categories. Please restore the categories' state before the deletion requests. A lot of work has gone into categorization, links and templates. Also, please make sure that no "empty" (not really!) Naturschutzgebiet category gets deleted in the future. --Sitacuisses (talk) 06:57, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

These categories were all created at least one month ago, and never populated. I'm going to decline restoring them. I don't see the sense in restoring 30 or more empty categories with no specific indication of when or if they'll be populated. I would suggest taking this request to COM:UDEL. The full list of deleted categories can be found in my deletion log. INeverCry 21:04, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
This is a very short-sighted decision that, in my opion, deserves to be treated as vandalism. Lots of these formerly empty categories were filled during the last weeks, several photographers spent their time to take pictures of nature reserves with empty categories. Now INeverCry steps in to put an end to a collective project. You should be ashamed of yourself. Not to mention the time and effort spent to find out and correct the local categories, and the proper external links for the nature reserves. --Sitacuisses (talk) 03:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC) Thanks for your time-wasting nonsense. Not. --Sitacuisses (talk) 04:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

A huge thank you

I just came along to say thank you for your countless reviews of my video uploads. I can't stress who much I appreciate it. Best matanya talk 20:21, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Autopatroller ‎rights

Hello! Thank you very much for adding autopatroller ‎group membership to my account, it means a lot to see that my contributions to Commons haven't gone unnoticed. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Film trailer problem

Have a look at Category:Something for the Boys (film). I've sent the 3 B&W photos to DR because the film is still under copyright-you can see the details on the DR pages. As for the 7 screenshots, the uploader's source is at YouTube; neither IMDB nor TCM have copies of the trailer on their websites. If you check the link and look to the right, you'll see the entire film has been uploaded there. Since it's still under copyright, either YT hasn't discovered the vio or the copyright information was removed by the YT member prior to upload.

I'm dubious about whether the trailer had no copyright because I've seen ones uploaded to places like Internet Archive which had no notice, but when you viewed copies of the trailer at IMDB and TCM, both copies there had notices in exactly the same spots. Where do we go from here? Thanks! We hope (talk) 17:06, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

The YouTube uploader had to have gotten the trailer from somewhere. Is there any way or place to find an original copy? INeverCry 20:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
The places that usually have original trailers are IMDB and TCM. Since home video and cable, the old trailers are sometimes used for promotion of a video release or airing of a film. Some of the trailers are "recycled" like this and some are modified to tell people when they can get the film on DVD, etc. A while back, I needed to check on some screenshots we had here for an en:WP FLC. There was only one place to view it (I think it was on YT) and when I did, you could see that the trailer had been redone/altered as it promoted the film's DVD release. If you view the trailer for this on YT, it looks like something has been added to the last portion of it. Just when you think it's done, the clock says there's about a minute more to go and you get what may be another trailer for the film. We hope (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
A little more looking. DVD "Only problem I had is in the EXTRA FEATURES: The "STILL GALLERY" feature in my copy doesn't allow my access to it...used two different DVD players and both had the same problem. The Film, Scenes, Trailer, and the SUPERB DOCUMENTARY are no problem." "The print of the film is superb and the extras excellent including production and marketing stills and the original trailer." From Amazon customer reviews of the DVD. We hope (talk) 21:24, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
@We hope: Unrelated, but check this out: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Danishefsky endiine is.svg; tell me if that comment I answered "huh?" to isn't laughably confusing? I got a chuckle out of it. INeverCry 01:12, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Wow-makes me feel like I should have read the book before seeing the movie! :-D We hope (talk) 01:57, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
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