Commons:Village pump/Archive/2018/05

File:Barnstar Nazi.png …

… contains the Imperial Eagle with Swastika, but isn’t tagged as such. --84.61.221.211 15:37, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I tagged it as such. You could have done the same.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 15:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

On the German Wikipedia reference desk, there is a controversial discussion about this file. --84.61.221.211 18:18, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

… and the section is Wikipedia-Auszeichnung. Later it will quite probably be archived in archive for 2018, week 18. — Speravir – 23:53, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: --Speravir 23:53, 5 May 2018 (UTC) – Sorted out for now.

Unexpected warning from ordinary user: "Copyright violations ... This is your last warning". What action is required ?

Recently I've received the following template message from a non-privilege ordinary user.

{{autotranslate|base=end of copyvios/heading}} {{autotranslate|base=end of copyvios|1=Jeff G.}}

For the eight years since I came here, I've already uploaded/transferred nearly 10,000 files mainly from other Wikipedia/Flickr etc, and I didn't cause large trouble about copyright violations. So, I can't understand above message. Especially I can't understand a sentence "This is your last warning". What action is appropriate in this situation ? --Clusternote (talk) 01:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Clusternote: I am sorry for causing you distress. I removed the subject section.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 11:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

welcome to commons. the adversive communication via template is the refuge of the uncollaborative. 3 files in six months = what a joke. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 03:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Apparently you are the one who left the notice, so you may want to weigh in. - Jmabel ! talk 04:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jmabel: We are discussing it on my user talk page. I removed the subject section.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 11:36, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Clusternote: Given that you've been here eight years, and I know you are reasonably active here, you must been able to work out whmo this came from, why not address him directly? - Jmabel ! talk 04:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

• I now see you did also address him directly on his talk page, and with entirely reasonable remarks. - Jmabel ! talk 04:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Unless I'm missing something, and I take licensing as serious as anyone, that seems unnecessary. There are a lot more users trying to actively violate licensing policy then this case. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 05:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

lacking an apology, this deletionist editor has lost all credibility. and where is the warning not to make block threats? unless he thinks he is inevercry. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 12:29, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Slowking4: Why, exactly, are you trying to ramp up the level of conflict in a situation where the parties involved seem now to be calming down and discussing matters? - Jmabel ! talk 15:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

because you think a "never mind" is sufficient for a false threat of blocking; i do not. either provide some civility enforcement here in this case, or expect no civility. there is a reason this place has a bad reputation. here is your warning Template:Be civil final or you could try a "please check your account, you may have been hacked" face-saver. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 22:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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We're done here. Clusternote and JeffG, thanks for working it out. Slowking, I suggest you heed Jmabel's comment on your behavior. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:12, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Speravir 00:03, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata cruft comes into Commons

Category:Knitted graffiti now has an infobox that claims Finland as a location, because Wikidata associates it with Finland, citing the Finnish Wikipedia as a reference. I can't read Finnish, but I'm very suspicious of the claim that this is originally a Finnish thing. Can anyone think how best to follow this up, both in this particular case and in terms of what we can do as cruft like this will inevitably start coming in with these infoboxes? - Jmabel ! talk 22:41, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jmabel: The best thing to do is to improve the Wikidata entry. fiwp has an 'embassy' where you can ask for help without having to speak/read Finnish - see fi:Wikipedia:Lähetystö. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• I've left a note there. - Jmabel ! talk 23:07, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, it is because of Special:Diff/258450850/299138360 which gives the hint for 'yarn bombing' (Q579816) where it had to be changed.— Speravir – 23:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

(Edit conflict with Mike Peel, now a bit below this.)

 Done as long as this is not reverted: d:Special:Diff/672255013/672255236. — Speravir – 23:05, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Another case is the infobox in Category:London Stones which states these stones are an island I wasn't sure what to do about this either Oxyman (talk) 22:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

  @Oxyman: It looks like it's already been fixed on Wikidata at d:Q6670815. You might need to purge the commons page to see it in the infobox right now (the cache can take a while to update). I know the edit link isn't very obvious at the moment, there's an ongoing discussion (and a sandbox demo of a possible solution) at Template_talk:Wikidata_Infobox#Where_is_the_edit_button? - suggestions welcome. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:03, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

  (e/c) I changed the instance of London Stone (Q6670815) to boundary marker (Q921099), but that does not fix the problem. The category London Stones is about a class of boundary markers that marked London, but London Stone is just one of them. Glrx (talk) 23:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

In general, don't be afraid to change Wikidata claims that have been imported automatically. They basically have the lowest form of credibility. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 23:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

More generally with this issue, this kind of thing is expected - Wikidata isn't perfect, and there will be errors that need to be fixed both on Wikidata and at the source (if that's other Wikipedias/Wikimedia sites), and there's a lot of info that can be added to Wikidata (the bot is adding a few infoboxes that are quite empty, but will expand as the Wikidata entry does, and you might see various Q-numbers if there isn't an available label in your language or in English). We do gain a huge amount through the info that's already on Wikidata, though, and the multilingual-ness of that info. Plus any changes that are made to Wikidata as a result of the infoboxes here will benefit all of the other places that are also using Wikidata info (different language Wikipedias and elsewhere - and in particular, in file pages here that currently use, or will use, Wikidata info). We're coming up to 80,000 uses of the infobox now, so if there are general bugs/issues that need to be fixed now, then please say so! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

• Also Category:Museums in London a category for all museums in London has an infobox for the Museum of London which is Just one museum in London, I now know I can edit the information at wikidata but this is not helpful in this case Oxyman (talk) 00:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

  @Oxyman: fixed. The infobox uses the information in the Wikidata entry that's linked to using category's main topic (P301) - and if that's wrong, then you can just remove that link. I'm always happy to help sort out such issues, though, just let me know about them. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

May 01

Discussion about wich category to use by historic countries

Discussion on my personal page started with: Category:Horse-drawn carriages in Austria-Hungary

Hi Smiley.toerist. I see you have created this new category but do you understand that because you have done that you must finish its tree right up to the end. If you cannot do that I plan to revert your edit. OK?

The reason for reverting your edit is that you have broken the system and I am trying - over days of work so far – to put it back together. Please would your revert your edit if you are unwilling to create all the categories for this "new" country. Thank you, Eddaido (talk) 09:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

As a rule al South-Tirol images from before 1919 are also put into the Austria-Hungary categories. The regional categories are no problem. South-Tirol was not part of Italy, but of Austria-Hungary empire. After WW I the region was annexed by Italy. I created other Austria-Hungary categories such as Category:Photochrom prints collection (Austria-Hungary). I will look upp the tree to make it complete.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:23, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Do you choose to fail to understand or must I explain the problem more carefully? Eddaido (talk) 10:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

OK non sequitur for non sequitur. Do you really not understand why there is a problem? Eddaido (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

No because for me a country is also defined by time. In South-Tirol everything from before 1918 is Austria-Hungary and after that Italy. The region switched countries. Otherwise you can use the presentday country. Under wich country wil you classify images of the Crimea? Ukraine, Russia or the Sovjet Union? In most cases one takes the easy way out and just use the local Crimea categories.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't read And understand the last sentence of your last message. (vide "I will look upp the tree to make it complete.") It would be so much simpler to leave the place in whichever nation it is at present. There are so many former arrangements very like Austria-Hungary all round the world recognising them makes this categorising very difficult. I look forward with interest to see what you achieve. If you come up with something rational there's no use in me complaining any further. Lot of typing for you though. Eddaido (talk) 10:40, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

The problem is in practice not that great. The number of images/files from before 1919 in the 'annexed' region are limited. All the rest and current images can all use Italy categories.

Yes, good point (time or period) and always well understood. I'd like to see political re-arrangements accounted for but to do so would mean an enormous inflation of categories. e.g. Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia . . . Have you adjusted the categories at issue to suit your views? If you haven't may I suggest you identify but feed back e.g. South-Tirol to Italy just because that is the current arrangement. Otherwise carrying your plans to a logical conclusion means creating a new country for the region of your concern and a large number of new categories - I suspect you are unaware of the sheer volume of categories, I look forward to seeing that. Eddaido (talk) 11:07, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm not American (or European) and there was a chill about South-Tirol that I liked when I've passed through. Do you think this topic should be discussed where a consensus of quite a number of editors can be reached? Eddaido (talk) 11:28, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Sovjet Union, Ottoman empire are not really problematic as they divided themselves up in new countries and the presentday countries can be used. Only really specific things such as maps have to connected to the earlier countries. I see more problems with moving borders such as between Germany, Poland and Russia. There are two separate categories for Category:Königsberg (German period) and Category:Kaliningrad (Sovjet union, Russia, it was attached to Russia in Sovjet times after occupation) Its not even the same population or language, most Germans where expelled. The reality is often messy.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:54, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

This means no category named Czechoslovakia? Eddaido (talk) 10:00, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Of course there are Czechovakia categories as there is Category:Horse-drawn carriages in Slovakia. I suggest you put Horse-drawn carriages in Prague and other Czech cities in Category:Horse-drawn carriages in the Czech Republic. There are typical Czechoslovakian categories such as Category:ČSAD and Category:ČSD (the Czechoslovakian national bus and rail compagnies who later split up. Another category time split is between Category:Coastal tram, Belgium and Category:NMVB/SNCV Coastline(until 1991). Its not always clear cut. Category:Tramparade 125 year vicinal railways are pictures taken in 2010 after the vicinal period, but subject is of course the vicinal railway. There are no hard rules but we do the best we can.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

I quote "Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Sovjet Union, Ottoman empire are not really problematic as they divided themselves up in new countries". I read that to mean Czechoslovakia you want divided up. Your response ("Of course there are Czechovakia categories") leaves me very puzzled. And then at the end you add "There are no hard rules but we do the best we can."?? Eddaido (talk) 11:26, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Lets start again:

• In principle the presentday countries in the 'by country categories' are used unless it can cause confusion for historic images. (99 % of cases)
• Slovakia was a region within Czechoslovakia. It is stil Slovakia also in earlier times. If you go further back to 1919 it was part of the Austria-Hungary nation. There is no confusion because 'Slovakia' refers in this case to a 'historic' region within Czechoslovakia and Austria-Hungary.
• With annexation of a region by another country, there is a clear break in the nationality of the region. After 1919 the South Tirol region is no longer Austria-Hungarian (Austrian part) but Italian.
• If a subject is clearly linked to a specific country (also historic) the country category is used. Examples are flags, symbols, maps, banknotes, poststamps, national companies, etc

Within the Commons there is no authority to impose rules. (Wih the exception of the WMF about license matters. Wich files can be uploaded) Rules and practices evolve gradualy as 'best practice' with a maximun of freedom, so there is a lot of variation. When there is a conflict it can be resolved with a voting procedure within the community. But mostly a concensus develops. So the rules stated above is my view of best practice. That is why I wil move the discussion to the Village Pump for the input of others.Smiley.toerist (talk) 18:38, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

• I've occasionally wondered whether Category:Taiwan vs Category:Republic of China vs Category:Republic of China (1912-1949) vs Category:China vs Category:People's Republic of China makes any sense. It's a nicely complicated situation in any case. --ghouston (talk) 23:36, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
• When categorizing a file into a geographical region, is it a) undesirable b) desirable c) required d) forbidden e) desirable or undesirable depending on what's depicted in the file, to also categorize it into the state that controlled that territory at the time associated with the file? --ghouston (talk) 23:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
  • You avoid most problems if an regionale category is used: in this case Category:Postcards of Trentino-South Tyrol is also used. However if a 'by country' category is used it has to be a presentday country or an historic country.Smiley.toerist (talk) 19:11, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

By the way: one file of the Category:Horse-drawn carriages in Austria-Hungary was recategorised as an Italy category because in 1902 the Veneto region was Italian. In older history this region also belonged to Austria.Smiley.toerist (talk) 19:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

April 30

Help identifying this cactus

Can anyone help me identify, or point me in the right direction of where I could find the appropriate help to identify This cactus found in Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area? Thank you, Sixflashphoto (talk) 15:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I do not know, whether there’s such a page in enwiki, but in dewiki you could ask for indication in de:Wikipedia:Redaktion Biologie/Bestimmung (there seems to be another one in French WP), but I also do not know, whether English questions are welcome there. — Speravir – 21:44, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants should be a good place to ask. - Jmabel ! talk 23:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC) with a small fix by Speravir – 00:08, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

That looks like Echinocereus engelmannii to me. See Category:Echinocereus engelmannii in Joshua Tree National Park. --Jarekt (talk) 17:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Thank you everyone for the help. Sixflashphoto (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sixflashphoto: I was looking for a "what is this ___" venue on a Wikimedia site a while back, too. There didn't seem to be one for what I was looking for, and not a lot of people responding. Someone pointed me to Reddit, however, where I discovered /r/whatsthisplant. I've submitted a few things there and they've been quite helpful. — Rhododendrites ^talk |  20:24, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Statues on interior columns of Berlin's Marienkirche

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All I really know about these statues is that they are attached to the interior columns of Berlin's Marienkirche. They look to me to be late medieval, and I suspect that there is some significance to them as a group. Does someone know more? - Jmabel ! talk 08:36, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

I cannot really help, but did you know 'St. Mary's Church' (Q679101)? — Speravir – 22:05, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

In de:Marienkirche (Berlin-Mitte) there’s an interesting sentence: „Nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg gelangten zahlreiche Kunstgegenstände aus der zerstörten Nikolaikirche und der ebenfalls zerstörten Franziskanerklosterkirche in die Marienkirche.“ (“After the Second World War, numerous works of art from the destroyed Nikolaikirche and the also destroyed Franziskanerklosterkirche has been brought into in the Marienkirche.”; I found also an external source not mentioning names of churches), cf. 'St. Nicholas' Church' (Q679052) and 'Franziskaner-Klosterkirche' (Q1450212). — Speravir – 22:30, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I am familiar with the churches in question and with the (rather skimpy) English- and German-language articles. There are lots of things in the church, with origins ranging over nearly 8 centuries. What I'm trying to find out about is these particular statues. - Jmabel ! talk 22:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Joe, it may well be, that we can see them in this historical image (Berlin Franziskaner Klosterkirche BusB.jpg) also embedded on top/right. But I have another idea: I could ask for you in dewiki’s de:WP:Auskunft. (Sebastian, hast Du noch ’ne andere Idee?) — Speravir – 00:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Pretty sure those aren't the ones: note that (1) none of the ones I photographed have halos, whereas the ones at top in the Franciscan church do; (2) the ones I photographed seem to be statues, while the Franciscan ones are almost certainly high reliefs; (3) although it's hard to tell for sure in a grainy photo, I think the Franciscan ones are not so finely worked.

Yes, de:WP:Auskunft might be a place to ask, or en:WP:Reference desk. I'll probably try the English-language reference desk first: my English is native, and while I read German decently, I write it poorly. - Jmabel ! talk 05:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I can not really contribute anything here, except that I don't think the statues can be seen in the historic image. These statues are free-standing, while the statues in the image are mounted directly to the wall. The two statues on the cross beam don't seem to match any of the pictures. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 10:48, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

One thing I find interesting that these are partially seem to be profane statues, especially the first ones. The second one actually looks like 'Sigurd' (Q537554) from the 'Nibelungenlied' (Q131554), which is neither really associated with Berlin and Prussia in general, nor particularly Christian. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 10:58, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree that secular is likely: no halos, as I noted above. - Jmabel ! talk 13:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Where? Ah, Humanities subdesk, en:WP:RD/H. I think, Jmabel, you could write in English in the Auskunft, too, and some contributors would also answer in English, especially if you’d provide some explanation; there maybe some unpleasant reactions of the usual troll suspects, but these should be ignored then (though there are people not understanding English or at least not very well). Sebari, I think it’s nonetheless useful. — Speravir – 22:14, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

i did not find much scholarship online. only that the works were a collection from destroyed churches in Berlin. might need some art history help offline, and find the monograph to make any factual statements. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 15:23, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

How many thanks are given per day on Commons?

Hi all!

I am designing an app that notifies people when they receive a "Thank" on Commons.

But now I am wondering: How often do people actually receive "thanks"?

How often do you receive thanks (I mean via the integrated "Thanks" tool)?

Even better, are there any statistics available about that? I am interested specifically in the Commons wiki.

Thanks! :-) Syced (talk) 05:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

You can find all "thanks" here: Special:Log. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 11:02, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

It seems redundant considering the notifier does this already. --Fæ (talk) 13:42, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@Syced: I got 11 in the past week. The public log is specifically here, but it doesn't say what the thanks are for.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 14:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks all! My next concern: Are most of these thanks for talk page space, or for metadata edition, or for uploads? Our Android app lets people upload pictures, and shows how many thanks they have received. But it seems that not many pictures receive thanks. Actually, I think all of the thanks I have received were for talk page discussions rather than for my uploads, I fear. Jeff what percentage of the thanks you receive are for your uploads? Thanks! :-) Syced (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

@Syced: None of the thanks I got this past week were for actual uploads. They were mostly for edits to noticeboards and other types of talk pages, and some were for edits to file description pages. I don't do much uploading here, and my uploads don't get much notice.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 03:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

That's what I was fearing... thanking someone for an upload is not something people do often, it seems, even through uploads can be considered as the most important action on Commons. We might try to implement an Instagram-like feed where people scroll pictures and thank or report pictures as appropriate. Syced (talk) 04:16, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

it is a cultural problem that there is not much positive feedback for uploading. not much metrics of uploaders (featured or images in use) either. thanks are designed for edit history feedback, rather than upload feedback of "special:list files". you could leave barnstars, or start a project of fun and positive feedback for significant uploaders. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 15:13, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

In a way it's also a technical problem. There is no easy way to "like" an image. If you come across a nice image (and usually you come across a lot of them), you'd have to look through the version history and the thank the uploader there. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

there are no likes here BECAUSE WE ARE NOT FACEBOOK. thanks are only tolerated because it is hidden away on notifications. you could thank for uploads by reviewing a photographer's uploads, right click, click history, and thank. if you had a tool to review a photo feed and thank with a button push, i would use it. write a script or suggest it over at meta. you should be able to filter notifications by file space? Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 15:32, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

It would be far more useful for me, to have a simple "share" plug-in to tweet Commons images so they display on Twitter; i.e. a button that drops me into my Twitter account with a draft tweet with the Commons page URL and a ~1000px wide thumbnail as an attachment. This would have far more public impact than the odd thanks or barnstar. Anyone care to put that together for a summer-coding project? --Fæ (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

May 02

Error in text for search

Our search instructions refer to "comma seperated" instead of "comma separated". I have no idea what to edit to fix this. - Jmabel ! talk 05:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Gadget-advanced-search.js, which inherited the typo from User:Bawolff/advancedSearch.js. Resolved, but you may need to purge your cache to see the fix. Storkk (talk) 13:17, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Adjusting time

I seem to remember we have a template to note when EXIF time is for the wrong time zone, and come up with a time adjusted accordingly, or at least note the amount of the discrepancy. I'm not readily finding it. Anyone else know which it would be? - Jmabel ! talk 05:25, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I found Category:Exif time is 1 hour higher, but that seems to be an ad hoc category. I've never noticed a template for that, but it's something I would have easily glossed over, so that's not saying much. Storkk (talk) 13:20, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

What I've done for the moment can be seen (for example) here: Date = {{taken on|2018-04-27}} - EXIF data is West Coast US time, but that's even more ad hoc. I can't imagine I'm the only one who doesn't adjust the clock on a DSLR when I travel, so I believe that this would have come up many times. - Jmabel ! talk 15:02, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

what evidence would you use to adjust time? pictures of clock faces? inferences of gps difference? you are pursuing a form of exif precision, that is not widely shared around the world. good luck with that. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 15:27, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I believe Jmabel is asking what Jmabel can use to annotate photos that Jmabel has taken on Jmabel's camera where Jmabel is aware of the actual time difference. Seems to be a perfectly valid query. Storkk (talk) 15:59, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Storkk, for giving me credit (contra Slowking4) for possibly not being an idiot. Yes, that is precisely the case. - Jmabel ! talk 20:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I also purposely don't reset my DSLR time when traveling. I used to, but found that the occasional time one forgets makes it almost impossible to keep track of the correct actual time deltas when a trip involves multiple time zones. My solution (batch editing the Exif after the fact) doesn't scale well if you are doing it by hand. If you want to keep it machine-readable, maybe also tag photos with {{Invalid Exif date}}? Storkk (talk) 16:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I could do that, but it seems that when the exact discrepancy is known we ought to have a template for that. I am beginning to gather that we don't, and I'll probably create one. - Jmabel ! talk 20:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I leave my camera in UTC. In the Date field I convert it to local time and give the timezone explicitly. Adjusting the time on the camera would be easier, since it's generally just daylight savings changes for me these days. --ghouston (talk) 00:09, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I had to write my own template, Template:DTZ, to specify a time with a timezone. --ghouston (talk) 00:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

• On further thought, I'm probably not writing a template for this. I think the note I left on the times in the files meets my need for the moment; there several possible scenarios like this and I don't want to try to think through the general case. If there turns out to be an appropriate template, I'd be interested in hearing about it, though. - 04:44, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Photo challenge March Results

Spring: Entries • Votes • Scores

Rank	1	2	3
image
Title	A bird yearns for spring ( Rhineland Palatinate,Germany )	Schneeglöckchen in Hohndorf im Erzgebirge. Sachsen.	Apple orchard in Canton Thurgau, Switzerland
Author	AK-Bino	Kora27	GabrielleMerk
Score	19	18	14

Tunnels and Underpasses: Entries • Votes • Scores

Rank	1	2	3
image
Title	Metro Tunnel In TongXinLing Station, Shenzhen, China	Walking trail at Lago di Lucendro near the Gotthard Pass, Switzerland	University of Naples "Federico II", Italy.
Author	Sparktour	GabrielleMerk	Mark11000
Score	14	11	9

Congratulations to AK-Bino, Kora27 , Sparktour, GabrielleMerk and Mark11000. -- Jarekt (talk) 03:22, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

May 06

Category:Buildings named after automobile brands

Is this an acceptable category? If yes: Should buildings containing the brand names “Hyundai” or “Mitsubishi” be put into this category, if these refer to another branch of the respective conglomerate? I know, that these brand names are mainly associated with automobiles in the Western world, but also with many other industries in Asia. --84.61.221.211 15:37, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

• I guess it would be acceptable but, yes, cheabol and keiretsu make this complicated. I'd be interested in hearing from others as well on the advisability of this. - Jmabel ! talk 20:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I think that automobile dealerships/factories/manufacturer head offices should form subcategories. --84.61.221.211 07:27, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
    • If they are buildings directly associated with the companies' current business, then there should be a category for that (e.g Category:Mitsubishi Motors dealerships). I was thinking more of buildings like Seattle's Cadillac Hotel. - Jmabel ! talk 14:58, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

May 03

Is this the image of a person?

Hi, I am a researcher on machine translation (MT). Last April I collected all the image captions that were in both Basque and Spanish available in Wikimedia Commons (to create an MT system to translate captions of images in Commons). My final query was PSID 4220815 and I got 6.876 results. Thanks to Jeff G. ツ, Jean-Fred, and Speravir for their help. Now I would like to distinguish 11 different kinds of image (Person, HumanGroup, Place/Location, Institution, Building, AnimalPlant, Event/sport, History, Map/Icon, Culture, and Others). I think that information could be useful to increase translation quality.

I thought that extracting this new information from Wikimedia would be easy. But it is not so easy. Tknow wheter it is a person I added a new constraint to the query in Petscan: the Commons category (maximum depth of 5) to be "People" ([Query PSID 4346397]), but many of the 1492 results are not persons. Using a maximun depth of 3 ([Query PSID 4346796]) I get only 248 results, but again many of them are not persons.

Please, could anyone help me to find an automatic way to get that information in a reliable way? Has anybody ever tried to obtain that kind of information? Thanks Ksarasola (talk) 15:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ksarasola: sorry, it can't be done.. The category system is very broken. Commons:Structured data is supposed to fix it, but I'll believe it when I see it. You can search Wikidata instead for people and obtain linked images from there. That should be more reliable, but you will only get a small fraction of all pictures with people on them. - Alexis Jazz 19:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Commons category system is a folk taxonomy. Not every relation between a category and its parent is an "is-a" relationship. For example, a famous person's house would typically have that person as a parent category. For many human navigational purposes, this is actually quite useful, but it is not very useful for AIs. - Jmabel ! talk 22:59, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you,@Alexis Jazz: and @Jmabel: . Now, following our advice I am searching Wikidata, but indirectly. First, I take the titles of the Wikipedia pages where the image is used in Basque, Spanish and English. Second, I get the identifier in Wikidata for each page. Third among those concepts I select the concept that appears in most languages (Basque, Spanish an/or English). An finally I get its "instance-of" value in Wikidata. It is not perfect, but I get a result for 60% of the images and its quality is quite good. Thanks! Ksarasola (talk) 21:47, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

SVG Image does not upload

When trying to upload an SVG image I get:

"This file did not pass file verification"

It is a 10.4 MB SVG-file with correct SVG syntax displaying correctly with browser FIREFOX

First line: <svg height="1000" width="1600">

Last line </svg>

File name extension:

.svg

What is the problem?

Also Is there a utility to convert from SVG to GIF supporting files of this size (over 10 MB) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stamcose (talk • contribs) 09:59, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Can you try to add the following before opening <svg:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>

It is required according the the standard. Gone Postal (talk) 18:53, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

@Stamcose: It might be a misleading error message. Commons has a 10 MB limit on SVG files, so your upload may be blocked for size. See Commons:Maximum file size. Also, SVGs will be blocked if they have JavaScript or have particular entity definitions in an internal subset. Glrx (talk) 00:29, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Serious upload issues

I seem to be having some serious upload issues, that I am only having on this site and on no other site. Upload starts, but after uploading for a short period, it breaks up and "establishing secure connection" starts, then the upload restarts, runs for a little bit, and then I receive disconnected error. Nothing else on the internet does that for me. How would I go about trying to resolve this? Gone Postal (talk) 18:42, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

There are at least ten ways you could be uploading to Commons, from a half-dozen browsers running on a half-dozen different operating systems. I don't know how you're receiving these messages: does a tooltip say "establishing secure connection", does it redirect you to a page that says that? There's a possibility someone knows exactly what's happening, but that's lacking a lot of information we need to try and figure out what could be going on.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:25, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

you could try a ticket at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/search/query/FhvnbxXuL41a/#R -- if it is upload wizard, i would try Commons:VicuñaUploader, or old uploader [1]. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 03:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Slowking4. You helped a lot, I tried Commons:VicuñaUploader, and it worked. I need to get used to it a little bit, but for now it works fine. Be well and happy. Gone Postal (talk) 18:38, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

May 04

Category:Hip hop culture

Infobox for Category:Hip hop culture has a picture of 3 white men in a club in Germany, which to my eye would better illustrate cultural appropriation than hip hop culture. I'm not sure exactly how it is brought in -- there is no image in the associated wikidata item -- but I'd like to do what it takes to replace it with a more appropriate image, something more like File:Sundiata hip-hop 2007 - 11.jpg (which I took), but probably a technically better shot than that, which was taken with a little point-and-shoot. - Jmabel ! talk 20:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Category:Hip hop (Q7213842) has category's main topic (P301) pointing to hip hop culture (Q1132127), that's where the image is defined. It looks like it was added by @Andreas Bohnenstengel: in early 2017. Change it in the Wikidata entry, and it'll update both here and on the Catalan Wikipedia (at least). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:38, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look to see if I can find something better-quality than mine but along similar lines. - Jmabel ! talk 23:48, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

May 05

Hindutva swastikas

Some Hindutva organizations are responsible for the violence against Christians in India. If their logos contain swastikas, must they be tagged with {{Swastika}}? --84.61.221.211 11:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

That template is intended for swastikas in a national socialistic context. As long as those organizations don't identify with or allude to Nazi symbols, that template is unnecessary. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 11:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

No. German laws are irrelevant for these. --Fæ (talk) 11:25, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

If a German court bans such an organization for promoting violence against Christians in India, has their logo containing a swastika to be tagged with {{Swastika}}? --84.61.221.211 11:42, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

No. Good categorization is more relevant. --Fæ (talk) 11:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Fæ: I thought the whole point of that tag and Category:Nazi symbols status was to protect our German reusers from running afoul of German law.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 11:49, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Do not forget the Austrians, Jeff … . — Speravir – 21:56, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Speravir: What do the Austrians have to do with this?   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 23:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Jeff, it was more a (bad) joke with serious background: Not only German reusers have to be warned, but also from other countries, among them Austrians who often have to suffer from being counted as Germans. In consequence, some of them developed some inferiority complex and react bad to every kind of this collective mentioning. Oh my poor English – is this understandable? — Speravir – 23:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Speravir: I understand, but let us not fight WWII again. We all must deal with current laws and court decisions which affect where we live and travel.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 00:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Ehm, of course yes, Jeff. I did not at all have this intention! — Speravir – 00:07, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

If multiple files with logos of such organizations are eligible for Wikimedia Commons, should a restriction template for Hindutva swastikas be created? --84.61.221.211 11:50, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

As long as the symbol is not forbidden there is no need for this. Or for which reason should this in your opinion happen? — Speravir – 21:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

If there is a credible chance that a German court ruling or bill will prohibit display of such items, our German reusers should be careful. Only if their display will surely be prohibited should we commence templating and thus categorizing, per en:WP:CRYSTAL.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 23:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Some of these may already be prohibited in Germany, too. The relevant law (paragraph , sentence 2) prohibits also such symbols that can easily be confused with Nazi party symbols. De728631 (talk) 00:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Meh, cases please, not hypotheticals. There is a big difference between someone writing a Wikipedia article or researching (non-German) history and selling Nazi memorabilia teeshirts on eBay. Public safety has plenty of legal precedent, and it's true you can stab yourself repeatedly in the eye with a paper straw, that does not mean that all paper straws must have "danger, risk of blindness" on every straw. --Fæ (talk) 12:56, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

@Srittau, Fæ, Jeff G., and De728631: Not that we should be careless about this kind of topic and the hints may be useful in several cases, but note that this is once again an IP on a mission (I assume it’s always the same person), so we should be cautious (?) that we aren’t trolled and fall into some employment-creation measure (short ABM in German). BTW like here in the past the IP also was at least once very active on same time with the same topic in German Wikipedia. Cf. only these more or less recent threads: File:Barnstar Nazi.png …, Commons:Village pump/Archive/2018/04#File:Perkonkrusta karogs.svg, Commons:Village pump/Archive/2017/08#File names with swastikas (note especially Achim’s hint), Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/08/Category:卍 Bhutan. — Speravir – 01:27, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

I first had to search for – some links to dewiki: de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia/Archiv/2017/Woche 38#Dateien mit hierzulande unerwünschten Symbolen im Namen, de:Portal Diskussion:Wrestling#Dateinamen mit hierzulande äußerst unerwünschten Symbolen, de:Wikipedia:Administratoren/Anfragen/Archiv/2017/September#Präventivsperre für Lemmata, die eine Unicode-Swastika enthalten. And this time: de:Wikipedia:Auskunft/Archiv/2018/Woche 18#Raël-Symbol in DE (s)tra(f/g)bar?, de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia/Archiv/2018/Woche 18#Hindutva-Swastika. — Speravir – 01:54, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

identifying the subject of a photo?

I posted this comment on the talk pages of two photos, but they seem like they might be pretty low-traffic, so I thought I'd post it here, too: It was mentioned on the French Wikipedia that this photo and this photo aren't actually Yvonne de Bremond d'Ars, as the description here and at the source page says, but rather Suzy Solidor. A quick Google image search seems to confirm that the person in the photo is indeed Suzy Solidor and not Yvonne de Bremond d'Ars. Is there any way to confirm this? I'm not comfortable contradicting the source of the image based on my interpretation of some photos on Google, but I also don't want the description here to be wrong. -- Irn (talk) 14:46, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I think that you should ask Bibliothèque nationale de France to re-check their records. Ruslik (talk) 08:38, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Change your password

Today is a very good time to change your password. Yesterday saw an unexplained massive hike in automated attacks on Wikimedia accounts, over 2,500 failed account logins per hour. After several hours this appears to have stopped but could become a more regular occurrence. If your password is p@ssword, w1k1pedia or on this list, make the effort to change it. Other things you can do while you are at it:

1. Ensure email is set up in your preferences
2. Consider adding a committed identity code to your user page, if everything else fails, a steward can reset your password if one of these is on-wiki
3. If you are an administrator, set up two-factor authentication. Yes it's a drag, but it is the best form of defence. If you log in using free WiFi at the library or cafés, or go to edit-a-thons, consider this essential

For more information see today's email from the WMF about the incident. --Fæ (talk) 05:04, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Apparently they tried to hack my account today. I would really like to add a committed identity code to my user page, but the instructions are too limited for me to understand. My questions are:

1. hash string: what is my 'secret string'?
2. hash function: how am I required to produce the SHA-512 hash?
3. background CSS color of the box: may I make one up?
4. border CSS color of the box: may I make one up?

Although I am thankful for people who take the time to create these templates, it would be nice if the creators of such important templates, would encourage it's use, by adding a clear and simple instruction on how to use it. After all, it's about account security. Or perhaps I am just a bit dump when it comes to these matters. --oSeveno (talk) 11:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

• Your "secret string" is the identity you'd be committing to, like your name. Ideally it would be more than a name, if you want to keep the name secret, to avoid en:dictionary attacks. I suppose you can also think of it as a password. The hash can be produced by putting the secret string into the box at https://tools.wmflabs.org/text2hash/. I doubt that the colours matter much. --ghouston (talk) 12:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. So basically: My identity could be any text and/or random characters, which I enter at said text2hash tool. I then copy the hashed characters to the template, add any colors I may like to, and thats that? Should I then save my identity (text and/or random characters) somewhere on my PC or on a note somewhere, for verification purposes in case my account get's hacked? If that happens, where do I then contact a steward to reset my password? --oSeveno (talk) 12:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@OSeveno: Yes, you should save your identity with your important digital and physical documents. You can contact a Steward about getting hacked at M:SRM.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 12:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Question: If you get hacked and therefor you can not log in, are you allowed to post a message at M:SRM? --oSeveno (talk) 10:48, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

@OSeveno: Yes. Neither that page nor its talk page has ever been edit protected.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 14:25, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

(ec) Keep a private record of the string you used, which should have something in it unique to you, mine has my mobile number and a random string. If your account is stolen by password being reset, you would email a steward or email a project admin for advice. Having my mobile in my private string, means that a steward could confirm by SMS that I am the real person who set up the code. If you ever forget the private key, just generate a new one.

By the way, the template on Wikipedia has much better instructions, it may help to copy those over (in fact the Commons version was copied from the Wikipedia one in 2007, it just has not inherited the better documentation since then). See Template:Committed_identity --Fæ (talk) 13:55, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

WMF needs to deploy some editor friendly encryption, like key fobs for everyone. send the bill to youtube and facebook. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 12:25, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@OSeveno: I used the one required field, a SHA-512 hash generated by http://jssha.sourceforge.net/ (now https://caligatio.github.io/jsSHA/) in this edit, but you could also use https://tools.wmflabs.org/text2hash/. The colors are entirely optional.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 12:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

File:Genrikh Yagoda and Ida Averbakh 1922.jpg

It is used on the Wikipedia pages to illustrate articles about historical personalities. I have already indicated the problem with this file: the people pictured are not actual historical personalities. The information provided lists the antique shop as the source of the information where it is listed for sale: everyone can follow the link. Please advice whether it is proper use of the site, if not, how to deal with it?--Armenius vambery (talk) 06:45, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

• the people pictured are not actual historical personalities is a falsehood based on nothing. Sealle (talk) 14:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

The idea behind the "Source" is to have the reliable media which helps to identify the images (time and place) and allows other users to verify the information. For example Hitler picture taken from newspaper or the book is from the reliable source since the paper and the book both have the editor and the corrector behind. Everyone, can (at least in theory) find the book and the paper and check. In this case, the source is cited as antique shop. Is it reliable source? How it could be used for verification? Moreover, it apparently is inappropriate use of this site to sell the image. There are many other sites to do this.--Armenius vambery (talk) 15:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Armenius vambery: Yes, that seems to be a perfectly proper use of the site to me. Commons tries to stay out of content disputes, so as long as any Wikimedia project is using the file, we'll keep it. You could update the file description, for instance to add "Purported photo of...", if you think the status of the picture is unclear. --bjh21 (talk) 16:31, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

I just try to clarify. You think Wikipedia (encyclopedia) can be used to sell items through antique shop? Can I do the same? How the shop can be used to date and to verify historical information which happened according to the description in this case 96 years ago? How it is practically possible to do? There were discussions on Wikipedia pages related to historical personalities (e.g. Stalin talk page) and apparently the standards for information verification are much higher (min is reliable source). --Armenius vambery (talk) 03:23, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

The uploaded is perfectly aware what the reliable sources mean and discusses it on his talk page. As suggested above, I deleted this image from the English language page related to the historic personality with explanation as above on the talk page, then my revision was undone without any explanation. --Armenius vambery (talk) 05:32, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Armenius vambery: I said nothing about proper uses of Wikipedia, only about proper use of Commons. Commons and Wikipedia are different sites with different standards. If your edits are being reverted on Wikipedia, you'll have to solve that problem on Wikipedia, not here on Commons. --bjh21 (talk) 17:43, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Can an author change the licence of their work from a less to a more restrictive one?

A few days ago, while patrolling recent changes, I spotted an IP who had messed with licence templates. Obviously I reverted its changes. Later I found out that it had been the author: eg. Special:Diff/298762589. Is such a change possible, especially after a long period, like 4-7 years in case of these files? It creates legal traps. IMO we should not allow it. Besides, in this case, i.e. CC0 licence, in my opinion the author lost all his rights at the moment he had uploaded these files to Commons under this licence. Also I think that the issue should be clarified on COM:L – it only refers to copyrighted works: All copyrighted material on Commons (not in the public domain) must be licensed under a free license that specifically and irrevocably…. Pinging the author: @Gzen92. --jdx ^Re: 16:59, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jdx: No, such a change to a more restrictive license is not allowed. I support your clarification.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 17:03, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

• I've seen people try to do that enough times I support the clarification as well. Preferably with a new shortcut such as COM:DOESNTCHANGE or something to that effect would be nice. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 00:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

it is possible, but for an irrevocable license, we may not respect the change. however, the community may respect the change "if it was an honest mistake", in an abundance of AGF. see also Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2018/04#MSNBC -- Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 00:25, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

It is possible for the author/copyright holder to issue the work under a new, restrictive licence but that doesn't invalidate the previous irrevocable licence. E.g. works published under a CC licence will retain that licence and anyone who got a copy may redistribute it under the same free licence. I.e. for the purpose of Commons we do not accept such changes made years after the first licence was granted. "Honest mistakes" may be handled on a case-by-case basis though. De728631 (talk) 00:46, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

hello, I did not want to make controversy. I just wanted to harmonize for all my files with the same license. At first I made copied and pasted code other images (I did not know anything). Now with the import wizard, it's "cc-by-sa-4.0" by default. Cordially, Gzen92 ^[discuter] 03:05, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

asking a license question here is by definition a controversy, because everyone is above average, has an opinion, and is always right. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 21:57, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

What about licenses that don't say they are irrevocable, like {{Artistic}}, or the "fallback" license on {{PD-author}}? --ghouston (talk) 07:50, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

PD-author is not a licence, it's a statement that you are relinquishing all of the rights as a copyright holder; so it is irrevocable, unless you can claim that you didn't actually relinquish all the rights... which you clearly say you did. I don't know about Artistic. Gone Postal (talk) 13:56, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

revocable licenses are getting deleted; see also Commons:Requests for comment/Flickr and PD images; Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Copyheart; the community likes bright lines with dates. -- Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 22:02, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

May 07

Wikimedia Commons app: Allow users to browse Commons from app

Hello Everyone! I am Ujjwal Agrawal, third-year B.Tech. Undergraduate at Indian Institue of Technology (ISM), Dhanbad, and I've been selected for GSoC 2018. I have a keen interest in Android App development and I will be implementing a feature to browse/search the Wikimedia Commons Repository from Commons App <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T188597>, as a part of my intern program.

I’d like to thank my mentors Nicolas Raoul and Neslihan for giving me this wonderful opportunity!

Regards Ujjwal Agrawal Ujjwalagrawal17 (talk)

Good luck! :-) Info for everyone: The Commons mobile app can be downloaded at https://commons-app.github.io Syced (talk) 01:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

+1! --El Grafo (talk) 07:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

AdvancedSearch

From May 8, AdvancedSearch will be available as a beta feature in your wiki. The feature enhances the search page through an advanced parameters form and aims to make existing search options more visible and accessible for everyone. AdvancedSearch is a project by WMDE Technical Wishes. Everyone is invited to test the feature and we hope that it will serve you well in your work!

Birgit Müller (WMDE) 14:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Long term retention of Commons users

Highly active users 2015 to 2018

Good news everyone! The report User:Fæ/Userlist has been running since 2013 (with a break at the end of 2015 due to WMF table changes). Going through the last 1000 days of page history, I have cobbled together this chart of total users by month who have been active in each month and have over 10,000 edits to Commons.

The chart shows that the Wikimedia Commons community has a healthy retention rate of long term high volume contributors. Month on month more users break the 10,000 target and ever increasing numbers stay active. It would be interesting to compare this to similar stats on other projects. --Fæ (talk) 09:12, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for this info. It confirms somewhat that the community is a healthy place to be a part of. Its not perfect, but life rarely is anyway. Ofcourse, it doesn't tell us much about the composition of the community, but that was not your goal to find out. It would be nice to be able to see those kind of data combined. Nicely done! --oSeveno (talk) 10:09, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, that is interesting statistics. --Jarekt (talk) 01:48, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

That's certainly an interesting graph, but it doesn't have much to do with statistics. Please be careful with drawing conclusions from this. If you increase your population (people with >10k edits), then of course more will "stay active" in terms of total numbers, simply because there are more of them. Something like the fraction of high-volume contributors who stay active >x years would probably be more informative … --El Grafo (talk) 07:53, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Additionally, "edit count" isn't an ideal measure of activity, since for many that count is simply a measure of automated tool usage. So perhaps this only shows that usage of category-modification tools has increased year on year. For example, my edit count here is 17,114 none of them are automated, but I've been here actively 8 years. I'm sure there are some "highly active" people who have been here months and achieved that by shifting categories, etc. A real measure of user-activity would strip out automated and semi-automated edits (or collapse them to 1 per batch), and then probably need a lower threshold than 10,000. -- Colin (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Colin, I confess that applying basic street or monument categories with Cat-a-Lot wholesale to dozens of photos of, say, Category:Lisbon does feel like “cheating” in terms of effort — but (even) that kind of categorization does give some real value for the reuser community at large. On the other hand, a carefully crafted reply in a discussion, although much more demanding in effort and engagement from the user, is typically of much less use for the value of Commons in general. Therefore I’d like to complement your suggestion with mine: Lets consider only File and Category namespace edits in order to measure a user’s activity. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 00:40, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

The 1600 users from the graph have all made at least one edit in the past month. So users who stopped editing are already excluded from it. Strictly this is not the same as long term retention, but it's not really misleiding either. The number of highly active users did increase, but we don't know if those are the same users that were highly active years ago. Retention is not easy to measure anyway: I uploaded two photos 10 years ago, did very little for a long time and became much more active only recently. We also don't know why the number of highly active users went up: increased awareness of cat-a-lot for example could easily be responsible for something like that.

@Fæ: some users don't have a registration date, why? And I apparently registered in 2007 while GAM says 2008. But 2007 actually seems to be right as I have a welcome message from 2007! - Alexis Jazz 08:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

That's a GAM bug as commonswiki_p has your registration date at 2007-10-13 05:23:20. --Fæ (talk) 08:30, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

How to get the best images from a Wikimedia Commons category?

Reposting from Syced (talk)

Link: https://opendata.stackexchange.com/questions/12795/how-to-get-the-best-images-from-a-wikimedia-commons-category

Wikimedia Commons had tons of images of all qualities, sorted in categories.

The best images are sometimes awarded a "featured" badge, or a "quality" or "valued" badge. The majority of images have no badge at all.

Question: How to get the best images from a given category, including its sub-categories?

• Users will casually enter categories such as "Butterflies", which has hundreds of sub-categories containing tens of thousands of files. Despite this, the results must come within 10 seconds.
• The API has to be available online (95% uptime or best)
• Picture quality is readily available through the featured/quality/vales badges, but I am open to other objective and subjective quality measurements.
• Ideally, the API should return all images from in decreasing order of quality, with paging so that the data starts to come as fast as possible. Ujjwalagrawal17 (talk)|13:27, 8 May 2018

You mean Help:FastCCI? Wait, you said 95% uptime. - Alexis Jazz 14:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I believe User:Léna has done some research work around that.

Otherwise, FastCCI is probably your best bet right now. It’s often unavailable these days, but given how this tool is appreciated and used, this is something we should try to fix as a community (ie, not expecting Dschwen to do everything by himself :) )

Jean-Fred (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jean-Frédéric: https://github.com/Commonists/fastcci/issues (specifically https://github.com/Commonists/fastcci/issues/4), it's available but the script doesn't know that. - Alexis Jazz 18:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Was this nomination for a Little Free Library photo really idiotic?

The picture in question

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Street book exchange Little Free Library Bennett Park Hudson Heights Manhattan.jpg

In file history comment field, I misread "New York City. (Source: Little Free Library..." as "New York City. |Source=Little Free Library...". Because https://littlefreelibrary.org/gallery/ has many similar photos (and at least one, uploaded by another user, was also here) I started a DR. Even now that I know, because there are so many false "own work" claims here I find the text "Source: Little Free Library" in the description a bit confusing. But perhaps that's just my opinion. I wikified "Little Free Library" in the description and removed the (to me) confusing and now unneeded URL, which was swiftly undone by @Beyond My Ken: with this edit summary:

Undo revision 300024596 by Alexis Jazz (talk) Just because YOU got confused doesn;t mean anyone else will. Please don;t change my descriptions without good reason.

Seems a little hostile, but okay.. That's when I noticed his comment to the DR on his talk page:

"Idiotic nomination. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:35, 7 May 2018 (UTC)"

And he doubled down on that. I misread something (which was the direct cause for the nomination) and admitted that. But even without that I find the link potentially confusing. It seems to me like Beyond My Ken is overreacting, but I may be too involved to see this clearly. I'd like to hear from someone without bias for this case: was my nomination truly "idiotic" and "a dumb one"? Because if it actually was, I'd be willing to apologize for it and ask an admin to speedy keep it. - Alexis Jazz 07:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• I have no idea what "Source: Little Free Library" in the description is supposed to mean if that is not the source of the photo. - Jmabel ! talk 15:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• The source of the photo is clearly marked in the proper "Source" entry in the Information template as being my "Own work". The "(Source:xxx)" in the "Description" field is the source of the information in the description. I fail to see how that's in any way difficult to understand, especially since pretty much all 6000+ of my images use the same format, and not one single person has complained about it in the 13 years I've been here. I stand by what I said, and Alexis Jazz should be scolded for bringing such a trivial non-issue to VP. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• It's not so much this case as the way you responded to it that made me ask for opinions here:

Well, if you want to wait until your idiotic nomination (which it truly was, as you would realize if you were truthful with yourself) is closed normally, that's your business. My business is improving Commons and Wikipedia -- what's yours? BTW, I've been here since 2005, have 250,000 edits on en.wiki and 75,000 here, including over 6,000 uploads of my own. I don't need you to tell me how Wikipedia and Commons work. I certainly don't need someone who puts their own hurt feelings above the needs of the project to wag their finger at me. Your nomination was truly a dumb one, so this problem is all of your own making. Don't respond unless it is to tell me that you've withdrawn the nomination, that's all I'm interested in hearing from you. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:03, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

And now I should be scolded! All this because I misread something? Something that Jmabel agrees can be confusing even when not misread? If I hadn't misread it I would have probably just asked you about it on your talk page instead of starting a DR. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea máxima culpa. - Alexis Jazz 19:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it. We all make mistakes. The image will undoubtedly be kept, so there's no need for anyone to fret about having a DR open for a little while. clpo13_(talk) 20:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• It's hard to understand because it's the source of the information in the description. Clearly, in the description, "source" most naturally refers to the source of the thing being described. Baring that, it could refer to the source of the description or the source of the object in the image. Abbreviating "X of the ... in the ..." to X is unlikely not to be ambiguous, and "Cite:" would be much better.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• +1. And calling people idiots is inappropriate. - Jmabel ! talk 23:27, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

• Read again. The person wasn't called "idiotic", the nomination was. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

It would probably go a long way toward soothing ruffled feathers if Alexis Jazz withdrew the deletion request and everyone just walked away. World's Lamest Critic (talk) 03:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

As Pi.1415926535 has raised concerns over the artwork on the box (and the lack of FoP in the US), I couldn't withdraw it now anyway nor request a speedy keep for it. If Beyond My Ken hadn't undone my edit to the description and just generally been a little bit nicer this would have probably been resolved by now. Yes, Beyond My Ken has been quite careful to insult only my actions and try not to insult me as a person but I can't help but feel like he's holding a grudge against me. When I open a DR because I misread something (that was confusing anyway to begin with), calling that DR "idiotic" from the start is not going to make me try very hard to get a speedy keep for it. And to respond to one thing in the reply Beyond My Ken wisely removed:

"when you found out that you fucked up you should have apologized for fucking up"

I actually did: "@Beyond My Ken: my bad, in the file history I misread" (emphasis added). - Alexis Jazz 15:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Discussion on How to fetch the number/ percentage of reverted Uploads

I am working on adding a Feedback/Achievements module for the Commons app. I am facing difficulty extracting the number/percentage of uploaded images reverted. Is there any API that could be used to fetch the revert rate ?

Thanks ! :) -Tanvi Dadu — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 103.87.56.71 (talk) 09:36, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

What does reverted mean in this context? --Fæ (talk) 11:33, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for not being clear earlier, revert here means the deletion of images uploaded by the users. Is there any method or API to extract the number of the images deleted , uploaded by a particular user ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanu dadu (talk • contribs) 13:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I do not know of an easy way of doing this. A database query can show deleted uploads, this is an example. --Fæ (talk) 14:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I was going through the https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=query which is used for querying but I was unable to find the endpoint which could be used to extract the results. Is there any other way that query results can be fetched ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanu dadu (talk • contribs) 20:44, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

No, the API is not the right tool for this. --Fæ (talk) 07:28, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Will a notification (type 'Edit reverts') in case of deletion of uploaded image will be generated ? I am currently working on extracting the number by scraping notifications. Also is there any other way I might approach this problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanu dadu (talk • contribs) 09:31, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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{{Support}} & Co. is broken for languages other than English

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T193190

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T193414

Just look at English version and e.g. Polish version – the text should be in the same line as the image. I think it happened earlier today or yesterday. I don't know how to fix it. --jdx ^Re: 16:42, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

 Comment Yes, I noticed that yesterday, but I thought it was me. And English is broken too for me. Regards, Yann (talk) 16:50, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Indeed, I did "purge" and English version is broken too. --jdx ^Re: 17:05, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

The culprit is the <bdi> tag User:Zhuyifei1999/sandbox --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 17:10, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I gtg in a few minutes (and will probably be gone for a few hours). Can someone file a bug on Phabricator regarding bdi causing unexpected linebreaks? --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 17:13, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

This bug has existed for a few days. I actually tried to fix it in {{Vote keep}}, unsuccessfully. Sometimes those templates work, sometimes they don't. It seems that an extra <p> is added around the <img> element. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I noticed it too. When you  Keep you get it on one line, but on a new line without indentation:

 Keep it breaks. - Alexis Jazz 19:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I reported this already two weeks ago. It's being tracked at Phabricator but unfortunately the bug hasn't changed. It's good to know though, that other editors are experiencing this so it's not just limited to my browser. De728631 (talk) 19:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Even when it does not break, there are two blank spaces between the image and text, while only one nbsp is defined in the template. --HyperGaruda (talk) 19:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

 Support as very frustrating.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 21:07, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Apparently there is a new version of Tidy that is breaking links with bdi. It will not be fixed because Tidy will be replaced with Remex by the end of June. I had to remove bdi from the output of a navigation module as discussed here. Putting {{support}} at Special:ExpandTemplates shows it working correctly. I think that is because Tidy is not used for the output on that page. Johnuniq (talk) 00:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

May 10

Search Queries

I would like to know if there is a best way to do a search query.

I would like to search for images where "no attribution is required" on certain topics.

I tried using "no attribution required" and the topic name and nothing came up.

However, I know there are images as I have sought them through other searches.

I am just trying to come up with some established search query strings that will allow for the finding of images quickly and easily.

There are many images in wikimedia commons, however, I find them slow and tedious to search for and need to find an easier way as time is limited.

If anyone knows the answer to this, please indicate the best search query with some exact examples of how to do it (or several examples, as the case may be).

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 50.25.233.151 (talk) 03:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

The advanced search function has an option to return only PD files, but that seems broken to me, unless it’s just my obsolete browser: I get a mixture of all kinds of licence in the results. Maybe someone knows a workaround.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:14, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

You could add incategory:CC-Zero to the query. CC-Zero files are only a subset of all the no-attribution-required files on Commons, but there are still 2.5 million of them. --ghouston (talk) 04:38, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Issue for a filename I cannot upload

I made a request for help on Commons admins noticeboard a month ago, but it seems nobody can help... Does anyone has any idea how we can fix this? Thank you!! --Sailko (talk) 10:23, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

It has been fixed already. Ruslik (talk) 20:40, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Jmabel ! talk 23:14, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Commons Deletion Bot needs wikis

Commons Deletion Notification Bot is just about ready to go into production. The Wishlist team is looking for some wikis to interested in being early adopters. Local wikis would need someone who is "responsible" for the bot; all that will be needed is help reporting local problems if they happen. The bot will be running on Community Tech bot and the code will be hosted on either GitHub or Gerrit. Do you think you know of a wiki that is interested in running the bot? Do you know who might like to be responsible for it? Let me know and we'll make it happen. Thanks, happy editing. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:46, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Presumably the use case for this bot task was irrelevant for Wikimedia Commons itself, so ownership would not be "by" this project. The workflow does not make much sense for the way speedy deletion and deletion request best practice works on this project. --Fæ (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@Fæ: All true. I posted this here for those participating in Commons' local deletion process and how it interacts with other projects. If there's a better place for this, please do let me know. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Better places would be the local wiki bot noticeboards. A notice on the most likely different language Wikipedia Embassy pages would attract a more diverse set of interested bot writers than this VP alone can do. --Fæ (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Fear not, I'm not posting here alone. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:30, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Not to be a downer, but didn't we try this already (Commons:CommonsTicker) and the result was that despite what communities said they wanted, that nobody really cared all that much? Bawolff (talk) 22:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

It's mentioned in the Wishlist proposal but didn't seem to be a show stopper for the voters. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 22:58, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I think we will be interested in the Russian Wikivoyage, we suffer quite a lot from deletions on Commons.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

May 09

Tech News: 2018-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Wikimedia Commons mobile app has a new version. It is now easier to find nearby places that need pictures. It helps you with direct uploads and title and category suggestions. The app only works on Android phones. [2]

Problems

• The abuse filters had a problem with blocks where you had changed how long they last. It used the default length everywhere. This was in late April. Abuse filter users should make sure the right block length is used and change them if needed. This is only for filters where how long blocks last had been changed. [3]

Changes later this week

• The advanced search function beta feature will be on all Wikimedia wikis. It makes it easier to use some of the special search functions that most editors don't know exist. [4]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 May. It will be on all wikis from 10 May (calendar).

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• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 May at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
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Future changes

• All wikis with fewer than 100 high-priority linter errors in the main namespace will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 16 May. Other wikis will switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed on all wikis before July 2018. [5][6]

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16:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

HTML errors here

About this Tidy-to-Remex change:

One of the devs wrote this about Commons' unique HTML error patterns:

See https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/25693 for counts of linter issues for each of the 9 categories in the File (ns6), Gallery (ns0), and Template (ns10) namespaces.

The vast majority of html5-misnesting errors on commons seem to come from the use of the {{Lang}} template which uses a <span> tag to wrap content. However, it seems to be extremely common to pass content with paragraphs into the

{{{2}}}

template. Right now, this doesn't cause any visible rendering issues and could be ignored temporarily, but we strongly recommend fixing lang to use <div> or on pages which misuse {{Lang}} this way, replace use of {{Lang}} by creating a new template ({{Lang-block}} maybe?) that uses a <div> tag.

Switching lang from spans to divs should be an easy change. Could someone please find an admin to do this? It looks like a huge proportion of the Special:LintErrors would just go away when this happens (once the parsers have caught up with the template change).

If you're looking at Special:LintErrors and wondering how to repair millions of pages during the next ~six weeks, it's likely that a majority of this work could be automated (bot or AWB scripts). w:en:WT:CHECKWIKI might be a good place to ask for help. (Please ping me; I'm not keeping up with my watchlist.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:40, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

There is a pending request at Template talk:Lang#Add option to use div tag instead of span tag. Do you have a handy link summarizing the "why div is bad" (or even better, a WMF-tech directive to fix stuff)? DMacks (talk) 18:50, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I assume mw:Help:Extension:Linter/html5-misnesting is the relevant one? DMacks (talk) 18:52, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that's the relevant page. AIUI (i.e., not very well ;-)), span tags are defined in HTML5 as not being able to handle multiple paragraphs. I don't know why, or what implications that has for how the page displays in a typical web browser, but the devs tell me that it's inappropriate to use them that way. If you want to know more about this, then I suggest posting a question at mw:Help talk:Extension:Linter. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:49, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

That editrequest is done. Please ping me if any pages is broken by the change. I will start doing mass-null-edit on the affected pages. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 01:27, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope that it works as expected. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:49, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks User:Whatamidoing (WMF) and User:Zhuyifei1999. Please also note that there is the Special:LintErrors/deletable-table-tag. See this related relevant conversation. I am linking it here so everything is in one place in case there is something actionable there. SSastry (WMF) (talk) 20:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Notification of DMCA takedown demand - Canada--yukon--ivvavik-np--spe 3021

In compliance with the provisions of the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and at the instruction of the Wikimedia Foundation's legal counsel, one or more files have been deleted from Commons. Please note that this is an official action of the WMF office which should not be undone. If you have valid grounds for a counter-claim under the DMCA, please contact me. The takedown can be read here.

Affected file(s):

• File:Canada--yukon--ivvavik-np--spe_3021.jpg (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

To discuss this DMCA takedown, please go to COM:DMCA#Canada--yukon--ivvavik-np--spe 3021 Thank you! Joe Sutherland (WMF) (talk) 22:48, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

May 12

Category:Nephila inaurata

Can someone who's been keeping up with the latest on wikidata integration take a look at the recent change to Category:Nephila inaurata? I assume that using {{VNIW}} is correct, but in the process we lost English-language vernacular name Red-legged Golden Orb-web Spider, and I don't see where to edit in wikidata to get it back via the integration. - Jmabel ! talk 00:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

?? On {{VNIW}} I read this templare would be deprecated. In Wikidata on d:Q2197513 you should on top right see a string “edit” with a pen (OK, you should get this on all editable pages), where you could edit the language strings and aliases. I changed the English name for this species (and made it obviously myself wrong first). --Speravir 01:12, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! - Jmabel ! talk 03:18, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

(So it's pulling this from the "label", not from an overt "vernacular name" field. That's what threw me.) - Jmabel ! talk 03:20, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Category:Files with no machine-readable author

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T194465

Why do photographs with a {{Creator}} template, for example File:The Men, Yerevan - 2018-05-10 - Andy Mabbett - 01.jpg, show up in Category:Files with no machine-readable author? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:52, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194465 - Alexis Jazz 09:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: As internal link: phabricator:T194465 or short phab:T194465, or use the {{Tracked}} template as added above by me. --Speravir 00:54, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

you should really be using artwork template with an artist field, with a license for the sculpture, such as Template:FoP-Armenia. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 15:52, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Can templates have synonyms?

Can the template "wikidata infobox" have the synonym "infobox wikidata"? That way whichever way you remember the template it works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs)

• Without making any judgment on whether it is advisable in this case, it is technically possible by making a hard redirect. - Jmabel ! talk 15:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
• Yes, but please don't use that now, as the code that's adding the infoboxes won't know to look for it. {{Infobox Wikidata}} works, though. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

May 13

How can we save pictures from Flickr

The government of a Brazilian state, Pernambuco, has over 15k photos on Commons-compatible license at https://www.flickr.com/people/41472929@N03

I am trying to upload the pictures to commons before the site change to SmugMug, but the volume is too big for the tools I have access to. I would love to use something like the Upload Wizard but I don't have that privilege yet. Since Magnus' tool reaches API limits after ~300 pictures, that upload process will take me more time than I have free.

Maybe if an admin is available to help, that would be great.

Please let me know of other tools/methods to make this work more doable for a user like me.

Best regards, --Jonas AGX (talk) 17:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I am not trying to discourage your or others, but why it is important to download them before flickr changes to SmugMug?--Ymblanter (talk) 19:25, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jonas, as far as I know, most of theses are already on Commons! The most important thing is to first look at the real relevance of each picture/set of pictures and then properly find a category for the set. So, upload all of them will be not as easy as it seems, if you are planning to do it in the right way! ;) Regards, Sturm (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Also Do we need 15k images of government officials from Pernambuco? It might be better to upload carefully chosen hundred or two and categorize them well. --Jarekt (talk) 20:13, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

you could use commons:pattypan or Commons:GLAMwiki Toolset. but you should set up a mass upload page for detecting duplicates, and responding to feedback. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 21:47, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

With no description most of the work will categorising and adding descriptions to be usefull.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

May 08

Deletion Request for PD EU templates

Due to the high impact, I want to notify you that I started a deletion request for both both {{PD-anon-70-EU}} and {{PD-EU-no author disclosure}}: Commons:Deletion requests/Template:PD-anon-70-EU. Please discuss in the deletion request, not here. Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Help with ducks

Last week we wikitook a part of the province of Cuenca and we found that in El Acebrón ducks basically own a part of a street. So we took pictures (Category:Ducks in El Acebrón). I think that the species is quite common. Please, could you tell me the name? Thanks! B25es (talk) 15:16, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

My guess: Muscovy ducks --Magnus (talk) 15:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Viele Danke & muchas gracias! B25es (talk) 16:21, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Integration with google photos

Is it possible to have a plugin through which we can share media on our google photos account directly to wikimedia commons? Similar function was available for media on Picasa. Capankajsmilyo (talk) 01:19, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

License mysteries

I started a license check on old postcards and I found this one. Louis-Eugène Mouchon is mentioned as deceased in 1915. Very well, but of what was he the creator of? The poststamp? The handwritten text? (writing an adres down is not creative work). Or does it pertain to the front of the postcard? (not relevant in this case)Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:22, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Did you try reading the Wikipedia entry on Louis-Eugène Mouchon? Perhaps it will give you a hint. World's Lamest Critic (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I added the missing links and categories. Template 'Century decades navbox' does not seem to work for centuries before 2000. (see Category:Liège-Guillemins train station in the 1890s)Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

May 14

Old postcards check

I regularly come across pictures of old postcards uploaded as own work. I regularise these cases as far as I can with a more correct license. There must be a lot more of these cases. Is it posible to run a check script selecting the files with own license and having postcard categories or other identification as being a postcard. Most cases can be relicensed correctly. The most important criterium is that the postcards are old enough and be anonymous. Often the source is filled in as 'personal collection' or other similar terms. I add 'postcard' to the source item, if posible with the postcard publishing company name. 'Personal collection' is irrelevant for licensing purposes, but if the uploader wants to mention this, we should respect this and keep the mention.Smiley.toerist (talk) 10:56, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Category first

I have some technical perception - when I'm looking for "Abel Tasman National Park" for example, if is it possible for the category to be displayed at the beginning of searches? Currently this is a bit deprobate - I enter a phrase "Abel Tasman National Park" and I see only the photos, but not category... Tournasol7 (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

@Tournasol7: You can use the Advanced Search to just search for categories or prefix your search with "category:" without quotes.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 17:57, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Dynamic maps are now available on most Wikipedias. Labels on maps can also be in different languages.
• The new Advanced Search interface is now available as a Beta Feature on all wikis. This makes it easier to learn about and to use many of the powerful options in our search. Feedback is appreciated. [7]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 May. It will be on all wikis from 17 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• In the mobile view, warnings for when something is wrong with a page are not as clear as they should be. The developers are working on this. You can give feedback and suggestions.
• The developers are working on making the Wikipedia Android app available in more languages. You can give feedback, suggestions and help test it. Read more on mediawiki.org [8]

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22:22, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

interaction tool

https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py is designed to inform users when two or more contributors have made edits to the same file, article, whatever, sorting on material where mere minutes passed between the different contributors edits. It defaults to "enwiki", but I assumed it would work on the commons database, as well. However, it barfed when I replace "enwiki" with "commons". I didn't see any documentation. Google didn't help me find any either.

So, does this tool work on the commons database? If so, how does a user tell it to use the commons database instead of enwiki?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 23:10, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

The name to use for Commons is "commonswiki". --ghouston (talk) 23:30, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 13:43, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
• Hmmm. Doesn't barf. Doesn't generate any actual output either. Geo Swan (talk) 13:46, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps this will help? World's Lamest Critic (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

May 15

CommonsDelinker

User:CommonsDelinker doesn't make file replacements since May, 5. Why? Can somebody give some clue? --2A02:2168:1237:FF00:5940:3173:A590:1563 06:39, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

It has not processed User:CommonsDelinker/commands since this edit 09:21, 5 May 2018‎ (UTC). I reported that here.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 12:39, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

I think that Steinsplitter should be pinged on this one, but it seems that it has started to work again. --Ruthven (msg) 17:39, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Steinsplitter, COM:CDC is not updating. — regards, Revi 17:54, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Done. --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:15, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

May 11

Category 'on rail tracks'

This electrical unit in a electric substation can only be (re)moved on rails. Can this stil be classified as rail transport? It is on rail but the 'transport' element is very theoretical. But there are cranes moving on rails and other similar industrial objects moving on rails. I am not an expert on electrical technology. Can some classify this type of unit?Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:42, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist: I would certainly see this as an example of rail transport, even if it's not likely to be so transported often. In a similar way, shipping containers are often used for stationary storage (or buildings), but I think categorising them under transport is appropriate. Incidentally, it's a single-phase transformer, used to step down an extra-high voltage supply (110,000 volts according to OpenStreetMap) to the 15,000 volts needed by the railway. Of course, the fact that it's part of a railway power supply is another reason to file it under rail transport. --bjh21 (talk) 18:08, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

This one has even more railinfra.Smiley.toerist (talk) 23:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

I created a new category Moveable objects on rails.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:11, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

New QIC user script

This user script reduce considerably the complexity of the revision process and prevent any edit conflict and yes Now reviewing is something much more fun !!!. How use it? follow the next steps:

1. Edit your common.js
2. Add a line with importScript("User:The Photographer/QICvote.js");
3. Ready!! now you will see a combobox bellow for each thumb image on QIC
4. To vote simply select your votes/reviews/comments using the combobox
   
5. Add a review message
   
6. When you finish all your multiple reviews, now you can click the buttom "Confirm reviews"
   

It's posible convert it in a Gadget?. Thanks --The Photographer 00:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

I’ve put the <code></code> to the importscript so people knows what exactly to copypaste. Leaving gadget-fy to other tech-savvy admins. — regards, Revi 14:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks --The Photographer 04:38, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Seems to work quite well – that might indeed help motivating me to do some reviews there every one in a while. Thanks! --El Grafo (talk) 08:03, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done Gadgetification --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 00:42, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union's logo

I want the unofficial recreation of Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union's logo to be replaced with this legit, hi-res image file. JSH-alive (talk) 10:42, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

@JSH-alive: That's not directly possible, since the replacement is in JPEG format and the existing file is in SVG, so they have to have different names. In any case, they're substantially different colours. I think you should (copyright permitting) upload the official version under a different name and then edit any pages that you want to use the new file. --bjh21 (talk) 18:02, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

@Bjh21: Okay. I uploaded the file at the English Wikipedia (Wikipedia:en:File:Logo of the Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union.jpg). How do I make a formal request to transfer the file to the Commons? JSH-alive (talk) 16:19, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Retrieve and manipulate wikitext DOM

Hi folks, is there a tool with whom i can retrieve or generate a structured representation of the wikitext, something like DOM for HTML? So that i can easily access the used templates, their parameters, categories etc. In best case i would also be able to manipulate that wikitext DOM and write it back as plain wikitext. With such an abstraction the work of bots would be much easier and safer. Thanks in advance for any help in this direction, --Arnd (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

See mw:Parsoid. Ruslik (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Mass delete

I need to initiate the (speedy) deletion of a system of some hundred unused templates; whom should I ask how to prepare the request? Will it be a bot task? -- sarang♥사랑 16:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

• Could you be more specific about what you want removed? This is probably a perfectly good place to ask. - Jmabel ! talk 19:01, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

May 18

Expiration of upload related rights

I am considering writing a proposal for setting the expiration criteria for the following groups:

• Commons:Extended uploaders
• Commons:GWToolset users

If anyone knows of a previous agreement for an expiration criteria, a link would be appreciated.

For these groups, as they are connected to the user's uploads or experience with uploads, it seems to make sense if the user needed to re-apply for the group if they have done no uploads for an extended period. For example a user that has made no uploads to Wikimedia Commons for six months would seem to have no realistic need to keep their account in the Extended uploader's group. As getting access to the group again can happen very quickly based on a reasonable request and the user remaining in good standing, having the group predictably expire would cause nobody any special inconvenience and reduce the risk or perceived risks associated with leaving these special rights on lots of unused accounts.

For GWT there is more information at Commons:Bureaucrats' noticeboard#Expiration_of_GWT_group_memberships.

Thanks --Fæ (talk) 08:47, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

• What exactly is the downside of then continuing to have the privilege? - Jmabel ! talk 15:48, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jmabel: account credentials leak, account gets abused. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 16:54, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Same reasons that Commons:Administrators/De-adminship#Activity exists. --Fæ (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Rate limit is 90 edits per minute now, also for tools and gadgets

As I guess not everyone follows the proposals page, you may want to take a look at this as this change wasn't communicated in any way: Commons:Village pump/Proposals#Rate limit is at 90 edits per minute. Don't comment here, comment over there instead. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 11:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

What can the Wikidata community do to make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?

Dear all Over the past year or so I've been working quite a lot on Wikidata documentation and have been thinking more about the needs of different kinds of user. I feel that currently Wikidata can be difficult to understand (what it does, how to contribute, what issues there are and what is being done to address them etc) even for experienced Wikimedia project contributors. To help address this I've started an RFC to try and collate this information together. It would be really helpful if you could share your thoughts, especially if you find Wikidata hard to understand or confusing, you can just share your thoughts on the talk page and we will synthesize them into the main document. Requests for comment/Improving Wikidata documentation for different types of user Thanks very much John Cummings (talk) 12:54, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

@John Cummings: "What can the Wikidata community do to make it easier for Wikimedia contributors to understand Wikidata?"

Explain COM:Structured Data to us. (like we're five) - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 13:33, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Alexis Jazz: , this is very helpful, can please leave this on the talk page of the RFC? John Cummings (talk) 13:38, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Will do. (also: fixed your link) - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 13:50, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Translating {{Created with MetaPost}}

Hello everyone !

I recently tried to translate {{Created with MetaPost}} in french. I created {{Created with MetaPost/fr}} but I don't know how to translate "was created with". Can anyone help me, please ?

Cordially. --Niridya (talk) 16:25, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

May 19

Mass file move

Hello, please could somebody more proficient than me move the 34 files in category:Tower Hill Memorial that contain the typo "memorail"? They start at File:Merchant Navy Memorail - ceiling 01.jpg and end at File:Merchant Navy Memorail - view from north west 01.jpg. I'm assuming there's a way to do this en masse (VFC?) but I don't know how! Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: Perhelion has written a javascript tool that you can use: User:Perhelion/massrename.js Storkk (talk) 10:05, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: bjh21 (talk) 18:07, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Michigan Clark 55B?

I've two pictures of a Michigan Clark 55B loader (File:Villarejo de Fuentes 26.jpg and File:Villarejo de Fuentes 27.jpg). I'd like to open a category for the model but I don't know if the maker's name is Michigan and the model Clark 55B, or the maker is Michigan-Clark and the model is 55B, or Michigan-Clark 55B is the model name and the manufacturer is called something else. If any of you could take me out of my doubts it would be great. B25es (talk) 15:25, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

I've put them into Category:Clark vehicles for the time being but I don't know either where the Michigan brand comes into play. Google yields multiple results of Clark Michigan with or without dashes. De728631 (talk) 15:32, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Viele Danke & Muchas gracias! B25es (talk) 15:50, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Chatham House category merge

Is there a quick and easy way to merge Category:Files from Chatham House Flickr stream and Category:Photographs by Chatham House with verification that the Source is set to Flickr for files in Photographs by Chatham House? // sikander { talk } 20:24, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Are the latter also from Flickr? You could technically use cat-a-lot to move all files from one category into another, but I think that if you redirect one page to another that a bot will automatically do it. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:07, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

May 20

City archive of Kiel

To this theme I question in the German COM:FORUM#Stadtarchiv Kiel, but nobody answerd me. So I question here: Should we import them? Habitator terrae (talk) 15:08, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

• Yes, please!: I just entered "straßenbahn" into their search page. Lotsa good stuff there! -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 16:27, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Could I write them, that in the future they could upload their pictures directly to Commons? Habitator terrae (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I request for a batch upload: COM:BATCH#Kieler Stadtarchiv Habitator terrae (talk) 17:23, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Crop tool down?

It’s just me or https://tools.wmflabs.org/croptool/ is giving everybody 502 Bad Gateway error? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 15:52, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I have just tried to reach it several times, unsuccessfully. :-( --GRuban (talk) 16:01, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin and GRuban: Restarted.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 00:40, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

• @Jeff G. and Danmichaelo: Thanks! -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 00:48, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Wrong MIME type in audio files

A fellow contributor has recorded two MP3 audio files. When we try to upload the to Commons, they generate "File extension ".mp3" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (video/mp4)." error messages. I can open them in Audacity and VLC.

What causes the problem, and how can it be a) fixed (without re-saving from Audacity) and b) avoided in future? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:58, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

May 21

Can somebody please add this watchlist notice?

Please add this watchlist notice. Thank you. Ping me back. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:38, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Checkingfax: Some questions:

1. What is this
2. Why
3. How
4. Who are you
5. What's up with your sig
6. ..no that's about it.

- Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 07:10, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Cetegorization lost

With this deletion, a few hundred images lost its nexus linking to the subtree Category:Black and white photographs. How is this a good idea? (@DarwIn: ping!) -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: Hey, thanks for bringing this into the VP. I seem to recall from older threads here that only true "Black and white photographs" (intended to be black and white) should go under that tree, otherwise most of the 20th-century photographs (at least until the early 1970s) will fall there, which do not seem to contribute to the usability of those categories. Is that tree supposed to include *all* BW photographs? Even if it is, I can't see any use in including them into "BW photos of Portugal", then "BW photos of Portugal", as it just clutters those cats making them useless to someone trying to find photos intended to be BW (using that technique).-- Darwin ^Ahoy! 01:35, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

The lead of :Category:Black and white photographs says "This category and the subcategories are applied to all black-and-white photographs. This allows to identify easily B&W photos (as a media type)." Rmhermen (talk) 02:40, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@DarwIn: all black and white photos (intentional or not) should be in a black and white (sub)category. I suppose a seperate category for intentional black and white photos makes more sense for what you speak about, as a subcategory of black and white photos. Wouldn't be surprised if it already exists. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 07:15, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: @DarwIn: I put everything back in Category:20th-century black and white photographs of Lisbon. (when time passes this could become more difficult, so I did it now) I considered putting them in Category:20th-century black and white photographs of Portugal instead (which also contains nothing but old photographs that are not black and white on purpose), but failed to see the point. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 07:49, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

The ratelimit (which hasn't been reversed yet) FUCKED me. Please excuse me while I go scream at someone. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 07:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying that. I remember discussions from years ago where we should be avoiding placing "normal" photos under the BW tree, as it would simply duplicate the already existing tree (at least if subcats are used). But if this understanding has changed, that's perfectly OK with me. I'll start including that kind of cat in the (many) BW photos I use to upload.-- Darwin ^Ahoy! 12:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I still fear this kind of cats will be used as a kind of "visual bags" for easily collecting photos from more general cats, such as "Lisbon in the 20th-century", seriously damaging the proper curadory of those subjects. And once the photo has fallen there, if it has not been categorized before, to find it will be literally like finding needles in haystacks. I myself find this to be a too high risk for maintaining that kind of categories, especially when to me those BW subcats are basically useless. But if that's just me thinking this way, never mind.-- Darwin ^Ahoy! 12:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@DarwIn: What is "curadory"? I don't think I completely understand the issue. Per Commons:Categories: "The page (file, category) should be put in the most specific category/categories that fit(s) the page (not directly to its parent categories)". As I said above, a specific category for black and white photos that are black and white on purpose is a good idea if it doesn't exist already. You can also add files to a subcategory of Category:Undercategorised files of that's your concern. If your issue is something else, please elaborate. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 12:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: I mean curation. If you have 200 images to be sorted out in "Lisbon in the 20th-century", and then someone comes there and moves 190 of them to its subcat "20th-century black and white photographs of Lisbon", because they are BW and it's something very easily to do visually, that person has seriously damaged the process of proper curation of that content, in exchange to some rather pointless subcat about the photos being black and white, which is something almost nobody would care when they are looking for 20th-century material about Lisbon. That's what I mean: "20th-century black and white photographs of Lisbon", more than pointless, it's an hindrance.-- Darwin ^Ahoy! 12:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

WARNING: CAT-A-LOT IS BROKEN.

Cat-a-lot is broken until further notice. Do not categorize more than 89 files per minute.

If you try to do any more, cat-a-lot will say it succeeded but it really didn't. More than 89 categorizations simply means anything over that will be silently dropped.

If you are not an admin or bureaucrat, everything you categorized over 89 files per minute during the last week has been dropped. Oops. You may want to take another look at everything you thought you had categorized.

I'm sorry I didn't find out sooner. Then again, finding out is in no way my responsibility. VisualFileChange seems to stall and force the user to go get a cup of coffee before it automatically continues. I haven't tested any other tools. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 08:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

• This is seriously bad. What caused it? Who’ll fix? When? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 13:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
  • per phabricator:T194864 there is a patch in the pipes to fix this tomorrow between 1300 and 1400 UTC, though BWolff (WMF) implies it will be today on Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Rate_limit_is_at_90_edits_per_minute. Might be a good idea to keep this discussion to either of those places rather than to fork it here too. Storkk (talk) 13:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

By "silently dropped" you mean it simply removes the category, without moving it anywhere?-- Darwin ^Ahoy! 13:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@DarwIn: Given that this is because of new limits for how many edits one can make in a given time and removing one category and adding another in Cat-A-Lot is typically one edit per file: No, "silently dropped" means just "nothing happens". --El Grafo (talk) 13:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@El Grafo: Thanks, then it's not as bad as it could be. But still very annoying, indeed.-- Darwin ^Ahoy! 13:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Just FTR: should be fixed now with 900 edits per 3 minutes for autoconfirmed & 10500 per 3 minutes for Patrolled/autopatrolled/Image reviewer --El Grafo (talk) 07:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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External link archiving and back-up's on Wikimedia Commons

There is an ongoing discussion taking place to add bot-archiving to media files 📁 on Wikimedia Commons, as link rot is a serious issue I would like to invite everyone interested to give their 2¢.

Comments imported from the English Wikipedia.

"@Donald Trung: - my bot WaybackMedic can add archives (example). However, dead links need to be pre-marked, such as with a {{dead link}} template. The bot doesn't have a dead-link checker so it needs to know which link(s) on a page need saving. If Faebot can mark them, my bot can save them. -- GreenC 02:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@GreenC: that sounds good, can I ping Fæ and continue this conversation at the village pump of Wikimedia Commons? --Donald Trung (talk) 06:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC)"

@GreenC: , I moved the discussion here so it could be discussed and scrutinised by the community of Wikimedia Commons and helpful suggestions could be given by people who work with external links 🔗 every day. @Fæ: , as you're one of the most technical users on this wiki and your bot might have to be used. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 09:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I have tested for dead links, this is how Category:Uploads by Fæ with linkrot got populated (as a one-off) and it's how Category:Faebot analysed duplicates ready for review partly works to recommend which duplicate photos should be kept (runs every day). However it is read intensive as these either look at each image page's wikitext for urls, or use the pywikibot links query, which probably amounts to the same thing in processor or transaction times.

The obvious way to speed this up and make it apply across the whole of Commons, would be to use a local data dump of all wikitext pages from the files namespace, which then avoids lots of internet connections. A second step would be to "remember" which domains are returning 404 errors consistently, and skip checking these individually. This would save a huge amount of potential wait time, as returning 404 errors, or similar header messages, takes seconds each time.

Personally, I'm unsure about the case for this being a good use of bot-writing time. It also looks like the sort of "virtuous wikifairy behind-the-scenes" work that is worth getting a grant for, if only to help cover some obvious costs and avoid being personally out of pocket. Having a grant to contribute to, say, an additional terabyte drive, or cover a couple of months of higher broadband connection before migrating a working bot to the cloud, is somewhat more meaningful than a barnstar template or being mistaken for a paid WMF dev. --Fæ (talk) 09:39, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Fæ: Just to be perfectly clear: I assume you are aware dumps are publicly available for download? I'm not sure if you are, because if you were it would seem odd to refer to it the way you did. But I'm probably wrong. - Alexis Jazz ^{ping plz} 09:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes. For a long time dumps were not running, but seem to be regular at the moment. Fortunately pywikibot is written to be able to handle dumps with reasonable ease, so what works live can be adjusted to work with local dumps. In terms of volunteer time, getting it to work well/smart is more complex that it may first appear, especially if this is going to become a useful housekeeping task that is alert for new links being added to the collection and will regularly look back over the entire collection. A ~100MB dump may not seem large, but it is large if someone on a home broadband connection is sucking down fresh daily dumps as soon as they come out. If this is a cloud task, it may be possible to work this entirely differently, but that would need investigation unless there is a best practice established from Wikipedia (I have no idea, as I don't follow those projects, life's too short). --Fæ (talk) 10:01, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't really care about barnstarts or other things that "the community" sees as important, and I don't think that GreenC wants to do it to get money 💴. I personally care about content and how this content "ages" and a serious issue is future attribution and the discoverability of new content or context for future 🔮 historians. A major issue (with Flickr files at least) is that when licenses change other people might mistake free files for copyrighted. ArchiveBots preserve the source and remove any copyright ambiguity for future reference. I'm not sure how Wikipedia projects do it so it might be best to ping an actual Wikimedia employed developer and ask for their opinion on this, judging by many past posts on this page I'm well aware that the Wikimedia Commons village pump is on the watch list of at least a few dozen of them. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 10:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, three ways to retrieve wikitext: download the dump as mentioned (released about once monthly). Use the API (most common). Or connect to the database with SQL queries via a Tools account. The later is generally the fastest but requires running the program on WMF servers; not such a bad thing to be hosted on the same LAN and collocation as the Wikipedia servers. This is how IABot does it. IABot has a dead link checker (PHP) and it's available to download, but I can't say much about it as I don't PHP. You might ask Cyberpower678 about it if interested. Running a dead link checker on a regular basis is not trivial which is why I don't do it, there are a lot of issues to deal with (intermittent outages, paywalls, bot blockers, etc). -- GreenC (talk) 13:16, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I checked with Cyberpower678 and the dead link checker is https://github.com/wikimedia/DeadlinkChecker it is standalone PHP .. though some of the fail safe logic is built into IABot so it's not out of the box. CP also said IABot will get to Commons eventually. -- GreenC (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. As Cyberpower is paid for this work, there seems no point in asking unpaid volunteers to invest our time in it. I'll keep my focus on other projects. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

yeah - the eventualism is charming. maybe we need a wishlist, or summer or code to motivate implementation. linkrot is especially bad for auction website images. we need to model good archiving to maintain provenance and history. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 02:40, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Just because you don't have an obvious COI doesn't mean that It's not worth your time, I mean uploading from data banks is a lot more important, but most uploads you do are from external sources and having a bot that automatically archives them would be very handy, just because some other editors get paid doesn't mean that the rest of us should feel discouraged. Maybe there are other volunteers other than Fæ who think that this is worth their free time, or maybe we should get a paid COI user, but a Wikimedia employee or the sorts. A lot of sources on Wikipedia from articles that haven't been edited by human users in almost a decade are still checkable because of bot-archiving, sometimes when I click on "random" and check the sources for some old pictures I can't find the source, in fact millions of files on Wikimedia Commons originated from Google's Panoramio service which is now closed, it's a shame to think that future editors won't be able to access the information, or is it already too late for websites like Google's Panoramio? --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:02, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Just to confirm, I have no conflicts of interest or any conflicts of loyalty for anything I do here. If I did, they would be declared on my user page. It is a simple question of logic to direct my unpaid volunteer time in something that neither I nor someone else gets paid for. I am not against funding; funding to reprioritize my projects, or to cover some of my ongoing expenses of my hobby, would be super, as an upgrade in my kit this year would make quite a difference to my contributions. --Fæ (talk) 20:15, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Neither do I, but just a suggestion, wouldn't it be better for you to ask either the Wikimedia Foundation or the local chapter of the UK for a grant? Or maybe GreenC could get a grant for this project if it can't be fully done exclusively on the Wikimedia Foundation's servers. We're (almost) all volunteers here but there are (monetary) outlets willing to finance such endeavours. I would suggest otherwise asking GreenC to apply for a (minor) grant to help with his bot here on Wikimedia Commons. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:48, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

good luck with that. GWtool was not WMF funded, not vicuna nor pattypan. but by all means be project manager, and ask them to pay a stipend to GreenC (rapid grant less than 2000). you missed the window, starts up again June 30 m:Grants:Project/Rapid Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 02:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

ask them to pay a stipend to GreenC - to be clear, I am not requesting or seeking any monies from anybodies. -- GreenC (talk) 02:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot is endorsed by the WMF, funded by Internet Archives, and part of a project both the WMF and Internet Archives have a vested interest in.—cyberpower ^Chat_Hello! 03:04, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

the Internet Archive people are very nice, maybe we can poke them about extending their tool to other language wiki and commons. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 23:45, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

File:Cold War2-US+EU+allies vs Russia+China+allies.png

This map was removed from Wikipedia article w:Cold War II for content issues, like "original research". I would like to know what can be done about the map here. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 10:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

• Probably nothing, although you could tag it with {{Fact disputed}}. Commons doesn't have the same threshold against original research as the English-language Wikipedia. - Jmabel ! talk 16:16, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

i see they prefer File:Cold War Map 1980.svg don't see many references there either. meh, we have lots of superseded maps, it will make a good meta-history. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 23:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

May 23

Where to place yard category for ships

We have categories for ships built in a specific ship yard, i.e. Ships built at Bergen Mekaniske Verksted, Bergen. There seem to be no consistance about includinging the IMO categories in these categories, or the subcategory with the ship name(s). One ship can have pictures stored in 5 different subcategories as it has changed name, but the IMO category will be unique and never change as the IMO number follows the hull. We should agree about a standard here and then try to get a bot to implement this standard for all existing categories. --Cavernia (talk) 20:20, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

I partly agree. For the categories for ships built in a specific ship yard, and possibly some other things (?), it makes logically more sense to include the IMO categories in them, than the categories for the names of the ships, for the reason you mention. I am still not absolutely keen on it, though, because even though I know how the IMO number works, it kind of feels more "abstract" (for lack of a better word) to me to find the number IMO 9377016 than the name Fugro Saltire (ship, 2008) in Ships built at Bergen Mekaniske Verksted, Bergen. Don't know if that makes sense to anyone else than me... It is true that we lack consistance about this, and I probably won't protest too much if most others prefer to categorize the IMO numbers rather than the ship names in those cases. Blue Elf (talk) 21:14, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

I would also opt for placing the IMO numbers into a yard category for the reasons presented by Cavernia. The IMO categories are already used as a container for the various name categories of a ship, so it wouldn't make sense to place each name category into the same category. De728631 (talk) 21:02, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Remember that the categories will always then be a mix of numbers and names as IMO numbers have only recently been adopted and are also not required for all vessels. Rmhermen (talk) 04:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I understand the arguments from both sides, and I'm not sure what is the best solution, but it's obvious that the current categori structure is a confusing mix. --Cavernia (talk) 09:48, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

For non-experts looking at the yard category, the IMO numbers give no information. You have to click each to find the ships you are interested in. Instead (on in addition) having the names gets the same ship listed several times. I do not know which problem is bigger. --LPfi (talk) 12:09, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

May 17

Files with {{Creator}} in author/artist field fall into Category:Files with no machine-readable author

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T194465

As above, e.g. File:Vincent Van Gogh 0010.jpg or File:Zayapa (Grapsus grapsus), Cerro Brujo, isla de San Cristóbal, islas Galápagos, Ecuador, 2015-07-24, DD 151.JPG. I do not know how to fix it. --jdx ^Re: 06:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

• Why? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 11:20, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Setting up InputBox to preload a page to create a simple to use photo essay for Wiki Loves competitions

Update: I managed to work it out, I will try and improve the instructions to where they are simpler to follow.

Hi all

I know that Wiki Loves Africa and others have had great success with photo essays, but I've heard from organisers that it is very very time consuming to set up. I've had an idea for creating a much easier way to create photo essays using InputBox with a preloaded page which includes a nicely formatted gallery. The whole thing should work in Visual Editor which will make it much easier for new people to take part.

However I've got stuck with trying to make the preloaded page work. The instructions are not very clear to me. Could someone please take a look? All I want to happen is when you start a page using the Inputbox on User:John Cummings/WLE photo essay template it preloads the text from User:John Cummings/Template:WLE photo essay template, I know you use the 'preloadparams[]=' field but I can't make it work. Transcluding below so its easier to see whats what:

Page with InputBox

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• Create your photo essay by typing the title into the box below and click Create page.
  • Please upload your images before creating your photo essay.
  • Your photo essay will not be saved until you press Publish changes.

A list of all photo essays submitted can be found here

Example photo essays

Zanzibar seaweeds by user:Rachelclarareed

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  Zanzibar's seaweed growers face a changing climate. Here, a farmer tends to her farm in Paje, on the southeast coast of the island.
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  Mwanaisha Makame and Mashavu Rum, who have been farming seaweed on beautiful Zanzibar island for 20 years, wade through the low tide to their farm.
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  The seaweed grows underwater for 45 days. When it reaches one kilogram, the women pick it and dry it, then pack it in bags to be exported to countries like China, Korea and Vietnam. There, it's used in medicines and shampoos.
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  The farmers have a lot of problems due to climate change. Two decades ago, 450 seaweed farmers roamed Paje. Now, only about 150 farmers remain.
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  Mwanaisha holds up a healthy clump of seaweed. Then she holds up seaweed the farmers won't be able to use. A hard white substance grows on it - ice-ice disease, caused by higher ocean temperatures and intense sunlight.
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  The seaweed farmers learned how to make soap from their seaweed at the Zanzibar Seaweed Center, a business that started as an NGO in 2009. At their homes, they mix water, ground seaweed powder, coconut oil, caustic soda and essential oils in a large plastic tub.
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  Later in the week, the seaweed farmers will sell their finished soaps in Zanzibar town or to regular local customers. As seaweed levels decline, they have found a way to increase the value of their work.
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  The finished product - a bar of seaweed soap.

The Making of Thatch by User:Eric Atie

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  The creativity that comes with mud housing in rural areas is majorly in the art of it's roofing, of crafting thatch. With the continuous movement of development reaching far into these area, newer ways of doing things have been discovered, faster, reliable, more durable ways. Houses are now being raised with modern materials, and even the ones standing still in traditional clay and thatch are being refurbished with the fashionable cement blocks/metal roofing sheets. This progression has no doubt brought about a decline to the practice of traditional crafts such as thatching.
• 
  Mr. Bassey Ekpenyong, an indegene of Ito community in Cross-River state, Nigeria, calls me his friend in that manner that, as a stranger serving in his community under the National Youth Service Corp, makes me feel safe. He invites me to his shop at evening hours, and as he offers me roasted nuts, he makes a new promise to take me on his bike to the beach when the rains have stopped and the roads are accessible again.
• 
  It is on my return to Ito after a couple of weeks away that I first see him sitted in the shade outside of his shop, palm leaves littered all over. He sees the excitement register on my face a top the moving bike and signals that I return, as if to say "I have been waiting for you". And truly, he has.
• 
  He is making a new roof for his shop, he tells me. He wants me to make pictures. There are palm leaves all over, some tied up in a bunch, some lying underneath the sun, others thatched already and staked up in a pile. On his hands are two long,thinly carved sticks that would function as the skeletal frame for a pair of thatch.
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  He begins a new pair and laughs as he talk; a satisfaction that comes with the knowledge that he is creating for me yet another experience to take home when service is over. He makes a joke of it.
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  He folds a leaf in half neatly across both sticks. He does same for another leaf, lapping it with the previous, and then, with another thiny stick which he breaks afterwards, pins the the leaves in place, firm.
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  The process continues until the length of the sticks are fully covered in green palm leaves. He completes a pair of thatch in what takes minutes and begins another.
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  Mr. Bassey is a converser. He talks about the need for this change, a practice he does every five years as this is the durability period for the thatch. "Nfok nkaya" He says in Efik pointing to his shop behind, mud house with mat(thatch). He points to other houses around, including the ones made of clay but with metal roofing sheets and calls them "Ikanga" zinc dey up.
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  On other days, Mr Bassey is joined by his friends. They sit for long hours underneath the tree on their return from their various farms. They chat as they thatch, switching on occasion from Efik to English.
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  They craft at the same pace, with the same measure of skill, but what intrigues me the most is their fellowship in that shared space, a communion of banter and silence. How this silence descends on them as they craft only for it to be broken yet again with a thought, a story, a sigh - childhood friends who had all grown up in this same space and carried within themselves different experiences as they each sorted life out; some leaving only to return yet again.
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  Childhood friends thatching through time, memories into their palms, pinning them into that place of recollection, of regret, of conquests. Pinning them with the same laughter and voices that survived time.
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  When asked how and when they had learnt thatching, the story is the same for everyone. They throw back to a time when they were just kids, when Ito was only made of the traditional mud houses.
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  As kids, they had been taken along with other kids by The Contractor, an older member of the community who dealt in a sales of thatch, to the beach. There, they had, each person assigned to a bunch of palm leaves, made dozens of thatch. This contractor, in return had provide their meal for the day and bought them treats. He had, later, on completion of their work, also paid for their services to their mothers; money meant for their upkeep.
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  "We just sabi" Mr. Bassey tells me, explaining to me how he couldn't really pinpoint exactly how he had learnt. How, before then, in a society where almost everything used where hand-crafted, most of these skills children grew into, got used to just by seeing it being done on a daily basis, just by being a part of the home/society.
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  "Those wen no sabi wen we go beach go just sidon look those wen sabi, or, watch contractor do am and dem go sabi.
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  To Mr. Bassey this is more. It carries sentiments enough for him to brag about the metal roofing sheets he's kept lying waste in his house for years, enough sentiments for him to, in a time when the few thatched houses left are been broken down and then raised up in modern fashion, sit outside of his shop underneath the tree every five years, matting green leaves into thatch.
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  His shop, once his home, carries for him memories of events: of childhood adventures; of leaving and returning; of his late wife, of loss. Memories that make him. And thatching, this craft, this practice of maintenance is, in a fast paced world, for him the very means through which he holds time in his hands. The very means to which he laps these memories into a place of remembrance. The very means in which he shelters them.

Instructions

1. If you see code click the pencil icon, to switch to the Visual Editor).
2. Click on the image below, and click edit
3. Click Add new image
4. Add an image by pasting the filename into the box
5. Fill in the name description
6. Click Apply changes
7. Click Publish changes
8. Repeat until all images have been added
9. Remove the example image
10. Delete these instructions

By

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  Title: Description

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 11:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

 Comment stupid question: do we even have VisualEditor enabled anywhere on Commons by default? For me it's still listed among the beta features. Oh, and there is a checkbox "Enable the visual editor and the new wikitext mode in Structured Discussions" in the editing section of the preferences, but since we don't have "Structured Discussions" I have no idea what that does. --El Grafo (talk) 12:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, I just should have tried it: apparently it enables itself once you try to create a page using that box. --El Grafo (talk) 12:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

नगला भाट रूपसपुर शिकोहाबाद

हमारा गाँव शिकोहाबाद से चार किलोमीटर दूरी पर सतिथ है हमारे गाँव के प्रधान थे स्व श्री मुकुट सिंह यादव । हमारे यहाँ अभी फ़िलहाल पानी की समस्या नहीं हैं निकट भविष्य मैं पानी की कमी ज़रूर महसूस होगी

नगेन्द्र यादव पुत्र स्व श्री मुकुट सिंह यादव (ex प्रधान ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngndra52 (talk • contribs) 04:46, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I think that you have taken the metaphorical name of this page too literally. Best wishes to your village, anyway. Perhaps a Hindi speaker can explain.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:19, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

May 25

Blocking Account

Hello, I am working on a feature to allow the user to see that he/she is blocked from editing from within the mobile application (see the link below for the specific issue). In order to test that, I need the account Seannemann1234 to be blocked within the Beta environment, and I was directed here in order to accomplish this. Any help would be appreciated!

https://github.com/commons-app/apps-android-commons/issues/1511 — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.132.246.83 (talk) 03:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Assuming you mean the Commons beta cluster (there are numerous beta clusters) then you have to ask someone listed here. The beta cluster is technically a different project. Admins here don't have rights there unless specifically granted to them. --Majora (talk) 03:43, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

sure, done. — regards, Revi 15:32, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Bug in image history

Hello. Anyone know how to sort the bug on this file: File:Sabah State Legislative Assembly seating, 2018.svg. Notice the oldest version is showing as the current version. This is after a history merge. File a bug? Rehman 02:46, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Rehman: Works for me, cache issue?   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 02:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Hmm thats odd. I've even tried on a different computer. Are you sure you don't see the old version (11 May 2018) on top of the File history section? Rehman 03:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Fixed by User:Zhuyifei1999. Rehman 05:12, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Dating postcard

On the reverse of the non-posted postcard, there is the mention: Inland 1/2 d stamp, Foreign 1 d. I suppose this is one pence in the imperial money system. Does anyone know when these poststamp rates where applicable?Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

More information on Beanland Malin Vysotsky (talk) 11:55, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I now have dated it as pre WW I. Manualy colouring in pictures was nearly always done before WW I. Also it seems unlikely that the postcard would have been printed in Germany after WW I. 1 pence poststamp could also have been before inflation took hold after WW I.Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

W3C validator

Hi, I am working rather excessively with both validators. Since some time both seem to be buggy, they ignore the first line of coding and while one of them declares the code unckeckable and refuses to check , the other one checks at least for W3C-errors. With Rillkes "Edit SVG" the first line is present! Whom can such a bug be reported? -- sarang♥사랑 18:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what problems you are seeing, but the report should go to W3C. See "feedback" at the bottom of https://validator.w3.org/

Earlier today I went to File:Pump with tank pid en.svg and tried clicking on the link in "The source code of this SVG is valid." The effective link is

https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSpecial%3AFilepath%2FPump_with_tank_pid_en.svg&ss=1#source

It took me to the W3C validator, but the validator complained it could not run: "Sorry! This document cannot be checked." It gave the reason as:

External Checker not available

Checking the Document Type of this document requires the help of an external tool which was either not enabled in this validator, or is currently unavailable. Check in the validator's system configuration that HTML5 Validator is enabled and functional.

The error encountered was: 403 Forbidden

The file I was checking was SVG 1.0. I could tell the W3C validator to check it as a 1.0 file (which it would do) or to check it as an SVG 1.1 file (which it would also do but complain about version=1.0); that's done by specifying the DOCTYPE rather than using "detect automatically".

I believe the W3C checker passes some validation requests to the nu validator (which uses schemas and can do a better job), the "external checker". My guess is it tried to pass the check to https:validator.nu, and nu responded with a 403 (Forbiddden).

Trying a different file (SVG 1.1):

https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSpecial%3AFilepath%2FFirst_Ionization_Energy.svg&ss=1#source

Works with no problems.

A more direct link to W3C's nu is

https://validator.w3.org/nu/?showsource=yes&useragent=Validator.nu%2FLV+http%3A%2F%2Fvalidator.w3.org%2Fservices&acceptlanguage=&doc=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSpecial%3AFilepath%2FPump_with_tank_pid_en.svg

If I follow that link, the first line (the XML declaration) is not shown in the listing; instead there is a blank line. My file has standalone="no" in the XML declaration. If I use a 1.1 file, the nu validator shows the first line:

https://validator.w3.org/nu/?showsource=yes&useragent=Validator.nu%2FLV+http%3A%2F%2Fvalidator.w3.org%2Fservices&acceptlanguage=&doc=https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSpecial%3AFilepath%2FFirst_Ionization_Energy.svg

Maybe the checker is confused by SVG 1.0 or maybe standalone="no". What files give you trouble?

Glrx (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. As a matter of fact, all SVG files give the mentioned trouble. I tried to report as Bug 30257. -- sarang♥사랑 05:09, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

May 26

Movie publicity stills

I know there has been many discussions on this, but I could not locate one specific to my case.

I uploaded a picture at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jack_Benny_in_Buck_Benny_Rides_Again.jpg with the notation that it is marked as copyrighted in 1939. I searched the appropriate copyright renewals for 27, 28 and 29 years later finding no renewal. Is this sufficient evidence that the picture is now in the public domain?

It just so happens that the movie itself has also lapsed into the public domain, but I want to understand if searching the renewal records is sufficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwbuck11 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

• Generally so. Of course, someone could imaginably come along and prove you wrong. - Jmabel ! talk 04:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

File:Wiki platinum medal.png

Hello, could any expert image editor create a diamond or platinum version of File:Wiki gold medal.png? It is important for me. Thanks, Patriccck (talk) 19:25, 26 May 2018 (UTC) @Patriccck: Probably better asked at Commons:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop. - Jmabel ! talk 04:20, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Korean language and law help needed

Commons:Country specific consent requirements lacks guidelines with regards to South Korea, a cursary google search led me to blog posts (https://klawguru.com/2014/02/21/personality-rights-under-korean-law/ and https://pureumlawoffice.com/blog/dont-take-photo/) asserting that there is in fact an actual "rights to face" in Korea and suggesting that the relevant legal framework for such a right are articles 10 and 17 of the Korean constitution (https://elaw.klri.re.kr/eng_service/lawView.do?lang=ENG&hseq=1). If we were to take these blogs as being correct an outline for a guideline for South Korea would be i)consent needed to take a recognisable likeness of a person ii) consent needed to publish such a picture iii) consent needed to commercially exploit someones likeness. However, the onus in Korean law seems to be on the subject to actually have to actively protect their own likeness and if they can't be bothered to do so the law will not intervene.

Searching for actual caselaw leads to http://lexkorea.org/?p=839, which seems to contend that Korean law is at the moment undecided in this, and from which I infer that South Korea is in the process of awaiting the accumulation of sufficient legal precedents to inform future cases. However I am unable to read the Korean language legal references provided, and would be unable to interpert them even if I could do so. So can I ask anyone with the inclination and ability to do so to explore this further and write up a guideline. Thanks in advance.--KTo288 (talk) 19:52, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Stolen photo!

I have just found the file File:Meteor trail over Chelyabinsk.jpg that is obviously stolen from File:Chelyabinsk meteor trace 15-02-2013.jpg and improperly attributed. Please take necessary administrative actions. --ssr (talk) 22:51, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I've nominated it for deletion. --bjh21 (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the assistance! --ssr (talk) 23:44, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Neighbourhood vs Neighborhood

I have found some categories using the word "Neighbourhood" while it seems that the word choosed in Commons is "Neighborhood" (see here). I have seen that has been object of discussion (for instance here). Can you tell me where is the discussion whish has decided to use "Neighborhood" instead of "Neighbourhood". I notice that in the english WP, the term used is "Neighbourhood" ! Personaly, but I'm only French, I used to prefer "Neighbourhood" --Berdea (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I doubt there was a discussion. Category:Neighborhood was just there first. By about 4 and a half years actually. The English Wikipedia actually uses en:WP:ENGVAR. Which is basically "whatever's there first, stays". It is just easier than constantly fighting over something as trivial as spelling. You could always start a RfC to see the Commons community's opinion but I'm personally for sticking with the status quo in this situation. --Majora (talk) 23:20, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

May 27

Undeletion requests

hi, I wanted to ask for the restoration of some files of commons, which I had deleted in the past. I tried in more ways to make a request to COM: UNDEL ,,, but I deleted the requests without even submit them to the vote of the administrators, the name of this user is Глинистый сланец--Manwe11 (talk) 19:46, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

So, you are User:Глинистый сланец? Ruslik (talk) 20:49, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

yes--Manwe11 (talk) 11:21, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

If so, then you are evading your block now and your new account may be blocked at any time. Ruslik (talk) 20:08, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

May 22

What does "railway stations opened in" really mean?

I have found Category:TRA Taichung Station, Category:TRA Fengyuan Station, Category:TRA Daqing Station, Category:TRA Tanzi Station and Category:TRA Fengfu Station have been removed from the former "opened in 1905" or "opened in 1998", etc. categories, then added in Category:Railway stations opened in 2016, but as I know, Taichung Station is opened in 1905(Sorry for no English version). So what does "railway station opened in 2016" mean? The opening year for the whole station, or the year for the new station building, or sometimes the year for the station rebuilt?--そらみみ (talk) 01:33, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@そらみみ: It should mean when the ribbon was cut or passengers first embarked or disembarked there after construction, whichever came first. Who is making the dates later, and why?   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 01:48, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Thank you very much. I think that's the user who created categories for the former station buildings did these moves.--そらみみ (talk) 01:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@そらみみ: Am I doing anything wrong?--Kai3952 (talk) 04:37, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Kai3952: I have evidence showing that Taichung Station is opened in 1905, not 2016. The new station building completed in 2016 doesn’t mean this station opened in 2016.—そらみみ (talk) 04:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I know, you already said that. See: [9]. As Jeff explained, whichever came "first". Obviously, I misunderstood "opening date".--Kai3952 (talk) 05:05, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

•  Done The problem has been solved. See: "My changes from May 28".--Kai3952 (talk) 06:06, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@そらみみ and Kai3952: Of course, if you have enough files and data, you can make "railway stations reopened in" or "railway station buildings completed in" or "railway station buildings opened in" or "railway station buildings reopened in" or "railway station buildings rebuilt in" or ....   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 06:40, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks very much.そらみみ (talk) 07:30, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@そらみみ: You're welcome. Live long and prosper.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 15:19, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Multilingual caption designs for the file page

This past January the Structured Data on Commons team introduced multilingual captions, one of the first features that will be available. There was a discussion back then around designs for the Upload Wizard, which has lead to a prototype available for testing and feedback.

The draft designs for how multilingual captions will look and function on the file talk page are now up for review and feedback. The page contains a lot of visuals of how things might work, and the text may be technical in places. If you have some time to look at the pages and tell the team what you think or ask questions, I invite you to do so. Thanks. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

• What about for Special:Upload. Will there be some sort of de-serialization available to allow that to remain text-based? - Jmabel ! talk 19:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Hello. Could you expand a bit on what you'd like to see? Perhaps something like Quick Statements for Wikidata, but in a Special: Upload form? RIsler (WMF) (talk) 23:38, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
    • At the recent Wikimedia Conference, there was discussion of being able to maintain the text-based workflows that are common among experienced users. Basically, at present we frequently go to an existing file page, select "edit", copy, paste into Special:Upload, select a different (but similar) photo, edit the pasted text to make small changes, and upload. As I understood the upshot of the discussions at the conference, there are two reasonable choices:
      1. maintain the same workflow using serialization of the data for the existing photo and, upon upload, an inverse deserialization of the input in Special:Upload (or its equivalent/replacement).
      2. If Special:Upload (or its equivalent/replacement) no longer can simply use a single block of text, we need to be able to specify that existing file page to Special:Upload (or its equivalent/replacement) and have Special:Upload (or its equivalent/replacement) pre-populate accordingly. - Jmabel ! talk 00:49, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
      • Okay. Thanks for providing more detail. At present, we're still figuring out the fate of Special:Upload with structured data. It could stay largely the same, have enhancements, or there may be a replacement. Preliminary work suggests that something like #2 of the options you presented above might be the way we go, but we'll know more in the near future as we prep plans to launch. Nothing for this form is etched in stone yet, so feedback/questions like this are helpful. Thanks again. RIsler (WMF) (talk) 01:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
        • I - as with many users - absolutely need the ability to upload entirely as plaintext. Even Jmabel's #2 is not a sufficient replacement for that ability - I copy-paste from a .txt file rather than an existing file. I cannot how emphasize how vital it is not to lose existing features while adding new ones. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• Same here. The changes as proposed will drive me away from Commons, probably from any WMF project. I’m sure I’m not the only one. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 05:34, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • How about this: For Special:Upload, you paste the structured json right in the text field, and the server recognizes it as json representation of structured data and deserializes it. Then each file description page needs an export view allowing you to grab the existing json. Basically, that would just be a very dumbed down version of Special:ApiSandbox. If Special:upload is replaced (which seems like a totally reasonable idea to me), there could be a Special:Upload/raw, similar to how we have for the watchlist. Seems doable to me, right RIsler? —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 06:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
    • That is along the lines of my serialization/deserialization idea. But we'd need to see specifics to know whether any particular solution is going to work.
    • In case this is unclear to anyone: Pi.1415926535, Tuválkin, and I all upload a lot of images to Commons, mostly our own original photos, and I think our workflow using Special:Upload is common to many of the contributors who do just that. I don't think I am overstating things to say that it is necessary a workflow along these lines is accommodated. If we break the workflow for many of Commons most active contributors without providing something at least very similar, this will be a big problem and will drive away some very important contributors. - Jmabel ! talk 06:56, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

No worrise, it's clear, and as far as I know there's no discussion about breaking yours or anyone else's workflow. This post relates to a modification to the UploadWizard, it doesn't touch Special:Upload, and how to work with multilingual captions on the file page. Those are the specific things that are being worked on right now. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• You’re saying that it is not workflow breaking when you want us to paste as JSON what we are used to paste as wikitext? Since when "power user" means "IT guru"? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 16:08, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

  That certainly is workflow breaking.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 16:47, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

• What I am saying is that we are not even actually discussing Special:Upload right now. That's not the topic at hand, it's not something that the Multimedia team is planning on working on any time soon. Special:Upload was brought up tangentially to Multilingual Captions. @Tuvalkin: you said that I/we (the WMF) said that, paraphrasing, "we want you to paste JSON what you used to paste as wikitext." Reading the discussion I see that brought up by TheDJ as a potential vision for the future, but not by myself or Ramsey, and certainly nothing that has to do with the here-and-now. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 04:09, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• @Keegan (WMF): Does that mean that you will leave Special:Upload alone as it is? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 13:27, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• I cannot make that promise because someone at some point in the future will have work on Special:Upload or it will die, plain and simple. It cannot live forever as it is. However, there is no work being done on it now, and there is no work being planned for it in the immediate future. As the product manager says above, "At present, we're still figuring out the fate of Special:Upload with structured data. It could stay largely the same, have enhancements, or there may be a replacement. Preliminary work suggests that something like #2 of the options you presented above might be the way we go, but we'll know more in the near future as we prep plans to launch." If or when Special:Upload is being worked on, the entire Commons community will know about it and be involved from start to finish. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 15:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• Still, do I understand correctly that if a file has this data, there will be no way to copy text from the 'edit' mode of the file page for that page, paste that text in Special:Upload (or, for that matter, somewhere else_, select a file to upload, make minor edits to the text, and upload? Because if I understand correctly, then I believe that while Special:Upload as such may not be broken, a common workflow is broken. - Jmabel ! talk 17:02, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• @Jmabel: Files do not already have the multilingual caption data, captions have to (as of right now) be manually entered while uploading in the UploadWizard, or afterwards on the File page. Each file would have to have a manual copy and paste either during or after upload. Since this is not currently a part of the workflow for UploadWizard or Special:Upload, it's an extra step that will be fit in for either process. In the case of Special:Upload, it will be after the file is uploaded. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• @Keegan (WMF): I think you misunderstand me, but perhaps I'm the one confused. Right now, when we do the workflow I've described above, all information related to the file we use as a template ends up also applied to the file we upload. It sounds to me like (absent the sort of serialization/deserialization I've suggested as one possibility) this will not be true for captions. That is, if you faithfully copy all of the text from the 'edit' mode of the file page, paste it, and upload, you will not be copying the captions. - Jmabel ! talk 23:27, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• Ah, I see. It is correct that captions will not be able to be added in the manner that you describe, at least not at first. As RIsler (WMF) says, figuring out what to do with Special:Upload in relation to structured data is still being thought out. The inclusion of captions in the UploadWizard and editable on the file page is an initial feature release, not the last for structured data. Something will be worked out to accommodate the workflow that you describe while maintaining the integrity of how you do what you do already, again as RIsler (WMF) says. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:11, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

• Keegan (WMF), that’s not what code rot means. But thanks for making clear that things are exactly as bad as I fear and that gloom(ier) days are ahead. I hope you have a nice narrative to explain yourself how you distroyed Wikimedia back in the 2010s, the last days of the free web. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 17:47, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

My presumption is that none of the suggestions will interfere with the current API based upload processes, such as Pywikibot. If they might, please flag me and I'll do some research as it could stop my upload projects. --Fæ (talk) 07:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• @Fæ: , are use saying that because Pywikibot will presumably be OK, we should not be concerned about Special:Upload, or are you raising a separate issue? Because if the former, this seems like a non sequitur. - Jmabel ! talk 16:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

On recent times I've been trying to use more the UploadWizard instead of the basic form, but the UW is still very limited and unpractical for many uploads. I concur with everyone here saying that it should be left as it is, for me as well it is an essential tool for uploading.-- Darwin ^Ahoy! 09:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• @DarwIn: re: "it should be left as it is", do you mean Special:Upload, or something else? As I understand it, Special:Upload inevitably will change in some respect if descriptions are no longer simple text; the issue is to keep it usable at all. - Jmabel ! talk 16:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• @Jmabel: Hey! Yes, it's exactly that form. By "left as it is" I meant left usable, indeed, as you said.-- Darwin ^Ahoy! 16:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• @Fæ: your presumptions are correct, and if things should ever change I'll certainly be in touch with you. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 16:33, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
• @Keegan (WMF): Hello, I agree with my colleagues, I often use this tool that works with Special:Upload, I assume I'm not alone, and I will be worry/disappointed if something is broken. Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 18:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Christian Ferrer: You are not alone.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 16:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@Christian Ferrer and Jeff G.: Out of curiosity: Do you use this tool mainly for Flickr, and if so, is there any feature that would not be covered by more modern tools like Commons:Upload_Wizard/Flickr or flickr2commons?

In case of the other image repositories, assuming that the transfer functionality would be replicated without the « copy/paste text in Special:Upload » step (either by adapting the tool, or making a new one), would your use-case be covered?

Thanks :) Jean-Fred (talk) 19:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

• Jean-Fred I already tried flickr2commons for Flickr images and I am rather satisfied, I never tried Commons:Upload_Wizard/Flickr. But I use Flinfo to upload images from mushroomobserver, example. The tool firstly say if the image have already been uploaded, it offers you categories for places, but more importantly fungi species categories, and when the category is a redirect (for synonym species names) it offers you the right category. It formats the information, source link, author link and name, ect... with the appropriate templates. To answer you question, yes the « copy/paste text in Special:Upload » step is not primordial in itself, and I will be happy as well if a new tool is created or this one adapted. Currently I upload every days images from mushroomobserver, but without the tool (or without a tool that helps me at least the same way), I would likely not do it. Christian Ferrer ^(talk) 20:30, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Christian Ferrer: Thanks for your answer, I understand better now. Sounds like the tool does much more than what I thought initially. I agree a replacement would be necessary. Cheers, Jean-Fred (talk) 07:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

May 24

Images of text needing transcription

Some images of text are transcribed on the page and others are not. Is there a tag or a category that can be added to distinguish the two? For instance there are hundreds of historical New York Times articles here, mostly obituaries. I know Wikisource is the place for texts, but they only accept notable texts and they do not allow annotations or links to Wikipedia. RAN (talk) 00:51, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I think {{Transcribe here}} does what you want; related category Category:Needing transcription. --ghouston (talk) 01:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks!

When you spot a broken XCF file…

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T196054

…make sure it is really broken before deleting it or nominating it for deletion. --jdx ^Re: 10:06, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Button text appearing in random languages?

Has anybody else noticed weirdness in button label text? Specifically, after a non-English-language user signs a page with a button that has a text label, the label occasionally appears translated into that language to me. Both logged in and not logged in, in both Firefox and Chrome. We don't have that many buttons labelled with text, so it might not have shown up too often (or been noticed when it did), but I can think of no way at all this could even happen. If it has happened to you, or you notice it happening in the future, could you please post the diff to Phabricator:T194815? Thanks, Storkk (talk) 16:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)